Please can we leave Lavine alone unless Bulls want to give us picks?! It's a TERRIBLE contract for a player who, whilst no doubt awesome, has had availability issues and (more importantly) is an archetype we probably need least.
@samuelpetit6183 So we're tearing it down then? For Lavine? The issue is that as currently constructed (LBJ and AD as our main two) AR is better for us than Lavine. Also, Lavine is a one way player (same as AR), more injury prone, AND has a horrendous contract! Tell me who stays if we get Lavine, coz the idea that he, LBJ and AD all stay healthy whilst all playing 38+ every night is fantasy bro 🤷
💯‼️ anyone who wants this should be banned from watching basketball. Terrible contract and our offense is trash when Austin isn’t facilitating next to bron.
@@samuelpetit6183he’s on a terrible contract and is not a #1. $30mill sure…. But no one has traded for him for a reason, we don’t need to be the morons that do it.
This is a scoring league. They are too skilled to fully stop someone. They might make it tough a little bit. But unless they are like Jaylen brown you better go with someone that can score.
The criticism was from the Pistons game, where he got bullied and 💩 the bed. GSW don’t have the players to bully AR and he played great and helped us win the game. Most AR fans purposefully never criticize him and talk about his successes. He also needs to this versus elite teams and he hasn’t done that this season, yet.
@@ThrifterGuyhow can you get hurt if you don’t play hard lol go look at that angle too he’s only asked to score simply because he can’t and won’t do anything else and he spends most of his time jacking jumpers not driving can’t knock lonzo for hustling and getting injured and the other guy barely gives effort
@ I’m saying tho he’s not there because he plays hard overs is a mf when he not shooting good literally looks like shit basically saying it’s impossible to be hurt if you not doing shit I’d make the trade for lonzo and lavine and get a cheap center that is big
@@kimstewart1204 bro thats why your in your moms basement not making calls cause you have no idea what your talking about.. AR-15 wad the reason we took the W in golden state
4:08 I’d 100% trade DLo for Lonzo. One thing we know AD needs to be successful is a floor general PG. I’m done with the DLo experience. It’s too inconsistent for me and I’m over it.
This is crazy. You have Lavine a All star one the most athletic players in the league. Who can drop 50 on any night. Then you have Reeves a role player. Who is one of the least athletic players in the league. Who is inconsistent and terrible on defense. You really want to watch teams target him defense for the next 5 or maybe even 10 years. If you want to win make the trade.
Lakers are crazy. They literally wasted 2-3 years of Lebron and healthy Davis years. Not wanting to trade Austin. Nuts. Turner, Lavine, kirie etc could have all been a laker and increased their odds. Oh well
Lavine is terrible on defense . You could argue that if you trade Austin Reeves ,DLo and Rui your already going from 3 bad defenders to 1 guy who you can surround with good defenders .
Yeah but that doesn't undermine the baggage that comes with Lavine's contract Trevor seems enamored with Lavine and talks about him in a way that suggests he's putting up crazy numbers, even as he cites his numbers. His percentages are excellent... but his averages are just good, borderline all star/all star if the team is winning at a high clip numbers.
@@stmikhailhe’s 26 he’s definitely reached his ceiling and I actually think he benefits from playing with AD and Lebron I think when he handles the ball the most we see him turn the ball over and make wild plays and shoot inconsistently at times
Yeah, that's why Chicago are winning everything..... lavine is not going anywhere but to a rebuilding franchise he's a 3rd best kind of player on a no1 option contract. Ingram would be so much a better fit but I think he will even be to pricey. Vucevic could be usefull on the other hand.
Only way the Lakers make the trade is if they give us a couple of 1st rounders. That contract is so bad the lakers would need to be compensated heavily for helping them clear that cap space.
Dude is earning the same as Doncic this year that just puts into perspective how overpaid this guy is. Would’ve been a great trade if we still had Russ on the books but def not worth all the pieces we gotta give up
@@trevorbunbury23 just shut your mouth and stay in your moms basement your opinion doesnt matter lol.. you obviously dont understand how contracts/ finances work
Austin Reaves is a solid player but damn can we stop acting like this man is a untouchable superstar, Lavine is heads and shoulders better than Austin Reaves, I get the contract sucks but Reaves shouldn’t be a hold up for any player that can give you 25 points a game
@@marloncarlloquias he actually doesn’t fit as well as you would think, honestly he’s too much of a tweener and because of that his best role is 6th man
Nothing to talk about here really. Even $30M/year for the third option is barely manageable, $45M - unreal. AR, despite his flaws, is team-friendly and reliable. And variance in his performance is very low, you can pencil him out for 15+5+4 a night, which is a great kick-for-buck.
@@dariusewing6962 AR15 is never scared! He brings 1.5 pts/$1M salary (17.5 pts/$12.5M). Lavine gives 0.5pts/$1M (22 pts/$45M). I take Reaves over Lavine any day.
Any significant trade scenario where Lakers get an all star, will have to include Reeves, if Rob says no to that, then we will never have a deal done. At least make the smaller moves please, we need a big man and a two way wing!!
Make the trade! Lavine is the easiest trade to get done and Lavine gives us the greatest upside. No one will care ablout that contract if we win a title
The thing that I always noticed with the Bulls over the past few seasons is that they seemed to start winning more when Lavine was out with his many injuries. Seems like the type of player where the Bulls would have to GIVE a pick for someone to take that contract off their hands.
