+ROSSDABOSS Their 55-3 win didn't hurt them. Not playing a conference championship game the next week is what hurt them. While they had the last week off, FSU and OSU won their conferences, and that's what put them over TCU. The CFP is flawed though. They need to make it as transparent as possible as to what gets you in. Everyone join a conference, win your conference, and you're in. Something along those lines.
+ROSSDABOSS Ummm, you do recall that 55-3 win was over a 2-10 Iowa St. do you not? I don't care who you are, a 55-3 win over a crappy team is in no way gonna be more impressive than a 59-0 win over a 10-win team for a conference championship, like Ohio St. had.
Chase Dimmer By the time the playoff rankings or the old BCS ranking came out to actually determine the championship teams, enough has been proven to defend them placing them in though. When an Alabama and Ohio State has gone undefeated or maybe 1 loss, it's easy to put them in because they have a history of being good. When Oklahoma State has one loss, they're dropped completely, despite dominating another Big 12 team offensively and defensively (2011). But the Big 10 and SEC do have a track record of good football, meanwhile the Big 12 has a track record of terrible defense, which may or may not contribute to their track record of amazing offense.
In the LSU/Alabama game, the Alabama D defended 42 plays. In the OSU/TCU game, OSU defended 110. So the OSU defense essentially played 2 and a half games compared to Alabama. This is not uncommon and it's why there's a misconception about weak defenses in the B12. B12 defenses aren't weak, they just play more than twice the football that the SEC does and therefore give up more points. It aint rocket surgery, but SEC fans and the committee still can't grasp the concept. That's why B12 fans have been crying foul about SEC bias. Because the stats being used actually create the bias.
+sonny0888 i agree with you, also almost every SEC team lost their bowl game last year to the hands of "NONE SEC TEAMS" but the media wants us to forget about that, and started this year off with the SEC is better than everyone else bais they talk every year.
+thesprintmaster The committee will start every year with the impression that the SEC is the best conference and Alabama is the best team. And until they lose (multiple times) and prove otherwise their rankings will reflect that belief. And maybe it's not so much conference bias as it is program bias. Teams with a long winning history will be favored over all others. Jeff long proves it every time he opens his mouth and contradicts himself in trying to justify the rankings. It's a double standard. Some teams have to prove they belong in the top while others have to prove they don't. That much is clear. Oklahoma State clearly proved their worth vs TCU, yet Ohio St (and Baylor) remains unfazed after playing nobody. Jeff long literally said they just "believe" those teams are great with no evidence to back that up so they get the better rankings until they prove they don't belong. It's inexplicable.
+sonny0888 you listed the number of plays, I read between the lines. It's very similar to what all these Big 12 fans are doing with these college football conspiracies.
Not even if you won it. Alabama went to the BCS Championship without even going to the SEC Championship. Remember LSU vs Alabama in the BCS Championship Game.
The truth has been spoken. Just disappointing how the committee only thinks that the SEC and Big 10 matters and count anything bad that they do as no big deal, whether it be a loss or NCAA violation. A change needs to be made to give everyone a fair chance.
The committee likes the SEC and the B1G because they play winning football. In both those conferences teams that play the fast spread-type offenses don't do well. In the B1G, Indiana, Maryland, Rutgers, and now Nebraska all are trying to play the spread, and they have middling to below .500 records. OSU, MSU, Iowa, UM, PSU and Wisconsin all play pro-style offenses, with hard-nosed defenses. OSU has a mix of offensive schemes, but they are undoubtedly a run-first, set up the pass team, just like in a regular pro-style offense. Now on to my point, All the pro-style offenses have winning records, and dominate all the other competition. I use the B1G as an example because I'm a die-hard Spartan fan, and I know the conference, in general, better than the SEC. With that said, Go Green, beat the Hawkeyes!
+Rick Gutkowski the committee likes teams that are strong in the trenches on both sides of the ball. OSU is not a pro style offense. They run a spread attack and run tempo. But they dominate teams up front on both sides. The committee likes that because historically in college football (really in football period) the teams who dominate the line of scrimmage are the ones who win in these big games. That's why despite all their fireworks Oregon could never get over the hump of winning a championship. They always ran into teams that were big and mean upfront and could control the line and wreck their plays.
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO MAKE THKS CONNECTION BECAUSE IVE ALWAYS KNEW THIS WAS HAPPENING BUT NEVER COULD FIND THE CONNECTION BETTWEEN EVERYTHING
+David Funk It wasn't the tempo that really killed that team btw... Alabama has always had the defensive guys to keep fresh, and high enough caliber to keep up in position. Case in point? Last year, when a really high tempo offense like A&M comes to town. 69-0 thumping. It takes much more than tempo. It takes the matchups and skill to exploit the tough Alabama secondary. It can be done, and that is how Trevor Knight beat them (and they also underestimated him beforehand). They have proven they match up in place for the tempo. Even getting a few first downs, and using the tempo - they have proven they aren't out of position and can get a stop. To beat bama, you have to play well each play.
+David Funk as I recall a few years ago an SEC team had to start the year playing against an up tempo team. A very impressive, at the time, Oregon! So LSU and Oregon. As I recall it was the SEC defensive vice that shut down that high octane, up tempo enterprise. SEC not so great in this 2015 year, agreed! But they have and will continue to be defensive minded and have proven in the past that they can shut them down. Even Florida against Oklahoma. Their D was as a rabid gator chomping down on the sooners and I remember seeing the look of utter desolation on the face of Sam Bradford, seeing what they were doing to him. Everyone said it could not happen, sooners played way to many plays per game almost every 3 seconds and kept scoring. You big 12 fans keep parroting the same song and the SEC keeps disproving your facts! Do not get me wrong, am a sooner fan and hope they are the ones on top this year and hope they play Bama for it. And if they win it will be well deserved!!!
Smart observation about the points per possession in the big 12. The only thing that can justify this SEC bias is recruiting. Those teams by and large do recruit better and have more talent on the field, but outside of that this SEC nuthugging is nonsense.
+AlphaDwg If you have a high efficiency offense that scores quick. Your defense will be on the field more. How often the other team possesses the ball has nothing to do with the defense.
+Colban Laffery your defense does have something to do with how many possessions they play. All three phases of the game plays a part. It's called complimentary football. If your defense is effecient your offense will get the ball more. To say one has "nothing" to do with the other is flat out wrong. If you look at defensive efficiency numbers only two big 12 teams rank in the top 20. And yes defensive efficiency does factor in points per possession. But you don't even need to be a math major to see that Big 12 defenses are bad. Just watch the games. Players running wide open with no one within 10 yards. Missed tackles all over the place. Any defense that gives up 50 points is not a good defense no matter what style of play. It's the same thing that SEC teams say about their offenses. Oh we play good defenses in a defensive league. Um no your offenses and especially your quarterbacks suck.
Im not saying the big 12 defenses are good. But a good defense that gets a 3 and out every possession will still get a crap ton of possessions per game if an offense scores in 2min.
+AlphaDwg I'm still trying to figure out where this "QB play in the SEC sucks" rationale comes from? Last I checked the SEC has had 4 Heisman candidates in the past 5 years, 2 of whom actually won the Heisman, and 3 QB's this year alone that rank in the top 25 in passing yards. Makes no sense to me, I mean it's not like other conferences are churning out a murderer's row of QBs every year themselves.
There just needs to be an 8 team playoff. I personally think there are usually about 5 or 6 teams (at most), by the end of the year, that have the talent to be national champions. Since a 6 team playoff isn't possible, an 8 team would be the next best thing. And this gives even the more umlikely teams a chance. 4 teams can work. Some seasons only 2 teams deviate from the rest by a lot. But, there are too many instances where I feel number 5 or even 6 has a good enough team.
At the end of the day if you give up 50+ points in a game you are a bad defense. Oklahoma St's defense isn't very good. Neither is TCU's. Oklahoma has a real defense. Baylor's defense is ok too. But don't try to tell me that Texas Tech, Oklahoma St and TCU play good defense. I'd like to see stats on the amount of big plays these defenses give up and percentage of missed tackles, blown coverages, and third down stops. Just using one stat to validate Big 12 defenses rings hallow.
