Warren Mundine - One Year Since the Voice Failure
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In this video, Warren Mundine reflects on the anniversary of the failure of the Voice to Parliament referendum. He shares his thoughts on the outcome, the impact it had on Indigenous Australians, and what he believes the future holds for reconciliation and closing the gap. Join the conversation as he discusses the lessons learned and what steps need to be taken moving forward.
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Why do you think the voice failed?
because its devisive. Australians voted yes for the gay marriage bill because it makes everyone equal. The voice does the opposite. It creates a part of the constitution that seperates people by race and gives extra power to one certain group of people.
Most British immigrants also left behind all the nonsense of division by race, class etc etc.
My thoughts are Australian's couldn't see how the voice was going to help the most disadvantaged Aboriginal Australians when the majority of allocated funds was and is swallowed up by the elites and the multitude of departments, albanese had to be shamed into visiting Alice Springs, which is hard to understand why he wouldn't be spending time trying to understand the context of the issues, like the family living on a concrete housing slab in a tent so their children could go to school or kids too scared to go home at night getting into trouble because they have no direction and don't know how to ask for help in the form of a safe place to sleep and a meal, labors approach was ideology instead of trying to understand the problems
A group of 250 activists took a petition to a referendum and arrogantly assumed the whole country would just go along. They then hurled abuse at anyone who asked questions about it.
It highlights the problem of surrounding yourself with people who just agree with everything you say. Nobody would’ve had the courage to tell these activists that this probably wouldn’t work.
Also the government and the activists had different narratives. The PM said ‘it’s a minor thing and there’s nothing to worry about’ yet the activists were saying it’s ’the first step to pay the rent’.
Because unlike elections, "no" was an option. Most ALP voters are not leftists per se and only vote that way because the party (when in govt) gives them welfare in the form of jobs, benefits and services (and/or they are afraid the Coalition will take it away) but, like a "Welcome to Country" ceremony, The Voice would give them nothing.
Ironically, something, put forward by a party that only gains power because of welfare recipients, which was intended to benefit the biggest welfare recipient group of them all, got voted down by the other welfare recipients
We voted NO to a divided nation and YES to one people, one country.
Why did we vote no? Australians are tired of the racism.
Warren Mundine what an amazing individual he copped a lot of heat and backlash from the yes campaigners and he stood his ground.
This is what makes a great Australian!
It certainly gives me hope for Australia when we still have people like this.
Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price Warren Mundine and Peter Dutton were the heroes behind Australians rejecting the Voice
Then there were the ordinary 60% of Australians who knew there was a better pathway than constitutional enshrinement of one race above the majority
@@graemekeeley4497💯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯
Warren is a dumbass halfwit living on his family name. Whenever he speaks it should always start with “Jacinta’s position is …”
Jacinta is the real brains of the no campaign.
The majority of Australians didn't want more division. Everyone knew it would be mismanaged and of no benefit to the people it was said it would help. The gaslighting was not tolerated by the general public who are not to be insulted.
Best summary of the fiasco.❤
They'll still vote for the same monkeys though... Vote One Nation!
Nothing will help the Aboriginals until the Aboriginals decide to help themselves! As always they want everything handed to them with no effort from themselves, if you want to get ahead be prepared to do it yourself, well said Warren.
There is a saying in age care and child care "Don't do for the others what they can do themselves" it might seem helpful to do everything for someone you are caring for, but in reality you are removing their agency and actively harming them.
Simply ... Albo said there was ONE page referring to the Referendum which was incorrect as there was 24 pages. Well, done Warren and Jacinta.
Because we didn't know what we were saying yes to. Exactly. And we have a healthy mistrust of the government.
Exactly Albo couldn't even explain how it was going to work and kept fobbing us off to look at a website. If he couldn't explain it in laymans terms how on earth was it ever going to work in the real world? It still didn't explain how some aborigines were getting most of the funding and some were getting very little if any at all. If anything it just highlighted the differences between well off people and poor peoples. How on earth would every zone of Australia be fairly treated and have a fair say. The amount of funding it received was also at question. All it ever did was create more division than ever........