I would trade AR for Lavine and Ayo easily. Ayo is a better option at the one and Lavine a better option at the 2. Adding two athletic guards, with greater consistency. Not trading AR without Ayo in the deal however and personally I would prefer to keep AR as a 6th man.
Its not AR for Levine. Thats the problem. It's AR, possibly Rui, Vando, Dlo. To get to Levines 43 mil it's going to take 3 or 4 players. And we are already extremely thin on the wing.
@@ThrifterGuy I’m aware of the math. Dlo, Rui, AR, JHS, Hayes gets you to 55 mil. Lavine, Ayo, Craig is 53 mil. 2 spot and 2 mil to work with for now. THT is non guaranteed till mid Jan so the Bulls have an option to open a slot without losing that money or a third team. Ayo, Lavine and Craig are all good enough to start or you can play Max at the 3 until Vando is healthy, or make an additional move. A three team trade with Charlotte for example where you bring in Nick Richards and Cody Martin (13 mil) could work by simply adding Gabe in. It’s may not be better than trading for say Cam Johnson and pieces but it will likely require more assets. Btw, DFS, Cam, Sharpe is also 47 mil. Bruce Brown, Jonas, Kuzma is 56 mil. All big trades require sending a lot of the same pieces out. Picks and young assets aside.
@@bebes-q2t yea but doesn’t play D and wouldn’t fit right and way too expensive we would have to give up way too much.. would put us father back than forward..
Everyone knows how I feel about Reaves…he’s the best trade chip the Lakers have, if we plan to get better he’s gotta be available to move in the right situation.
@@salvatorfarms6811 then understand that Zach isnt going to help la it puts us back we just need a big… all you see is ppg stats.. theres more to this game than ppg stats lol..
Hell no. Give up one of your best players and contracts for an overpaid player nobody wants? They should be offering the lakers picks to unload that nasty hefty contract. Just another example of teams thinking they can fleece the Lakers.
We are not winning anything with AR as our third best player the sooner people come to this realization the better, Lavine is an upgrade and will make us a clear contender. DO IT!!!!
Lonzo doesn't play for three years and now that his contract is up, he's healthy again. lol It's unbelievable some stupid GM will sign him. As far as Lavine, has he even had one year where he isn't injured? His knees are as bad as Lonzo's. Both guys suck and the Lakers are stupid to even think of taking them.
Lavine in 1 game against the Pistons Zach LaVine's 16 fourth-quarter points lead Bulls past Pistons 122-112 In another Game agains Pistons Bulls.Lost but Lavine had 51 points Reeves against Pistons 37 min 7 2 12 Lavine EASY OPTION.
I hope Rob doesn’t forget how bad the Russell Westbrook trade set us back. Forget about Zac the money doesn’t match the talent. What would happen if AD get hurt We need a big now and a perimeter 3 & D wing
Trading AR for a possibly 2yrs max championship window before Bron retirement is insane LOL Gotta be a better way to improve the team without losing AR. He still got room for growth
@@newlife6265 obviously u don't. Plz tell me u watched Reeves get cooked like Xmas ham against the Pistons athletic & physical guards. On a tru contender, Reeves is a bench role player... mayb u should watch other teams- namely contenders - other than just the Lakers...
We cannot give up AR obviously. But also Rui. He's our only PF, SF and sometimes Center. Swiss army knife if u Wil and he has a great attitude. Always. He's a glue guy and that's sooo underrated it seems.
Lavine’s last game against Bucks without Giannis or Lillard: 14 pts, 6 rebounds,3 assists, 1-6 from 3, 3 turnovers, -18. Bulls lose by 25. Yeah, let’s trade AR for that and that ludicrous contract.
Reaves game b4 tonight against the pistons who are 13-17.. 12 points 2 assists and 6TO’s .. while getting torched defensively 😂.. not a fluke either, he got torched the 1st time they played the pistons lol
@ Reaves defense was great this game. They couldn’t score on him. His turnovers were bad. Lavine is a MUCH worse defender. You don’t know basketball. LeBron has eight games of 6 or more turnovers this season. Reaves has one.
I like Austin and all but Zach is a clear cut upgrade. If Reaves hasn’t broken out by now, I think this is just who he is. Zach is obviously a better scorer and has been a way better distributor this season. If the bulls want him and we can avoid overpaying I say pull the trigger
Look at the contracts in this new CBA, it’ll be Westbrook all over again where it’s just Bron AD Lavine with no role players. How does Chicago have the leverage when they’ve been trying to get off Lavine for years
@@CertifiedRetroGaming I don’t think they need Lavine, im saying in general..Lakers are reluctant to trade Reaves and it’s a problem…they could’ve had Murray last year but was stuck on Reaves
@@gotworc This isn't the big trade the Lakers need. Zach's getting paid like a top 5-10 player in the league. Zach isn't even a top 20 player in the NBA.
Man Zach would clearly be the number 2 or 3 option on a consistent basis. It’s hard for me to listen to yall when yall feel keeping Austin is the better move. Zach would probably be the second best scorer when taking brons age and health in consideration.
Yeah im not giving up Austin Reaves for zach lavine. Zach lavine is a allstar don't get me wrong but he's turning 30 in march and has had a very concerning injury history. Also he's on a horrible contract. The bulls were rumored to potentially have to offer a first with lavine to get out of his massive contract so nah bulls aren't getting Reaves. They have zero leverage. In fact there one of the few teams we'd actually have leverage over since they wanna trade these players and Lakers are one of the few teams interested. Im all for Lavine potentially for DLO flip tho.