Jack take all the power 5 conference champions and have 1 wild card spot. The 2 top ranked teams get a first round bye 3 seed plays 6. 4 seed plays 5. Next round the lowest seed left plays the 1 seed and the other plays the 2 seed. I don’t see why they don’t do this. With this format no conference can claim bias and a group of 5 team like UCF could even get in
@@Imactuallynighthawk I know this is an old comment, but I like your idea. I do prefer though, an 8 team bracket with all 5 power 5 conf champs and top ranked group of 5 as auto qualifiers, and have 2 at large bids for teams to fight over. Maybe use the selection committee to pick those last 2, or next 2 highest ranked that are left, or something.
No, we need a 16 team playoff. Teams that win their conference get an automatic spot, the other spots would then be filled by teams voted by a committee. That way, all of the playoff teams combined have played every single team in division 1 football. No controversy. No way of a deserving team being left out...
+Harambe ^This. This is what I said since before they introduced the playoffs. Why should a team ever go undefeated and not get a chance to prove they're the best? I understand strength of schedule and all that, but come on, at some point you need to widen the pool and give other school some publicity so it isn't always the same 5 schools competing for the championship.
8 team playoff i understand, but 16 is too far i think. Ppl only care about who the best team in the country is. Not who's 3rd or 8th or w.e. Alot of years, i can see a 6th or 7th ap poll team beating bama/OSU, but never do I see a 15th ranked team winning the NC. Plus, you'd be asking some amateur athletes to play potentially 17 games a season. That's alot for someone straight out of HS.
+Workin0nit I never said it was wrong. The stat is very much true. What's flawed is how he is using it to make excuses for the bad defenses in the Big 12.
+AlphaDwg but you are ignoring the facts. The point is the Big 12 and the Pac 12 DONT have bad defenses... They just have more plays run against them in the course of a game. So totals/points/yards all LOOK worse than in the SEC. But the SEC, on average, gave up MORE points per play against them. Making the point that the SEC defense was actually worse than the Big 12.
+Garrett “GZ12” Z yes they do. The get blown off the ball can't stop the run or pass from the first snap. Watch the games. Look at the blown coverages, the missed tackles. They play bad defense in the Big 12. The pac12 is different. You don't see the pathetic attempt at tackling you see in the big 12 in the pac 12.
+Garrett “GZ12” Z looks like bowl season proved me right. The film doesn't lie. Big 12 teams were terrible at defense this season. Down right pathetic. Using one flawed stat to validate Klatt's bias was a joke. Colin should have questioned him harder because I heard it and was um I'm sorry but what I see on film doesn't back up anything you are saying lol
I hope that now after the fact they can admit that the committee got it right. Just looking back on the bowls and the way it worked out, they put the best 4 teams in the playoffs which is what it's all about
Guys you need to look at this particular game (OKSTvsTCU) and why this stat of having a similar points/possession to the Bama/LSU game actually holds up. These big 12 teams actually played almost no defense. The only reason TCU was held out of the inzone, and thus Oklahoma State gave up zero points on those possessions lowering their points per possession allowed, is because Boykin threw interceptions deep in the red zone after they had gained 50+ yards on those possessions. Giving up 29 points isn't too bad, but giving up 663 yards is horrrrrendous and that needs to be looked at. There is a lot of truth to the common belief that the big 12 doesn't play defense. Just wait until the postseason.
+Christian Cunningham his points per possession stat is a joke. No coach is looking at that stat saying yup we only gave up 70 points in 15 possession we play great defense lol. Classic example of someone letting their bias cloud their mind of any logic smh.
For NINE straight years a team from east of the Mississippi River has won the National Title. Win one and then the rest of us might listen to your incessant whining.
+Eric Winter Provide a fair system to allow other teams to play for a championship instead of hand picking who plays in the championship game. Both the BCS and CFP rely on bias decisions on who plays in the championship game instead of letting the teams play it out on the field. Last year was proof when TCU and Baylor were both 11-1 and missed the playoff spots even though their stats were better than the 1 loss teams in the top 4.
+Eric Winter 2011 Ok. State was playing after the most devastating incident ever in college sports, and lost, they were unfocused and mentally out of it. LSU gets the nod, why? Because the SEC is favored no matter of sympathy or human empathy for the victims and people mourning.
That helps me understand why Baylor or TCU didn't get in last year and I thought part of it was that Baylor and TCU aren't the traditional big 12 powers u think of so they put in Ohio state because they had a long winning tradition unlike TCU and Baylor who really have only been winning in recent years.
That is because the offense moves faster in the west... the numbers are the speed and score are different but it is inflated by speed of the game... interesting stuff but really not ground breaking
at this point in the season, the committee knew(based on most likely having a 1 loss team) the Big Ten would get 1 team in thus ranked in the top four. The committee also knew Baylor and Oklahoma State would handle who was better on the field. The committee also has indicated the Big 12 should get a championship game(I disagree). Pac 12 got a 1 loss team in the playoff last year and Stanford would of been in the top four with 1 loss. Also, Baylor had an injured starting quarterback and did not play a power 5 non conference game-same goes for Oklahoma State. Yes Va Tech was not good this year but most years Va Tech is a borderline top 25 team, if not better. Alabama scheduled Wisconsin. Clemson played UND and South Carolina. If Oklahoma had not scheduled Tennessee, Oklahoma would be the first team out if there were four other 1 loss teams(Stanford or UND only having 1 loss). I firmly believe 2015 final four teams are not as strong as the 2014 final four teams-outside of Ohio State which will be left out of the playoffs unless Florida can upset Bama which is impossible because Florida couldn't score 14 pts on a JV HS football team.
Just stumbled upon this video from two years ago and I'd say it's still applicable. The purest's love make it seem like the regular season ultimately dictates who makes the final cut, but as we witnessed last season when Penn State defeated Ohio State, the final cut is still influenced by biased opinions and always has been.
lol ikr, when he said he was using "100% facts" I was like, dude u work for fox you're credibility went completely out the door when u opened you're mouth.
Interesting theory, but it doesn't hold weight. Klatt talks about the bias for the "phone booth football" played East of the Mississippi and the Eastern bias of the committee's two most influential members, Barry Alvarez & Tom Osbourne. The quickest, most glaring error: Osborne lives/coached in Nebraska, 350 West of the Mississippi & coached in the Big 6/8/XII for 30+ years, even though the Huskers are now part of the B1G. It's a stretch to say he's going to totally disregard his former conference. The second problem is only a few highly ranked Eastern teams play "phone booth football". Yes, the Top 5 teams are from Eastern conferences, but Clemson, Ohio State, and Notre Dame are all fast, spread teams. Yes, Oklahoma State & Baylor are undefeated and outside the top 5, but according to S&P+, they've played the 105th & 122nd schedules in the nation. Everything will work itself out by the end of the year.
I think the crimson tide are the only team in the SEC that is able to avoid this bias by consistently meeting their highest expectations. All the other teams in the SEC are super suspect in terms of how well they stack up with the creme of the crop from other conferences.
hmmm wonder why they would think this? Maybe because they broadcast the two worst conferences the b12 & pac 12. When your best team has a minimum two losses and all of your top teams have ooc losses, your "biased" argument is pretty mute (pac 12.)
We don't have an good committee and well we need to change up the committee and be fair to all college football teams. CFB favours blowohio and the SEC so much!
So let me make sure I understand the narrative here:"The BCS system is biased towards the SEC, we should have a playoff system like they don in the NFL!"*Gets 4-team playoff system*"The CFP is biased towards the SEC & B10 (never mind the fact that the ACC is playing the playoffs 2 years in a row as well and Oregon represented the Pac 12 last year), they should make everything fair!"LMAO seriously?
yet the question still is can a pac-12 or big-12 defense stop a derrick henry, fournette, elliot, or dalvin cook in a game for 4 quarters or could they move the ball against a florida, bama, ole miss, indiana, ohio state, or iowa defense. on the other hand everyone saying the SEC doesn't have up tempo teams must not know about tennessee, texas a&m, mississippi state, ole miss, mizzou, auburn, and now florida (and even alabama).