The government misinformed us about the voice, that’s why we voted NO NO NO
Nicely spotted. Hence the current Misinformation Bill.
@@John-p7i5g The current proposed Misinformation Bill is being put forward by the same guy (Prime Minister Albanese), who gaslit and misinformed us all on the "Yes" vote. In actual fact is an attempt to punish anyone for criticism of his Labor Party policies.
Everything that comes out of a labour mouth is a lie.
Great to see you still fighting Warren, keep up the good work
Thank you! Will pass this comment along
When will they admit they were wrong?
Albo can't be trusted to do anything as he has no idea what to do.
I voted no, because we were not told what the actual legislation would be. Never ever give a politician a blank check.
they underestimated the intelligence of those who voted no. I did loads of research and voted against separatism, and for funding based on need, not identity. It’s so insulting that the ‘no vote’ was dismissed and blamed on r’cism and misinformation!!
@@Surfer-x7h Your aggressive and uninformative response is typical of many Yes voters. It gives a pushy salesman vibe that made many of us suspicious of the product.
@@MP-ye6tv BULLSHIT ARTIST
@retyroni telling it how it is is not aggressive thats typical of you playing with words...All they wanted was to have a say in matters concerning Them ....anything else is misleading BULLSHIT. thin skin paranoid crap.
@retyroni la de da aggressive hahaha you soft cok that's not aggressive idiot...can't even get that right.. fk off..dhead..and that's the truth.
Intelligence???....If you don't know,Vote No!! If you did any research, You'd know it was about achieving equality in the Close The Gap outcomes which became worse under the LNP which was health, education, employment , incarceration and improved child mortality rates. This changed when the LNP turned it into a race!!
I voted No because Albo said “just vote Yes and we’ll figure out the rest later”. Also we currently have 109 federal government departments dealing with indigenous affairs and nothing changes. Where is the money going ? Senator Price asked that question after the voice defeat and got shouted down.
Because most people do not believe that Aboriginal people are special deserving of preferential treatment.
100%, looks the special treatment and tax payers money Aboriginals already get! And look at the respect they have for us! Zero respect!
Why should any group of people get special treatment over another , humans migrated out of Africa, some tock longer than others to get to Australia, that just how it works, no body own planet earth , we all have to share it .
it was because of all the virtue signaling done by the yes made people feel sick so most people said No
Price and Mundine are legends.
They were pivotal in pointing out the major flaws to the Voice.
They saved Australia from divisiveness, and should get an OAM.
Albo and his government lied to the people regarding the Referendum which was 24 pages rather than the one page summery Albo referred too. And the fact that people like Warren and Jacinta and their families, highly regarded indigenous Australians, informed Aussies of the obvious confusion and division which was being caused by the Uluru Statement and the far reaching consequences this would have on all Aussies going forward.
As a Aboriginal myself i voted no because in my opinion we all need to be one people you can not have division because it goes against everything Aboriginals have fought for for 200 years .
As a wadjula,
in 50+ years of walking Our Country
i have been into many communities
and never have been turned away from shelter or sustenance by Australian Aboriginality.
I Love my Brothers and Sisters
@@ianking-jv4hg onya bro
I like it. Why do you think Elbow is trying to divide us?
@@alanc6781 He wanted division because he is corrupt its about money and greed . Also he is doing the same thing now with the Muslim votes. The bloke is weak and bad , Ive been a labor voter for 66 years i would never say that about them but this guy is horrible. Also he is trying to take our freedoms of our own opinions and speech. No one has that right we are a democracy we are born with that right.
@@alanc6781 W.E.F. directives !
WE voted NO as in NO to Apartheid.
