Pop Fiction: Season 1: Episode 9: The Fire Temple Chants [Update 2]
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2013
- Did the Fire Temple's original music cause an emergency reissue of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time? The second updated version of the episode that aired in August 2013.
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Wow this was interesting.
bruh
Lol
God I miss pop fiction. I wish easy allies did more of this.
You know what this means? Some of OOT's songs were written ENTIRELY around samples!! Some of the greatest songs on the soundtrack are dubbed samples with effects and instruments stacked on!
All DJs make this using sounds from The librarys, nobody begins from The zero.
Yup.
everyone does it that way specially in the snes, n64 era cause the memory space was really limited . is kind of fun that he is impressed by that fact
A lot of 3D games, especially earlier ones seem to use stock sound effects and even stock textures.
Wow. This is one of the best investigative mini-documentaries I've ever watched. Though some may say that the subject is trivial, I love your never-ending search for the truth and your innovative methodology.
If I ever want to tell someone what investigative journalism is, this video will serve as a prime example.
If only there were more people with the work ethic that went into this video, the Internet would have far less false information.
DK Fynn
It was a marketing ploy
they knew what they were doing from the very beginning.
Too bad False Information is now common in this year. Ever since 2016.
Whoa thats actually really cool how its all samples. It surprised me that the Forest Temple was a sample just slowed down. Sneaky Nintendo. :P
Its how a lot of movie sound tracks and sound fx are created as well. It would've cost thousands more per track to not use samples.
Lots of composers do this. watch?v=odXWmLYHiWQ The same thing was done in the half life series. even the well known creepy radio music is a sample
The Forest Temple chime is also the Water Temple chimes, just at different speeds.
8:15 Uhe UhA UhE UhA UhO UhA Uhe
The Forest Temple sound was used on the title card for a Ren and Stimpy episode called Superstitious Stimpy.
Apparently, there are a number of people who don't know what a 'sample library' is. You see, there are those that create a 'library' of noises, sounds, sound effects, etc. They then proceed to sell these libraries to others to use for whatever they want. In the case of creating music for a video game, if you're not recording someone playing it live, you would need to create it yourself using sounds. The sounds of drums, the sounds of trumpets, "aaaahs", "ooga-boogas", chanting", etc. You take these sounds, and arrange them into your song.
Now, WHERE do you think they GET these sounds? Do they, perhaps:
A.) Take the time to painstakingly record themselves making every instrument noise, choir "ooos", etc. (at which point, they may as well be recording the music performed live)
or
B.) Pay someone else for a compilation, a "library", if you will, of sounds that they have already recorded. A "Sound Library", as it were.
What we are talking about is an incredibly common practice, done by everyone who makes digital music. Sound libraries are why many well-known movies have the infamous "Wilhelm Scream". There is no 'remixing' or 'theft of music' going on here, because sample libraries are not 'music'. They're digital sound samples, mere seconds long (if even that), compiled for the usage in creating music (or whatever else you can think to use them for).
Sorry for bringing up a 3-year-old comment, but the Choice A is what I initially had in mind when the game developers made the sounds and music of the games. But, it really makes sense that they would rather use a sample library to save up a ton of money in creating the music. But, it is still cool to think that not everything is really made from scratch as what I initially thought.
+Ivan Zapanta Only REALLY special games use all original music.
One example from my memory is the full orchestral score of the Super Mario Galaxy game (games?).
@@Gerard-oo8os NOW U'RE THE 3-YEAR-OLD COMMENT >:)
I miss pop fiction.
HUNG UP on Thread 4!!
RCP is HUNG UP!!
Oh! MY GOD!!
I LOVE YOU 00000000000
The Trolldier What do these weird messages in the debug menu MEAN!?!?!
OLDTPBUSER 22
so these messages..on the debug screen,
"HUNG UP on Thread 4!!
RCP is HUNG UP!!
Oh! MY GOD!!" are from Ren & Stimpy??
OLDTPBUSER 22
Oh ok. But If anyone figures out wtf those debug messages mean, please let me know! I'm so curious.
