The Ultimate OBD Scanner Buyers Guide & Speed Test (2019): OBD4Everyone E20
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- On this episode of OBD4Everyone we are proud to present:
The Ultimate OBD Scanner Buyer’s Guide and Speed Test.
If you have ever thought about buying a OBD scanner,
there are so many to pick from it can be difficult to decide on which one...
• Should you get one with wifi or bluetooth?
• Will it work with your phone or tablet?
• Do the cheap scanners work as well as the expensive ones?
We will answer all these questions and give you some solid guidelines and recommendations based our hands on usage.
After all that's what this channel is about: OBD 4 Everyone!
Thank you to Veepeak for providing the Veepeak OBDCheck BLE+
Recommended product links:
-Bluetooth-
• OBDLink MX+: amzn.to/2Yywpou
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• OBD II (Android Only Bluetooth): amzn.to2YQpsug
• VeePeak VP11 (Android Only Bluetooth): amzn.to/2KqGj32
-WiFi-
• VeePeakVP01 WiFi: amzn.to/31tqazb
• Foseal WiFi: amzn.to/31y0kKn
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TYVM for a great opening vid! I see many people are asking for an updated review of the current field of BLE dongles. I understand that it takes a LOT of time to put together a 12 minute review video to the excellent level you have set us to expect.
In the interim, despite your busy schedule, you have been gracious enough to answer specific questions regarding newer models. (Blue driver Vs OBDLink MX+) Your attention to answering fan base questions is greatly appreciated!
Thanks for your kind words!
I have a lot of content to get out and will do my best over the next few weeks.
Probably worth a refresh of this for 2022 with added detail on more of the options available, the chipsets, and updates to ELM327 for v2.2, etc. A nice table at the end comparing the options would be great.
In the world of OBDII there really isn't anything new, after all the protocol was defined BEFORE 1996 (to be implemented in 1996 - 26 years ago!!) and the CAN Bus was added in 2008...
The few new commands for the ELM327 2.2 (or 2.3) typically are not implemented in any app, as their benefit is very small. (flow control and setting different timeouts)
The main use of any ELM327 based OBD scanner is to read and clear codes, plus a small percent of folks doing live data logging. Any version of ELM327 will do that just. fine.
I have been using BlueDriver and FixD for a while now, and will start to put together a review of those. :)
Thanks for your comment!
Just the video i was looking for thank you!
Glad I could help!
Thank you for this and all the useful OBD content! Happy with the MX+
Hey Bleebleblahble88,
Thanks for your kind words!
Right now, OBDLInk MX+ is my goto OBD scanner too.
@@OBD4Everyone is that one still your go to or is there something better for 2021?
@@GLXY_1000 When I need a wireless OBD scanner, the MX+ is still the one I reach for first.
When I want fast a possible data logging (180+ PID/second), I use the OBDLInk SX, OTG cable and my Android tablet. see:
Super Speed Test: OBDLink SX + OTG Cable on Android: OBD4Everyone E22
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Great Video. 👍🏼. genuine guy. love it, after watching will go and get OBD link MX+.
Thanks for your kind words. I think you will be very happy with the OBDLink MX+, I still love mine and use it often.
Little known fact: The MX+ comes with OBDlink, which is exactly the same as OBDFusion.
Thx U sir. You distinguished acronyms & purpose, capabilities, even some aspects between Canada & USA, although even some states in USA aren't consistent either.
My pleasure
This is excellent work!
Hey canoeshoe,
Thank you! In the new year I hope to compare the $100 OBD scanners.
Great comparison. Thanks. Just ordered my first Bluetooth scanner
Hey Leigh,
Thanks for your comment. Happy scanning!
First time viewer barely watched any of the video and already subscribed!
Wonderful and thank you!!
Wow! Great video! Sad to see you haven't uploaded in a year. Hopefully you'll make more soon; I am curious about the newer entries like Fix'd, Carista, and Blue Driver.
Working on it!
Thanks for your videos!!
Hey patbfd,
Anytime... More are being worked on right now :)
Well done. Thank you.
Thanks for watching!
I have the older obdlink scantool MX no plus with BT works great in leave it plugged into my car all the time and carry my phone with free obdlink software and now have bought car specific updates for obdwiz on my windows ten laptop great scanner great software
Hey Rick,
I couldn't agree more with you. The OBDLink products always work for me and give me the most information. They are my go to OBD scanner.
Finally a proper review with some data, thank you!
Hey Lolzibarzor,
Thanks for your kind words! In the next week I will be ordering few $100 scanners to review on a future episode.
Another great walkthrough and explanation of the varying devices. Many thanks for sharing.
Question... do any of these work on European cars .. specifically in my case Volvo's.
Since I am in North America, I really don't know from first hand testing.
BUT I think all "EOBD" (European On Board Diagnostic) should work starting in 2001 for gasoline engines and 2003 for diesel.
@@OBD4Everyone Many thanks.
Sure would be nice to see a more recent product video. My BAFX bluetooth, ELM327, Android version not mentioned. Thanks for the video.
I agree, however I'm not sure when that will happen.
BUT I will add it to my "To Do" list.
Thanks for the comment.
First, amazing and great informational video. Would you happen to have the network noise graph for the MX+?
No I don't. The only reason I did show that one, was to try to understand why it was so much slower that than the other "identical" EML327
In my opinion, everything I have seen made by OBDLink are high quality products and I don't think I would see anything bad on a scope.
Nice work! Would also be interested in Vgate iCar Pro and OBDLink LX Bluetooth.
Hey Christian Stoica,
Thanks for your kind words!
I few months ago, I did contact Vgate to see if they wanted me to review their iCar Pro scanner, but never received a reply. :( As the budget allows, I hope to review it in the next few months.
I will add OBDLink MX to the list of scanners to be tested next year.
Thanks for your comment :)
Yours was the most helpful video to choose an OBD scanner! I bought the Veepeak BLE+ because I wanted it to work with iOS, Android, and my Windows laptop for FORScan while maintaining an internet connection (laptop needs WiFi free to connect to phone hotspot). I have an older truck so MS-CAN/HS-CAN switching is not relevant and the connection speed is also not that important on its slower bus. Until I buy a newer car, I'm perfectly served by the Veepeak BLE+. Hope you will do a FORScan guide in the future :)
Hey godforbids,
Thanks for your kind words!
The Veepeak BLE+ is a great choice at a good price!
As luck would have it, I have been using FORscan for a few years and have easy access to a nice 2014 Mazda 3 and 2008 Ford Fusion.
I will add this to the production list for later this year.