The old school Lakers 3:57 would trade Reaves in a New York minute to get better. Now, the franchise and fan base are falling in love with an undrafted player. The Lakers used to make big moves. Now they're the Supersonics or something. Make the trade. Lavine is way better. Stop all this sensitive non-sense. None of us is paying his contract and the time to strike is now!
The Lavine narratives are way overblown. His contract isn’t even a max anymore, and he is only on a 1+1 after this year. Other than last year, which has context as to why he only played 25 games, he has avg 65 games the 5 yrs before last. Give them Reaves.
@ relevant point but not everyone is going to be consistent every game… lavines contract isnt team friendly hes injury prone and a one way player we dont need that we need a big man down low to help out AD..and would be hurting our future.. AR and DK the future…
He plays well pretty consistent enough that he's been our third best player pretty consistently. He's on a fantastic contract for his value. He's young , last season he played all 82 games which that alone is a rarity in today's NBA. He always hustles and competes which the same can't be said for some other players on this roster. As for Zach Lavine. He's talented. I like him and he's a allstar caliber player but he's also beyond injury prone which is a major concern as he's hurt basically every season plus he's on what's currently probably the worst contract in league. It's also been known the bulls want to get out of Lavines massive contract and last season were even being rumored to consider throwing a first round pick in to trade with Lavine to get a trade done. So they have absolutely no leverage at all. I'm not giving up a talented player. Hell i ain't even giving up a first we should be getting a first with lavine 😂
I like the idea of trading for Lonzo. He is currently a bench player, only 20 minutes ish a game. They are trying not to push him too hard. What I like about the trade is his defensive metrics and team metrics are really high. His high potential is really good. His ability to fit now and with AD post LeBron is high. His next contract will not be as much, maybe mid level range and you get his bird rights if you make the trade. If you can get Ayo (7 mil) and Ball, then you are covered Ayo can start, Ball off the bench this season. Add Craig for 3 mil as well if wanted. Vuc another 20 mil for your center. Also Ball’s contract is expiring so there is very limited risk associated. Couple seconds and matching money. It’s a risk though. If I don’t have other good moves I’d be open to this one.
He's making 10 million!! N playing like a guy making 25 million!!! Bulls were gonna pay someone to take lavine..NO ONE wants him..now we gotta trade reeve for him?? Gtfoh 😭
@@hunter-zp2hfexactly lavine ain't doing nothing but averaging 6 more points than Reeves they better not Reaves is a role player who needs to stay nd he cheap plus he plays his part so I say no
Can you imagine Bron at the point, Lavine at the 2, Riu at the 3, AD at the 4 and a center..shiiiiiissssssshhhh! Reaves would be toast if I was the GM.
@@rayd4974 your a certified idiot.. zachs contract doesnt fit… He is way 2 expensive.. we would have to give up like 4 players.. that would make us worse sorry but your opinion is invalid
Please can we leave Lavine alone unless Bulls want to give us picks?! It's a TERRIBLE contract for a player who, whilst no doubt awesome, has had availability issues and (more importantly) is an archetype we probably need least.
Need the least? That’s not what lebrons age and this teams offense says, the fools gold in the beginning of the season has changed color
@samuelpetit6183 So we're tearing it down then? For Lavine? The issue is that as currently constructed (LBJ and AD as our main two) AR is better for us than Lavine. Also, Lavine is a one way player (same as AR), more injury prone, AND has a horrendous contract! Tell me who stays if we get Lavine, coz the idea that he, LBJ and AD all stay healthy whilst all playing 38+ every night is fantasy bro 🤷
💯‼️ anyone who wants this should be banned from watching basketball. Terrible contract and our offense is trash when Austin isn’t facilitating next to bron.
@@samuelpetit6183he’s on a terrible contract and is not a #1. $30mill sure…. But no one has traded for him for a reason, we don’t need to be the morons that do it.
The Bulls have to give up at least 2 firsts and a pick swap to dump LaVine. Or they can pay him.
Big HELL NO on trading AR - especially after tonight's masterpiece of a game from him.
😂😂😂😂
@@ragz2richez348masterpiece..Did not see his dumb ass turnovers and him and Max having so many defensive breakdowns leaving curry wide tf open
@@jaylenstone7589thank you!!!
Trade headband Reaves
And twinkle toe AD
Again. Lakers need strong athletic, defending guards, a rebounding rim protecting big, and a 3&d wing.
This is a scoring league. They are too skilled to fully stop someone. They might make it tough a little bit. But unless they are like Jaylen brown you better go with someone that can score.
Lmao wheres all the AR hate at? Triple dub against the Ws with a game winner on Christmas? 😂😂 not bad for undrafted player.. lakers fans cry too much
The criticism was from the Pistons game, where he got bullied and 💩 the bed. GSW don’t have the players to bully AR and he played great and helped us win the game. Most AR fans purposefully never criticize him and talk about his successes. He also needs to this versus elite teams and he hasn’t done that this season, yet.
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I probably wouldn’t do DLo for Lonzo. As streaky as he is, DLo really doesn’t get hurt very often.
That's a good point actually. He doesn't get hurt very often.