Because the last thing we needed was another Aboriginal advocacy agency with even more power than those already existing. Because it WOULD not have done ANYTHING to improve the lot of the majority of aboriginal people - just those who had the power in it who would line their own pockets like those in ASIC
The South Australian government didn't give us a choice as they made it law about six months before the referendum was even held and then just waited to enact it. Then when South Australia voted no they basically said "too bad, so sad , we don't care what you want we're keeping it" and finally showed us what they actually think of us.
People should also vote no for Albo at the next election.
I voted no because I don't care. We are all here we can only have one voice. No special treatment for anyone
Equality of choice is paramount to the fabric of Australian society.
Australians will never vote to change the constitution.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
We said NO they still went ahead with it. Just being done behind closed doors
That's okay though. That's just everyday political shenanigans, not a Constitutional requirement.
@@retyroni Yep, next change of government, that nonsense gets closed down.
Australia said NO TO RACISM, that's what happened.
NO was the correct call. We also need to abolish welcome to country, native title and close all of the thousands of aboriginal corporations etc. which cost a fortune and benefit nobody.
They on benefit those heads or corporations, it one big money luandring scam!
We voted no because we're not as stupid as our current government.
Because of first principles.
The structure of the voice bypassed key democratic checks and balances.
It went direct to the high court which subsequently overruled the Australian government 6 months after the voice failed, proving that their claims of not doing this were lies.
Clearly, a voice would have been politically weaponised within a short period of time.
The other thing was it was based on emotional blackmail, not reason. That sets off immediate alarm bells.
My reaction was that the reasons advanced to vote yes were issues that are properly addresses by policy, and putting them into the constitution which by definition needs to treat everyone equally and not be vehicle for policies which are often partisan and have to be given a chance to fail or succeed as policies. It was a basic category mistake. I think Warren is right that we need to get on with the problems, not undermining the constitution.
I wanted to vote yes. But no one explained why a change in the constitution was required to improve aboriginal lives & no one explained how The Voice would improve aboriginal lives either. AFAIK it really was that simple.
We : reject racism, realise no one is special, there is lots of work to do, and everyone is happy to help, but Aboriginal and Torres straits Islander communities have do most of the work. Please, lets get on with it.
I just don’t take my moral cues from Qantas or PWC.
Thank you Uncle Warren,
Clear, Lucid Explanations
of Existing Problems
Where are these urbanites
to sit, debate,
and work on achieving
a progressive outcome ?
and thats the problem the indigenous in parliament lost focus long ago for a better life for those in the bush they needed to keep it simple and one step at a time instead it was we being here for 60,000 years and the evils of colonization 200 years ago and belting Australians over the head with it for the sins of their ancestors creating divison not solving the problems in the bush hows that gonna house and school those in the bush who are still no better off today in 2024 so Mr Mundine your right to many noses in the trough instead of out in bush country working for their people
A those elite indigenous noses would promote an apartheid beneficial to their own pockets and, personal power and status.
Simple. We should all be treated the same not sperated into groups. This is not a facist country. Division will just continue to create an issue. We should be working together as one people. We are many people of many places from all over the world. Its time we act like it.
All of Australia for all AustraliansEQUALLY.
As a few might have said already, l voted no because l didnt fully understand what l was voting Yes to. I only knew the change would have major long lasting ramifications. I went with the safer option.
The Australian people know what happens when any people are treated 'differently' based on religion, culture, or ancestry. And it must be said, unfortunately Australia has a prime minister that while he conceded the vast majority of Australians voted against accepting the referendum, he personally does not agree with the decision of the Australian people.
What I find ridiculous is if we had a warren running for prime minister, he would be speaking for all australians and tackling the issues facing aboriginals more effectively than our current crop of politicians.
I was a NO voter but I think Warren Mundine & Jacinta Price are the most wonderful duo for the plight of our first nation people. With so much lack of info it created more racism.
Because Australians know good money after bad when they see it
Good sign that you maybe racist
Thank you
You are not second class. 😅😅😅 Far from it, you get better benifits than any other Australian. All Australian's should be treated equal. Will always vote no no no no.
My kids school still makes them thank traditional owners for "sharing" their country with us. It's a bloody outrage!!!