Thanks for the idea!
Just picked up the obdlink Mx+. Price went up a bit. Great video talking about the actual specs and performance of each device.
Hey Dad Tech TV,
Thanks for your kind words!
I also notice that the price went up. For me, I still think it is the better value. Unlimited enhanced diagnostics add-ons and a 3 year warranty make it stand out from the rest.
@@OBD4Everyone is it worth the extra compared with the CS for a first time user such as myself. Just about the receive a 335d f31 and will be wanting to keep a close eye on this BM as my last one died due to dpf/Egr and oil issues.
I think it would be best to get a dedicated OBD scanner/app for a BMW.
This should allow you to read all the modules on the car and provide more data for troubleshooting.
Hi.. Important question in the following paragraph, but first, i would like to say thankyou for the very informative video you have here, appreciate all of your time put into making this, the internet nowadays is basically a limitless digital library, however some of this info is unobtainable for some due to it needing to be purchased. Its the individuals such as your self which really make an impact and help out those who just want to learn something new, dive deep into a current hobby or even lifelong passion starting from the bottom level. i realize i am alittle late to this forum and im not sure if you actively monitor this, but i do have a question..
Would any of these be compatible with a windows laptopsuch as a microsoft surface laptop? do you have a specific recommendations for the use of a laptop with OBD II diagnostics and such?
Thanks!
You are welcome!
Really rad
Thanks!
Comparing a 20 dollar OBD Scanner to a 80 dollar OBD Scanner is like comparing a Ford to a Maserati. The more expensive ones are going to have better features. You get what you pay for. In 2023 most wireless OBD Scanners are now mostly Bluetooth . i bought a OBDLink MX+ FOR 119 dollars on Amazon which only cost me 19 dollars after being approved for a Amazon Prime credit card with a 100 dollar credit. You did not mention that the OBDLink MX+ can also be hooked up to a Windows computer. So far it has worked very well and pinpointed a miss in my number 3 cylinder which I have now fixed. So OBD Scanners are definitely worth the money that you pay for them.
I agree... OBDLink products are my favourite.
Great video. Short and to the point. Will the odb link plus work with torque pro or should go wi fi? I have blue driver, Samsung tab s tablet, and 2020 Camry hybrid. Even though the blue driver is connected to my tablet, torque pro can't seem to communicate with blue driver. I went in the adapter settings and tried changing protocols between the torque pro and blue driver. The blue driver works fine on tablet with the blue driver's native app with no issues. Hence, why trying a different odbii dongle. Any light you could provide would be greatly appreciated.
It is my understanding that the BlueDriver device only works with its own app... it is not ELM327 compatible.
Hi, I live in Australia. I found your review to be Excellent. I've recently been researching OBD Scanners and settled on the OBD MX+. Expensive, however well worth it, with the good warranty and back-up. I was about to order one on-line when I came across your review. Good timing!
Interesting, last year I bought a ELM327 mini to try out. Cheap enough. Works perfectly on a 2015 YD KIA Cerato/(Forte in US market) 2.0Lit. GDi engine. Also a 2008 SsangYong (Korean) Rexton RX270 XVT Turbo Diesel (Engine & 5speed Auto Transmission made by Mercedes-Benz). A bit limited on data, however works OK. Interesting! I must have struck a good one.
I have been using TORQUE lite App., also excellent! Thank you for your research. Really enjoyed it. I have subscribed and look forward to more interesting videos.
Regards, Robert
Wow, Thanks Robert!
There are many episodes in the planning and post production phase, so there is much more to come.
Thanks for subbing!
What is the brand of the blue $5.00 scanner on Amazon ? Thanks.
Great Video! Nothing better than an Honest comparison.
How well do OBD1 to OBD2 conversion cables work on the older models?
Hey Bud Gunter,
To be honest, I have no idea, so I looked into it.
It looks like the "OBD I to OBD II" cables simply re-map the input to output.
With OBD I specifications being non-standardized and up to the manufacturer I can't see this working very good.
OBD II only uses a few different protocols:
* J1850 PWM
• J1850 VPW
• ISO9141-2 / ISO14230-4
• ISO15765 CAN
I don't know how well the older OBD I protocols would be compatible with the OBD II.
My suggestion would be to find a forum or facebook group and get their feedback. -OR- try it yourself and let me know. :)
@@OBD4Everyone Thank you for the reply I think I will try it
Good luck and please let me know how well it works. I am very curious!
Awesome, thank you!!! What's your suggestions on scan tools???
If you budget is around $100, the OBDLInk MX+ is excellent and comes with a free, full featured app: OBDLink (which is the same as OBD Fusion)
-OR- for around $30 the Vgate iCar Pro Bluetooth is also very good, but you will need to buy a good app, like OBDFusion.
If you are asking about a wired, hand held scanner, I don't know.
I don't have any hands on experience with them, but from what I have seen in helping others, they seem to be VERY limited as they often have small screens and can't display much at once. UNLESS you want to spend $500 or more for a dedicated touch screen tablet.
@@OBD4Everyone thank you!!!
Anytime :)
Great, great video. Many thanks! OBDLink MX+ should work with windows 10 according to its description. But I could not find any customer on Amazon or on youtube to confirm that. What is your opinion on that, please? I just want to make sure before I buy it.
Hey Mikayil Eliyev,
The OBDLink MX+ comes with "OBDWiz". I have used it on Windows 7 and it runs well. I would expect it to run just as good on Windows 10.
Here is a link to additional info on OBD Wiz:
www.scantool.net/obdwiz/
www.scantool.net/obdwiz/
Thank you for teaching so well. I am learning a lot. Received my VEEPEAK OBDCheck BLE OBD-II Scan Tool for my 2005 Dodge Ram 2500 5.9 Diesel. Which app would you recommend? Thanks very much, Gary
Hey Gary Thornton,
Thanks for your kind words.
My current favourite app is OBDFusion and is available for Apple iOS and Android.
@@OBD4Everyone Thanks. I will "get" today. Do you think I will be able to have a live transmission temperature gauge?
Hey Gary Thornton,
Maybe... the trick is to find what the extended PID is.
With the older vehicles (pre 2008) the diagnostic system is more closed and details are hard to find and less people are trying to reverse engineer the PIDs.
I wish you luck!
make sure you take SIZE into consideration if you plan on having your ODBII reader plugged in all the time. I have the BAFX product in my 2006 nissan sentra and it sticks out to far rubbing against my feet when I SHIFT GEARS.
That is an EXCELLENT point and will factor that into the next review.
Thanks for the tip!
