I think it is a shame and I have to disagree with just about everything this guy has said about it; there was nothing wrong with the smaller repository since this had more than enough for beginners and casual users, nobody had to "build" packages themselves since all you had to do was have a quick look in the forum on how to install a deb package in most cases, so it was not inevitable that this distro was doomed for a start...
Fedora, OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, and PCLinuxOS are the most suitable replacements for Solus. Fedora 38 is getting a Budgie spin, so Solus Budgie users should feel right at home.
@@_xolari To me it's overrated. Multiple updates per day (something I've never encountered on 7 years of using Arch), then the updates just started breaking, like I couldn't update at all. To me Tumbleweed is a solid 2/10. Fedora, on the other hand.... oh man. I've been skeptical of installing Fedora ever since I installed my first distro in 2006. But now, in 2023, I finally did. And it's the best experience I've ever had with any operating system (perhaps only OpenBSD was better).
@@toquita3d I'm the exact opposite, I've had TW for years in a VM to mess with.. but I can't get Fedora to live past a couple updates. I'll never go back to a point/regular release distro again, they've outlived their usefulness IMO.
@@toquita3d Tumbleweed only breaks if you use the packman repo for media codecs and you force an update that can’t be applied. To prevent this just WAIT with the update until packman rebuilds its packages with the new version (which can take a couple of hours to 2 days in the worst cases). This is absolutely no big deal at all, and you still get your new packages faster than 99.9% of the other distributions.
Tumbleweed or MicroOS are freaking amazing. Also the Installer is one of the best. Only thing I would change is providing a minimal install for Tumbleweed as an seperat iso.
Also to mention, previous lead developer of Solus, Joshua Strobl, left & now is maintaining is BuddiesOfBudgie with intention of maintaining Fedora Budgie.
This quickly aged like milk. So much can happen in just a few days in tech. The original devs have come back to save the sinking ship and now it's going to be a sister distro alongside Serpent OS.
They’re bringing Solus back and trying to figure out where its headed and they may rebase it on the Serpent OS platform but in the meantime a lot of maintenance work remains to be done.
The current leader of the Budgie project is also the leader behind the upcoming Fedora Budgie Spin. So while I wouldn't say there's an official Flagship Budgie OS (they even point out there is not), that's as close to flagship as you're going to get.
A tweet yesterday, by the Solus profile: "Hey folks, Josh here. Long time no see. We got a new post up on Reddit and will have a blog post forthcoming on Tuesday, with organizational structure changes, plans for Solus 4.x, Solus 5, and more."
It was in my top 5 rotation when I was distro hopping 5 to 10 years ago. Still have it on a flash drive to test hardware. It had one of the fastest boot up times. I hate to see all that hard work go to waste, but it does take time, money, and man power. I understand. I'll keep using fedora for now.
It only stopped pushing updates a few months ago and my present install still works perfectly fine; I have Mint Mate dual booted just in case it does become untenable but until then...
Extremely difficult for a truly independent distro to keep up...one option would be to base solus on debian or ubuntu perhaps...an arch derivative perhaps.
I was using (KDE version) it a week ago. It is fairly up to date and it got a very new kernel. My pc failed so I am now using my phone until I can fix my pc.
I am a Linux enthusiast for a couple of years, and i've used many distros, on my machine where i do my work. I used Solus OS for a entire year and it was a very good experience, but i was obligated to drop it when i couldn't fix a simple problem of implementing a Dual Monitor Setup. Like i said, i am a enthusiastic user, not an advanced one, so, for that fact, i've made some distro hopping until i went back to Manjaro with Gnome that is my favorite. Tested the setup with Ubuntu and Ubuntu Budgie and had no problem, but the dynamics of these distros didn't please me. Tried also Manjaro Budgie but it was a little buggy back then so i've stayed on Gnome. Satisfied for more than 2 years. Solus OS was great, but as said by DT, it lacks muscle to solve all the distros problems.
This is one of the many reasons I just stick with Debian. It's the Lindy effect. It's one of the oldest distros and I have every confidence it's still going to be around in 10 years.
Same for Arch or even Gentoo. They aren't going anywhere because true Linux chads who like customization will keep them alive. Similar story for Debian, as it is the base for many other distros and servers. Though Manjaro & Ubuntu are still question marks. I mean, even CentOS, thought to be a old reliable distro, was famously killed!
@@cameronbosch1213 Can you define this word "chad" for me, please? Because I've stuck with Gentoo for 20 years now, purely because its design appeals to my "engineer's brain" and lets me build what I want the way I want - yes, there's probably a bit of "control freak" in me too. But I am also happily married, don't own a Steam Deck, think NVIDIA hardware is crap and haven't bought a AAA game in 10 years. Oh, I think anime is for weirdos too - so not sure where I fit in with this "pigeon holing" of Gentoo users that you see to be attempting here.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 That was more of a generalization; I just didn't want to say _any random person switching to Linux_ would want to use it, if you do, then hats off to you, but I agree, Gentoo is awesome, and it would be my choice if Arch died (which is very unlikely).
