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bro i am from France and one day i'm gonna buy one of my dreems cars the THE PONTIAC GTO and i hope that you can help me to rebuild it specially the engine cause yours is insaaaane mate! thanks for sharing !! ;)
Many of the comments are about the minimal max hp gains from this conversion. What we should look at is the overall hp/tq curve difference between TP and TB, this will tell a much better story as to whether or not the added expense is worth it. Also, you may want to try replacing that K&N air filter top with a solid lid (domed preferably), in most applications it causes way too much air turbulence.
Thanks John... what's almost impossible to explain or put a $$$ amount on, is the drivability. Awesome throttle response, and starting at any temperature is dramatically improved. First I've heard of a turbulence issue with the Top K&N... not too worried about it, as the injectors are no where near the throttle blades. Thanks again!
But in real life most of them are against the hood insulation blanket and not moving any air thru the top it just equalizes the negative and positive pressures
Love this video. I purchased a single plane Speedmaster aluminum single plane intake manifold to replace my Edelbrock RPM intake for the purpose of doing fuel injection in the runners. I have a carburetor on a Pontiac 461. I dynoed 328 rwhp and 441 rwtq with stock 6x8 iheads in a 81 Pontiac TA Pace car. I was wondering how to do this port injection and your video just explained it. Thank you for posting. This helped me out a ton 👍
Awesome! Yeah, you're gonna love port injection... the idle quality is even better than the throttle body version. Which I didn't realize until driving home. Awesome!
@@FastMonty also wondering if I can hook up the wiring from that dual set up into my original wiring on my 94 mustang. I want to go from OEM 16'' to your exact set up. OEM set up doesn't work well on new motor.
You most likely can... depends on the wire size. you'll most likely be pulling more amps with bigger fans. You also need to find out if your OE fan is brushless, or not. Have fun!@@dvinpeace
Thanks Mike, been waiting for this video since you put the new engine in. So will you get us a drivability video. I'd like to know the difference between the TB and PI when it comes to cruising?
I know, life certainly got in the way of getting this done... but, glad I did. Good point about drivability, not sure how to do a video on that, as it's subjective to me. But, what I can say is it's better. The biggest difference is how fast it comes down to idle, from any RPM. Whereas before, it would dip to low, go a little high, then settle... all within about 2 or 3 seconds, but I notice it. That issue no longer exists. Starts faster at all temps. And the throttle response is much nicer... might get me into trouble. :) Thanks brother!
For me it would be for a new guy setting up a fitech system. Standard power adder or port injection. After that it’s all about the look Timing control will make you feel why haven’t I done this earlier
Finally! Looks good my man, sounds better. I'm old school and I can hear the Pontiac porting through exhaust. I was about to flag your channel! Cause you had us wanting so long! Lol. Keep the other brand(car) going my friend!
Thanks for not flagging me, Anthony... lol Yeah, so glad I finally did this conversion, idle quality is even better than the throttle body unit. Which I didn't realize until driving home from filming this video... thanks for hanging in there!
@@FastMonty hows the other driving experiences, start warm, moderate throttle in let say low speed and what not... Same or better. I took the class with FiTech and was wondering about the port injection drive ability . Used the throttle body injection before...
@@anthonydavis5993 well, sounds weird, but everything is better. I know it's subjective, but my favorite improvement is coming to a stop, or coming down to idle... it seems to react faster, whereas the original throttle body the idle would dip to low, catch up a little to high, then settle. within 3 seconds? This unit nails it, doesn't matter if I'm coming down from 2000 rpm, or 4500... I love it. Second to that is throttle response. Third to that is starting at all temps. Hope that gets you off your ass. lol Thanks brother!
How much did the fuel economy improve by, and I can't wait to see the pwr gains of hei vs. computer controlled timing. I would love to try the fitech port injection if it had trans control.
Andre, great question... I too wonder about any power gains with Computer Controlled timing. I suspect it'll be more fuel efficient/cooler running too, especially at idle. Not sure if FiTech has trans control or not? Have you asked them? Thanks for the comment!
@@FastMonty It's basically tape that has no glue and only stick to itself. This means it does not stick to the skin. Practical for both the garage AND date night🤣
This is in Southern California... yeah, I agree it would be super nice to have a dyno handy. As long as the system is "learning" you should be able to tweak from there. Thanks for the comment!
@@FastMonty Oh yeah, this is Kevin from the gym btw :) Love how the channel has grown! Yeah I've done the auto tuning for the fuel maps and fuel is decent, but I turbocharged the car too and getting ignition right is critical with boost, I dont want to run into detonation. I can't find any local dynos in San Diego that can help with megasquirt
@@aventarikevin121 Ha! Thanks Kevin... I'm a little slow at connecting the dots. I don't know of any "good" dyno tuners in San Diego either. I'll keep my eyes and ears open for ya. See ya at the gym!
Ha! That depends on your threshold of cost pain vs. improvement. What's not in this video is the drivability, almost everything has improved, especially coming down to idle from any RPM, cold/hot starting and the new throttle response is going to get me into trouble, ha, ha... thanks for the comment!