@OBD4Eveyone I'm curious about the Blue driver. I saw a note in here by you 2 yr ago saying your BlueDriver had just arrived and someone else was interested in it v. the MX+. I am as well.
How about some models that can do some bi-directional testing?
Can a scanner that can make a terminal connection do bi-directional testing if you know the PID and appropriate data values? Etc.
Yes.... I am way behind on episodes and will see if I can free up some time to get a few out.
I did recently pick up an OBD scanner with bi-directional control but haven't tested it yet.
As for sending commands via a terminal, every ELM327 based scanner will accept any command /PID you send to it. The difficult part is knowing which diagnostic mode to be in, what PID to send and how to understand the reply.
Awesome video. I have a question though. I have a k dcan cable for my bmw. Can i hook that up to my Chevy trailblazer with an OBD app and have it work? Or is kdcan something totally different?
As far as I know, those BMW K+CAN / K+DCAN cables don't use ELM327 commands and won't work with this app.
Just pick up a cheap ELM327 device and you will be good to go :)
@@OBD4Everyone perfect i would have never found that info anywhere else! i bought the veepeak one thats $31
Hi I bought the mx+ from your review for iPhone . I have a 370GT and it’s not connected to the ecu . It can read the battery voltage though
Interesting... In some areas (outside of North America & Europe) the OBD port is locked down.
Where is your 370GT located?
Can you also review cable ones, tablet ones as well?
For that episode I did test three different USB based OBD scanners. Unfortunately, since they didn't all connect/work with the testing programs, I dropped them from the video.
The OBDLink SX did work with everything and was very fast!
Search for that om my channel to see how well it did.
Love the content. I am curious if any of these scanners or apps allow you to read the mileage saved on the modules like the ecu?With odometer roll back fraud on the rise this has become a concern of mine. I know blue driver has this feature, but I believe it's only with a per vehicle paid subscription for advance diagnostics. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Hey Alif Mali,
Thanks for your kind words!
Generally, specialized programs are required to read or change the odometer. Depending on the manufacturer the odometer is stored in multiple modules: engine control module, body control module, power train control module, etc. The program would need to change all of the locations or errors / trouble codes would appear.
I have used BlueDriver a little and didn't see any option to change the odometer. Maybe it depends on the vehicle make.
@@OBD4Everyone Thank you for your reply. I was only looking to Read the mileage data. Are you aware of any that allow you to read the mileage save on the modules. I want to verify that the vehicle I may be purchasing hasn't had it's odometer rolled back.
Hey Alif Mali,
I am not aware of anything that can read the mileage in the different modules.
If the mileage has been rolled back, I'm sure it would be changed in all the modules, so I am not sure if that is all that helpful.
I would look at the wear on the brake & gas pedal, steering wheel, seats, seat belts, etc to get a rough idea of actual mileage and how hard the vehicle was driven.
It is always a little risky buying a used car, so make sure to check it out inside, outside and under.
Also, if you run OBD Fusion's diagnostic report (assuming your vehicle is OBD II complaint) , you can see how much mileage the vehicle has done since the check engine light was cleared
-AND- in the Mode $09 section, you can see how many times the vehicle has been started. (Ignition Cycle Counter)
Hopefully this is helpful to you.
did you ever get around to testing the blue driver ? I am debating between the MX+ and the Blue Driver.
Hey jerry ebner,
Progress has been made... we shot the intro for it 2 days ago. Next step is to capture the screens as we go through the app. I hope to get this episode out in the next week.
Thank for the video. I have OBDLink MX+ on bluetooth connected to 2002 chevy trailblazer on SAE J1850. I'm only getting 10PIDs/s. Is that normal for the protocol?
That sounds about right to me. The older (aka non CAN bus) protocols are a little slower.
Great review, do you reccomend keeping the MX+ plugged in or would you reccomend i remove it just to be safe?
Hey Ethan Martinez,
Typically I only have it plugged in when I use it.
However, there have been a times thatI have forgot to remove it and it was plugged in for a few weeks without any issues.
@@OBD4Everyone thanks for the reply! Cant wait to get it!
Anytime :)
Do an updated review with updated dongles including the BlueDriver, please.
That is on the schedule... along with FixD and Carista :)
Can you review the new OBDLink EX?
Hey Ghazi Sarhan,
Looks interesting...
Give me some time to look into this.
Hello, I've bought the Veepeak BLE+ for my Q50S hybrid infiniti but can't make NDSIII Lite work ... I was trying to do the idle air volum learn. Any idea ? It connects well to the car but fail at init
For some reason, the NDSIII app only works on the older Bluetooth 2.0 (not Bluetooth Low Energy) , which only works with Android devices.
I think you need to buy a $10 ELM327 that says it only works on Android and you should be good to go.
Great video. I have the Lemur Bluedrive that isn't in the video. Is the new MX Plus better?
Hey Jaydon Dilpickle,
The Lemur Bluedriver will be tested in an upcoming episode: "The Best OBD Scanner for Under $100" where the OBDLink MX+, BlueDriver and others will be tested and features compared.
@@OBD4Everyone Looking forward to the comparison between the BlueDriver and MX+ as I am cross-shopping these. Any ETA for the upcoming episode?
I think the single most important factor in the choice is checking the compatibility of one's vehicle with the tool to know whether Enhanced Codes are supported for the specific model, make, year, location. BlueDriver has a web form: www.bluedriver.com/support and OBDLink has a PDF document: www.obdlink.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/app_support.pdf In my case, BlueDriver has support our vehicle while MX+ support starts only at a later model year. That fact alone might make the decision for me.
OBDLink have an entire page dedicated to why their MX+ is superior to the BlueDriver: www.obdlink.com/mxp/vs-bluedriver/ On the other hand, the BlueDriver app has free Repair Reports from Identifix which seems like they would be very useful to the typical user whose main goal is not just to read codes but to get solutions. Then again the BlueDriver app is free to use even without the BlueDriver module, so anyone could get access to those reports! BlueDriver seems to support Enhanced Codes from more manufacturers at the moment (constantly changing as both companies add updates). MX+ is more versatile with third party app support, PC support, and faster PID polling live data for those who want to use it as a performance monitoring system, though that may be a different or smaller subset of those who are looking for an OBD-II scan tool.
MX+ claims support for OEM-specific MS-CAN networks and says BlueDriver can access only HS-CAN, but BlueDriver fires back with saying that MX+ won't get HS2- Can and HS4- Can, and they will not get newer Fords HSX-CAN and on the older Fords they will not get UBP. As someone not familiar with automotive networks, I don't know what this means or how to assess its practical significance to a given user. It probably goes back to checking for specific vehicle support and ideally getting a list of readings possible.