+Ace Boogie a lot of teams have up tempo offenses in the SEC it's the quarterback play that has been bad this year. But you can't deny it is a down year for the SEC. But at the same time anyone who tries to argue that they play defense in the Big 12 because of one obscure stat that is only used as part of more complex metrics is a fool or a paid shill like Klatt
+Ace Boogie the answer is no as was proven in the bowls. Points per possession is a hallow stat. The film doesn't lie. Anyone who turned on the tape saw that big 12 defenses were garbage.
TCU WAS BY FAR THE BEST TEAM IN NCAA FOOTBALL IN THE 1ST YEAR OF PLAYOFFS. PS. I AM A BAMA FAN , BORN AND RAISED IN CHEATING MIDWEST STATE, MICHIGAN. THE $ Wasnt coming in, the committee was dominated by Big 10 members and led by BarryAlvarez and Tom Osbourne ! Suck it ..........SEC RULES AND ALWAYS WILL EVEN IF YOU TOOK ADVANTAGE OF FIRST YEAR CHAOS !!!!!!! !!!
CFP hosted by (and CFP committee makes money from) ESPN, ESPN has contract with (and makes money from) .......SEC. Mmmmmmm.... conclusion, CFP committee makes more money (KICKBACK) from ESPN when more SEC teams are watched, the more important the game the more the money. Follow the money. When all is said and done there is going to be at least 2 SEC teams in the final four, it makes economic sense for ESPN. Remember, Alabama got beat by a three loss Ole Miss team.
Alabama also has 3 blowout wins against top 10 teams. Everyone in America says Alabama is playing better than anyone right now. You might wanna hop on board.
Actually the SEC has a contract with CBS, not ESPN. That's why CBS ONLY airs SEC games especially during prime hours. And their sports casters/analysts are heavily biased when talking about football.
Colin speaks the truth and so does the other guy, and that's why ESPN got rid of Colin because they couldn't handle the truth and they are a big part in the bullshit rankings
Though there is a lot of truth to what he is saying and I do appreciate him bringing this information to the forefront, there is still reason to believe that big 12 defenses are subpar. I know this example is getting a little too far away on the timeline, but bear with me. Oklahoma in 2008, at the time, set the record for most points scored in a season. They go into the national title team against a defense that was great, but not historic by any means and only score 14. I don't feel like listing other examples but the big 12 fairly regularly gets exposed in bowl games and don't score near as many points.
Playoff Committee: Baylor doesn't make the playoff because they did not win their conference championship and that carries a lot of weight Also Playoff Committee: *Ohio State doesn't even play in b10 championship* Conference championships aren't important
I disgaree with him about defense. Sure the big 12 has more possessions, but that's because the defense allows them to play fast and can't get off the field. Although I am glad he brought up points per possession. I would like to see NCAA and NFL keep track of that like the NBA. I don't think the SEC or Big 10 would be as good on defense if they played in the Big 12.
College Football Playoff is great concept, but the committee has SO many flaws. Aside from the obvious bias toward SEC and Big 10, the committee has gone out of its way to say that conference championships and head to head games matter a great deal in the decision making process. Yet, somehow, they put Ohio State in the playoff ahead of Penn State who beat them head to head and won the Big 10.
So Fox Sports and FS1 cover games in the Big 12 and the Pac 12, and Joel Klatt who works for this network and covers these games doesn't like the rankings of the teams in the Big 12 and Pac 12. Definitely no bias there or anything like that
What if all these teams with 0 1 or 2 losses stopped inflating their numbers by playing such garbage teams and started playing each other during the regular season? You'll never be able to fairly choose 4 teams out of 8 when they all have almost the same record.
Andrew George OU played Ohio State, Clemson played Auburn, Miami played Notre Dame, Georgia played Notre Dame, Notre Dame played USC, Alabama played Mercer..wait throw that out because it don't count
when Alabama can hold a one dimensional team with a Heisman candidate to zero points while scoring 59 with a 3rd string QB, then I'll believe they have a better defense. go play Charleston SOUTHERN and tell us how badass the SEC schedule is. @@
+lepair27 with great defense, you don't need a whole lot of offensive production. with both you can keep your defense off the field against teams like Oregon... or TCU... or ole Miss.
What makes this such "All Time Great Listening" is the way the SEC haters bloviate this noise in the regular season and then go silent when they have egg on their faces and the CFB Playoff committee is proven right yet again in the end. There's no SEC Conspiracy Theory. Those boys down there in the South just know how to play football the way it's supposed to be played: tough, physical, strong, fast, stamina, endurance, and proper fundamentals & discipline. Not by playing basketball on grass like we see here where I live- in the West. It just doesn't work guys. It's entertaining, but it won't ever win us anything. Not that I'm much of a college fan anyway; I'm a NFL guy. It just aggravatess me when so many of the people I'm friends with & watch games with start calling it a "SEC conspiracy theory" when their teams lose and the SEC teams win. All offseason all you hear is "The SEC is so overrated. They can't beat teams who have high powered offenses. They won't ever win another national title now that they have to go through the playoffs and not have ESPN just insert them into the BCS Championship Game right after the end of the season". Then week 1 comes and the SEC clean sweeps all of their big, premier non-conference opponents from all the other Power 5 conferences. The reaction? "That's bullshit. The refs give them all the calls. It's fixed, just so the SEC can win". Never mind the fact these games are officiated by non-SEC referees. Then the postseason rolls around and the SEC literally breaks the record(one they set by the way) for the best postseason bowl performance in NCAA history by going 9-2 and producing the national champion. The response? False indifference; they've already moved on to basketball and feign a lack of interest in college football. Typical.
How is that flawed points per possession stat looking now? Like I said months ago big 12 defenses are a joke period. You can dig up whatever stat you want to try to argue otherwise but turn on the film and all you see are missed tackles, blown coverage, lack of physicality upfront, undisciplined play. It was all there to see but people think because some paid shill like Klatt was scouring every stat he could find trying to find some arguing point to validate his bias that Big 12 defenses were legit. Well they all got lit up in the bowls and all looked terrible in the process. Fact is this year the defenses were garbage. The film did not lie. Offensive coaches from other conferences probably turned on the tape and started salivating at the thought of all the numbers they were gonna put up lol. I'm all for analytics but analytics do not out weigh what you see on film in football. They are only there to justify what you are already seeing. But if the numbers don't back up what you see on film (as was his flawed points per possession stat) then you go with what you see on film. The eye in the sky doesn't lie. The film said the defenses in the Big 12 were garbage. Joey Galloway called out the Big 12 about their terrible defenses from damn near day one and he was 100% right. I would have loved to have seen Klatt get schooled by Galloway in a debate. Klatt talking numbers and Galloway is like well explain why this team just missed ten tackles on this one play then lol
+Mitch Rapp I will support whoever comes out on top of the Big 12. Hopefully, it will be my Cowboys. However, when I hear ESPN analysts say that four one-loss teams from the SEC and Big 10 have a better chance of making the Playoff than an undefeated Big 12 team I become quite annoyed. Honestly, I am just sick of the committee pissing all over the Big 12 and treating the conference as if it were a JV league. I say bring back the computer polls that were used during the BCS era.
+Rich Gerow I agree and what's more is this way of thinking is completely unwarranted. TCU shredded the "best defense" last year. OU whooped Bama in the Sugar Bowl and Baylor was dominating MSU until the 4th quarter. These teams' supposed great defense were not doing any better than any other teams had been doing all year in the Big XII.
You can't possibly think Iowa is one of the best 4. Absolutely zero reason to believe that at this point. It they somehow make the playoff, you'll see what I mean when they lose by 30.