One of them even said she wished she was aboriginal because she is seeing them get special treatment and extra stuff from the school 🤬
It is simple, when you define the rights of individuals by race in the constitution you will create a massive problem because the next question is, how do you prove they deserve those extra privileges. The result would be legal cases asking for DNA proof, at that point you can say without doubt you have lost the plot. Then we would have splits within the tribes as some would deny those who are genetically from the first people being denied because they don't act or partake in aboriginal culture.
Your country was founded on the genocide of these people. Your recent ancestors wanted to breed the black out of them. Why deny them any kind of say in funding?? Sounds racist to me
Thanks
I had been peripherally aware of most of the issues mr Mundine mentioned but to me the worst issue was the lucky dip attitude of the YES campaign :vote for the voice and then we will tell you what the rules will be.
Why 😊 , because we are not Vacuum Brain's.
For me it was over reach. I support constitutional recognition but a seperate additional voice to Parliament ignored that we all already have a democratic system where no one person’s vote or voice is more important than anyone else’s. The proposal ran contrary to this and the yes campaign framed anyone who did not supporting their position as bigoted, intolerant and unintelligent.
@@andrewf9322 I don't support recognition personally. Who knows how an activist high court would have twisted that in future? I'd support taking all mentions of race out of our laws and constitution altogether
I was in a position to observe directly the Australian people, in my area, voting in the referendum.
The biggest issue, that I observed being expressed, was that people were unwilling to trust the Albanise Government with such an open ended gap in the Constitution, and the absence of detail of the proposed change.
Some people wanted to vote "Yes" but couldn't bring themselves to support such a flawed change to the constitution. A good number were angry at the Prime Minister for the waste of time and money, "for what". They, the Australian Government, wanted people to vote on the "vib".
It is almost as though the "Voice Referendum" was setup to fail!
Was this just an expensive sop to the far left segment of Albanese led Australian Government?
If one looks at previous refendums, there were consultations with the Australian Parliamentary Opposition, followed by constitution conventions, where all the details were explored and argued over.
That is, with the view to achieving the the best possible constitutional change proposal.
This would have been exposed to public scrutiny, before being put to a referendum.
Had this process been followed then the outcome may have been different. Who knows?
I believe recognition would have passed on its own. It had no chance when tied to an un specified Voice.
In the 122 years since Federation, Australia has held 44 referendums to alter the Constitution - but only eight have been successful.
Only the 1946 referendum on Social Services-passed without bipartisan support.
The 2023 Voice referendum failed, securing only 40% of the vote, the lack of bipartisanship made defeat a forgone conclusion?
Labor has a poor record of Referendum success one in 1977 out of eight held and that was two proposals asked one was carried, and one failed
Australians show a reluctance to get behind any Labor proposal mainly due to the Ideological nature and private interest groups pushing a Labor view
Albo Albanese-buoyed by the success of the 2018 Australian [Same-Sex] Marriage Law Survey, believed he could humiliate Dutton, and chalk up a historic Yes Vote win
It failed because it was a racist idea giving one group more power to make laws or it was a token gesture. It was not going to address the issues of Aboriginal people. The government was not clear or fully honest with the public about the details of the position. Most people who voted yes only did it out of an historical feeling of shame or guilt and did not consider the reasoning behind the problems with the idea. It was a crap idea and I am proud most of Australia did not let the politicians weaken the democracy.
Almost every people worldwide have been colonized, it is generally beneficial to most people in the long run. England was colonized many times, as was India and most European nations. Aboriginals are not special nor do they deserve special treatment as if they cannot succeed at life.. They are Australians like all the rest of us. We do not begrudge the help we offer, but we do resent the insults and refusal to accept reality. No treaty no voice. The gravy train that a few grifters have made millions off must end. Help for the really disadvantaged must be a partnership between dedicated Elders and the wider community. No more teaching victimhood. Time to accept the flaws in their culture. Parenting must be better. Pride comes from acheivements, not myths and resentment.