Lastly, all these pros and cons are "on paper" and it would be great to hear knowledgeable reviews with hands-on practical use.
Hey Jaydon Dilpickle,
I the next few months, I plan on purchasing the Bluedriver and the Autel AP200 ... Then I will start to evaluate them and put together a $100 OBD scanner test episode :)
Do you know if there is a OBDII ECT (engine coolant temp) gauge only?, That's not the size of house. lol. Just want to monitor the coolant temp and wanted to do it thru the OBDII connection point. Thanks.
What about something like this: www.scangauge.com/products/scangauge-ii/
So I just downloaded ODB fusion for a 2002 Tacoma and using a 10+ year old generic ELM scanner. My PID refresh rate is about 2 per second, so would it even be worth it to but a newer scanner? I did the live 02 sensor test from your other video but the refresh was so slow it wasn't very diagnostic. I also looked at the data from a log file with 10 PIDS selected and it looks like the refresh rate is about every 5 seconds or so. I also have Dash Command and the display update seems to be a little quicker but there is very little support with that app.
Most Asian vehicles built before 2008 use the ISO-9141 protocol for OBD communications. It is not very fast at 12,500 bits per second, so you may only get 2-4 PID updates per second.
A newer OBD scanner won't speed things up, the low speed of the protocol is the bottleneck.
Some OBD apps use "smoothing" to simulate a more responsive gauge, which can make you think that app works faster. (and it does look nicer!)
With your 2002 Toyota, your hands are tied and there is nothing you can do increase the PID speed. (I assume you have "fast poll" turned on, and dwell is set to 0)
Thanks for the great video. I just started my search for a good affordable OBD scanner and it's very hard to decide with so many options.
What happened to the future videos you were planning on doing? I would be very interested to see one with the current popular offerings such as BlueDriver and OBD Link MX+.
Those videos are still on the production schedule, but they are delayed. This channel is 99% self funded and those funds were needed to be moved due to the current events.
Pre-production should restart in about 4-5 weeks :)
I have run elm mini with 0 problems for years
Me too.... until I got that bad one.
I ended up taking it apart and noticed that there were 2 pins that were missing solder, resulting in a bad/noisy connection.
I just bought a obdII reader for my 2015 Dodge Ram. I was wondering if I could activate my turn signals and puddle lights in the mirrors with this? I saw that Alfaobd app can but that’s for Android and not iPhone
Hey Brandyn Goodwin,
I don't have any experience customizing Dodge (or Fiat Chrysler Autos) vehicles, but if an Android app can do it, all you need to do is find an iOS app that does the same, assuming one exists.
Your other option is buy a used Android phone or tablet for cheap and use that.
I have the veepeak obd +/ i wonder if getting a blutooth app and connecting to the obd2 will make a deference
I don't follow... A difference in what?
Which can I use (BT/WiFi) to simply register my BMW? Works with ProTool?
(Changing battery requires communicating to car’s control module the battery specs, amperage, etc.)
Thanks much!
Sorry, but I don't know. You might want to try bimmer forums or bimmer fest and see what they have figured out.
Good luck!
All this info is great but I'm wondering... my check engine light is on so I bought the cheapy one (that you said you could not connect to) with hopes that it will identify why the light is on and of course clear the code when it's fixed. Is this possible? It sounds like if I can connect to it, it will just be monitoring the engine's performance?! And yes, when the check engine light came on, I did in fact open the hood and looked for the engine! I found it too right there where it's been for the last 20 years or so! 😊
Quick side story:
A while ago, I looked into why I couldn't connect to it. As it turned out, the factory didn't program the Bluetooth module.
Anyways, if you can connect to it, just about any OBD app will give you the code.
Your challenge is to understand what that code means and how to troubleshoot it.
The code description doesn't always mean that is the problem.
is BlueDriver Bluetooth Pro OBDII Scan Tool for iPhone & Android able to scan european cars as well and is there a list of models that it covers? I know that this video is 4 years old, so I am interested if it is still a good buy.
Sorry, but I don't have access to modern European cars to test.
Hello. maybe you can take a look at vgate vlinker mc+?
Hey justinas margelis,
Thanks for the tip... I will look into this.
It sure looks a lot like the OBDLink products.
Nice video！Sir，My car is a 2008 audi a6l 3.2 quattro made in china, i bought several wireless obd adapters, but none of them can connect to the ecu, i use the torque pro app, i really don't know what else to do , can you help me think of a way?
As I understand it, vehicles made for the Chinese marketplace didn't need to be OBD compliant until 2009.
If that is accurate, no OBD device will be able to connect to you engine computer / ECU.
@@OBD4Everyone Oh,Thank you sir!
Hey can i use any of them with the revheadz app?
Sorry, but I'm don't know anything about that app.
What does their product support page say?
Thank you for these videos. Perhaps you could explore the effect of different gateway modules in a new video. Most owners will not achieve anything close to the OBD refresh rates that you mention, because most cars manufactured in recent years include a gateway module between the CAN buses and the DLC3 (OBD-II) port. This gateway limits OBD data flow in ways that are typically not disclosed.
For example, in an ‘old’ car (2006 Honda Civic Vti with 29 bit / 500k CAN bus) I get ~78 SAE PIDs/sec from MX+ and ~160 SAE PIDs/sec from SX, as reported by the OBDLink app (with MAF fuel calculation, ‘fast polling’ and 0 dwell, no gauges or logging) using a Samsung Tab S2. In a ‘newer’ car (2019 Toyota RAV4H with 11 bit / 500k CAN bus) I get ~15 and ~22 PIDs/sec respectively with the same OBD set-up. The reason is the gateway module in the newer car. Features of the gateway (typically secret) also affect which OBD software appears fastest, and the value of tweaks like time-out settings.
Another topic to consider is 'power solutions' for USB OBD readers like the OBDLink SX. This OBD reader greatly reduces its drain on the car battery when 'asleep', but in my experience it continues to draw ~80 mA from the USB port of the Android host device, even when the host device is asleep. Most Android devices have only a single (micro) USB port for both charging and data exchange. Therefore, those who wish to log or view OBD data on a long trip, or leave the set-up connected when the car is off, will need a 'power solution'. This is much easier for some Android devices than for others.
I love comments like these... you have done your homework!
As I see it, once a vehicle has ADAS (advanced driver assistant systems) the OBD port has a gateway, to protect the network from easy access to it, and the OBD data PID rate is much slower.