Why is Baylor not ranked the same as Ohio State when they have the same resume? Oh i don't know maybe it was the national championship they won last year or maybe its because Baylors heisman potential quaterback broke his neck. Just easy observations these professionals somehow seem to overlook.
Thats the thing, last year isn't irrelevant. Sure its irrelevant in how the team actually plays, but as a committee they cannot have ohio state outside their top 4 after winning a national title last year with a similar resume, then looking like they have a similar season the next year
+Ryan Grady This isnt the AP or the BCS, one of the major things the committee pointed out was they weren't going to take into account last year results in the current year rankings. I think people in general rolled their eyes in disbelief but the problem still exist, OSU has struggled against teams it should dominate. This isnt just about Baylor, I'm fine with Okie State currently being ranked ahead of Baylor and i think most objective fans were expecting it. To have 2 Big12 teams ranked not only behind a couple 1 loss teams but well behind Ohio State when they havent beaten a single ranked team is ridiculous and just shows the bias the committee is working with.
+bufoot19 im pretty sure baylor hasnt played a team with a winning record this year? With that being said, i think they were and would have been much better with the guy they had before he broke his neck. I do think that Notre Dame shouldn't be ranked ahead of these teams, and i think Baylor and OK State have a chance at the end of the year to prove themselves playing, for the first time all year, a difficult schedule. Baylor has one of the easiest schedules in the country, and that doesn't mean they are bad by any margin. But it means that when you beat a Kansas state team by 7, who lost to Oklahoma 55-0, it may raise some eyebrows about how important the old qb was. Now lets say baylor, iowa, ok state, any of them win out, they will make it to the playoffs as they should. Every team in the playoffs except Notre Dame has to still prove themselves against a top 10 team, and i think that will tell us who deserves to make it. Yes they shouldn't use last year to make decisions for this year, but its impossible to not consider Ohio State couldn't do the same thing they did last year. Also they still have to play Iowa so they have to prove themselves in that sense.
+Ryan Grady this again just shows the perception changes depending on the name on the front of the jersey. We should be looking at the 7 point road win over Kstate the same as the OU 7 point road win over 5-4 Tenn or how about the 7 point loss to 4-5 Texas. Kstate isnt a bad team, they've shown they can play with both Baylor and TCU but they have 5 losses right now because they had to play the top 4 teams in the conference at the beginning of the season. When Baylor gets a 28 point win its ignored and discounted as the conference being weak and they havent played anyone, when they get a 7 point win on the road in a game that was never in question people start saying that Baylor is in trouble. Baylor has had the easiest schedule in the top 6 to this point but will go into the last 4 games with the 4th toughest. Baylor cant control how other teams will play or how the conference will schedule games, the only thing they can do is beat the teams on the schedule and yes we can beat the dead horse about its OOC. Doesnt change the fact that they play 9 P5 games and play every team in the conference. When the SEC and B1G get a 7 point win over a weaker opponent either at home or on the road (i.e. Florida/Vandy or Bama/Tenn) its because the conference is deep from top to bottom, regardless of whether the stats actually show that or not. It's always possible any team within the top 10-15 could string some wins together at the end of the season and make a push. That doesnt change Baylor and tOSU have similar schedules, with zero wins against ranked teams and somehow tOSU is 3 and Baylor is 6, while Baylor has been dominant and tOSU has struggled against middle of the road teams.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Annnnnd there it is.
Thumbs up for the x-files music.
The best proof is TCU winning 55-3 and then dropping from 3 to 6 and not making the playoff.
+ROSSDABOSS Agreed and the same rationale supports Baylor's position as well.
+ROSSDABOSS Their 55-3 win didn't hurt them. Not playing a conference championship game the next week is what hurt them. While they had the last week off, FSU and OSU won their conferences, and that's what put them over TCU. The CFP is flawed though. They need to make it as transparent as possible as to what gets you in. Everyone join a conference, win your conference, and you're in. Something along those lines.
+ROSSDABOSS Ummm, you do recall that 55-3 win was over a 2-10 Iowa St. do you not? I don't care who you are, a 55-3 win over a crappy team is in no way gonna be more impressive than a 59-0 win over a 10-win team for a conference championship, like Ohio St. had.
but look at what they did to ole miss in the peach bowl.
+ROSSDABOSS sure they did, but we didn't know they were gonna do that before the bowl game. We're talking about what TCU had done to get into the CFP.
my god... it makes sense
That was genius
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SEC and BIG 10 have 68 national championships combined...... Big 12 and PAC 12 have 26. Maybe that's why the committee doesn't like them.
christopher D. But history shouldn't define who gets to play for the national championship.
Chase Dimmer exactly
Chase Dimmer I'm a UT fan. But we OBVIOUSLY should not have been #23 in the country. Bias got us that spot.
Chase Dimmer By the time the playoff rankings or the old BCS ranking came out to actually determine the championship teams, enough has been proven to defend them placing them in though. When an Alabama and Ohio State has gone undefeated or maybe 1 loss, it's easy to put them in because they have a history of being good. When Oklahoma State has one loss, they're dropped completely, despite dominating another Big 12 team offensively and defensively (2011).
But the Big 10 and SEC do have a track record of good football, meanwhile the Big 12 has a track record of terrible defense, which may or may not contribute to their track record of amazing offense.
that's exactly what a bias is, how can you win championships if you constantly get edged out by the NCAA.
In the LSU/Alabama game, the Alabama D defended 42 plays. In the OSU/TCU game, OSU defended 110. So the OSU defense essentially played 2 and a half games compared to Alabama. This is not uncommon and it's why there's a misconception about weak defenses in the B12. B12 defenses aren't weak, they just play more than twice the football that the SEC does and therefore give up more points. It aint rocket surgery, but SEC fans and the committee still can't grasp the concept. That's why B12 fans have been crying foul about SEC bias. Because the stats being used actually create the bias.
+sonny0888 i agree with you, also almost every SEC team lost their bowl game last year to the hands of "NONE SEC TEAMS" but the media wants us to forget about that, and started this year off with the SEC is better than everyone else bais they talk every year.
+thesprintmaster The committee will start every year with the impression that the SEC is the best conference and Alabama is the best team. And until they lose (multiple times) and prove otherwise their rankings will reflect that belief. And maybe it's not so much conference bias as it is program bias. Teams with a long winning history will be favored over all others. Jeff long proves it every time he opens his mouth and contradicts himself in trying to justify the rankings. It's a double standard. Some teams have to prove they belong in the top while others have to prove they don't. That much is clear. Oklahoma State clearly proved their worth vs TCU, yet Ohio St (and Baylor) remains unfazed after playing nobody. Jeff long literally said they just "believe" those teams are great with no evidence to back that up so they get the better rankings until they prove they don't belong. It's inexplicable.
+sonny0888 points per play is a horrible metric. try points per possession and then try again.
+lepair27 I said nothing about points per play. Learn to read and try again.
+sonny0888 you listed the number of plays, I read between the lines. It's very similar to what all these Big 12 fans are doing with these college football conspiracies.
That's why TCU didn't make the playoff in 2014🤔
The other teams went through a conference championship game, there for having one more win...
Even though TCU should've had Florida states spot.
Nicholas Jewell Not exactly. But I ain't hating on TCU
Dillan Brown How? FSU was the only undefeated team that year...
Kaleb Because FSU played absolutely nobody, and they barely won every game. Thats why they got completely embarrassed in the playoff.
And as for the BCS championships, if you won the SEC you automatically got a trip to the title game, so they may have contributed to championships
Not even if you won it. Alabama went to the BCS Championship without even going to the SEC Championship. Remember LSU vs Alabama in the BCS Championship Game.
Josh Callaway Auburn in 2004 went 13 - 0 and didn't go to the title game
The truth has been spoken. Just disappointing how the committee only thinks that the SEC and Big 10 matters and count anything bad that they do as no big deal, whether it be a loss or NCAA violation. A change needs to be made to give everyone a fair chance.