I voted no because I consider all Australians to be equal regardless of race.
Us Aussies weren't hoodwinked into any B/S
The only reason the treaty truth and macaranda is going forward is because of activists but the truth is that Aussies white and black are fed up we have disadvantaged in all races of Australia and it is the disadvantaged that money must be given to the colour of your skin should not matter
The 1967 referendum was held at a time when, we are now told, Australia was riven with racism. Yet it passed with a 90.77% YES vote - one of the biggest approvals in any (genuine) referendum held anywhere. The ABC never mention that.
The 1967 Referendum sought to change two sections of the Constitution in relation to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples.
90.77 per cent of Australian voters voted ‘Yes’ to the changes.
It was the biggest 'yes' vote in our nation's history! The changes meant two lines were removed from the document giving Indigenous people the right to be included in Australia's population figures, and giving the federal government the power to make laws for Indigenous Australians.
There wasn’t a “no” campaign in 1967, the 2023 Yes vote campaign was hijacked by the movement of the radical left and the Elites, leading to the comment a Voice to Parliament would be akin to putting “lipstick on a pig”.
I don't know why over 60% or Australian electors voted "No". I can only say why I did. It was an even-steven argument - my wish to improve Aboriginal prospects and outcomes against an instinctive distrust of differential treatment for a racial group - until I heard a panel of lawyers on the ABC assuring everyone that this proposal would not confer special privileges on Aboriginal people and Torres Strait Islanders. I could hardly believe my ears. It was obviously a flagrant falsehood. Of course unique access to, and influence over, government policy would be a special privilege. I knew then that if I voted "Yes"" I would be voting for a lie. So I voted "No".
It was easy to vote No without knowing what the Yes side were campaigning on. If you believe as I do that all Australians are equal, and some people - any people are being left behind, then Government is failing in its duty to look after its citizens.
Voted no. Will happily do the same again if it was put back on the table.
Why do you class this as "the anniversary of the failure of the Voice to Parliament referendum" I, as a NO VOTER personally refer to the outcome of the Referendum as a SUCCESS !! We the people of Australia need to adopt the mindset that our Governing bodies are in place to "Serve the People" inline with "Our requirements".
Australia missed an important opportunity when Warren Mundine was not elected to parliament several years ago
If it had been yes then albo would hand Australia to the un. Do you not realise this.
C'mon Waz. Where is our truth telling and treaty?
I'd be interested to hear the honest answer to why anyone voted Yes.
Try going to any government sites. Its all "welcome to country" and "our land".
They did not really get we said no at all.
One year on and you are still crying
Don’t forget when the debate started it was 60% yes in the polls and by the end of the campaign it was a 60% no vote so people thought about it and made a considered decision
Not to mention the Yes side couldn’t even be polite to indigenous leaders on the No side. It was a terrible look. Also the Yes campaign was terrible. Having unpopular CEOs spruiking the Voice was an own goal.
Because of Geoffrey Clarke and it would have been only for certain groups.
I votes no because they wanted me to vote yes
The voice of reason. ❤
Giving a right to one section of the population and not to everyone else elevates the recipients to an exclusive status.
In that respect it is reminiscent of the much denigrated (by the Left at least) hereditary peerages in the UK entitling many of them to sit in the House of Lords and none of them whether Life or Hereditary Peers, ever having to face an election.
The misinformation & disinformation was that this Voice was going represent and benefit the Aboriginal people
It was racist. It would also open possibilities for other groups to do the same. A gay, Muslim, rough sleeper voice. And so on.
Are we still dragging this on and on it was no no what does that mean?
Don't like thinking much do you?
@@akashajones6079 I think all the time you should try it and stop looking in the mirror.
because people worked out Albos plan of division, look what we are all experiencing now
The loser culture has to end. The collectivist culture has to end.
Vote no for preferential treatment based on race
It is strange and puzzling why Mundine has this view when “The Voice” was produced under an LNP government overseen by an LNP Senator who just happened to be indigenous. And then they called it Labor’s Racist Voice! You just can’t trust the LNP .