@@terrydaktyllus1320 Exactly. I use Gentoo too and I'm quite the opposite of that image that people have in their mind regarding the people using Gentoo. I just like the flexibility and controlling stuff, Gentoo does what i want it to do, it's very stable and maintenance is easy.
@@cameronbosch1213 If Arch or any other Linux distro works for you or anyone else then, equally, hats off to them also. But I never seem to be able to get a definition of what a "chad" actually is.
Don't quite grasp what you mean with "testing branch"... but, the cool thing with Gentoo is that you can yourself pick which packages you want to be bleeding edge and not. For example, I use stable keyword as default, but have unstable/testing keyword set for kernel source package and for various services and software I care specifically about, to make sure those are "bleeding edge".
@@kowoba Yes, that is what I meant, DT suggested in the video that Gentoo is a bleeding-edge distro, while Gentoo offers both "stable" (which is very much not bleeding edge) and "testing" so that was wrong. You can also go even more bleeding edge and opt for the latest version upstream, which would be the equivalent of something like mesa-git from the AUR for the mesa package. My point is that Gentoo is not a bleeding edge distro if the user doesn't want it to be. DT made it look like it is one and grouped it with Arch which is bleeding-edge even if the user doesn't want it to be.
Speacking of old projects, you reviewed the Gnome Material Shell a few years back, is it still beeing developed? and has it improved at all? or did it die like so many gnome related things.
Their Twitter feed up to Feb 27 reads like a car crash. The dev's posts came to a screeching halt on Feb 27 and it looks like Beatrice has thrown in the towel and left the scene. Too bad..
@@asystole_ The maintainers are held hostage by the server outage which can only accessed by Beatrice, their technical lead. They can still do their work locally, but it's not been possible for them to update the repositories.
@@zmaint I was looking at the project Twitter and she was sick from what I understand with Covid and another illness in February, it’s possible she could’ve unfortunately died. You guys ever think of that instead of complaining.
It's odd that no one working on the project announced that it was being discontinued. Antergos, for example, bit the dust, but it was announced several months ahead of time. Most Antergos users migrated to EndeavourOS, a successor Arch-based distro.
This does not surprise me, it's history repeating itself, its not the first time the lead walked away, remember when Ikey dropped Solus (Shannon) like a hot rock way back when it was based on Debian? Gotta admit I'm a bit concerned about his involvement with Thunderbird, and the inevitability of his getting bored with that too. I've not even looked at Serpent OS and nor will I
I daily drove Solus 4.3 for a while probably I believe around the time 4.3 was new. I had a fantastic experience with it. I guess I just still had hopping to do, but Solus was great. Budgie looked nice and modern, the package manager was fast and powerful and they also had a nice GUI to easily get common software "normal users" would want.
Ever since the rift and departure of Ikey, I've always felt it probably wasn't going to last, no disrespect to John Strobl. The good thing, as others have commented, is at least the Budgie Desktop is being continued, so there's that.
After the like, year of silence following Ikey's departure, I really lost all faith in the leadership of the distro and jumped ship to MX Linux, and later Endeavour. It's sad to see that Solus has died, it had a lot of ambition and promise, but at least Budgie lives on.
Ikey Doherty is an untrustworthy person, so you would be wise not to put your hopes in any project he's in. Doherty abandoned the Solus and disappeared for months, leaving the Solus team scrambling to get access to the accounts needed to make things work. Doherty created a game studio called Lispy Snake and raised money, but instead of using an existing game engine, he decided to use an engine that he would build from scratch, which he claimed would be revolutionary. Of course, nothing came of it and the donors never got their money back.
I wouldn't put much trust in Budgie since the guy that took over Solus when Ikey left is now in charge of that project. If anything, I'd expect that project to also die within two to three years.
I haven't used solus in a year or more but I am set up for a yearly contributor (every January) auto enrollment.... what should I do when it dies, officially? Also whats a good version of it? I'm not too good with Fedora :(
According to all this, it looks like I will have to find a new OS to use. Solus was my first distro and I loved it. I’ll have to get a flash drive and move all my stuff over. I used this distro for the majority of my college days.
As somone who used solus for 5 years, the currenct lack of leadership and communication are very frustrating. The devs are well aware of that and decide not to engage with the community or actually... do anything. And silence speaks volumes. Unfortunately, Solus is slowly faindg awqay and dying.
to be fair I feel that despite the other three DEs they offer .... the heart of Solus alwys was Budgie and that development. With the former (2 years ago) project Lead at Solus now sort of being (not even sure he wants to be called "the lead" there) the lead at Buddies of Budgie, continuing to work on the old flagship DE for Solus and making sure Budgie is more in sync so to speak on "any main distro base" ... I feel Buddies of Budge is the sort of spirit of Solus over at that project. I wish Solus and the team still left there the best of luck, but i would feel better if it was really dead ... that they'd just come out and SAY IT
This was my first distro 2018 when I switched from Windows without dual boot, jump in cold water and it was so worth it. Now I use my Steamdeck as main machine but it's sad to see Solus in this state.
