2:09 "You need something to disturb perfection, so that retroactively the mirage of perfection emerges" very insightful comment here, and I think he explains it very well with his metaphor lol
Isnt this a paradox? If he assumes that you need to disrupt perfection, then that implies that perfection actually does exist and isnt just a mere mirage, as he put it.
It is only through the fall (of truth), that 'that through which the fall becomes', emerges Reflection on the things that are through necessity, and the subsequent realisation that our limited human capacity cannot represent the world in itself perfectly, brings us back to the question on what the things *really* are
You can either separate yourself from chaos in order to be free, but you can also embrace the chaos in order to be free. I think chaos can never be eliminated as it is an inseparable part of reality, a balance. As Zizek says that without imperfection there is no perfection. Thus you must embrace the balance in order to be free, as once you realise that it is not possible to exist in a reality without chaos and that chaos is part of reality itself then you no longer have the need to eliminate it.
Okay but Zizek literally says that he celebrates _imbalance._ What we think of as "balance" in his tradition of Hegel and Lacan is the closest conceivable thing to Pure Ideology. If you really think about it critically, what does it _actually_ mean to accept chaos as an integral part of reality to where we are no longer compelled to eliminate it? Isn't that conception of our engagement with the world the very embodiment of cynicism? _We can't change this chaotic world we live in, so why bother?_
I think what truth is referring zizek here is so different to the truth being referred to by buddhists or other transcendental “philosophies“. Cant really approach they're depth through pure rationality. One must delve deep, as he said not from outside, but “falling“ into the practice, to meet that wich is presented by the philosophy. I wonder if zizek has ever got into these eastern mystical practices. And also, the whole plot of jesus coming as god on earth is to point out and show the path to god. That wich is hidden has to be found just elsewhere. And yes, division may be the truth also, but we know division... What about unity?
Interestingly, the ontology that Zizek outlines in 'The Parallax View' (his self-proclaimed magnum opus) is adapted from the Japanese philosopher Kojin Karatani, who was in turn inspired by the Kyoto School of philosophy, an early 20th century Japanese philosophical movement that combined Zen Buddhism and German idealism
@@spindrift4504 im not talking about philosophy when I mention the east. I mean practice. Direct experience through a non rational process. Its like someone talking about the DMT experience without having tried it for real. Its not something you access through reason. But I guess some philosophers and scientists just dont enter these realms. I love zizek btw.
When atheists are ‘descender kabbalists’...As opposed to ‘ascender christians’...as an exp. basically he shares a near total Judaic view of the material universe.
on the materialism yeah it resembles , but there's a reason why he says christian and not jewish atheist. Christianity is much more radically materialist
" I cannot go into this now ..." even more famous than the "so on and so on and so on ~" Any religion is an instrument of power to control the people . That's what I'm sayin ! PURE IDEOLOGY and so on and so on ~ but I cannot go into this now 🤷♂️°•.
And of course we should be under control. But what happens if religion actually has somw truth in it and is a good path to be in. Dont forget that every human society prior to our modern world (and rome) where in some way or another deeply religious and spiritual. It is a natural thing to exists for humanity. It is a necessary thing. I dont get why people dismiss religion instead of embracing it and making it a good thing for our times.
@@diegoperezsommariva2509 "dismissing religion" ? Let me tell you why : I doubt the sum total of it's so called benefits can be seen as higher than the destructive effects caused by the wars and bloodshed killing raping done in the name of religion . Religion talks about being a servant to the higher goal or even to submit oneself to an unidentifiable entity. Its all about serving and by that there is ABSOLUTELY no spirituality in religion ! We are nothing but perfumed apes loving a helluva fight 💥🤼♀️💥 Religious teaching is only pointing towards this , but has no effective cure or help to offer. We cannot escape our natural programming . Millennia of that self-improvement business have utterly failed. I go one step further and maintain : the misery we find ourselves in , is mainly caused by the attempt to become a better version of oneself. Individually and collectively . Under the egis of religion we have destroyed the biosphere. Religion has FAILED - That's the obvious summary of what everyone can see . That's why ! .•°
@@farrider3339 Men, you are blaming religion for something that we humas do in any context. You say religion became the reason of war. But it is that we made it a reason for war. Wars and violence has been happening forever and for many reasons. We just love it, and its a shame. But if you take religion out of the questions wars wont end, injustice wont end. Also if you claim that the reaons for the misery is trying to become a better person I dont know what to say man xD that is just a hilarilus claim. And yes, religion has spiritual ends, because it mainly promotes internal values, like self control and purity of self. Of course that can turn uglier and less effective, but it is our job to interprert them better, like with everything in human life. I dont think its dismissall is the answer. And on the topic of faith and service being a problem I have to wonder if it would lead to a proper conversation with you, probably not. Anyway, I hope that if you answer you actually provide some sort of ground to tour claims and fair arguments.