SunBunz i think programmers were just having fun, thats what i've heard at least
That sample part needs to be a video on it's own imo.
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@@gilb_4 It is the first 2 verses of Surat Al-Ikhlas the 112th chapter of the Quran
@@Omar411269 doesnt even sound like it.
im muslim and i was extremely terrified when i was playing on an emulator and the theme played.. felt like the biggest 4th wall break i had ever experienced
It happens. The inlay of the sample CD was not labeled as a prayer. Only a "chant". I'm peronmls by the way. =P
I actually found that whole sequence of showing how the Zelda songs were made really really interesting
Damn dude. I've watched this playlist maybe 4 times. I miss this stuff. GameTrailers, you should definitely bring this series back.
Official Oyxi head to easy allies, it’s the same people
The "Iceland 1" sample (Final Hours from Majora's Mask) also seems to be in The Wind Waker as well, coming from the portal after you beat one of the first two bosses, I think.
Michael J Yeah, it is.
Sai Chanalloy What's interesting is the fact that Wind Waker first came out on GameCube, and eventually Majora's Mask was released for the GameCube.
Michael J A lot of Zelda thingies get re-used. Like most of young Link's voice clips for Minish Cap.
Michael J Why is that interesting
+Michael J Twilight Princess also uses samples previously used in past Zelda games. For example, in the night version of Hyrule Field, you can hear the same sample used for Malon's singing voice in OoT quite prominently
The Fire Temple chant is sampled off of the first 2 verses of Surat Al-Ikhlas, A chapter towards the end of the Quran. It is spliced with a Muslim Eid Chant. It all translates to: "In the name of God the Most Gracious the Most Merciful. Oh Say He is God the One and Only. God the Everlasting/ Eternal (switches to a different track) God is most great and to God is all praise."
Thanks for this. I was trying to figure it out and thought it was bismillah.
Wow, it looks like no one in the comments section actually watched the video.
Nintendo didn't remove the chanting because Muslims complained (and I honestly doubt many would have), they did it preemptively due to a "no real religions in games" rule. It's the same reason you don't see crosses, stars of David, or Buddhist symbols in Zelda games. And yet you all act as if Muslims were the only overzealous people in the world.
Besides, the people in the music department could have easily recreated the chant without using the same religious text. I wonder why they didn't just do that, although I know music technology was a bit more limited back then and maybe they couldn't. Anyway, the amount of misinformed people in the comments section is astounding.
CrispyDragons you do know links sheild in zelda 1 is a cross right?
in fact before ocarina of time the religion of the zelda universe was christianity
Wayne Ekeh They changed it outside of Japan though
Aleesha C. not the cross. its still there, even in the re releases
+Wayne Ekeh There are also crosses in Zelda 2 in some towns
+CrispyDragons I am not a Muslim, but from what I heard the problem Muslims would've had isn't the fat that that chanting was in there, but the fact it was played music,which is apperantly forbidden when praying,or something like that.
I miss this series so much
These videos are such a throwback
So Nintendo was worried about controversy from the chanting, but kept the crescent moon symbol for the country of desert dwelling thieves? That's both impressive foresight, and an impressive lack of foresight.
+BelatedGamer That's the Japanese for you.
i believe that symbol was changed as well
***** They might have changed it for later released, but definitely not for the original N64 version.
yeah that's what i meant lol
BelatedGamer what they cant lie to people now can they hah
I miss these Pop Fiction Episodes
Does anyone else find these isolated sounds terrifying?
Definitely.
agreed, i mean fuck this shit is nightmare fuel
For me the most terrifying is the final version of the Fire Temple.
Spoooky! :O
Yes
Welp. It's them who made it sound creepy :/ when it's actually supposed to be lovely.
this was a really incredible video wow, im seriously blown away
Game Grouches not sure of this was supposed to be funny but it was
When I first played OoT, It was on the GameCube, so i never knew about the old music. Recently, I got it on an emulator and when the chanting came up i shit myself.