Sad to see an independent distro go. It's the only type of Linux distributions that I can use, and Solus looked like one that is appealing to new users. Though I have never tried it, I really wish that I did before it fell off this badly.
@@sprinklednightsVoid linux might be the best alternative to solus. Independent and stable rolling release like solus but with a huge repository and is well maintained.
I don't know why you would say it seems currently maintained. Half of the links at the top are dead ("Get Involved", "Help", "Forums") and the last blog post is from July 2021.
I have Solus installed on 2 computers, really liked the way the OS works. But unfortunately I tend agree with you. I'm considering trying out Suse Tumbleweed. The original founder is of Solus is trying create another OS. I have read.
Tumbleweed is amazing! I have been using Linux for 10+ years and no other distro impressed me this much (switched to it ~1 year ago from Fedora). There's some strangeness to it but nothing that can't be solved within 10 minutes. MicroOS (Gnome) is also worlds better than Silverblue, if you're into immutable systems and it's not even v1.0
sad to see. I gave them a lot of money through patreon. but we'll take the good lessons learned from the project (like budgie) and do something even better in the future!
Solus had a good 9 year run. I remember when 1.0 was introduced in Dec. of 2015 after about 9-12 months of alpha builds through the previous year. The bad part of this is that the lead developer just GHOSTED the project. No heads-up, no announcements, just no-contact for the last year or so. He has been spotted in the wild, working with a new project. He has yet to give any explanation, any reason, or even a "screw you guys" to the Solus project or their followers. He has a new project and will not answer any emails or messages regarding Solus. Who knows what happened---- maybe it was developer burn-out, maybe it was something else, we probably will never know. The one thing for now that is clear is that the lead developer does NOT want to talk about it, nor does he want to hand the project over to someone who might carry the torch. This being Linux, if you do believe in the project, and want it to continue--- then you should fork the project and continue the work. Otherwise, it will die in history, like so many other forgotten Distros.
it's such a shame to see this distro dying slowly. recently i read an article where the current development team wanted to shake things up a little. better flatpack integration and so on, which would solve the small repos and software availability problem this distro has. this distro had one of the fastest boot up times i've ever seen
Well, at least the Elementary os team talked about the difficulties and struggles they have maintaining the distro but they were open to their users. When a project stop doing that, it seems dead
My Linux journey started in 2008 with Linux Mint Xfce In November 2016 I discovered and moved to Solus Budgie Despite my love for Solus the project is in a major rut with no updates in sight. Therefore on Friday 2023-04-07 I moved my main system to PCLinuxOS KDE Plasma, another rolling release distro.
I used to distro-hop frequently, when I first started using Linux as my main desktop system back in 2007. Over time, I eventually settled on a few time tested and stable distributions. Debian and some of its notable downstream distros are my main go-to's these days (Ubuntu, Mint, PopOS). For variety I play around with the ARM version of EndeavourOS, a new branch of the four year old EndeavourOS project, on a Raspberry Pi.
I never tried Solus - when I was a kid, I just stuck with Ubuntu derivatives. Then I went back to Windows for a while during the time I should have probably tried Solus. Now, it's too late 🙁
Solus is my favourite desktop. The small repos weren't a problem because I'd rather use flatpak anyway. I had a look at Void today and I don't think it's an easy switch for Solus users who were attracted by a no-fuss easily-installable desktop-only distro. Void's stock Xfce looks sad and dated and the installer is not friendly for average desktop users. I'll probably go back to Debian.
I was an early contributor to the Solus project and helped to package and maintain software in the repository. Sad to see it go down like this, but I saw the writing on the wall when Ikey left - he was the only developer on the team with the skills necessary to meaningfully maintain and update the OS - he left in the midst of a new rewrite of Budgie to work for Intel. Needless to say, the remaining team were mostly just maintaining the existing toolset and desktop environment and the rewrite that would have significantly improved the OS and detached it from Gnome entirely was left dead in the water. Ikey did not leave because he did not believe in the project; he left because he had a better paying job opportunity with Intel and he needed to support his family. The donations and Patreon support just wasn't sufficient. Additionally, if I remember correctly, Ikey no longer works for Intel and has a new OS project, but this information is at least a year out of date at this point and I haven't checked in on the status of Ikey or his endeavors in some time.
I do disgree at least with what it use to be with "There are tons of things not in Solus" and its a super small repo ... I am not saying its huge ...... but I think this is overblowing things
I actually daily drove Solus for about 6 months. I also gave $10 a month to there patreon for over a year but they actually canceled my monthly contribution themselves. I really wanted this to succeed but it just did not come together. I use Codeblocks for C++ and it crashed frequently on Solus. I don't think it was a problem with Budgie because I also used it on Ubuntu Budgie and it worked just fine. And I also was not a huge fan of there app center. I guess another one bites the dust.