One option, is to connect to the CAN bus after the OBD gateway, but that requires a wiring diagram, which may not be easy to find.
As for power solutions, some vehicles do have ignition power at the OBD connector. With a custom cable, this would allow the OBD device only to be power when the engine is on. Unfortunately, not all manufactures support this :(
@@OBD4Everyone Thanks Frank. It looks like the speed limitation is through the OBD request rate, as J2534 gives much higher data rates from the same CAN pins in the same DCL3 port. On power, the problem is not the car battery (the OBDLink SX draws only 0.16 mA there when asleep) but the Android host device battery (from which the OBDLink SX continues to draw ~80 mA). One also needs to power the host device while running the SX (usually through the same micro-USB / OTG port). It gets a little easier with wireless charging or USB-C, but still a challenge if the SX remains connected between drives. A solution (eg a custom-made pass-through power adapter to exploit Samsung muic.h) is easier for some Android devices than others.
Hello and thank you for the great review.. I am doing a technical evaluation of OBD2 Dongles as I need to make an iOS app that communicates with these adapters. I have an OBDMX+ and a UnicarScan and could not find info about the frequency/Rate(Hz or bps) at which pid data can be retrieved. If I understood well, with an OBDMX+ you can retrieve up to 42 different pid data updates per second? Thank you in advance.
Hey Souhail Marghabi,
Yes, but that was on a 2011 Infiniti G37, on the 500 kbs CAN bus protocol.
You might want to use the free app from your OBDLink MX+ called OBDLink. Then connect and touch Settings > About > Information and the PID speed will be displayed.
Please keep in mind different vehicles will give you different speed results, depending on how quickly the ECM/PCM responds. PLUS newer vehicles have an OBD gateway to protect the car's network and greatly reduce the PID speed.
Good luck on your project!
OBD4Everyone Thank you very much gor the info, I just checked with a OBD2-Simulator(Diamex) anf it seems to show a frequency of 15 pids/second. Not sure if that is fast or not.
Hey Souhail Marghabi,
Generally, the faster the better. From my testing, 15 PIDs/second is in the middle between fast and slow.
Thanks. Does a less expensive scanner also read ABS data/codes or just engines data/codes? Hence, lets say a VP11 versus a VP BLE or VP BLE+.
It is the software/app that knows how to request the ABS (or any other module) data.
Even the cheap ELM327 based OBD devices have the required hardware to read from all modules.
@@OBD4Everyone Interesting.....I just purchased a Blue Driver but now I guess some less expensive alternatives are available. Thanks for the quick response.
Hey great episode friend enlighting...I am looking for an obd scanner Bluetooth-wifi that can read European cars that has no secret charges over years for updates and have the ability to reset.what do you propose?except from the mx the other scanners have the ability to reset faults or to updating through time?
Unfortunately, I don't have any experience working on European cars, so I don't have anything to offer.
@OBD4Everyone Do you have any experience with Konnwei obd2 bluetooth?
Also, do you have any experience with using a bluetooth obd2 with checking an electric vehicle main electric battery. (Not the 12 volt battery)
Sorry, but I don't.
For me, I prefer an OBD device that supports an app.
This way you should be able to log live data to a file, which can be very helpful to understanding a problem vs only looking at the current data value.
Unfortunately, I don't have any access to an electric car, so I don't know anything about that.
Which is the best to used in 2013 BMW X1 (BT). Man just don't know if MX+ or BLE+ ... Help
I don't know. BMW diagnostic systems typically need special apps/hardware to read/reset all the modules.
Your best bet is to ask on Reddit or a X1 forum to see what works best for you.
Will the Veepak obdcheck ble work with alpha obd ?
I don't know... What does AlphaOBD show as supported devices?
Are the cheap generic usb obd2 scanner is more faster than a generic obd2 scanner? Just wondering...
That is difficult to answer... It depends on the speed of the OBD scanner AND how quickly the engine computer responds to OBD requests... Most cars made in the last 5+ years have an OBD gateway which greatly slows down the speed of an external OBD scanner.
was the speed on the OBDLink MX+ consistent? it seems far faster than the other models. and if i am understanding correctly, would send information updates more often to whatever app or program you are using to monitor. is that correct?
The update speed is mostly determined by the protocol the car or modules uses. A pre-2008 Honda/Nissan/Toyota uses the slower ISO-9141 protocol that is only 12,500 bits per second.
Most cars made from 2008+ use CAN bus (500,000) bits per second so the update rate *CAN* be much faster. (assuming there isn't a "gateway" to controls the data flow on and off the car's diagnostic network)
In my opinion, with a quality product like the OBDLink, the speed you get is the fastest you can get from the car.
@@OBD4Everyone got it. Thank you so much for the reply and being so thorough. I am ordering the MX+.
Is there a list anywhere that will tell you what vehicles support what PID's?
Hey J Jack,
There is no list of supported PIDs for different vehicles that I know of.
Nice comparison. What about Japanese cars? I have two engines. Toyota Supra VVTi 2JZ-GTE 1999 and a Century 1GZ-FE 2004. They have the OBDII plug but they have something like ISO14230 protocol but JOBD. Does any of these adapters support these ECUs? I purchaced the cheap ones that you throw to the trash can and I always get a BUS INIT: ERROR
thanks
I have no way of testing on Japanese market vehicles.
Under the hood, there is an engine label that list the emission devices and if it is OBD compliant.
It is my understanding that Japanese made vehicles destine for the US/Canada market cars are OBD compliant, BUT Japanese market cars are not OBD compliant.
@@OBD4Everyone Thank you for your quick reply. I did some more searching and it seems that obdlink support also Japanese cars. In their web page at the bottom of the specs they state JOBD support. I also signed up in their forum and I found successful connections using some initialization commands. I also found on the internet that the cheap ones(like the ones you threw on the bin) do not use the original ELM327 chip but a Chinese copy. Do you know if obdlink is ELM327 or is it something different?
Can we get plugged in Veepeak ble for all the time in the car and if yes what are the drawbacks of plugged in
I don't know the answer to that... You might want to contact Veepeak and see what they say.
Did you happen to test the Carista adapter?
I have one and am getting only 7 PIDs/second according to the info screen in OBD Fusion (latest version) on my iPhone. I'm thinking it's a little slow, but maybe my car's ECU could be the bottleneck here?
Hey swineone,
Yes I have one and tested it.
On my iPhone 6S, OBDFusion showed about 25 PIDs/second on a 2011 Infiniti G37, using the 500 Kb/s CAN bus.
If you are getting 7 PIDs/second, I suspect your car's network is using one of the older and slower protocols. To check, once you are connected, touch settings > about > information to see what protocol (and speed) your vehicle uses.