@@ThrifterGuyhow can you get hurt if you don’t play hard lol go look at that angle too he’s only asked to score simply because he can’t and won’t do anything else and he spends most of his time jacking jumpers not driving can’t knock lonzo for hustling and getting injured and the other guy barely gives effort
@@anthonylawrence3343you absolutely can knock him for never being on the court. wtf are you saying?😂
@@falcongunner33 but what DLo does do consistently, is NO SHOW IN THE PLAYOFFS! DLo needs to get gone too!
@ I’m saying tho he’s not there because he plays hard overs is a mf when he not shooting good literally looks like shit basically saying it’s impossible to be hurt if you not doing shit I’d make the trade for lonzo and lavine and get a cheap center that is big
Heck Nooo Merry Christmas Lakers friends and family and All a good night 🎄⛄🎁
Trev!
Please, let’s not waste anymore talk about Lavine! He’s too expensive & plays absolutely Zero Defense! Forget it!!!
Yeahh immmm so tired of hearing this trade.. Lavine is good today vry bad tomorrow..
Great company AR doesn’t either!
This is 🧢
@@salvatorfarms6811 Same with LeBron and DLO.
Ageeed
36 points vs Celtics in road win!! Not chasing shots but playing in the flow.
That's the problem Lakers have too many inconsistent players on the roster!!!Lavine gives you scoring every game & LeBron will eventually retire..
@johnlindsey7627 Trade Lbj koko, Gabe, and bronny. Get Zach, Vuc couple other wing and other pics. Lakers would be a championship contender
@@kimstewart1204 Trade Dump Truck Davis instead!
@@kimstewart1204 bro thats why your in your moms basement not making calls cause you have no idea what your talking about.. AR-15 wad the reason we took the W in golden state
@@kimstewart1204 Id trade AD before LBJ....I think AD is washed
@@yualwayslyng3701 they play no D
Austin Reaves does get cooked on a nightly basis
so does lavine
@@meechryles7072 lavine at least has the athleticism to be a good defender. being.a 3rd option he can lock in on that end
@@robertbrooks1341 kepp talking all that BS… AR-15 showed up tonight was the reason we won… go root for another team you got some weak legs foo 👋🏽
@@robertbrooks1341 how about tonight?
@@BeginnerHoopslavine isn’t a bad defender, that just a narrative LA fans put out there to protect AR..
4:08 I’d 100% trade DLo for Lonzo. One thing we know AD needs to be successful is a floor general PG. I’m done with the DLo experience. It’s too inconsistent for me and I’m over it.
But Chicago isn't doing that
This is crazy. You have Lavine a All star one the most athletic players in the league. Who can drop 50 on any night. Then you have Reeves a role player. Who is one of the least athletic players in the league. Who is inconsistent and terrible on defense. You really want to watch teams target him defense for the next 5 or maybe even 10 years. If you want to win make the trade.
Lavine can barely stay healthy and has never produced in the playoffs like Reeves and Rui have.
@@marcusgarvey6231lmao if you wanna say health history sure but not gonna let you slide like lavine isnt 10x better than both of them
Lakers are crazy. They literally wasted 2-3 years of Lebron and healthy Davis years. Not wanting to trade Austin. Nuts. Turner, Lavine, kirie etc could have all been a laker and increased their odds. Oh well
Lavine is terrible on defense . You could argue that if you trade Austin Reeves ,DLo and Rui your already going from 3 bad defenders to 1 guy who you can surround with good defenders .
Agreed 💯
I like AR15 but hes been exposed numerous times. And can be bullied. Pistons hardly let austin get past half court.
Game winning shot CH. Day
Yeah but that doesn't undermine the baggage that comes with Lavine's contract
Trevor seems enamored with Lavine and talks about him in a way that suggests he's putting up crazy numbers, even as he cites his numbers.
His percentages are excellent... but his averages are just good, borderline all star/all star if the team is winning at a high clip numbers.
Hopefully we pick someone up b4 the playoffs, teams will pressure AR the same way in the playoffs, especially if DLO isn’t sharing the court with him
@@mr_hitstick.4217 AD is brittle he twisted his ankle stepping on nothing but the floor he has bad ankles 🤦♂️
AR brings more positives than negatives. Every player has weaknesses, and they're magnified against certain style lineups.
i think Reaves has reached his ceiling. i think he can still be a good piece, but i wouldn't be opposed to trading him depending on the return
I agree 100%
I don’t think he has reached his ceiling. Maybe this is my Caruso trauma coming out, though. 😂
Reeves contract is a bargain. The Lakers aren't losing because of Austin.
@@stmikhailhe’s 26 he’s definitely reached his ceiling and I actually think he benefits from playing with AD and Lebron I think when he handles the ball the most we see him turn the ball over and make wild plays and shoot inconsistently at times
Zach Lavine is not that guy though, terrible contract
Vucevic and lavine fit well in lakers
that'd be great but would have to somehow stack up 63 million in salary for both, its just too much 😮
@@harrytv8302 so can Kyle Kuzma especially after he won a nba championship with the Lakers.
@@2gulfalcodlo inlcuded with 2 1sts reaves and a 3rd team.
Yeah, that's why Chicago are winning everything..... lavine is not going anywhere but to a rebuilding franchise he's a 3rd best kind of player on a no1 option contract. Ingram would be so much a better fit but I think he will even be to pricey. Vucevic could be usefull on the other hand.