I remember watching this maybe 12 years ago. The original video was much shorter without the part where they play all the different samples.
This was AMAZING. That original sound will always be iconic to me.
What I love most about the update you guys did is you listed off not only the stock music from OoT but also MM and TwP. 😁 thank you so much!!
this is so awesome gametrailers. Ive learned so much. And you really dug deep to give so much more info. I remember when this episode first came out. There wasnt to much of a definite answer about all this. And you guys updated it and found out all the info, incredible
The amazing "End of the World" song was based off a sample sound all along? That's one of the best ways to use pre-built assets in game, ever!
for anyone complaining about muslims, IN THE VIDEO they say the theme was changed not for complainments but it was a nintendo's decision
They were afraid of the outcry it could have resulted in, like what happened to the other game. It's still a problem with groups of religious people believing that everyone else should take their silly beliefs seriously.
@@ThatGastrodon You've never heard of the saying "show people respect so that they'll show it back" have you? Applies to beliefs/ lack there of too. If you cant show them some respect then why should they show you respect for yours?
@@isaacargesmith8217 Why should any company be forced to go along with people's crazy beliefs? Playing those chants isn't even an attempt to insult anybody, it was using a sound effect from a library.
Who decides which beliefs need to be respected and which don't? Because it would be literally impossible to hold that principle to any degree of scrutiny. People believe all sorts of contradictory things, and there's no way to live without stepping on a few toes.
Besides, I really don't care if people "respect my beliefs". No one is owed respect. That has to be earned.
These pop fictions are so cool and awesome to watch all the time, i hope they have
another season to show more these video's.
The Forest Temple is probably my favorite piece of VG music ever. I cannot believe someone took all of that random chanting and created the all of these masterpieces.
"random" 🤦🏻♂🤦🏻♂🤦🏻♂🤦🏻♂
Hamad SAGER they aren't remixes, they simply incorporated a pre-recorded tune into their own original work, there is a huge difference
The “updated” fire temple song is exactly the same as the original, except they replaced the chanting with different chanting, also added the “female” chorus part. It’s not a remix of the shadow temple.
It just uses the same instrumentation
These are actual words used. Not female "aahs". It is not close to being the same. Only in the same key.
@@milesbbop9563 in the original song or the post-release version? I was under the impression it was all just a synthesizer, which is why I put “female” in quotes. Just different sample of chanting used then? All that 16bit chip tune video game music sounds like Art of Noise to me. If you haven’t heard, highly recommend. Lookup “Beatbox” either version 1 or 2. Dope early computer music
Congratulations, this was by far the pinnacle of video game journalism and or research
That particular chant also appears in the opening cinematic track to the game Kartia The Word of Fate for the PSX so apparently Nintendo wasn't the only ones to use it.
The sampling bit of this video was SUPER intriguing. Most excellent research!
The detail in this video is stunning
I have a cartridge version with the chanting in it -- I knew about the change of the design on the Mirror Shield for the later remakes of OoT, but not about the change of the Fire Temple music. Especially changing it so early in?
This was all very interesting to learn about, and I loved the information about all of the different samples used for the level themes. Thank you guys :D
woah literally the first N64 game I played when I was like 5 years old was Cruis'n the World. That brings back memories.
+ShinkoNet hell yeah man the arcade machine is sweet too but rare
This is one of my favorite videos of all time because it's just so fascinating
Thanks for posting all of those sound files GT. I would have never known where they came from.
Really love the added info about all the sound clips, that was so cool! Hearing them separate like that, trying to place it, and then seeing if you got it right. So fun! Really interesting too. I love this video series.
The mystery is not completely solved: now we need to track down the man who sang this infamous prayer and let him know how much controversy he has caused. (If he is alive...)
lolmikes So with your logic the man behind this sound effect is a terrorist? Wow you are very smart! Go buy a medal for yourself and carve your name on it.
thegame890
>So with your logic the man behind this sound effect is a terrorist?
yes that is exactly what I said. I already got my medal, TH-cam's CEO came over to give it to me.
lolmikes islamophobic 10 year old spotted!