I agree
Nope...
This is easy to explain:
The majority of the Country live east of the Mississippi.
Its funny how Klatt is pointing out facts, but Cowherd is treating this like it is a joke.....
The committee likes the SEC and the B1G because they play winning football. In both those conferences teams that play the fast spread-type offenses don't do well. In the B1G, Indiana, Maryland, Rutgers, and now Nebraska all are trying to play the spread, and they have middling to below .500 records. OSU, MSU, Iowa, UM, PSU and Wisconsin all play pro-style offenses, with hard-nosed defenses. OSU has a mix of offensive schemes, but they are undoubtedly a run-first, set up the pass team, just like in a regular pro-style offense. Now on to my point, All the pro-style offenses have winning records, and dominate all the other competition. I use the B1G as an example because I'm a die-hard Spartan fan, and I know the conference, in general, better than the SEC. With that said, Go Green, beat the Hawkeyes!
+Rick Gutkowski the committee likes teams that are strong in the trenches on both sides of the ball. OSU is not a pro style offense. They run a spread attack and run tempo. But they dominate teams up front on both sides. The committee likes that because historically in college football (really in football period) the teams who dominate the line of scrimmage are the ones who win in these big games. That's why despite all their fireworks Oregon could never get over the hump of winning a championship. They always ran into teams that were big and mean upfront and could control the line and wreck their plays.
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO MAKE THKS CONNECTION BECAUSE IVE ALWAYS KNEW THIS WAS HAPPENING BUT NEVER COULD FIND THE CONNECTION BETTWEEN EVERYTHING
What connection?
University of Oklahoma v Alabama.....nuff said. If Bama is forced to play up tempo, Saban screams... Outlaw it!!
+David Funk Then he hires Lane Kiffin and played uptempo last year when he had Sims and Amari Cooper.
+David Funk
It wasn't the tempo that really killed that team btw... Alabama has always had the defensive guys to keep fresh, and high enough caliber to keep up in position. Case in point? Last year, when a really high tempo offense like A&M comes to town. 69-0 thumping. It takes much more than tempo. It takes the matchups and skill to exploit the tough Alabama secondary. It can be done, and that is how Trevor Knight beat them (and they also underestimated him beforehand).
They have proven they match up in place for the tempo. Even getting a few first downs, and using the tempo - they have proven they aren't out of position and can get a stop. To beat bama, you have to play well each play.
Please beat Bama in the playoffs. I am rooting for Oklahoma and Clemson should they beat UNC and Iowa or Michigan ST (whoever wins the conference).
+David Funk as I recall a few years ago an SEC team had to start the year playing against an up tempo team. A very impressive, at the time, Oregon! So LSU and Oregon. As I recall it was the SEC defensive vice that shut down that high octane, up tempo enterprise. SEC not so great in this 2015 year, agreed! But they have and will continue to be defensive minded and have proven in the past that they can shut them down. Even Florida against Oklahoma. Their D was as a rabid gator chomping down on the sooners and I remember seeing the look of utter desolation on the face of Sam Bradford, seeing what they were doing to him. Everyone said it could not happen, sooners played way to many plays per game almost every 3 seconds and kept scoring. You big 12 fans keep parroting the same song and the SEC keeps disproving your facts! Do not get me wrong, am a sooner fan and hope they are the ones on top this year and hope they play Bama for it. And if they win it will be well deserved!!!
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Smart observation about the points per possession in the big 12.
The only thing that can justify this SEC bias is recruiting. Those teams by and large do recruit better and have more talent on the field, but outside of that this SEC nuthugging is nonsense.
That's a flawed stat. Good defenses play fewer possessions by default because they get more stops.
+AlphaDwg If you have a high efficiency offense that scores quick. Your defense will be on the field more. How often the other team possesses the ball has nothing to do with the defense.
+Colban Laffery your defense does have something to do with how many possessions they play. All three phases of the game plays a part. It's called complimentary football. If your defense is effecient your offense will get the ball more. To say one has "nothing" to do with the other is flat out wrong. If you look at defensive efficiency numbers only two big 12 teams rank in the top 20. And yes defensive efficiency does factor in points per possession. But you don't even need to be a math major to see that Big 12 defenses are bad. Just watch the games. Players running wide open with no one within 10 yards. Missed tackles all over the place. Any defense that gives up 50 points is not a good defense no matter what style of play. It's the same thing that SEC teams say about their offenses. Oh we play good defenses in a defensive league. Um no your offenses and especially your quarterbacks suck.
Im not saying the big 12 defenses are good. But a good defense that gets a 3 and out every possession will still get a crap ton of possessions per game if an offense scores in 2min.
+AlphaDwg I'm still trying to figure out where this "QB play in the SEC sucks" rationale comes from? Last I checked the SEC has had 4 Heisman candidates in the past 5 years, 2 of whom actually won the Heisman, and 3 QB's this year alone that rank in the top 25 in passing yards. Makes no sense to me, I mean it's not like other conferences are churning out a murderer's row of QBs every year themselves.
There just needs to be an 8 team playoff. I personally think there are usually about 5 or 6 teams (at most), by the end of the year, that have the talent to be national champions. Since a 6 team playoff isn't possible, an 8 team would be the next best thing. And this gives even the more umlikely teams a chance. 4 teams can work. Some seasons only 2 teams deviate from the rest by a lot. But, there are too many instances where I feel number 5 or even 6 has a good enough team.
At the end of the day if you give up 50+ points in a game you are a bad defense. Oklahoma St's defense isn't very good. Neither is TCU's. Oklahoma has a real defense. Baylor's defense is ok too. But don't try to tell me that Texas Tech, Oklahoma St and TCU play good defense. I'd like to see stats on the amount of big plays these defenses give up and percentage of missed tackles, blown coverages, and third down stops. Just using one stat to validate Big 12 defenses rings hallow.
Just look at the last AP poll in 2014 to disprove this theory. Oregon is ranked higher by the committee than in the AP poll.
There was no playoff in 2014 wtf
+Connor Leahy the BCS was even more corrupt...
+Connor Leahy Are you fucking stupid.
There was a playoff OSU won the national championship.
Dillan Brown OSU won in 2015 numb nuts
they should have a playoff like the NFL but that will never happen
Wes Hardin Too many teams to have a working system like the NFL has.
Jack take all the power 5 conference champions and have 1 wild card spot. The 2 top ranked teams get a first round bye 3 seed plays 6. 4 seed plays 5. Next round the lowest seed left plays the 1 seed and the other plays the 2 seed. I don’t see why they don’t do this. With this format no conference can claim bias and a group of 5 team like UCF could even get in
@@Imactuallynighthawk I know this is an old comment, but I like your idea. I do prefer though, an 8 team bracket with all 5 power 5 conf champs and top ranked group of 5 as auto qualifiers, and have 2 at large bids for teams to fight over. Maybe use the selection committee to pick those last 2, or next 2 highest ranked that are left, or something.
I agree it's this the PAC 12 and the BIG 12 are extremely underrated while the SEC is always getting more than what they deserve
Cade Westrich Yes my friend, HE IS RISEN, and his 2nd coming is very soon. God bless.
I love this. Two very different styles of play from east and west coast. West coast doesn't get the recognition they deserve.
Isaac Pina well west coast kids and teams are soft
USC is ranked 3rd
Even as an Alabama fan, he has a point!
Nailed it.
It went from east of the Mississippi to football schematics? TIN FOIL HATS ON!
They just need to make it 8 teams
No, we need a 16 team playoff. Teams that win their conference get an automatic spot, the other spots would then be filled by teams voted by a committee. That way, all of the playoff teams combined have played every single team in division 1 football. No controversy. No way of a deserving team being left out...
+Harambe ^This. This is what I said since before they introduced the playoffs.
Why should a team ever go undefeated and not get a chance to prove they're the best? I understand strength of schedule and all that, but come on, at some point you need to widen the pool and give other school some publicity so it isn't always the same 5 schools competing for the championship.