Trevor, I don't think trading Austin in a deal for LaVine is as taboo as you make it out to be.
Trevor is a austin reaves fanboy 😂
He just told you it's because of the contract
The contract is really really really crazy. We’d be broke broke.
Keep Reaves especially after his game winner last night
Fanboys no wonder why we can't win anything 😂
Only way the Lakers make the trade is if they give us a couple of 1st rounders. That contract is so bad the lakers would need to be compensated heavily for helping them clear that cap space.
Not happening
@ I know, because they want our picks while we should want their picks. It won’t happen and it shouldn’t happen.
If Lonzo is 80%, he is the kind of point guard that the Lakers need.
Nahh
Problem is Lebron loves to play heroe ball and dribbles too much for Lonzo to shine
I can't believe people are actually entertaining Lonzo again 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️. He is 💩. You might as well ask for Westbrook back too lol
@@Calislimramon sounds like Kobe.
I wouldn't trade a bag of peanuts for Lonzo. Did we forget what happened with Nunn? 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️. We don't need any injury prone players
Dude is earning the same as Doncic this year that just puts into perspective how overpaid this guy is. Would’ve been a great trade if we still had Russ on the books but def not worth all the pieces we gotta give up
Who cares he's an elite guard do it 😤
@@trevorbunbury23 The comment section don’t get it lol
If they did it then the Lakers would be stuck for years to come not able to make any additional moves
@@Flush0000 They will say this regardless! You don’t get it! The front office is dragging ass
Lakers would be broke. 🙄
@@trevorbunbury23 just shut your mouth and stay in your moms basement your opinion doesnt matter lol.. you obviously dont understand how contracts/ finances work
Merry Christmas everyone! I am also not giving Austin Reaves up for Zach Lavine contract. We don’t need that contract on our books
It’s for 2 more years expire when Bron retires
Correction, Zach Lavine is better than anything the Lakers has on the team... do the deal
Come on, we're holding on to something that clearly doesn't work.
@@drewgetglitchy.7243exactly
Happy Christmas laker fans
Is that Sarcasm? I am pissed 😡
@@eddieledesma7990 Merry New Year!
@@RodneyLovings lol not at all. Let’s get this w tonight
@@ejsoto160 merry new year!🥳
Not if we lose AR!
Austin Reaves is a solid player but damn can we stop acting like this man is a untouchable superstar, Lavine is heads and shoulders better than Austin Reaves, I get the contract sucks but Reaves shouldn’t be a hold up for any player that can give you 25 points a game
It should when that player barely ever plays basketball
@@inspiredbyjayweightlossjou9843 VS a guy who is up and down......Give Me the best Talent!!! thats Zach
Untouchable because of his fit with AD and Lebron
@@marloncarlloquias he actually doesn’t fit as well as you would think, honestly he’s too much of a tweener and because of that his best role is 6th man
PLEASE MAKE THIS TRADE THAT WOULD BE PERFECT FOR THE LAKERS 🙏🏽
Nothing to talk about here really. Even $30M/year for the third option is barely manageable, $45M - unreal. AR, despite his flaws, is team-friendly and reliable. And variance in his performance is very low, you can pencil him out for 15+5+4 a night, which is a great kick-for-buck.
Scared money don't make money!!!
@@dariusewing6962 AR15 is never scared! He brings 1.5 pts/$1M salary (17.5 pts/$12.5M). Lavine gives 0.5pts/$1M (22 pts/$45M). I take Reaves over Lavine any day.
it will be stupid for lakers to trade for lavine
💯 PERCENT AGREE@@petertsui3676
Zach is actually a perfect fit. He's a floor spacer, can create his own shot and for other and can score at a very high rate
Can't defend at all tho
I see Lavine as another Bradley Beal type of player and contract.
Name 1 starting pg who defends?? @@jhan_drums
Not perfect. Good pairing with AD. Not so much Bron.
@@jhan_drumsReaves can't defend either buddy
Any significant trade scenario where Lakers get an all star, will have to include Reeves, if Rob says no to that, then we will never have a deal done.
At least make the smaller moves please, we need a big man and a two way wing!!
Make the trade! Lavine is the easiest trade to get done and Lavine gives us the greatest upside. No one will care ablout that contract if we win a title
We’ll care when we can’t build a team around these 3 players. The Lakers would need at least one 1st round for me 2.
@ you realize no one is reading that. Right?
@ ok
@@peteranders6893I read it in 30 seconds or less and agree
The thing that I always noticed with the Bulls over the past few seasons is that they seemed to start winning more when Lavine was out with his many injuries. Seems like the type of player where the Bulls would have to GIVE a pick for someone to take that contract off their hands.
Make the trade , zach doesn’t need to dribble dribble one on one to score all his points
@@terryalan4590 your a certified idiot
Merry Christmas Trevor Lane
Do it. As Lakers stand, they are a mid or play in team with Reaves in the lineup. Lakers need a change. Merry Christmas to all!
but its not a swap, it would have to be austin + dlo/rui or gabe. And austin is on one of the best contracts in the league. Thank god ur not a GM
Lakers were even more trash when Reaves was hurt lol
I would trade AR for Lavine and Ayo easily. Ayo is a better option at the one and Lavine a better option at the 2. Adding two athletic guards, with greater consistency. Not trading AR without Ayo in the deal however and personally I would prefer to keep AR as a 6th man.