Great question, Jordan! So, I fell in love with the affordability of the original throttle body system, and also learned that several of the sensors and components of the throttle body can be replaced with AC Delco parts. I think most of the Sniper system components are proprietary? Could be wrong. Anyway, that's how it started... then when I rebuilt the engine, I had a crazy idea to implement FiTech's Port Injection tech. BUT, they didn't have one for Pontiac's... so, having my RestoMod motivation of being different, I wanted to be the first with a Pontiac FiTech Port Injection system. I think I am? lol That said, I certainly love it! Thanks again.
@@FastMonty FWIW, since the best of us are taking notes, on Sniper units I believe the injectors are the only proprietary part and I think some people have worked out a non-proprietary replacement. As with FiTech, other sensors and what not do have standard replacements available. On my second IAC valve currently and it still has some inconsistent idle problems, for the note takers... Awesome being the first/test mule for the FiTech port injection on a Pontiac. Value is not just in HP/$ spent, numbers matching block has a lot of value too, maybe not all monetary. Right there with you on that. You don't get that so much with a LS swap.
Throttle Body Injection - 435HP@5,079rpm/501ft/lbs torque@2,780rpm $1,592.99. Port Injection - 436HP@5319/511ft/lbs torque@3540 $1,938.00. The car picked up 1HP and 10ft/lbs of torque. Now forget about buying the initial TB kit as one can sell it on Ebay. But spending $345 more for port injection to gain 1HP 10ft/lbs which could EASILY be run to run differences is IMO not worth it. So perhaps the TP idle quality is a tad better than the TB. A $15 grand Butler engine is NOT going to run that smooth and I don't care what you do to it! IMO of course. Hey spend your $$ any way you want!
Exactly right, to each his own. And what's not shown in this video is the drivability improvement, that I learned on the way home... cold/hot starting, coming down to idle from RPM is almost immediate, and the improved throttle response is now going to get me into trouble. So, yeah, my $15,000 Butler motor is smoother than ever now. Thanks for the awesome note taking!
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Thanks for sharing.
Awesome! Welcome to the FMG family, Ed!
bro i am from France and one day i'm gonna buy one of my dreems cars the THE PONTIAC GTO
and i hope that you can help me to rebuild it specially the engine cause yours is insaaaane mate!
thanks for sharing !! ;)
Awesome! I got you... that's why I filmed how to build this engine, so you can do it too. Thanks again!
Many of the comments are about the minimal max hp gains from this conversion. What we should look at is the overall hp/tq curve difference between TP and TB, this will tell a much better story as to whether or not the added expense is worth it. Also, you may want to try replacing that K&N air filter top with a solid lid (domed preferably), in most applications it causes way too much air turbulence.
Thanks John... what's almost impossible to explain or put a $$$ amount on, is the drivability. Awesome throttle response, and starting at any temperature is dramatically improved. First I've heard of a turbulence issue with the Top K&N... not too worried about it, as the injectors are no where near the throttle blades. Thanks again!
But in real life most of them are against the hood insulation blanket and not moving any air thru the top it just equalizes the negative and positive pressures
Love this video. I purchased a single plane Speedmaster aluminum single plane intake manifold to replace my Edelbrock RPM intake for the purpose of doing fuel injection in the runners. I have a carburetor on a Pontiac 461. I dynoed 328 rwhp and 441 rwtq with stock 6x8 iheads in a 81 Pontiac TA Pace car.
I was wondering how to do this port injection and your video just explained it. Thank you for posting.
This helped me out a ton 👍
Awesome! Yeah, you're gonna love port injection... the idle quality is even better than the throttle body version. Which I didn't realize until driving home. Awesome!
Love your content! Thanks for sharing. Had a question about your fan set up. Did the 14 inch fans make a big difference on the street in traffic?
Thanks! Yeah, it's all about CFM. My new 14" SPALS are working great... check it out, when you can; th-cam.com/video/roExpEcuAKM/w-d-xo.html
Yes I checked out your video. Just wondering if you seen big difference on the actual street in traffic?
@@FastMonty also wondering if I can hook up the wiring from that dual set up into my original wiring on my 94 mustang. I want to go from OEM 16'' to your exact set up. OEM set up doesn't work well on new motor.
You most likely can... depends on the wire size. you'll most likely be pulling more amps with bigger fans. You also need to find out if your OE fan is brushless, or not. Have fun!@@dvinpeace
Yup! Way better. @@dvinpeace
Thanks Mike, been waiting for this video since you put the new engine in. So will you get us a drivability video. I'd like to know the difference between the TB and PI when it comes to cruising?
I know, life certainly got in the way of getting this done... but, glad I did. Good point about drivability, not sure how to do a video on that, as it's subjective to me. But, what I can say is it's better. The biggest difference is how fast it comes down to idle, from any RPM. Whereas before, it would dip to low, go a little high, then settle... all within about 2 or 3 seconds, but I notice it. That issue no longer exists. Starts faster at all temps. And the throttle response is much nicer... might get me into trouble. :) Thanks brother!