Edin743 uh no use real words you actual 10 year old
lolmikes G O D D A M N T H A T S P R E T T Y E D G Y
I always thought the chant sounded like the gorons saying "help us daruania help us daruania help us!"
The sound library samples followed by the Zelda songs send chills through my soul.
"RCP is HUNG UP!!
Oh! MY GOD!!"
I live a sad life to have found an error message funny
I love how ppl can ban together online to figure these things out.
God damn! That's some serious detective work.
This was a great article. Always remember, everything you love is ripped off from something else, even if purely unintentional.
This makes sense. I had always wondered how Koji Kondo was able to mass produce so many iconic themes. Basically doing hundreds of songs for Zelda, Mario and more... Almost a song for every scene and all of theme memorable and even iconic. It's understandable that he used a lot of pre-made things as inspiration and then foundational building blocks to so many of these themes. I hope some should make a full video comparison like this but with all his work across the different franchises.
The editing of the sound effect portion of this video was great.
Gratz guys!! your investigation it's really awesome!!! sometimes it blows my mind with those weird sounds but I am very happy with your work.
The chanting was actually used in a live performance of Hassan I Sahba by Hawkwind in 1995. The performance was filmed at the Hammersmith Odeon
A lot of the samples used actually came from a few notable synthesizers too. Ice Cavern is definitely a preset patch on the Korg M1. I can hear some Roland D-50 in there as well.
8:15 i just laughed on this one the sounds just killed me
UH Ha UhEh uHA Uhe lol
As a musician who has used some of the music or sounds listed, I definitely appreciate this episode. Awesome Job, GT!
I had the original gold cartridge version and I gotta say that I liked the chanting. It was not until I played someone else's cartridge to help them out that I realized that they changed everything. It's kinda cool I that I have an artifact of gaming history.
GaijinGoomba: makes an emotional video about how the poor Muslims got offended and has a Muslim girl come on explaining why the video game is offensive. Said video was made 10 months ago, only has 223,878 subscribers but the video has 1,775,046 views.
GameTrailers: makes a detailed, extremely well researched video showing the origins of the music and how the idea that Muslims were offended couldn't even be a possibility when it came to reasoning for the change. Said video was made over a year ago, 387,609 subscribers, but the video only has 55,058.
I guess hard facts and no ass-kissing makes for a dull video for some people.
MSOGameShow they theorize that Nintendo foresaw the backlash and thus changed it. Because yes, it is offensive.
Federico Porcel Since you're clearly an expert when it comes to determining if something is offensive, I humbly beseech you to come down off of your high horse to my level and explain how it's offensive. Keep in mind that compared to you I'm just an ignorant hick so you may need to dumb down your explanation so that I can understand it.
lmao
If I see more comments like this in other videos I'll be sure to search them out and always upvote them.
PhazonEnder In all my life i have not heard such a diss as great as yours
7:55 the samples
12:03 what you are looking for
Im muslim actually and also this thing is from Quran why did the creators stole this sound track its not for playing this is a true this is a Quran you have to never play with this thing cuz allah will be mad and yeah thank u
Yeah! Another episode so soon! Freakin' love you guys.
The Ocarina, Trumpet, and Guitar are also from samples, as they are on my Yamaha Keyboard.
Many kudos to the guys who do the legwork on these videos and to the outside contributors.
The fact that we get to hear all the sounds before they were added and modified for the game was amazing.
The original really was quite beautiful. What a fascinating video
Favorite episode right here
Impressive research. This was an amazing episode and I'm glad this controversy was brought to rest.
Damn you guys are fucking thorough
lol this comment right here made me laugh!
heres a cookie fine sir
(>^_^)> (: :)
god! i can't stop watching this. its soooo compelling. been watching this on and off since like fall
This is awesome. Excellent detective work!
This video brought me to light how many African themes are in the LoZ series, how wonderful.
this was amazing you guys just earned a sub
I remember this chant very well and I thought it was very creepy when I first heard it when I was a kid, but it made the Temple come alive for me. I understand it being offensive by using it without knowing what it means though. But people shouldnt let it bother them so much.