@@CitizenShane54 LOL! Nice try
Because it devides Australia and is racist
We have chased into remote areas where they cannot afford to go to the nearest town to buy food and get a job and the is no way they can get a hospital or university out there.
If you want to close the gap they need transport every day.
@@edwardbarnett6571 You could always move into a town and get a job like everybody else has to do. Yeah, aboriginals have a beautiful culture and that. But its hardly appropriate for the modern world. Maybe they should consider keeping the corroborees and rock painting and less sitting around in the dirt, kicking rocks.
The PC has become pc in many ways.
All men are equal before God - who or whatever your God is, there is an inherited understanding that we are stronger together in a struggle to be free & safe.
Sadly, the woke ideological movement want to split people up to sow division and chaos. It's time we started telling our indigenous people that they are as much Australian as anyone born on this Island. Conservatives will let you do or say whatever you want and work to make your life better & safer through common sense, but we will fight back and say "Enough" if you try to put our democracy at risk. A clear victory for those who stand united and free.
People recognised the Marxist Atheist component in the Yes section and responded responsibly.
As a Aboriginal my tribe owns 6700 square kilometer's of land , What needs to be done is take the land of these so called land councils and give enough land back to the people of them tribes we are only talking a couple of acres each . No one else deserves that land except the traditional owners. Only people with proof of their Aboriginality should receive it. And being honest each tribe should decide how much of that land gets sold to Australians maybe at 100 year leases . Thats what ordinary Aboriginals want
Hell no, thank god you’re not in power, the issue is Aboriginal believe they should be the masters, and the rest of us are just Squatters .
Come join our society and work hard like the rest of us have to!
I don’t get Mundine where he was the direct recipient of close the gap type programs and has done well and here is is talking about the disparity between rural aboriginals and city aboriginals and the voice would have helped get aboriganals get representation without some change of government interference . He is so removed from rural aboriginal issues. Stay in the city mate
Interesting. Warren Mundine is saying in not so many words, assimilate or perish. Perhaps it's as simple as that. But how will an MBA, or a trade certificate or a uni degree be possible for the aboriginal people of remote Australia, or for the disadvantaged fringe dwellers. And what value is a Torrens title to someone in a remote community in Arnhem Land. This makes no sense. Warren speaks of a European dream imposed on a people who have completely different systems and beliefs. This interview completely bypasses the issue and is only relevant to people like Warren Mundine who have 100% assimilated into European life and values. Very painful to watch such platitudes and patronisation.
because we knew it would just lead to more boohooing and it has even with the no prevailing
Umm lets look logically. 1. The reference level of intellect cant be wrong, no such thing as a referendum failure, your assertion indicates you fear democracy. 2.The PM said on camera "the VTP will not change a single circumstance for a single Australian", so why proceed? 3. VTP in one hand, genocide by stealth in the other. 4.Multiculturalism v's the ongoing genocide in slow motion! Main concept to focus on as follows: Australia is one of 6 inhabited Continents. 100(%) divided by 6 = 16.67%. Thats the minimum this Continents Indigenous Population MUST be for you to declare "Aust is Multicultural", since it isnt, its genocide by stealth!
That the most impressive indigenous leaders were on the No side (Price, Mundine, Mansell, etc) played a huge part in the failure of the Yes side. Also the the fact that many indigenous individual and groups feared being disenfranchised by the selection criteria for delegates to the proposed Voice was another contributing factor.
One can use all manner of emotive terms … simple fact is that the government and Yes side couldn’t even sell the idea to large numbers of indigenous people, says it all.
Black fellas already get away with nonsense. We don't want you getting more powers.
You see the thing is no one cares move on
I think the vote was no due to misinformation racism fear and a sense that Europeans belief they own the country and the Aboriginal people dont deserve a true say in the country.
@@17_73 Yeah, we already know the Yes campaign don't listen
We voted no because we have way more sense than our stupid government