8 team playoff i understand, but 16 is too far i think. Ppl only care about who the best team in the country is. Not who's 3rd or 8th or w.e. Alot of years, i can see a 6th or 7th ap poll team beating bama/OSU, but never do I see a 15th ranked team winning the NC. Plus, you'd be asking some amateur athletes to play potentially 17
games a season. That's alot for someone straight out of HS.
no. 16 is way too many. 8 is the absolute most without watering down the product
Andrew Radakovitz if u do 8 rounds then #9 complain then to a 16# then 17 gets mad its a endless circle so i say 4 is good
that points per possession stat at the end is so flawed lol
It's literally factual. Nothing flawed about it.
+Workin0nit I never said it was wrong. The stat is very much true. What's flawed is how he is using it to make excuses for the bad defenses in the Big 12.
+AlphaDwg but you are ignoring the facts. The point is the Big 12 and the Pac 12 DONT have bad defenses... They just have more plays run against them in the course of a game. So totals/points/yards all LOOK worse than in the SEC. But the SEC, on average, gave up MORE points per play against them. Making the point that the SEC defense was actually worse than the Big 12.
+Garrett “GZ12” Z yes they do. The get blown off the ball can't stop the run or pass from the first snap. Watch the games. Look at the blown coverages, the missed tackles. They play bad defense in the Big 12. The pac12 is different. You don't see the pathetic attempt at tackling you see in the big 12 in the pac 12.
+Garrett “GZ12” Z looks like bowl season proved me right. The film doesn't lie. Big 12 teams were terrible at defense this season. Down right pathetic. Using one flawed stat to validate Klatt's bias was a joke. Colin should have questioned him harder because I heard it and was um I'm sorry but what I see on film doesn't back up anything you are saying lol
Big ten and SEC are just better conferences
Cringe
the Big 12 has played 0 defense in the past 10 years
did you not watch the video
cq147 no
Ben Adkins you must not have watched the SEC this past year as a whole conference 🤓😂
TCU was the best team in the first year of the playoffs. Of course it's rigged big time.
I hope that now after the fact they can admit that the committee got it right. Just looking back on the bowls and the way it worked out, they put the best 4 teams in the playoffs which is what it's all about
Guys you need to look at this particular game (OKSTvsTCU) and why this stat of having a similar points/possession to the Bama/LSU game actually holds up. These big 12 teams actually played almost no defense. The only reason TCU was held out of the inzone, and thus Oklahoma State gave up zero points on those possessions lowering their points per possession allowed, is because Boykin threw interceptions deep in the red zone after they had gained 50+ yards on those possessions. Giving up 29 points isn't too bad, but giving up 663 yards is horrrrrendous and that needs to be looked at. There is a lot of truth to the common belief that the big 12 doesn't play defense. Just wait until the postseason.
So Ole Miss beat Oklahoma State 48-20 because the $EC is overrated and the Big-12 actually plays sound defense.
Ok, got it.
+Christian Cunningham his points per possession stat is a joke. No coach is looking at that stat saying yup we only gave up 70 points in 15 possession we play great defense lol. Classic example of someone letting their bias cloud their mind of any logic smh.
Colin is 100% entertainment value at this point.
For NINE straight years a team from east of the Mississippi River has won the National Title. Win one and then the rest of us might listen to your incessant whining.
+Eric Winter Provide a fair system to allow other teams to play for a championship instead of hand picking who plays in the championship game. Both the BCS and CFP rely on bias decisions on who plays in the championship game instead of letting the teams play it out on the field. Last year was proof when TCU and Baylor were both 11-1 and missed the playoff spots even though their stats were better than the 1 loss teams in the top 4.
+Eric Winter 2011 Ok. State was playing after the most devastating incident ever in college sports, and lost, they were unfocused and mentally out of it. LSU gets the nod, why? Because the SEC is favored no matter of sympathy or human empathy for the victims and people mourning.
That helps me understand why Baylor or TCU didn't get in last year and I thought part of it was that Baylor and TCU aren't the traditional big 12 powers u think of so they put in Ohio state because they had a long winning tradition unlike TCU and Baylor who really have only been winning in recent years.
No, they don't get in, because they don't get a conference championship, so they have one fewer wins than say the Big 10, or SEC...
After watching the Ohio State vs Clemson (2019 Fiesta bowl) game this past Saturday night, I'm beginning to wonder...
That is because the offense moves faster in the west... the numbers are the speed and score are different but it is inflated by speed of the game... interesting stuff but really not ground breaking
at this point in the season, the committee knew(based on most likely having a 1 loss team) the Big Ten would get 1 team in thus ranked in the top four. The committee also knew Baylor and Oklahoma State would handle who was better on the field. The committee also has indicated the Big 12 should get a championship game(I disagree). Pac 12 got a 1 loss team in the playoff last year and Stanford would of been in the top four with 1 loss. Also, Baylor had an injured starting quarterback and did not play a power 5 non conference game-same goes for Oklahoma State. Yes Va Tech was not good this year but most years Va Tech is a borderline top 25 team, if not better. Alabama scheduled Wisconsin. Clemson played UND and South Carolina. If Oklahoma had not scheduled Tennessee, Oklahoma would be the first team out if there were four other 1 loss teams(Stanford or UND only having 1 loss). I firmly believe 2015 final four teams are not as strong as the 2014 final four teams-outside of Ohio State which will be left out of the playoffs unless Florida can upset Bama which is impossible because Florida couldn't score 14 pts on a JV HS football team.
Never heard of Joel Klatt before but I love him after pulling out that Usual Suspects reference
Just stumbled upon this video from two years ago and I'd say it's still applicable. The purest's love make it seem like the regular season ultimately dictates who makes the final cut, but as we witnessed last season when Penn State defeated Ohio State, the final cut is still influenced by biased opinions and always has been.
why isn't the committee just every conference director? or like 2 representatives from each conference?
+Nathan French Because that would be fair and they dont do fair
+Nathan French +Mitch Rapp haha bruh, fair bullshit aint nobody fair in the committee.
The reason they favor them is because the only conferences that are worth a dang are the sec and the big 10 and the best is clearly the SEC
Wow someone who covers the PAC-12 and Big 12 crying conspiracy. Shocker.
lol ikr, when he said he was using "100% facts" I was like, dude u work for fox you're credibility went completely out the door when u opened you're mouth.
bigroyndahauz Joel klatt covers big 10.. and covers mainly Ohio state games..
of course they like sec and big 10
the worst sec west team would be the best Pac 12 team
Jon Turner Man Auburn could probably beat Stanford if it was at home
Wow, never thought if this. Very true when you look at it.
Interesting theory, but it doesn't hold weight. Klatt talks about the bias for the "phone booth football" played East of the Mississippi and the Eastern bias of the committee's two most influential members, Barry Alvarez & Tom Osbourne. The quickest, most glaring error: Osborne lives/coached in Nebraska, 350 West of the Mississippi & coached in the Big 6/8/XII for 30+ years, even though the Huskers are now part of the B1G. It's a stretch to say he's going to totally disregard his former conference.
The second problem is only a few highly ranked Eastern teams play "phone booth football". Yes, the Top 5 teams are from Eastern conferences, but Clemson, Ohio State, and Notre Dame are all fast, spread teams. Yes, Oklahoma State & Baylor are undefeated and outside the top 5, but according to S&P+, they've played the 105th & 122nd schedules in the nation. Everything will work itself out by the end of the year.
+Tom McCarthy Osborne destroyed the Big 12 on the way out the door, believe me, he totally disregards it.
TSipper 99 I did not know that. I take that point back then. I still don't believe in the "conspiracy" against the Western teams though
I think the crimson tide are the only team in the SEC that is able to avoid this bias by consistently meeting their highest expectations. All the other teams in the SEC are super suspect in terms of how well they stack up with the creme of the crop from other conferences.
hmmm wonder why they would think this? Maybe because they broadcast the two worst conferences the b12 & pac 12. When your best team has a minimum two losses and all of your top teams have ooc losses, your "biased" argument is pretty mute (pac 12.)