Yeah, it's just hard to tell people to not be upset when they think someone is offending God. Idk, it's weird.
ViaVanille eh, they choose to get offended.
@@YourBrain you know people can just say that to you to dismiss any sort of anger you have about anything too, like for instance if you dropped something down a drain I doubt you'd appreciate someone just coming up and telling you "eh you're just choosing to get mad over this" for example. To say that is nonconstructive to the situation, kinda hypocritical since I doubt you'd ever say that to yourself if something made you mad, and from personal experience Ive noticed people often just say that to get other people to shut up so they dont have to actually think about the complaints that the people they're telling that to have because they just cant be bothered to actually listen to someone else's point of view or problem. But that last part's just from personal experience viewing random internet and real world conversations over the years.
@@isaacargesmith8217 nobody cares about that nerd.
Oh my god that Iceland 1 sample is literally untouched in the Final Day track. Talk about a rip.
Yes but it only adds to it. The whole song is the chord progression which is totally original.
Wow I always knew there was something unique about the sound clips within the music, but I had no clue this how it actually all came together, with them using sample tracks like this.
As a kid, it sounded like they were saying "magnimite" over and over.
The only differences that stuck out at me in the later versions was it's disappearance, the gerudo symbol change, and the blood being green.
Very in depth.
Truly remarkable game research work! keep it up guys!
The Gerudo symbol (which is on the Mirror Shield) and Ganon's blood were also changed in version 1.2 of OoT, so yes, it can be assumed that they were pre-conceived changes as well.
Great update once again.
Beautiful.
Interesting enough, the sample name “African 13 111-A” (the chant used in the Woodfall Temple theme in Majoras Mask) was also the same chant used in the song “Growl From The Digital Haze” from Phantasy Star Online Episode 1&2. I always knew this growing up as a kid but it was so interesting to find out where the sound sample originated from, how it wasn’t an original chant created by Nintendo/SEGA, and the fact that both companies used it. God I miss Pop-Fiction so much, I always love video game urban legend videos. Thank god Game Sleuth is the spiritual successor to this amazing series!
awesome stuff. I love this show
"A raggy riggy ruggy rum, a raggy riggy ruggy rum, a raggy riggy ruggy rum, a raggy riggy ruggy uuuhhhhhhh........" My gold copy of OOT has that creepy chant and it's awesome. It adds to the game.
All those sample sounds made me happy. I don't know why, but they did.
I'm pretty sure Iceland 1 is also used in Wind Waker for the exit portal sounds in both the Dragon Roost Cavern and the Forbidden Woods's boss rooms.
I agree, for anyone who understands the chants, the song is actually quite unnerving.
The original Fire Temple music with the chanting was great. I loved it. The feeling it gave the Fire Temple goes unmatched. One of my college friends had the original version of the game with this. When I bought the game a few months later, it had been removed. Still had the original symbol for the Gerudo though.
I swear my original copy of OT had the chant for the fire temple. As soon as I heard the music I instantly remembered it, and I also remember thinking (as a young kid) that the stone faces in the walls were the ones chanting.
This can definitely be a false memory, but it seems quite real.
All those damn voices from voice spectral lol
This is pretty neat they just came out with this for me. I bought Ocarina of Time for the 3ds and got to the fire temple and became confused at the change of music. I did research to see why, but it is still pretty cool that they did an episode for this.
WOW! that's a really big research! I loved the vid
My Ocarina of Time grey cart has this chanting. Kind of adds to the atmosphere of the temple in my opinion.
Love the little game at the end.
RCP is HUNG UP!!
Oh! MY GOD!!
just noticed, it also says "I LOVE YOU" in the middle of the screen.
Now that was just plain interesting.
best show on youtube, needs more views
Amazing show, keep it up!
My mind was blown on the library samples part.
amazing. keep up the zelda stuff :)
10:09 no way, that's my ringtone. what a coincidence.
This is my fave one!!