Its not AR for Levine. Thats the problem. It's AR, possibly Rui, Vando, Dlo. To get to Levines 43 mil it's going to take 3 or 4 players. And we are already extremely thin on the wing.
@@ThrifterGuyAR, RUI & DLO can go ASAP
@@ThrifterGuy I’m aware of the math. Dlo, Rui, AR, JHS, Hayes gets you to 55 mil. Lavine, Ayo, Craig is 53 mil. 2 spot and 2 mil to work with for now. THT is non guaranteed till mid Jan so the Bulls have an option to open a slot without losing that money or a third team. Ayo, Lavine and Craig are all good enough to start or you can play Max at the 3 until Vando is healthy, or make an additional move. A three team trade with Charlotte for example where you bring in Nick Richards and Cody Martin (13 mil) could work by simply adding Gabe in. It’s may not be better than trading for say Cam Johnson and pieces but it will likely require more assets. Btw, DFS, Cam, Sharpe is also 47 mil. Bruce Brown, Jonas, Kuzma is 56 mil. All big trades require sending a lot of the same pieces out. Picks and young assets aside.
Zach is a consistent walking 20 ppg player
@@bebes-q2t yea but doesn’t play D and wouldn’t fit right and way too expensive we would have to give up way too much.. would put us father back than forward..
Is that worth his massive contract + assets to get it?
After yesterday, this is a terrible trade. They don’t need another scorer. They need a big man.
Everyone knows how I feel about Reaves…he’s the best trade chip the Lakers have, if we plan to get better he’s gotta be available to move in the right situation.
@@salvatorfarms6811 keep talking all that..AR 15 was the one that won that game.. you got some apologizing to do…
@ boy I’m not worried about one game I’m trying to win a chip….thats where we are different, being mediocre is the new mindset but not for me.
@@salvatorfarms6811 then understand that Zach isnt going to help la it puts us back we just need a big… all you see is ppg stats.. theres more to this game than ppg stats lol..
@@salvatorfarms6811 we need a big man that plays D and rebounds not another shooter lol
@ There are no big men on the market sir….no we need athletic wings who can go get a bucket.
If he was a 2 way superstar I would do that trade, but he's not. Kick rocks Chicago
They took Caruso and now without Caruso, they want to replace him with Reeves to make the Lakers feel more pain and regret.
Reeves doesn’t do anything like Caruso tho 😂😂 Austin gets cooked every night 😂 it’ll continue to happen the rest of his career
I think they need a star like Lavine or BI and another 3&D wing
That’s what the Bulls were thinking when they signed Lavine.
@@marcusgarvey6231 they dont have bron & AD ....
@@djemayel8907 it’s like this why can’t we just bring back Dwight Howard since he knows how to stop the Nuggets in the playoffs.
@@teejleddyDwight is a booty bandit. He’ll probably never be back in the NBA
@@teejleddy I would sign Dwight just to play Denver … he can still play.
AR and his fan boys can go asap. We trying to win a chip not lose.
Foreal
@@jameshicks3878 see that triple double and game winner?
So glad u said this!!! I don't get it
@@stevealot4246 Idc he's still a bum to me. He won't do that to Denver or other good teams in the playoff.
@@jameshicks3878 your opinion is still trash to me.
Hell no. Give up one of your best players and contracts for an overpaid player nobody wants? They should be offering the lakers picks to unload that nasty hefty contract. Just another example of teams thinking they can fleece the Lakers.
We are not winning anything with AR as our third best player the sooner people come to this realization the better, Lavine is an upgrade and will make us a clear contender. DO IT!!!!
Defense will suck
@ Can’t be any worse than with Reeves lol
Reeves has shortcomings yes, but more success n the playoffs in 2 years than Lavine has had his whole career.
@@marcusgarvey6231 Think about why that is, I’ll give you a hint better team.
Yes, but AR playoff success isn't because of him. Using that logic, so has Maxwell Lewis.
With draft picks to lakers YES. AR can go “thrive” elsewhere.
Lonzo doesn't play for three years and now that his contract is up, he's healthy again. lol It's unbelievable some stupid GM will sign him. As far as Lavine, has he even had one year where he isn't injured? His knees are as bad as Lonzo's. Both guys suck and the Lakers are stupid to even think of taking them.
Love the sport Trev! Merry Christmas my brother💙
Make the trade Lavine is a better 3pt shooter and scorer and can take a game over from start to finish.
He's injury prone.
he can not take game over from start to finish
$$$$$$
Max, Zach, Bron, rui, AD
Lavine in 1 game against the Pistons
Zach LaVine's 16 fourth-quarter points lead Bulls past Pistons 122-112
In another Game agains Pistons Bulls.Lost but Lavine had 51 points
Reeves against Pistons
37 min 7 2 12
Lavine EASY OPTION.
Thank u, what's the hold up here? Reaves is a bench player who can't defend to save his life. I can't stand his fanboys this year
Which year? You are talking Pistons that was the worst team in history. Casual take
Reaves >> Lavine. 46M annually for 3rd best player getting best player money. Reaves is so valuable
Get Lavine and Vucevic.i like AR but make that trade!
but its not a swap, it would have to be austin + dlo/rui or gabe. And austin is on one of the best contracts in the league. Thank god ur not a GM
Hell no - AR's contract is too good for them to make demands. Can use AR in a different trade
Get Austin out of here! We are a 1 or 2 seed vs barely playin with Reeves
I hope Rob doesn’t forget how bad the Russell Westbrook trade set us back. Forget about Zac the money doesn’t match the talent. What would happen if AD get hurt We need a big now and a perimeter 3 & D wing
Send Austin who cares.