We don't have an good committee and well we need to change up the committee and be fair to all college football teams. CFB favours blowohio and the SEC so much!
I would LOVE to see any of them western teams play Mich st. Mich Iowa or Ohio state. I think it would shut these guys up
The big 10 stays losing in the rose bowl. Shut up
Yeah he's not cookie madookie
So let me make sure I understand the narrative here:"The BCS system is biased towards the SEC, we should have a playoff system like they don in the NFL!"*Gets 4-team playoff system*"The CFP is biased towards the SEC & B10 (never mind the fact that the ACC is playing the playoffs 2 years in a row as well and Oregon represented the Pac 12 last year), they should make everything fair!"LMAO seriously?
yet the question still is can a pac-12 or big-12 defense stop a derrick henry, fournette, elliot, or dalvin cook in a game for 4 quarters or could they move the ball against a florida, bama, ole miss, indiana, ohio state, or iowa defense. on the other hand everyone saying the SEC doesn't have up tempo teams must not know about tennessee, texas a&m, mississippi state, ole miss, mizzou, auburn, and now florida (and even alabama).
+Ace Boogie a lot of teams have up tempo offenses in the SEC it's the quarterback play that has been bad this year. But you can't deny it is a down year for the SEC. But at the same time anyone who tries to argue that they play defense in the Big 12 because of one obscure stat that is only used as part of more complex metrics is a fool or a paid shill like Klatt
+Ace Boogie the answer is no as was proven in the bowls. Points per possession is a hallow stat. The film doesn't lie. Anyone who turned on the tape saw that big 12 defenses were garbage.
TCU WAS BY FAR THE BEST TEAM IN NCAA FOOTBALL IN THE 1ST YEAR OF PLAYOFFS. PS. I AM A BAMA FAN , BORN AND RAISED IN CHEATING MIDWEST STATE, MICHIGAN. THE $ Wasnt coming in, the committee was dominated by Big 10 members and led by BarryAlvarez and Tom Osbourne ! Suck it ..........SEC RULES AND ALWAYS WILL EVEN IF YOU TOOK ADVANTAGE OF FIRST YEAR CHAOS !!!!!!! !!!
CFP hosted by (and CFP committee makes money from) ESPN, ESPN has contract with (and makes money from) .......SEC. Mmmmmmm.... conclusion, CFP committee makes more money (KICKBACK) from ESPN when more SEC teams are watched, the more important the game the more the money. Follow the money. When all is said and done there is going to be at least 2 SEC teams in the final four, it makes economic sense for ESPN. Remember, Alabama got beat by a three loss Ole Miss team.
Alabama also has 3 blowout wins against top 10 teams. Everyone in America says Alabama is playing better than anyone right now. You might wanna hop on board.
Actually the SEC has a contract with CBS, not ESPN. That's why CBS ONLY airs SEC games especially during prime hours. And their sports casters/analysts are heavily biased when talking about football.
+Workin0nit Did you forget about the SEC network.
Remember Alabama shoutout Michigan State 38-0
Colin speaks the truth and so does the other guy, and that's why ESPN got rid of Colin because they couldn't handle the truth and they are a big part in the bullshit rankings
How's those words looking now?
Though there is a lot of truth to what he is saying and I do appreciate him bringing this information to the forefront, there is still reason to believe that big 12 defenses are subpar. I know this example is getting a little too far away on the timeline, but bear with me. Oklahoma in 2008, at the time, set the record for most points scored in a season. They go into the national title team against a defense that was great, but not historic by any means and only score 14. I don't feel like listing other examples but the big 12 fairly regularly gets exposed in bowl games and don't score near as many points.
Playoff Committee: Baylor doesn't make the playoff because they did not win their conference championship and that carries a lot of weight
Also Playoff Committee: *Ohio State doesn't even play in b10 championship* Conference championships aren't important
that is why we need to reform the national playoff
Joel Klatt for POTUS!!!
This isn’t even really a theory though. It’s a fact.
I disgaree with him about defense. Sure the big 12 has more possessions, but that's because the defense allows them to play fast and can't get off the field. Although I am glad he brought up points per possession. I would like to see NCAA and NFL keep track of that like the NBA. I don't think the SEC or Big 10 would be as good on defense if they played in the Big 12.
And when Sec big 10 and acc play each other it's a good game
The playoff committee did show they knew something by having Ohio state in the first playoffs as the four seed who won it all.
College Football Playoff is great concept, but the committee has SO many flaws. Aside from the obvious bias toward SEC and Big 10, the committee has gone out of its way to say that conference championships and head to head games matter a great deal in the decision making process. Yet, somehow, they put Ohio State in the playoff ahead of Penn State who beat them head to head and won the Big 10.
Bay is Bae Penn State shouldn't have won the big ten anyways
The same trend would be seen from the point of the view. Showing the bias of the polls from the wedt
So Fox Sports and FS1 cover games in the Big 12 and the Pac 12, and Joel Klatt who works for this network and covers these games doesn't like the rankings of the teams in the Big 12 and Pac 12. Definitely no bias there or anything like that
He's right
This is true honestly. And I'm an Indiana fan so I Root for the big ten
The comity just seems biased to me all the time
What if all these teams with 0 1 or 2 losses stopped inflating their numbers by playing such garbage teams and started playing each other during the regular season? You'll never be able to fairly choose 4 teams out of 8 when they all have almost the same record.
Andrew George OU played Ohio State, Clemson played Auburn, Miami played Notre Dame, Georgia played Notre Dame, Notre Dame played USC, Alabama played Mercer..wait throw that out because it don't count
I just refuse to believe that the OSU/TCU game was better defensively than the LSU/Bama game. Use whatever stats you want. It's just not true.
when Alabama can hold a one dimensional team with a Heisman candidate to zero points while scoring 59 with a 3rd string QB, then I'll believe they have a better defense. go play Charleston SOUTHERN and tell us how badass the SEC schedule is. @@
+SGobuck not sure what Alabama's offensive production has to do with defense. It's obvious you don't know what you're talking about. We're done here.
+lepair27 with great defense, you don't need a whole lot of offensive production. with both you can keep your defense off the field against teams like Oregon... or TCU... or ole Miss.
+lepair27 you've been done.
+SGobuck We play Charleston Southern after beating the number 2 and number 17 team respectively, good luck against Sparty.
What makes this such "All Time Great Listening" is the way the SEC haters bloviate this noise in the regular season and then go silent when they have egg on their faces and the CFB Playoff committee is proven right yet again in the end. There's no SEC Conspiracy Theory. Those boys down there in the South just know how to play football the way it's supposed to be played: tough, physical, strong, fast, stamina, endurance, and proper fundamentals & discipline. Not by playing basketball on grass like we see here where I live- in the West. It just doesn't work guys. It's entertaining, but it won't ever win us anything. Not that I'm much of a college fan anyway; I'm a NFL guy. It just aggravatess me when so many of the people I'm friends with & watch games with start calling it a "SEC conspiracy theory" when their teams lose and the SEC teams win. All offseason all you hear is "The SEC is so overrated. They can't beat teams who have high powered offenses. They won't ever win another national title now that they have to go through the playoffs and not have ESPN just insert them into the BCS Championship Game right after the end of the season". Then week 1 comes and the SEC clean sweeps all of their big, premier non-conference opponents from all the other Power 5 conferences. The reaction? "That's bullshit. The refs give them all the calls. It's fixed, just so the SEC can win". Never mind the fact these games are officiated by non-SEC referees. Then the postseason rolls around and the SEC literally breaks the record(one they set by the way) for the best postseason bowl performance in NCAA history by going 9-2 and producing the national champion. The response? False indifference; they've already moved on to basketball and feign a lack of interest in college football. Typical.