@@diegoperezsommariva2509 no spiritual end anywhere . Religion is always concerned about something material. Long Life Good Health Peace and understanding and so on and so on ~ Precisely no so called spirituality anywhere in religious field. Fairytales without substance or evidence. You first part - I can agree . Man loves a helluva 🔥 🤼♂️ 💥 and he will everlastingly continue with this. But the rest is psychobabble . Self ? Where is it , except as a figment of your imagination ? Control the Self ? Why - to become a better version of yourself . Internal values ? Pure urine or what ? You have been utterly mislead by the societal brianwash and find yourself unable to question the rumors and pristine teachings ! And now live with it and good luck .•°
most European philosophers do still hold roughly the same old sense of Buddhism Schopenhauer and Nietzsche held - and clearly many never even got to 20th century interpretations of Buddhism in East Asia.
Boodhism not religion is ☝️1 Lotta abstractions they use 2 Coming from a different societal setting 3 Boodhism is Hinduism stripped for export ZeN has the ability to make you desperate , because as they freely admit : *There is nothing there to get* >>Looking at the bamboo in the garden : What a long one that is What a short one this is ~ and the monk got enlightened 💡
@Goodie2shoes "Even though the Buddha forbade the taking of life, he also taught that until all sentient beings are united together through the exercise of infinite compassion, there will never be peace. Therefore, as a means of bringing into harmony those things which are incompatible, killing and war are necessary." - Shaku Soen (Suzuki's Zen master) in response to Leo Tolstoi's appeal for peace during the russo-japanese war.
@@youtastelikered i would go one step further and say : One form of life lives on another form of life ! By that , the mutual killing is representing the harmonious ,.peaceful functioning of the entire universe. So we're meeting an insoluble riddle when we look at the idea of peace as is it thought and talked about (all sentient beings should be this that and the other , bliss , beatitude , harmony
It used to bother me, too. I wouldn’t watch him for a long time because of it. But somewhere along the line I gave him another chance, and at some point I just stopped being distracted by it.
to celebrate the Fall and 'muh buddhism justifies war crimes' are all quite subtle and manipulative attempts to seduce one towards the logic of the Demiurge: "it is only through the fall that what the fall has fallen from emerges" only proves Zizeks apology for the Demiurge, Hegel aswell, who is the true philosopher of immanence because he, perhaps despite himself, elucidates the structure by which time engineers civilization as a collective thought-loop, and blinds us to the archons hungering at the periphery. the most diabolical philosophy establishes us in a center while abolishing all knowledge of the circumference: when thought has mastered obfuscating its own immanence to itself, or rather, in Hegel's case, has mastered absorbing all lines of transcendent flight into its /own/ flight plan, Yaldabaoth licks his lips.
There is no demiurge without transcendence. It makes no sense to impose a contradicting system onto a philosopher and claim their rationalizations are just some bizarre unconscious emergent logic of that system. You are just begging the question.
If you want to get Zizek's 'I WOULD PREFER NOT TO' t-shirt you can do so here:
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2:09 "You need something to disturb perfection, so that retroactively the mirage of perfection emerges" very insightful comment here, and I think he explains it very well with his metaphor lol
Isnt this a paradox? If he assumes that you need to disrupt perfection, then that implies that perfection actually does exist and isnt just a mere mirage, as he put it.
It is only through the fall (of truth), that 'that through which the fall becomes', emerges
Reflection on the things that are through necessity, and the subsequent realisation that our limited human capacity cannot represent the world in itself perfectly, brings us back to the question on what the things *really* are
2:00 the obstacle that retroactively creates the perfection, the utopia, the absolute idea, the beginning of everything etc.
And so on.
Every time I listen to him I cant hold myself from blurting out laughing. Anything he says is just hilarious
And so on, and so on..... :)
I hope you have as many thumbs down as you deserve here, though we can't see them anymore thanks to TH-cam :3
You can either separate yourself from chaos in order to be free, but you can also embrace the chaos in order to be free. I think chaos can never be eliminated as it is an inseparable part of reality, a balance. As Zizek says that without imperfection there is no perfection. Thus you must embrace the balance in order to be free, as once you realise that it is not possible to exist in a reality without chaos and that chaos is part of reality itself then you no longer have the need to eliminate it.