Solus is dead? Not yet... I used Solus before (appr. Jan 2022) for one year before alter to EndeavourOS when no more updates and its website was down. Solus is great and well built OS, but lack of clarity (and communication). But, I'm glad when I hear that former developer (Ikey and Josh) bring back to Solus development again. Hope they will finish what they started well. Solus still has potential to become one of polished independent Linux distribution.
@@timelordindistress A rolling stone.yml gathers no moss? Anyway, I am happy and at the same time not sure about this. I used Solus for quite a while as my main driver... here's to hoping for the best?
Ikey's a smart dude. He didn't have any special forebearance though, just a habit of being a notorious flake. I'd love to see a project based on his ideas but under no circumstances would I trust one where he occupies any position more important than mascot.
Hi DT, the budgie Desktop is better on ubuntu because has extension manager / store, Another thing, please make a video about Ubuntu making / integrating officially a flavor with Cinnamon desktop. Is this new flavor a way to attack / fight the linux mint distro? Thanks.
from what I heard, the creator of it up and left the team out of the blue and they have been trying to salvage the project. The repo's are currently hosted at someones University but they are basically down and they are trying to get them switched over to something else. I also heard that the creator of Solus showed up and apologized for outright leaving the project in a bad state but now he wants to create a new DE called SerpentOS lol
@sweetbabyalaska Why, oh Why? Creating an entire distro as a mere showcase for a new desktop?😮 I guess that's all the Solus distro was created for as well? Makes sense that they chose to have a skeleton repo instead of using apt or pacman. Soul-less...
Wouldn't Flatpak solved the issue if small repositories? If you had a small group managing the basic distro, Flatpak wouldmtskem are of the rest. I like the Budgie desktop and look forward to it's continuous existence on other distros.
Flatpak wouldn't solve their issues because Flatpaks only work for you desktop apps. Command line tools don't work well as Flatpaks and the base system packages (like the kernel) can't be a Flatpak, of course. AppImages would solve the command line tools problem....but still you can't package the kernel as an AppImage.
This is still a shame. To see a team build a brand new independent distro then to see it slowly die like this is still heartbreaking to see...
I couldn't agree more. Solus was one of the finest, I wish they used apt.
"heartbreaking" is an over-dramatic exaggeration.
@@folksurvival You get the point. While _I_ might not have used Solus before its demise, some people might feel that way...
I think it is a shame and I have to disagree with just about everything this guy has said about it; there was nothing wrong with the smaller repository since this had more than enough for beginners and casual users, nobody had to "build" packages themselves since all you had to do was have a quick look in the forum on how to install a deb package in most cases, so it was not inevitable that this distro was doomed for a start...
I tried this out about 6 months ago... Nice OS, but no updates on the website in a while. Linux has too many distros as it is.
Fedora, OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, and PCLinuxOS are the most suitable replacements for Solus. Fedora 38 is getting a Budgie spin, so Solus Budgie users should feel right at home.
Tumbleweed is so underrated
@@_xolari To me it's overrated. Multiple updates per day (something I've never encountered on 7 years of using Arch), then the updates just started breaking, like I couldn't update at all.
To me Tumbleweed is a solid 2/10.
Fedora, on the other hand.... oh man. I've been skeptical of installing Fedora ever since I installed my first distro in 2006. But now, in 2023, I finally did. And it's the best experience I've ever had with any operating system (perhaps only OpenBSD was better).
@@toquita3d I'm the exact opposite, I've had TW for years in a VM to mess with.. but I can't get Fedora to live past a couple updates. I'll never go back to a point/regular release distro again, they've outlived their usefulness IMO.
@@toquita3d Tumbleweed only breaks if you use the packman repo for media codecs and you force an update that can’t be applied. To prevent this just WAIT with the update until packman rebuilds its packages with the new version (which can take a couple of hours to 2 days in the worst cases).
This is absolutely no big deal at all, and you still get your new packages faster than 99.9% of the other distributions.
Tumbleweed or MicroOS are freaking amazing.
Also the Installer is one of the best.
Only thing I would change is providing a minimal install for Tumbleweed as an seperat iso.
Also to mention, previous lead developer of Solus, Joshua Strobl, left & now is maintaining is BuddiesOfBudgie with intention of maintaining Fedora Budgie.
I wouldn't trust him.
@@johnq4951 Why?
@@johnq4951 Strobl was left holding the cut purse strings when Ikey left. At least that is what it seems to me.
Good news about Budgie, though it's a shame that Solus seems to be dying!
This quickly aged like milk. So much can happen in just a few days in tech. The original devs have come back to save the sinking ship and now it's going to be a sister distro alongside Serpent OS.
Interestingly enough, TH-cam sometimes writes solus as soulless in close captions!