@@ljakp7327 actually lakers fan.. if you watched tonight’s game.. We won because of AR-15
Merry Christmas to you and the fam
Lakers don't do it. Learn your lesson from the Westbrook trade. He has an injury history like AD.
Trading AR for a possibly 2yrs max championship window before Bron retirement is insane LOL Gotta be a better way to improve the team without losing AR. He still got room for growth
LAKERNATION SHOULD HAVE BEEN TRADED AUSTIN REAVES .. YOU CAN'T WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP IF HE'S IN THE CONVERSATION AS YOUR 3RD BEST PLAYER ..
He has more successful playoff experience in 2 years than most players under 30.
@@charlesjohnson536 agreed 💯...
u are not a legit contender if AR is ur 3rd best player. Hard Stop!
@@charlesjohnson536 truth
@@marcusgarvey6231 that's not because of him ....
Agreed. He's got to be an 8th player off the bench. His defense is such a huge liability he wouldn't start for an actual contending team.
Zack better shooter, ball handler, mid range, dunker, finisher at the basket
get zach lavine austin reaves is a bench player on any other team
False. You don’t watch much basketball do you?
But a starter on the Lakers with 2 of the best players in the league ??🙄
Austin is a bench player why don’t people get it
@@newlife6265 obviously u don't. Plz tell me u watched Reeves get cooked like Xmas ham against the Pistons athletic & physical guards. On a tru contender, Reeves is a bench role player... mayb u should watch other teams- namely contenders - other than just the Lakers...
@@Royalwar0305 I get it... agreed 💯
GET ZACH LAKERS WE NEED A FRESH STAR IMAGINE FIRST GAME WITH LAVINE WITH THE JERSEY ON
Man AR must have something with LA leadership and bron. ZL is better than AR in all catorgories, I think that is a good swap AR and ZL.
@@peteranders6893 They can have them....we haven't won with this guys...Rui DLO and AR all are just above average but not enough to win
Im a Zach Levine fan but man that contract is crazy. I like giving up DLo, Rui and Gabe for him but nothing more.
Make the trade expeditiously
We cannot give up AR obviously. But also Rui. He's our only PF, SF and sometimes Center. Swiss army knife if u Wil and he has a great attitude. Always. He's a glue guy and that's sooo underrated it seems.
Make the trade.
Lavine’s last game against Bucks without Giannis or Lillard:
14 pts, 6 rebounds,3 assists, 1-6 from 3, 3 turnovers, -18. Bulls lose by 25. Yeah, let’s trade AR for that and that ludicrous contract.
Reaves game b4 tonight against the pistons who are 13-17.. 12 points 2 assists and 6TO’s .. while getting torched defensively 😂.. not a fluke either, he got torched the 1st time they played the pistons lol
@ Reaves defense was great this game. They couldn’t score on him. His turnovers were bad. Lavine is a MUCH worse defender. You don’t know basketball. LeBron has eight games of 6 or more turnovers this season. Reaves has one.
@lol reaves will never be better than lavines , no one is hunting lavine 😂 AR literally gets hunted every game lol
I like Austin and all but Zach is a clear cut upgrade. If Reaves hasn’t broken out by now, I think this is just who he is. Zach is obviously a better scorer and has been a way better distributor this season. If the bulls want him and we can avoid overpaying I say pull the trigger
but its not a swap, it would have to be austin + dlo/rui or gabe. And austin is on one of the best contracts in the league. Thank god ur not a GM
When has Lavine ever produced in the playoffs….he never has.
YES!!!!!!!!!
Lakers aren’t serious about winning if they’re not willing to trade Reaves…he can’t play PG he’s off and on and has a problem with turnovers
Lavine a one trick pony , injury prone , and isn’t playoff proven. NTY
Look at the contracts in this new CBA, it’ll be Westbrook all over again where it’s just Bron AD Lavine with no role players. How does Chicago have the leverage when they’ve been trying to get off Lavine for years
Exactly. If they really wanna win, he would have to go. It's business and he'll be fine.
@@CertifiedRetroGaming I don’t think they need Lavine, im saying in general..Lakers are reluctant to trade Reaves and it’s a problem…they could’ve had Murray last year but was stuck on Reaves
Vid aged so well after AR just hit game winner
Facts over Feelings. Make the Trade.
And the Lakers will be stuck the next 3 years until Lavine's contract comes off the books.
@@csnodgers9025who cares. They either make a big trade in hopes of being competitive or do nothing and be a mediocre team for the next few years
@@gotworc This isn't the big trade the Lakers need. Zach's getting paid like a top 5-10 player in the league. Zach isn't even a top 20 player in the NBA.
Man Zach would clearly be the number 2 or 3 option on a consistent basis. It’s hard for me to listen to yall when yall feel keeping Austin is the better move. Zach would probably be the second best scorer when taking brons age and health in consideration.
Do it,man, and try to get a couple of 2nd rounds for getting that huge contract, please
You get size length and more physical and more shooting lonzo zach nick
Yeah im not giving up Austin Reaves for zach lavine. Zach lavine is a allstar don't get me wrong but he's turning 30 in march and has had a very concerning injury history. Also he's on a horrible contract. The bulls were rumored to potentially have to offer a first with lavine to get out of his massive contract so nah bulls aren't getting Reaves. They have zero leverage. In fact there one of the few teams we'd actually have leverage over since they wanna trade these players and Lakers are one of the few teams interested.