Okay but Zizek literally says that he celebrates _imbalance._ What we think of as "balance" in his tradition of Hegel and Lacan is the closest conceivable thing to Pure Ideology.
If you really think about it critically, what does it _actually_ mean to accept chaos as an integral part of reality to where we are no longer compelled to eliminate it?
Isn't that conception of our engagement with the world the very embodiment of cynicism? _We can't change this chaotic world we live in, so why bother?_
yees, "truth is the fall" ^^
I think what truth is referring zizek here is so different to the truth being referred to by buddhists or other transcendental “philosophies“. Cant really approach they're depth through pure rationality. One must delve deep, as he said not from outside, but “falling“ into the practice, to meet that wich is presented by the philosophy. I wonder if zizek has ever got into these eastern mystical practices. And also, the whole plot of jesus coming as god on earth is to point out and show the path to god. That wich is hidden has to be found just elsewhere. And yes, division may be the truth also, but we know division... What about unity?
Interestingly, the ontology that Zizek outlines in 'The Parallax View' (his self-proclaimed magnum opus) is adapted from the Japanese philosopher Kojin Karatani, who was in turn inspired by the Kyoto School of philosophy, an early 20th century Japanese philosophical movement that combined Zen Buddhism and German idealism
@@spindrift4504 im not talking about philosophy when I mention the east. I mean practice. Direct experience through a non rational process. Its like someone talking about the DMT experience without having tried it for real. Its not something you access through reason. But I guess some philosophers and scientists just dont enter these realms.
I love zizek btw.
yea he thinks to small minded, influenced by audience charm
i am living what he is talking about. i am not alone. what will emerge i wonder? who will we become?
When atheists are ‘descender kabbalists’...As opposed to ‘ascender christians’...as an exp.
basically he shares a near total Judaic view of the material universe.
It's a little surprising how much overlap there is between Hegel and Maimonides.
on the materialism yeah it resembles , but there's a reason why he says christian and not jewish atheist. Christianity is much more radically materialist
Please include your source
" I cannot go into this now ..."
even more famous than the
"so on and so on and so on ~"
Any religion is an instrument of power to control the people .
That's what I'm sayin !
PURE IDEOLOGY and so on and so on ~ but I cannot go into this now 🤷♂️°•.
And of course we should be under control. But what happens if religion actually has somw truth in it and is a good path to be in. Dont forget that every human society prior to our modern world (and rome) where in some way or another deeply religious and spiritual. It is a natural thing to exists for humanity. It is a necessary thing. I dont get why people dismiss religion instead of embracing it and making it a good thing for our times.
@@diegoperezsommariva2509 "dismissing religion" ?
Let me tell you why :
I doubt the sum total of it's so called benefits can be seen as higher than the destructive effects caused by the wars and bloodshed killing raping done in the name of religion .
Religion talks about being a servant to the higher goal or even to submit oneself to an unidentifiable entity.
Its all about serving and by that there is ABSOLUTELY no spirituality in religion !
We are nothing but perfumed apes loving a helluva fight 💥🤼♀️💥
Religious teaching is only pointing towards this , but has no effective cure or help to offer.
We cannot escape our natural programming .
Millennia of that self-improvement business have utterly failed.
I go one step further and maintain :
the misery we find ourselves in , is mainly caused by the attempt to become a better version of oneself.
Individually and collectively .
Under the egis of religion we have destroyed the biosphere.
Religion has FAILED -
That's the obvious summary of what everyone can see .
That's why ! .•°
@@farrider3339 Men, you are blaming religion for something that we humas do in any context. You say religion became the reason of war. But it is that we made it a reason for war. Wars and violence has been happening forever and for many reasons. We just love it, and its a shame. But if you take religion out of the questions wars wont end, injustice wont end. Also if you claim that the reaons for the misery is trying to become a better person I dont know what to say man xD that is just a hilarilus claim. And yes, religion has spiritual ends, because it mainly promotes internal values, like self control and purity of self. Of course that can turn uglier and less effective, but it is our job to interprert them better, like with everything in human life. I dont think its dismissall is the answer. And on the topic of faith and service being a problem I have to wonder if it would lead to a proper conversation with you, probably not. Anyway, I hope that if you answer you actually provide some sort of ground to tour claims and fair arguments.
@@diegoperezsommariva2509 no spiritual end anywhere .
Religion is always concerned about something material.
Long Life
Good Health
Peace and understanding
and so on and so on ~
Precisely no so called spirituality anywhere in religious field.