They’re bringing Solus back and trying to figure out where its headed and they may rebase it on the Serpent OS platform but in the meantime a lot of maintenance work remains to be done.
solus is not dead ! website forums and dev tracker are back up today! also Josh and Ikey are back on the Solus team !
The current leader of the Budgie project is also the leader behind the upcoming Fedora Budgie Spin. So while I wouldn't say there's an official Flagship Budgie OS (they even point out there is not), that's as close to flagship as you're going to get.
A tweet yesterday, by the Solus profile:
"Hey folks, Josh here. Long time no see.
We got a new post up on Reddit and will have a blog post forthcoming on Tuesday, with organizational structure changes, plans for Solus 4.x, Solus 5, and more."
It was in my top 5 rotation when I was distro hopping 5 to 10 years ago. Still have it on a flash drive to test hardware. It had one of the fastest boot up times. I hate to see all that hard work go to waste, but it does take time, money, and man power. I understand. I'll keep using fedora for now.
It only stopped pushing updates a few months ago and my present install still works perfectly fine; I have Mint Mate dual booted just in case it does become untenable but until then...
Extremely difficult for a truly independent distro to keep up...one option would be to base solus on debian or ubuntu perhaps...an arch derivative perhaps.
I use to use a similarly fast and stable Arch derivative called Salient XFCE but that went belly up in 2020...
It is 'Active' of 13th July 2023
Very sad, Solus was a great Budgie distro and has a very friendly community in their forum.
I was using (KDE version) it a week ago. It is fairly up to date and it got a very new kernel. My pc failed so I am now using my phone until I can fix my pc.
Such a shame to see, never used it personally but I remember solus shaking things up when it was released. Glad to see Budgie desktop continuing.
I am a Linux enthusiast for a couple of years, and i've used many distros, on my machine where i do my work. I used Solus OS for a entire year and it was a very good experience, but i was obligated to drop it when i couldn't fix a simple problem of implementing a Dual Monitor Setup. Like i said, i am a enthusiastic user, not an advanced one, so, for that fact, i've made some distro hopping until i went back to Manjaro with Gnome that is my favorite. Tested the setup with Ubuntu and Ubuntu Budgie and had no problem, but the dynamics of these distros didn't please me. Tried also Manjaro Budgie but it was a little buggy back then so i've stayed on Gnome. Satisfied for more than 2 years. Solus OS was great, but as said by DT, it lacks muscle to solve all the distros problems.
This is one of the many reasons I just stick with Debian. It's the Lindy effect. It's one of the oldest distros and I have every confidence it's still going to be around in 10 years.
Same for Arch or even Gentoo. They aren't going anywhere because true Linux chads who like customization will keep them alive. Similar story for Debian, as it is the base for many other distros and servers.
Though Manjaro & Ubuntu are still question marks. I mean, even CentOS, thought to be a old reliable distro, was famously killed!
@@cameronbosch1213 Can you define this word "chad" for me, please? Because I've stuck with Gentoo for 20 years now, purely because its design appeals to my "engineer's brain" and lets me build what I want the way I want - yes, there's probably a bit of "control freak" in me too.
But I am also happily married, don't own a Steam Deck, think NVIDIA hardware is crap and haven't bought a AAA game in 10 years.
Oh, I think anime is for weirdos too - so not sure where I fit in with this "pigeon holing" of Gentoo users that you see to be attempting here.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 That was more of a generalization; I just didn't want to say _any random person switching to Linux_ would want to use it, if you do, then hats off to you, but I agree, Gentoo is awesome, and it would be my choice if Arch died (which is very unlikely).
@@terrydaktyllus1320 Exactly. I use Gentoo too and I'm quite the opposite of that image that people have in their mind regarding the people using Gentoo.
I just like the flexibility and controlling stuff, Gentoo does what i want it to do, it's very stable and maintenance is easy.
@@cameronbosch1213 If Arch or any other Linux distro works for you or anyone else then, equally, hats off to them also.
But I never seem to be able to get a definition of what a "chad" actually is.
I liked Solus the times I tested it out but I never used it full-time because I didn't expect it to survive long term.
oof, well this video didn't age well....and it didn't even take a week!
Its likely because of this video that Josh had to step in.
@@sickpup820 Video had nothing to do with it. There have been ongoing discussions with the active Solus team members for several weeks now.
Gentoo is very much not a bleeding-edge distro if you don't use the testing branch. It is a "slow roll" as much as Solus was tbh.
Don't quite grasp what you mean with "testing branch"... but, the cool thing with Gentoo is that you can yourself pick which packages you want to be bleeding edge and not. For example, I use stable keyword as default, but have unstable/testing keyword set for kernel source package and for various services and software I care specifically about, to make sure those are "bleeding edge".
@@kowoba Yes, that is what I meant, DT suggested in the video that Gentoo is a bleeding-edge distro, while Gentoo offers both "stable" (which is very much not bleeding edge) and "testing" so that was wrong. You can also go even more bleeding edge and opt for the latest version upstream, which would be the equivalent of something like mesa-git from the AUR for the mesa package.