Im all for Lavine potentially for DLO flip tho.
They can gladly have Austin reaves if they give the lakers Ayo dosunmu.
Exactly austin is a losing player an not getting better
The old school Lakers 3:57 would trade Reaves in a New York minute to get better. Now, the franchise and fan base are falling in love with an undrafted player. The Lakers used to make big moves. Now they're the Supersonics or something. Make the trade. Lavine is way better. Stop all this sensitive non-sense. None of us is paying his contract and the time to strike is now!
Thanks for telling the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth let me add that LeBron is a fool for staying there 😎🤬
@terrencefields5265 I think LeBron loves the Hollywood lifestyle. Big cars, big mansions, and superstars at every home game.
ABSOLUTELY NOT LAKERS. Lavine is not a winning basketball player. AR better role player.
The Lavine narratives are way overblown. His contract isn’t even a max anymore, and he is only on a 1+1 after this year. Other than last year, which has context as to why he only played 25 games, he has avg 65 games the 5 yrs before last. Give them Reaves.
Do not trade Austin! Would be the same mistake as letting Caruso go. Lonzo for D'lo makes much more sense.
Absolutely no on Levine. Also worth mentioning Lavine and AR together would be catastrophic on the defensive end
Vuc Zach and zo would be great
We need Austin R. bro.
I would give up Austin Reeves and his first born for Levine
💯 PERCENT REAL TALK
Reaves can go!!!!
Your crazy
@@yualwayslyng3701 AR is inconsistent and can’t defend at a high level if there’s a move trade him fam
You can go
@ relevant point but not everyone is going to be consistent every game… lavines contract isnt team friendly hes injury prone and a one way player we dont need that we need a big man down low to help out AD..and would be hurting our future.. AR and DK the future…
@@yualwayslyng3701yall give players a hell of a time for being inconsistent but AR gets a pass fuck that trade his ass
Nikola , Ayo & Craig are perfect peaces to add .
Woot woot go lakers! And heck no! Keep Austin
Bad timing after Austin’s game winner tonight
Austin a fan favorite 😂
Anyone who plays really well will automatically be
He plays well pretty consistent enough that he's been our third best player pretty consistently. He's on a fantastic contract for his value. He's young , last season he played all 82 games which that alone is a rarity in today's NBA. He always hustles and competes which the same can't be said for some other players on this roster.
As for Zach Lavine. He's talented. I like him and he's a allstar caliber player but he's also beyond injury prone which is a major concern as he's hurt basically every season plus he's on what's currently probably the worst contract in league.
It's also been known the bulls want to get out of Lavines massive contract and last season were even being rumored to consider throwing a first round pick in to trade with Lavine to get a trade done. So they have absolutely no leverage at all. I'm not giving up a talented player. Hell i ain't even giving up a first we should be getting a first with lavine 😂
He's not the 3rd best 😂
Merry Christmas
Make the trade now!
You not looking at the contract are you
Glad ur not the gm
I like the idea of trading for Lonzo. He is currently a bench player, only 20 minutes ish a game. They are trying not to push him too hard. What I like about the trade is his defensive metrics and team metrics are really high. His high potential is really good. His ability to fit now and with AD post LeBron is high. His next contract will not be as much, maybe mid level range and you get his bird rights if you make the trade. If you can get Ayo (7 mil) and Ball, then you are covered Ayo can start, Ball off the bench this season. Add Craig for 3 mil as well if wanted. Vuc another 20 mil for your center. Also Ball’s contract is expiring so there is very limited risk associated. Couple seconds and matching money. It’s a risk though. If I don’t have other good moves I’d be open to this one.
Vucevic should be included too nd...we change the team upside down
not like Valanciunas,who is a best on defense! Or AR,Reaves,DLo..who are also elite on defense!😂
NO WAY!
REEVES STAYS, WE INVESTED SO MUCH INTO HIM ALREADY
Make the trade!!! Reeves is super overrated and inconsistent. Trash on defense. What are we holding onto? The chance to stay in the play in?????
He's making 10 million!! N playing like a guy making 25 million!!! Bulls were gonna pay someone to take lavine..NO ONE wants him..now we gotta trade reeve for him?? Gtfoh 😭
but its not a swap, it would have to be austin + dlo/rui or gabe. And austin is on one of the best contracts in the league. Thank god ur not a GM
Dude is playing like hot shit them fanboys are Delusional
@@hunter-zp2hfexactly lavine ain't doing nothing but averaging 6 more points than Reeves they better not Reaves is a role player who needs to stay nd he cheap plus he plays his part so I say no
What a horrendous take.
AR just won the Lakers the Christmas game last night so hell no
Dooo ittt!!!
Can you imagine Bron at the point, Lavine at the 2, Riu at the 3, AD at the 4 and a center..shiiiiiissssssshhhh! Reaves would be toast if I was the GM.
Make it happen ASAP! Zach is better no comparison
@@rayd4974 your a certified idiot.. zachs contract doesnt fit… He is way 2 expensive.. we would have to give up like 4 players.. that would make us worse sorry but your opinion is invalid
Bulls can keep Lavine and we'll keep AR15.