Fairytales without substance or evidence.
You first part - I can agree .
Man loves a helluva 🔥 🤼♂️ 💥 and he will everlastingly continue with this.
But the rest is psychobabble .
Self ?
Where is it , except as a figment of your imagination ?
Control the Self ?
Why - to become a better version of yourself .
Internal values ?
Pure urine or what ?
You have been utterly mislead by the societal brianwash and find yourself unable to question the rumors and pristine teachings !
And now live with it and good luck .•°
@@farrider3339 I guess we just dont agree men. No need to be offensive about it.
Nichiren Buddhism is not about withdrawing my friend, it’s actually about never withdrawing
most European philosophers do still hold roughly the same old sense of Buddhism Schopenhauer and Nietzsche held - and clearly many never even got to 20th century interpretations of Buddhism in East Asia.
@@lucifervonwilhelm5937 Scherbatski was most interesting to me, he gave many new interpretations of Buddhism
He is referring to the predominant Buddhist doctrines. Using Nichiren Buddhism as a reference is like using Mormonism while referring to Christianity.
Not to sound too extreme but he should have a glimpse on Julius Evola...
Zen Buddhism seems like Asian nihilism, but it's unfair to say it's a justification for war crimes. Any religion can be used for evil ends.
Boodhism not religion is ☝️1
Lotta abstractions they use 2
Coming from a different societal setting 3
Boodhism is Hinduism stripped for export
ZeN has the ability to make you desperate , because as they freely admit :
*There is nothing there to get*
>>Looking at the bamboo in the garden :
What a long one that is
What a short one this is ~
and the monk got enlightened 💡
@Goodie2shoes "Even though the Buddha forbade the taking of life, he also taught that until all sentient beings are united together through the exercise of infinite compassion, there will never be peace. Therefore, as a means of bringing into harmony those things which are incompatible, killing and war are necessary." - Shaku Soen (Suzuki's Zen master) in response to Leo Tolstoi's appeal for peace during the russo-japanese war.
He didn't have time to go into it but that's exactly his point - although he refers to it as ideology, not religion, usually
@@youtastelikered i would go one step further and say :
One form of life lives on another form of life !
By that , the mutual killing is representing the harmonious ,.peaceful functioning of the entire universe.
So we're meeting an insoluble riddle when we look at the idea of peace as is it thought and talked about (all sentient beings should be this that and the other , bliss , beatitude , harmony
Actually anything can be used for as a justification for war crimes. I think it is more a human thing than anything else.
The fall itself functions as objet a?!
Hauntology
Why are they laughing?.. He’s talking about deep things. In this way it looks like Zarathustra is being ridiculed in front of the crowd.
Because he clearly makes a joke and tells them all to go fuck themselves
They're laughing because Zizek is a gibberating clown😂
i could not understand his accent. could anyone please write it what he says. or share a link which is about this?
Chesterton was wrong
3-4lbs? Toes too big? Nails uncut? Big knees? Wtf?
Please the subtitels ??
It's a shame......
Who POSTED this???
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Reality ith a math chaoth and tho on and tho on and tho on
2nd!!! Haha as if it matters
If this dude fixed his nose problem I could watch all his videos. He has a pretty good philosophy, but the consistent nose-thing kills me 🤣🤣🤣🤣
If you watched him enough and stopped paying attention to these things you will get used to it and focus on the content instead ;)
It used to bother me, too. I wouldn’t watch him for a long time because of it. But somewhere along the line I gave him another chance, and at some point I just stopped being distracted by it.
to celebrate the Fall and 'muh buddhism justifies war crimes' are all quite subtle and manipulative attempts to seduce one towards the logic of the Demiurge: "it is only through the fall that what the fall has fallen from emerges" only proves Zizeks apology for the Demiurge, Hegel aswell, who is the true philosopher of immanence because he, perhaps despite himself, elucidates the structure by which time engineers civilization as a collective thought-loop, and blinds us to the archons hungering at the periphery. the most diabolical philosophy establishes us in a center while abolishing all knowledge of the circumference: when thought has mastered obfuscating its own immanence to itself, or rather, in Hegel's case, has mastered absorbing all lines of transcendent flight into its /own/ flight plan, Yaldabaoth licks his lips.
And in layman’s terms? He’s just excusing evil?
There is no demiurge without transcendence. It makes no sense to impose a contradicting system onto a philosopher and claim their rationalizations are just some bizarre unconscious emergent logic of that system. You are just begging the question.
Get a subtitle Ffs