My point is that Gentoo is not a bleeding edge distro if the user doesn't want it to be. DT made it look like it is one and grouped it with Arch which is bleeding-edge even if the user doesn't want it to be.
solus came to life again.
Switched to openSUSE Tumbleweed and I’m loving it!
Ikey Doherty is working on a new distro called SerpentOS. I think he has good ideas but what are the chances he just wont abandon that as well?
Speacking of old projects, you reviewed the Gnome Material Shell a few years back, is it still beeing developed? and has it improved at all? or did it die like so many gnome related things.
Their Twitter feed up to Feb 27 reads like a car crash. The dev's posts came to a screeching halt on Feb 27 and it looks like Beatrice has thrown in the towel and left the scene. Too bad..
The distro is great, the maintainers are great, sadly we need a mutiny because the "leader" is AWOL.
How are the maintainers "great" if they've stopped maintaining the distro?
@@asystole_ The maintainers are held hostage by the server outage which can only accessed by Beatrice, their technical lead. They can still do their work locally, but it's not been possible for them to update the repositories.
@@KilgallensRandomStuff Exactly, and B is Awol.
@@zmaint I was looking at the project Twitter and she was sick from what I understand with Covid and another illness in February, it’s possible she could’ve unfortunately died. You guys ever think of that instead of complaining.
@@smeake Not according to the maintainers.
And then 4.4 released....
It's odd that no one working on the project announced that it was being discontinued. Antergos, for example, bit the dust, but it was announced several months ahead of time. Most Antergos users migrated to EndeavourOS, a successor Arch-based distro.
This does not surprise me, it's history repeating itself, its not the first time the lead walked away, remember when Ikey dropped Solus (Shannon) like a hot rock way back when it was based on Debian?
Gotta admit I'm a bit concerned about his involvement with Thunderbird, and the inevitability of his getting bored with that too.
I've not even looked at Serpent OS and nor will I
I daily drove Solus 4.3 for a while probably I believe around the time 4.3 was new. I had a fantastic experience with it. I guess I just still had hopping to do, but Solus was great. Budgie looked nice and modern, the package manager was fast and powerful and they also had a nice GUI to easily get common software "normal users" would want.
Ever since the rift and departure of Ikey, I've always felt it probably wasn't going to last, no disrespect to John Strobl.
The good thing, as others have commented, is at least the Budgie Desktop is being continued, so there's that.
After the like, year of silence following Ikey's departure, I really lost all faith in the leadership of the distro and jumped ship to MX Linux, and later Endeavour. It's sad to see that Solus has died, it had a lot of ambition and promise, but at least Budgie lives on.
Ikey Doherty is an untrustworthy person, so you would be wise not to put your hopes in any project he's in.
Doherty abandoned the Solus and disappeared for months, leaving the Solus team scrambling to get access to the accounts needed to make things work.
Doherty created a game studio called Lispy Snake and raised money, but instead of using an existing game engine, he decided to use an engine that he would build from scratch, which he claimed would be revolutionary. Of course, nothing came of it and the donors never got their money back.
Before he ghosted Solus, he took money from and ghosted Mint.
he created Serpent OS
I wouldn't put much trust in Budgie since the guy that took over Solus when Ikey left is now in charge of that project. If anything, I'd expect that project to also die within two to three years.
I haven't used solus in a year or more but I am set up for a yearly contributor (every January) auto enrollment.... what should I do when it dies, officially? Also whats a good version of it? I'm not too good with Fedora :(
According to all this, it looks like I will have to find a new OS to use. Solus was my first distro and I loved it. I’ll have to get a flash drive and move all my stuff over. I used this distro for the majority of my college days.
Solus and Deepin are what allowed me to move from delete my windows partition, which was barely being used anyway.
As somone who used solus for 5 years, the currenct lack of leadership and communication are very frustrating. The devs are well aware of that and decide not to engage with the community or actually... do anything. And silence speaks volumes. Unfortunately, Solus is slowly faindg awqay and dying.
to be fair I feel that despite the other three DEs they offer .... the heart of Solus alwys was Budgie and that development. With the former (2 years ago) project Lead at Solus now sort of being (not even sure he wants to be called "the lead" there) the lead at Buddies of Budgie, continuing to work on the old flagship DE for Solus and making sure Budgie is more in sync so to speak on "any main distro base" ... I feel Buddies of Budge is the sort of spirit of Solus over at that project. I wish Solus and the team still left there the best of luck, but i would feel better if it was really dead ... that they'd just come out and SAY IT
It's sad. Why? And now that Wimpy is moving away from Ubuntu, i hope Ubuntu MATE can still progress.
This was my first distro. I was very happy with it at the time and only left because of the distro hop itch. RIP
The creator literally rolled out of a rolling release. Classic!
This was my first distro 2018 when I switched from Windows without dual boot, jump in cold water and it was so worth it. Now I use my Steamdeck as main machine but it's sad to see Solus in this state.