@@OBD4Everyone I just checked and it's using "ISO 15765-4 CAN (11 bit ID, 500 Kbaud)", so it's a CAN bus. I wouldn't expect otherwise as it's a MY 2020 car (Volkswagen up!). I guess some ECUs are just higher performance than others, and can reply faster to requests.
Hey swineone,
Keep in mind, the scan tool has the lowest priority on the CAN bus. This is by design so the more critical operations are not interrupted.
It is my understanding that some German cars use a "gateway" where the OBD data is controlled and protects the main CAN bus.
Newer cars are doing a much better job of protecting the car's network from hacking and remote control. I think this "gateway" is one way this is being done.
Just curious cause I don’t remember hearing this. Which scanner for Apple scans all controllers?
When you say "Apple" I assume you mean iOS and not Mac...for iOS, OBDLink MX+ wil do that on most vehicles.
Check their website to see what is available for your vehicle.
Obdlink mx+. Can i change my fuel tank DTE with an ipad and not a laptop. I upgraded my fuel tank from 23 gallon to 36. Can i change it without a laptop. Thnk you for theninfo as well
Not that I know of... The MX+ is read only.
To do what you want, I suspect the cluster or other module will need to be re-programmed so it knows about the larger tank.
I have no idea who can do this, but I wish you luck!
hello, and Bluedriver? is in the same price range than OBDLink MX+.... thanks
Hey ChivoElectriko,
Good news, it will be ordered next week and then the data collection begins :)
I am wondering why the BlueDriver Bluetooth Pro OD II wasn't included?
Simple answer: I didn't have one then... Now I do :)
It will be in a future review.
What is the update status on the blue driver vs mx+ video?
Hey Renals Homlmes,
The testing is done and the episode is in the process of being put together.
One of the biggest differences, is that the BlueDriver only works with its own app. OBDLink MX+ works with their app and any other OBD app.
Does wifi version works on the Forscan windows ?
I don't have a Ford to test on right now, but I do think it would work. You might want to check at the ForScan forums: forscan.org/forum/
What's your opinion on the one from Innova?
Which one?
@@OBD4Everyone sorry I wasn't clear. It was the 3215rs that I was looking at.
I have Jeep Liberty 2008 and Mercedes Benz C300 2015, What do you suggest for me please?
Hey John Noah,
That's difficult for me to answer. I don't know how much you want to spend, or how you want to use them. Do you want to clear codes (speed not an issue) or data logging (faster is better)
The OBD scanner I use the most is the OBDLink MX, it is fast, well built, comes with OBDLink (almost same as OBD Fusion) and has a 3 year warranty.
If I didn't have the OBDLink scanner, I would use the BLE / BLE+ from Veepeak.
Or you can try your luck on the VERY cheap ELM327 clones.
Now as for the OBD apps, Torque Pro is OK, but I find OBDFusion has a much more logical layout and that fantastic diagnostic report.
Good luck with what ever you decide!
Hey,
OBD4Everyone, is everything alright? You haven't updated the video for a long time, and I want to say your diagnostic training video is really great!
Your professionalism is what we need. Can we have a chance to do some videos great together? Maybe we can have a long-term cooperation in the future. Hope we can work together!
Hey Autoolsee store,
Thanks for asking and yes everything is good. The last year was spent researching OBD systems, CAN bus communications, and evaluating BlueDriver / FixD / Carista / OBDLink MX+
I think it would be interesting to have a comparison between an app/wireless OBD scanner and a wired touchscreen tablet.
Over the next few days, I will spend some time on your website and contact you there.
Thanks for reaching out.
I just sent an email to your support address. Looking forward to hearing from you soon.
The veepeak vp11 is just a branded elm327 the elm327 mini is a good one purchased one from a good seller foor 13€ (15$us) the extra 5 bucks is because they test them before they shipem
Based on my experience, the VeePeak is a better product than the generic ELM327. Did you test for any speed difference?
So my truck cluster went out I bought a new cluster now only the mph work on it , all the other gauges don’t work . I had someone fix the wiring harness on the back and nothing changed . Now I’m being told all the wires are gonna have to be pulled out and looked at to see if they are not burned ( I just want to know my mph and temperature at all times ) . I bought scanner but it has a wire on it so it gets in my way (it works tho). I just want to know if these are safe to keep plugged in at all times as an alternative to the cluster .
It depends on the OBD scanner. You want to make sure it has a "low power sleep mode". If it doesn't, then after a week or two you might have a dead battery.
Off the top of my head, the OBDLink MX+ has a sleep mode and only uses 0.002 amps. www.obdlink.com/products/obdlink-mxp/
Cheaper scanners may also have a power saver mode, I just can't think of any right now.
@@OBD4Everyonethank you !
Liking the obdlink mx but how does it compare with blue driver?
Hey lizzardlife,
My BlueDriver, FIXD and Vgate iCar Pro scanners arrived last week.
Testing will be starting next week :)
@@OBD4Everyone ill watch for it. Thanks
The mx+ is now $140 in US whereas bluedriver is $100. Which do you suggest I buy for 2008 camry?
Good question!
If you are the type of person who likes to do your own diagnostics and has access to the factory shop manual, I think the MX+ is still a good deal.
If you don't have the skills/space/time to do any troubleshooting then I think BlueDriver is a good option.
The other option is a VeePeak OBD scanner and a good OBD app like OBD Fusion. Total cost should be under $50 depending on what country you live in.
I recently purchased the VeePeak BLE. Is it a good idea to leave it permanently plugged in my car, or should I only plug it in when I want to check something?
Hey noodlefoo,
At Veepeak.com there is a FAQ and one of the questions is:
Can I leave the device plugged in all the time?
Answer:
You can leave the Bluetooth models plugged in if you are driving the vehicle frequently. Depending on the battery condition, if you leave your car sitting for days to weeks, we recommend that you remove the OBD2 device. We do not suggest that you leave the WiFi model plugged in if it’s not in use. WiFi consumes significantly more power than Bluetooth.
For me, I only have it plugged in when I am using it to scan codes or log data.
Thanks for you comment!
I am very interested into buying the same VeePeak BLE. Are you satisfied with it? Do you have it plugged in all the time?
Would you recommend the BlueDriver over the OBDLink MX+?
Hey Bernardo Aguila,
I really don't know.... yet :)
The BlueDriver is on order and I will be testing soon.
Hey J J,
You are right... It arrived this morning.
Unfortunately, I won't be able to start evaluating for about 2 weeks.