How is that flawed points per possession stat looking now? Like I said months ago big 12 defenses are a joke period. You can dig up whatever stat you want to try to argue otherwise but turn on the film and all you see are missed tackles, blown coverage, lack of physicality upfront, undisciplined play. It was all there to see but people think because some paid shill like Klatt was scouring every stat he could find trying to find some arguing point to validate his bias that Big 12 defenses were legit. Well they all got lit up in the bowls and all looked terrible in the process. Fact is this year the defenses were garbage. The film did not lie. Offensive coaches from other conferences probably turned on the tape and started salivating at the thought of all the numbers they were gonna put up lol. I'm all for analytics but analytics do not out weigh what you see on film in football. They are only there to justify what you are already seeing. But if the numbers don't back up what you see on film (as was his flawed points per possession stat) then you go with what you see on film. The eye in the sky doesn't lie. The film said the defenses in the Big 12 were garbage. Joey Galloway called out the Big 12 about their terrible defenses from damn near day one and he was 100% right. I would have loved to have seen Klatt get schooled by Galloway in a debate. Klatt talking numbers and Galloway is like well explain why this team just missed ten tackles on this one play then lol
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Yes he is right but when big12 and PAC-12 play acc big 10 and sec they get walloped
But OU beat Auburn handily in their Bowl last year and K-State beat TAMU, so who got walloped last year?
I agree
LMAO he bashes people for cherry picking by cherry picking himself.
Just keep winning, Baylor. Sic' em
+Mitch Rapp I will support whoever comes out on top of the Big 12. Hopefully, it will be my Cowboys. However, when I hear ESPN analysts say that four one-loss teams from the SEC and Big 10 have a better chance of making the Playoff than an undefeated Big 12 team I become quite annoyed. Honestly, I am just sick of the committee pissing all over the Big 12 and treating the conference as if it were a JV league. I say bring back the computer polls that were used during the BCS era.
+Rich Gerow I agree and what's more is this way of thinking is completely unwarranted. TCU shredded the "best defense" last year. OU whooped Bama in the Sugar Bowl and Baylor was dominating MSU until the 4th quarter. These teams' supposed great defense were not doing any better than any other teams had been doing all year in the Big XII.
+Busty McNutters Baylor did not dominate. they had one good quarter and sparty beat their ass the entire second half.
SGobuck
MSU 14 0 7 21
BAY 14 10 17 0
A 17-7 Baylor run in 3Q?
Baylor beat or matched MSU in every quarter of that game EXCEPT the 4th quarter
+Busty McNutters thank you for proving that Baylor didn't dominate the entire game.
being a stanford fan I agree with this
Genius McBrilliant standford is not clutch
I wrote this a long time ago
It all fixed! The sec never play out of the south never go west! Always more home games than away 9 home 4 away
Blah, Blah, Blah, !!! If you want a REAL poll .....................Look at the COMPUTERS !
He speaks the truth..
+Jack Loughman Whos winning titles every year ? PRO SET TEAMS....DUH
Nope
Lol Colin's got some crazy eyes in this video.......
Runescape music anybody?
GO PAC-12
I'll take this 2015 Ohio state defense paired with its scout team offense and win the championship with it in any conference. gtfo.
Tom coached at Nebraska. Nebraska is west of the Mississippi. Theory shot in the head.
+AmericanMetalhead100 I was thinking the same thing! if I'm not mistaking Iowa is also!
Still a Big 10 school.
The point was he ran a different offense than many teams do now... Whether or not it's on purpose, showing bias is very easy.
osborne coached the option not pro. just saying
Find someone who looks at you like Colin looks at at Joel at 1:58
Thumbs up for Tom Osborne
Sorry, I just don't know how you work with a statement like OKST played impressively on defense "even thought they gave up 600+ yds"......
They play 2 sec games in terms of plays
Did you listen to the stat he gave, they played better defense in the TCU game than Alabama did in the LSU game
Even as a mixed Arizona st and Ohio state fan I believe it’s rigged I think all sports leagues are rigged...
The four best teams in the country imo are alabama clemson oklahoma and Iowa
You can't possibly think Iowa is one of the best 4. Absolutely zero reason to believe that at this point. It they somehow make the playoff, you'll see what I mean when they lose by 30.
For now I'm comfortable with putting Iowa in the top 4. Even though I think they will lose today. As of this moment I'll put them in the top 4
AlphaDwg Agreed. They should be ranked top 4 but I don't think they're one of the best 4.
Iowa is west of the Mississippi, theory debunked...
@@wtblack5 Iowa is barely west of the Mississippi and also Iowa 55 Ohio state 24.
Why is Baylor not ranked the same as Ohio State when they have the same resume? Oh i don't know maybe it was the national championship they won last year or maybe its because Baylors heisman potential quaterback broke his neck. Just easy observations these professionals somehow seem to overlook.
+Ryan Grady Last year is irrelevant to this year. And it's not just about Baylor anyways..
Thats the thing, last year isn't irrelevant. Sure its irrelevant in how the team actually plays, but as a committee they cannot have ohio state outside their top 4 after winning a national title last year with a similar resume, then looking like they have a similar season the next year
+Ryan Grady This isnt the AP or the BCS, one of the major things the committee pointed out was they weren't going to take into account last year results in the current year rankings. I think people in general rolled their eyes in disbelief but the problem still exist, OSU has struggled against teams it should dominate.
This isnt just about Baylor, I'm fine with Okie State currently being ranked ahead of Baylor and i think most objective fans were expecting it. To have 2 Big12 teams ranked not only behind a couple 1 loss teams but well behind Ohio State when they havent beaten a single ranked team is ridiculous and just shows the bias the committee is working with.
+bufoot19 im pretty sure baylor hasnt played a team with a winning record this year? With that being said, i think they were and would have been much better with the guy they had before he broke his neck. I do think that Notre Dame shouldn't be ranked ahead of these teams, and i think Baylor and OK State have a chance at the end of the year to prove themselves playing, for the first time all year, a difficult schedule. Baylor has one of the easiest schedules in the country, and that doesn't mean they are bad by any margin. But it means that when you beat a Kansas state team by 7, who lost to Oklahoma 55-0, it may raise some eyebrows about how important the old qb was. Now lets say baylor, iowa, ok state, any of them win out, they will make it to the playoffs as they should. Every team in the playoffs except Notre Dame has to still prove themselves against a top 10 team, and i think that will tell us who deserves to make it. Yes they shouldn't use last year to make decisions for this year, but its impossible to not consider Ohio State couldn't do the same thing they did last year. Also they still have to play Iowa so they have to prove themselves in that sense.
+Ryan Grady this again just shows the perception changes depending on the name on the front of the jersey. We should be looking at the 7 point road win over Kstate the same as the OU 7 point road win over 5-4 Tenn or how about the 7 point loss to 4-5 Texas. Kstate isnt a bad team, they've shown they can play with both Baylor and TCU but they have 5 losses right now because they had to play the top 4 teams in the conference at the beginning of the season.
When Baylor gets a 28 point win its ignored and discounted as the conference being weak and they havent played anyone, when they get a 7 point win on the road in a game that was never in question people start saying that Baylor is in trouble. Baylor has had the easiest schedule in the top 6 to this point but will go into the last 4 games with the 4th toughest. Baylor cant control how other teams will play or how the conference will schedule games, the only thing they can do is beat the teams on the schedule and yes we can beat the dead horse about its OOC. Doesnt change the fact that they play 9 P5 games and play every team in the conference.
When the SEC and B1G get a 7 point win over a weaker opponent either at home or on the road (i.e. Florida/Vandy or Bama/Tenn) its because the conference is deep from top to bottom, regardless of whether the stats actually show that or not. It's always possible any team within the top 10-15 could string some wins together at the end of the season and make a push. That doesnt change Baylor and tOSU have similar schedules, with zero wins against ranked teams and somehow tOSU is 3 and Baylor is 6, while Baylor has been dominant and tOSU has struggled against middle of the road teams.
SEC IS OVERRATED
This.
Iowa is WEST of the Mississippi. Ever study a map?
+Brent K No, but they run a power offense
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