Sad to see an independent distro go. It's the only type of Linux distributions that I can use, and Solus looked like one that is appealing to new users. Though I have never tried it, I really wish that I did before it fell off this badly.
why is it the only type?
@@Kyller3030 No, but I just prefer independent Linux distributions, and Solus being one is a huge plus in my opinion.
@@sprinklednightsVoid linux might be the best alternative to solus. Independent and stable rolling release like solus but with a huge repository and is well maintained.
Sad...I tried it for a month. Worked well, but like you said repository was so small.
The name always sounded like "Soul less" Linux
I'm not sure if it happens this. The Solus webpage seems currently maintained, but i don't know. I love their Budgie desktop.
I don't know why you would say it seems currently maintained. Half of the links at the top are dead ("Get Involved", "Help", "Forums") and the last blog post is from July 2021.
I used Solus for about 5 years, recently switched due to the out of date packages. Shame because I really liked using Solus, not just Budgie.
Maybe the Budgie programmers should make repos tailored to be installed on various distros, like Budgie-Mint etc.
I have Solus installed on 2 computers, really liked the way the OS works. But unfortunately I tend agree with you. I'm considering trying out Suse Tumbleweed. The original founder is of Solus is trying create another OS. I have read.
Tumbleweed is amazing! I have been using Linux for 10+ years and no other distro impressed me this much (switched to it ~1 year ago from Fedora). There's some strangeness to it but nothing that can't be solved within 10 minutes. MicroOS (Gnome) is also worlds better than Silverblue, if you're into immutable systems and it's not even v1.0
sad to see. I gave them a lot of money through patreon. but we'll take the good lessons learned from the project (like budgie) and do something even better in the future!
Solus had a good 9 year run. I remember when 1.0 was introduced in Dec. of 2015 after about 9-12 months of alpha builds through the previous year. The bad part of this is that the lead developer just GHOSTED the project. No heads-up, no announcements, just no-contact for the last year or so. He has been spotted in the wild, working with a new project. He has yet to give any explanation, any reason, or even a "screw you guys" to the Solus project or their followers. He has a new project and will not answer any emails or messages regarding Solus. Who knows what happened---- maybe it was developer burn-out, maybe it was something else, we probably will never know. The one thing for now that is clear is that the lead developer does NOT want to talk about it, nor does he want to hand the project over to someone who might carry the torch. This being Linux, if you do believe in the project, and want it to continue--- then you should fork the project and continue the work. Otherwise, it will die in history, like so many other forgotten Distros.
Polish Central Education Comission has its own Linux Distro if you do not know. It is based on CentOS, greetings.
it's such a shame to see this distro dying slowly. recently i read an article where the current development team wanted to shake things up a little. better flatpack integration and so on, which would solve the small repos and software availability problem this distro has.
this distro had one of the fastest boot up times i've ever seen
Well, at least the Elementary os team talked about the difficulties and struggles they have maintaining the distro but they were open to their users. When a project stop doing that, it seems dead
My Linux journey started in 2008 with Linux Mint Xfce
In November 2016 I discovered and moved to Solus Budgie
Despite my love for Solus the project is in a major rut with no updates in sight.
Therefore on Friday 2023-04-07 I moved my main system to PCLinuxOS KDE Plasma, another rolling release distro.
I used to distro-hop frequently, when I first started using Linux as my main desktop system back in 2007. Over time, I eventually settled on a few time tested and stable distributions. Debian and some of its notable downstream distros are my main go-to's these days (Ubuntu, Mint, PopOS). For variety I play around with the ARM version of EndeavourOS, a new branch of the four year old EndeavourOS project, on a Raspberry Pi.
I was extremely confused when I saw this video because that title would absolutely work for a Final Fantasy XIV lore analysis.
Lol, I played only through the base game so didn't knew about this npc but it's a nice coincidence indeed.
It's very sad but also natural that some things expire. Remember myspace!
It's extremely sad, i used to use solus just 1 year back it's was good relatively stable and beautiful ootb. F
I never tried Solus - when I was a kid, I just stuck with Ubuntu derivatives. Then I went back to Windows for a while during the time I should have probably tried Solus. Now, it's too late 🙁
>Not distro hopping on bare metal every week
It's sad, cause their logo was really cool.
Solus is my favourite desktop. The small repos weren't a problem because I'd rather use flatpak anyway. I had a look at Void today and I don't think it's an easy switch for Solus users who were attracted by a no-fuss easily-installable desktop-only distro. Void's stock Xfce looks sad and dated and the installer is not friendly for average desktop users. I'll probably go back to Debian.
Solus was some of my happiest days in Linux
I was an early contributor to the Solus project and helped to package and maintain software in the repository.