The paid projects must be completed before the free ones :)
Hello
That was an excellent and very informative video. I do have a couple of questions, before I saw this video I had picked up one of the Elm 327 mini adaptors and I was able to pare it with my RCA Viking android tablet using Torque Pro application. I was able to get it working with a few of the features. A few days later I came across a video that some guy claimed that using the Elm 327 mini adaptor burned out his ECU computer on his car ? I immediately removed it from my car. I was just wondering if anyone else here has had or heard of this problem happening to them with the Elm 327 mini adaptor ?
The other problem I had was with Torque Pro App ? I’m ruining this setup on a 2008 Prius hybrid second gen. I wanted to check the main hybrid drive HV battery, When I Tried to load in the 14 PIDs for the HV Battery blocks onto the grid that I needed to test my Hybrid main drive battery, they would load and work but would not stay on the screen when I shut down the Torque Pro app. I could not find a way to save them ? And had to reload them in every time I brought up the Torque Pro app. I had the same problem trying to enter and load my cars profile information it kept saying “ unable to save profile “ I don’t know if these problems are related in some way ?
If anyone can help with either of these problems I would appreciate it, sorry for the long comment but I cant seem to find anyone on the internet that has any answers and I wanted to be clear about what I was experiencing.
Thank You
Hey Louie Testa,
I guess it is possible for a bad/cheap ELM327 to damage an ECU, but I have never seen or heard about this happening. The ECU are designed to handle voltage spikes and shorts, so I wouldn't worry about it.
For peace of mind, you might want to consider a better known brand like OBDLInk, Vpeek, Foseal, Vgate, etc.
As for your torque problems, you might want to try their support forum:
torque-bhp.com/forums/?wpforumaction=viewforum&f=1.0
Good luck!
OBD4Everyone
Thank You for taking the time to answer my questions. I agree with you, better safe then sorry so I ordered a new OBDLINK MX+ I will know more when it gets here and I can retest everything. The last time that I used the ELM 327 all 14 of my voltage blocks reported relativity consistent numbers and a few other gauges were working also before I tossed it in the trash. I would think if their was something wrong with my ECU unit I wouldn’t have got any response at all, so I’m pretty sure it’s ok. I will know more when I check it on the new OBDLINK MX+. I’m looking forward to that.
I ended up with about a 2.5 volt difference on all 14. Blocks so I’m 97 % sure I’m going to have to replace the hybrid main drive battery.
Take care and stay safe from the virus 🦠
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Hey Louie Testa,
I think you will be VERY happy with the OBDLink MX+
It is my current favourite OBD tool.
Also it comes with a free app, OBDLink, which is the same as OBDFusion and is very good.
Thanks for subscribing and good luck!
Where is most popular Bafx or Bluedrive ? When you test OBD Link you can also use LX version... I just need answer which one and how much PID support ? There are some android apk called ELM327 Identifire, so that will show all scanner supported PID. Also think that import, or just give more point to scanner who can use more diferent apk, not only manufacturer supported/made.
Hey FuriousHondaBoy,
I have been using the BlueDriver for a few months and hope to get the review episode out soon. It is a bit of a different product...
There are a lot of OBD scanners on the market and I don't have the resources (financial or time) to buy them all and review them...
In the example of BAFX, their products are a little outdated as they don't offer a Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE) scanner. They only offer Android only Bluetooth (v2) or Wifi. I like to do reviews on devices that work on both Android and iOS without loosing a connection to the internet (any wifi scanner prevents you from connecting to the internet, bluetooth LE does not)
As for your question on PID support, that is determined by the app... not the hardware or OBD scanner.
The "ELM327 Identifirer" is an app that tell you which version of ELM327 the scanner supports. That has nothing to do with how many PIDs it supports. Again, that is determined by the app.
The app I recommend is OBD Fusion. It is available on Android and iOS, it is full featured and runs very well.
As for an OBD scanner, the $30 Vgate iCar Pro BLE is quick and inexpensive. If you want a faster OBD scanner, the $100 OBDlink MX+ is a good choice.
@@OBD4Everyone thanks for answer and good work man.
What you think about OBDLink LX ?
Subd 👍🥂
Thanks for subbing!
I don't have any hands on experience with the OBDLink LX.
In looking at the spec sheet, it looks to be a good OBD scanner,.
BUT it only works on Android devices and doesn't support the second network (MS CAN) on Ford vehicles.
If you have an Android phone, the LX looks to be a good deal and comes with the full featured OBDLink app (which is the same as the paid OBDFusion) and it should cover your needs for a long time.
What blm software version is the vpeak ble one
I assume you meant ELM version....
It states ELM327 v2.2, but tested to v1.4
I have the one you cudnt connected to,, password for mine is 1234, but i cant connect it to the torque app.. Or any other app, my car is 2007 daihatsu sirion 1.3L
Hey Abdullah salman,
Your car might not be OBD-2 compliment. Under the hood or somewhere around the engine, there should be an engine information label and it should state "OBD 2 Certified" or something like that.
Also, you can use this link (www.obdlink.com/obdlink-vehicle-compatibility/) to find out what year different countries mandated OBD 2.
Good luck!
is there a scanner available with two way communication, within reason?
If I can Make smogging my herd of Camrys less painful, i'm willing to spend some money.
Hey Paul Mohney,
Not that I am aware of, those tools are crazy expensive!
Why is it difficult to pass smog?
@@OBD4Everyone the last time I had my wife's car smogged, it cost me over $400, I'm sure if had a good diagnostic tool it would have been substantially less
Hey Paul Mohney,
You don't need 2-way communication (as in read and write) to understand why a vehicle may not pass smog.
For example, the OBD Fusion app (iOS and Android), has a very nice diagnostic report and it shows all codes, with a description and shows the status of the monitors.
Once you have the codes, you can do an online search to learn more about common fixes.
Here is an episode I did showing the diagnostic report:
iOS OBD Fusion's Fantastic Diagnostic Report: OBD4Everyone Ep. 8
th-cam.com/video/ewNJDpWCKe4/w-d-xo.html
OBDLink MX+ does it have updates for free or is it subscription yearly
Here is the best thing about the OBDLink MX+.... FREE updates forever AND they update the app and device firmware 2-5 times per year.
@@OBD4Everyone Thank you for that does the OBDLink MX+... work on most cars doing the same on most cars??
It does work on all cars sold in North America.
If you want to know if it works for cars in other countries, OBDLink has a nice chart:
www.obdlink.com/obdlink-vehicle-compatibility/
Can i get one to work on my OBD1 1996 toyota land cruiser J80?