Sad to see it go down like this, but I saw the writing on the wall when Ikey left - he was the only developer on the team with the skills necessary to meaningfully maintain and update the OS - he left in the midst of a new rewrite of Budgie to work for Intel. Needless to say, the remaining team were mostly just maintaining the existing toolset and desktop environment and the rewrite that would have significantly improved the OS and detached it from Gnome entirely was left dead in the water.
Ikey did not leave because he did not believe in the project; he left because he had a better paying job opportunity with Intel and he needed to support his family. The donations and Patreon support just wasn't sufficient.
Additionally, if I remember correctly, Ikey no longer works for Intel and has a new OS project, but this information is at least a year out of date at this point and I haven't checked in on the status of Ikey or his endeavors in some time.
I key is still working on Serpent OS, but currently is actively working with the Solus team.
To quote a famous doctor "it's dead Jim"
And now ?
Solus seems to me very nice and fast.
I do disgree at least with what it use to be with "There are tons of things not in Solus" and its a super small repo ... I am not saying its huge ...... but I think this is overblowing things
Solus might be; Budgie isn't.
Wishing all the luck to BuddiesofBudgie.
It's Chakra Linux all over again!
I actually daily drove Solus for about 6 months. I also gave $10 a month to there patreon for over a year but they actually canceled my monthly contribution themselves. I really wanted this to succeed but it just did not come together. I use Codeblocks for C++ and it crashed frequently on Solus. I don't think it was a problem with Budgie because I also used it on Ubuntu Budgie and it worked just fine. And I also was not a huge fan of there app center. I guess another one bites the dust.
Solus is dead? Not yet...
I used Solus before (appr. Jan 2022) for one year before alter to EndeavourOS when no more updates and its website was down.
Solus is great and well built OS, but lack of clarity (and communication).
But, I'm glad when I hear that former developer (Ikey and Josh) bring back to Solus development again. Hope they will finish what they started well.
Solus still has potential to become one of polished independent Linux distribution.
Solus used to be one of my favourite distros but it has been dying for a while and i stopped using it over a year ago.
The only other distro that might be similar to Solus would be void linux.
HEY DT, could you please take a look at Venom Linux?
That's why I never take one-man-shop distros seriously.
I can relate peppermintos was labeled as dormant and came back ❤lol
I liked solus, it just felt right to use tbh. Much better than some other hacked together distros
One down, many more to go but one day, one glorious day, Gentoo Linux will be the last man standing.
Maybe someday it will sort of reappear as SerpentOS.
Funny you should say that check the Solus forum from today!!
@@timelordindistress A rolling stone.yml gathers no moss? Anyway, I am happy and at the same time not sure about this. I used Solus for quite a while as my main driver... here's to hoping for the best?
Ikey's a smart dude. He didn't have any special forebearance though, just a habit of being a notorious flake. I'd love to see a project based on his ideas but under no circumstances would I trust one where he occupies any position more important than mascot.
SerpentOS is his new project. I won't use it but I'll follow the development to look what they're doing.
Solus was my first distro which I game on . RIP
Budgie is the best thing to come out of Solus.
I want to get into Linux but i also love standardization.
Proprietary disguised as choice really annoys me and it is only implemented for profit.
A lot of people are switching to Void, interesting.
I tried it, that's fastest boot Linux distribution at that time
Another one bites the dust (probably a good thing), Linux needs some culling.
ikey creates something big hyped when he stop the project is step to death because internalm is pain :)
solus is now soul-less
well seems like solus is not as dead as it seems
I loved Solus a lot...
What is Solus???
linux distro
Literally the best distro I have ever used.
Hey DT, BSD or Arch for WM-Rice?
shroudingers solus
Hi DT, the budgie Desktop is better on ubuntu because has extension manager / store,
Another thing, please make a video about Ubuntu making / integrating officially a flavor with Cinnamon desktop. Is this new flavor a way to attack / fight the linux mint distro?
Thanks.
If you dont use manjaro xfce you are gonna be rolling doobies in a van down by the river. 🤸
from what I heard, the creator of it up and left the team out of the blue and they have been trying to salvage the project. The repo's are currently hosted at someones University but they are basically down and they are trying to get them switched over to something else. I also heard that the creator of Solus showed up and apologized for outright leaving the project in a bad state but now he wants to create a new DE called SerpentOS lol
@sweetbabyalaska Why, oh Why? Creating an entire distro as a mere showcase for a new desktop?😮 I guess that's all the Solus distro was created for as well? Makes sense that they chose to have a skeleton repo instead of using apt or pacman. Soul-less...
Wouldn't Flatpak solved the issue if small repositories? If you had a small group managing the basic distro, Flatpak wouldmtskem are of the rest.
I like the Budgie desktop and look forward to it's continuous existence on other distros.
Flatpak wouldn't solve their issues because Flatpaks only work for you desktop apps. Command line tools don't work well as Flatpaks and the base system packages (like the kernel) can't be a Flatpak, of course. AppImages would solve the command line tools problem....but still you can't package the kernel as an AppImage.
OK guys it's time to updoooooooooooooooooooot. NOT.