Hey Gehad Nada,
That's a tough question to answer. All 1996 cars were required to be OBD 1 certified. However, I don't think the Land Cruiser is categorized as a car.
Look at the under side of the hood. There will be a sticker that shows the emission systems install on the car and if it is OBD certified, it will say something like "OBD Certified"
With the pre-2008 vehicles, the PID speed will be VERY slow, maybe 5-8 per second. This is due to the speed of the protocol that was used.
Good luck!
Thanks for the quick reply.
I had a look at the fuse box, I did not find the OBD2 connection.
I know that OBD2 was in force post 1996 in the US.
My truck was manufactured for Gulf Countries (GCC standard)
I have a diagnosis plug at the passenger side under the hood, I guess thats an OBD1 port.
My question is if I get an OBD1 to OBD2 converter, and an OBD2 scanner like OBDlink MX or so, will it pull any data out?
Hey Gehad Nada,
I don't think a OBD converter will work. OBD II has strict definitions on the protocols that must be used.
However, OBD 1 can use any protocol they want , including their own manufacture specific protocols.
Sorry I can't be more help. I don't have any information on Gulf market vehicles.
Blue Driver is the Best!" Why didn't you review it!?"
I have one and will review it in the next month :)
Please please please tell an obdII scanner for Golf MK4 GTI , cablebywire not wirebywire, year early 2000 with ECU Protocol KWP1281 and not KWP2000 , except OBDEleven !!! I am searching for 3 years now and i cant find anything compatible with me ECU!
Hey Dimitris Christopoulos,
Since your VW is made before 2001, there is a good chance it is not OBD compliant all OBD scanners won't work.
Under the hood, look for the emissions label, and see if it says something like "OBD certified" . If you see that, any OBD scanner should work for the basic OBD items.
@@OBD4Everyone it is obdii sertificated. Because of the older protocol kwp1281 I can't find any adapter. Only Obdeleven. That's why I asked you if I can find another with better graphics. Thank you very much.
Hey Dimitris Christopoulos,
I don't have very much experience with VW vehicles from the early 2000s, so I don't think I will be any help.
The only thing I found was this:
store.ross-tech.com/shop/vchv2_ent/
@@OBD4Everyone yes I know that. Ok thank you for your time
Just wondering if there are any zero interface devices available that stores data in a local storage.
If you are asking about data logging, OBDFusion, OBDLink, Torque Pro and most OBD apps can save the OBD data to a local file in a CSV format that any spreadsheet program can open and view.
@@OBD4Everyone Thanks for responding, yes I was talking about data logging. These devices seem to use an app. Is there a way to log the data without any app?
Not really. The app converts the raw data of the OBD requests to something readable.
There are devices that will log OBD data (speed, RPM, throttle position, etc) to an SD card, maybe that would meet your requirement?
@@OBD4Everyone Yes, That's exactly what we are looking for. It would be great to know if you have any idea about such devices. Thanks!
Here is one example: www.csselectronics.com/pages/obd2-data-logger-sd-memory-convert
or just search for "OBD data logger" to find other options.
Good luck!
Hello I am looking for the best Bi-directional scanner with the most features, & maybe free lifetime updates, as well as help & support for the least or a reasonable amount of money. Since I'm a new DIY person can you suggest some for me. Thank you. Please respond as soon as possible.
Hey anthony sada,
When you say "bi-directional" I assume that you mean you would like to turn on/off components of an engine or body. In that case, the factory scan tool (~$3,000+) or a high end Autel or Snap-On. Typical price starts at $1,000 and up.
I have not tested any "bi-directional" scanners, so I can't recommend one.
However, if you are just starting DIY work, I don't think you need a bi-directional scanner. I know I haven't needed one. If you agree, the OBDLink MX+ is a good choice.
@@OBD4Everyone Does your opinion include better than the Lemur BlueDriver?
Hey anthony sada,
The BlueDriver is not bi-directional.
If you are new to working on your own car the BlueDriver is an OK choice, as it is very easy to use, but it is a little slow.
It can data log, but it is a little slow at 10 PIDs/second. Also when scanning all modules it can take more then 5 minutes!
It can scan most modules for codes and clear them, however it only gives access to generic OBD data, so you can't get any live data from other modules like the transmission control module, ABS module, etc.
For less money the OBDLink MX+ is about 4x faster, and can provide live data from most modules on the car's network.
In the next month, I should have a full review out.
@@OBD4Everyone Yes I am looking for a bi-directional that has the most features possible, as inexpensive as possible, with possibly free lifetime updates or at least inexpensive ones. I hear Autel makes good ones or a Foxwell scanner. With someone of your knowledge and expertise your help in this matter would be invaluable & I would certainly look at any that you would suggest. Thank you
Hey anthony sada,
I don't have any hands on experience with the handheld (Autel / Foxwell) OBD scanners, so I won't be any help. For me, they are too costly to justify for the occasional DIY use.
Good luck on your hunt for the product that meets your needs!
Can you bleed abs with these?
Typically no... the buffer size of the ELM327 is too small and can't process the messages quick enough.
@@OBD4Everyone Thank you for your reply!
anytime :)
The internet is a wonderful thing
Agreed :)
You, what why have not any of the after market Raido guy's have not made a Raido to read OBD2 if the did it would be Number one on the market. All they need is the cable from the radio to the port
True and many Android based head units do exactly that.
What happened to BlueDriver? Isn't that a OBD scanner?
Hey Mike,
Good news... that is #3 on the production list and hope to have it out by mid April.
No bluedrive?
Not yet... but soon! The app was recently updated and I need to go back and re-verify my findings.
Speed isn't very exciting for me, as long as I find what my oxygen imbalance is coming from... i just brought it to the garage, for 55 bucks, their obd readout gave me very little to work on, i have to buy an obd scanner better than the ones of the far right and far left tha tworks, i didnt manage to connect to either a ford 2001 or a chrysler 2001 using the cheapest ones there. zero ecu coms.
I should explain the reason why speed is important. When looking (graphing or datalogging) an oxygen sensor, air flow sensor or anything else that changes rapidly, if you only get a few updates per second, you won't see a lot of the data.
Like you, I learned that the cheap OBD scanners are not very good. I think a Veepeak or even iCar Pro would well for you and I think they are $20 - $30.
As for "a better OBD scanner", the enhanced functionality is due to the software, not the hardware (OBD scanner)
If you want something very close to "dealer" level scan tool, look into OBDFusion with the $14 enhanced diagnostic add-on. In the case of my car, it provided an additional 223 data item (PIDs)