For me it would be for a new guy setting up a fitech system. Standard power adder or port injection. After that it’s all about the look
Timing control will make you feel why haven’t I done this earlier
Thanks Craig... as with almost every upgrade... why didn't I do this earlier? ha, ha... See ya!
Great idea for a video....still watching
Thanks Brother!
Finally! Looks good my man, sounds better. I'm old school and I can hear the Pontiac porting through exhaust. I was about to flag your channel! Cause you had us wanting so long! Lol. Keep the other brand(car) going my friend!
Thanks for not flagging me, Anthony... lol Yeah, so glad I finally did this conversion, idle quality is even better than the throttle body unit. Which I didn't realize until driving home from filming this video... thanks for hanging in there!
@@FastMonty hows the other driving experiences, start warm, moderate throttle in let say low speed and what not... Same or better. I took the class with FiTech and was wondering about the port injection drive ability . Used the throttle body injection before...
@@anthonydavis5993 well, sounds weird, but everything is better. I know it's subjective, but my favorite improvement is coming to a stop, or coming down to idle... it seems to react faster, whereas the original throttle body the idle would dip to low, catch up a little to high, then settle. within 3 seconds? This unit nails it, doesn't matter if I'm coming down from 2000 rpm, or 4500... I love it. Second to that is throttle response. Third to that is starting at all temps. Hope that gets you off your ass. lol Thanks brother!
How much did the fuel economy improve by, and I can't wait to see the pwr gains of hei vs. computer controlled timing. I would love to try the fitech port injection if it had trans control.
Andre, great question... I too wonder about any power gains with Computer Controlled timing. I suspect it'll be more fuel efficient/cooler running too, especially at idle. Not sure if FiTech has trans control or not? Have you asked them? Thanks for the comment!
not yet will ask though
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Thanks!
Ah cool. That clear tape is like bondage tape....😀
Ha! Haven't heard that one yet... thanks!
@@FastMonty It's basically tape that has no glue and only stick to itself. This means it does not stick to the skin. Practical for both the garage AND date night🤣
@@AB-80XDual purpose! ha, ha...
Where is that dyno? I built megasquirt and installed on my VW and I've been street tuning, but I need a dyno
This is in Southern California... yeah, I agree it would be super nice to have a dyno handy. As long as the system is "learning" you should be able to tweak from there. Thanks for the comment!
@@FastMonty Oh yeah, this is Kevin from the gym btw :) Love how the channel has grown!
Yeah I've done the auto tuning for the fuel maps and fuel is decent, but I turbocharged the car too and getting ignition right is critical with boost, I dont want to run into detonation. I can't find any local dynos in San Diego that can help with megasquirt
@@aventarikevin121 Ha! Thanks Kevin... I'm a little slow at connecting the dots. I don't know of any "good" dyno tuners in San Diego either. I'll keep my eyes and ears open for ya. See ya at the gym!
Was the price of the parts worth the squeeze? Not a lot of added HP and torque changes.
Ha! That depends on your threshold of cost pain vs. improvement. What's not in this video is the drivability, almost everything has improved, especially coming down to idle from any RPM, cold/hot starting and the new throttle response is going to get me into trouble, ha, ha... thanks for the comment!
Why not go full edlebrock pro flo efi. Love the car no hate. It just seems like more steps for the same outcome.
Great question, Jordan! So, I fell in love with the affordability of the original throttle body system, and also learned that several of the sensors and components of the throttle body can be replaced with AC Delco parts. I think most of the Sniper system components are proprietary? Could be wrong. Anyway, that's how it started... then when I rebuilt the engine, I had a crazy idea to implement FiTech's Port Injection tech. BUT, they didn't have one for Pontiac's... so, having my RestoMod motivation of being different, I wanted to be the first with a Pontiac FiTech Port Injection system. I think I am? lol That said, I certainly love it! Thanks again.
@@FastMonty ok, I was curious since I plan on going efi soon. Love the detailed Pontiac info you bring us in this Channel.
@@jordanrodriguez3406 No worries, and you're welcome! Thanks for being a part of the FMG family!
@@FastMonty FWIW, since the best of us are taking notes, on Sniper units I believe the injectors are the only proprietary part and I think some people have worked out a non-proprietary replacement. As with FiTech, other sensors and what not do have standard replacements available. On my second IAC valve currently and it still has some inconsistent idle problems, for the note takers... Awesome being the first/test mule for the FiTech port injection on a Pontiac. Value is not just in HP/$ spent, numbers matching block has a lot of value too, maybe not all monetary. Right there with you on that. You don't get that so much with a LS swap.
@@kevinw6282 Thanks Kevin! I love my "new" engine. ha, ha...
Throttle Body Injection - 435HP@5,079rpm/501ft/lbs torque@2,780rpm $1,592.99. Port Injection - 436HP@5319/511ft/lbs torque@3540 $1,938.00. The car picked up 1HP and 10ft/lbs of torque. Now forget about buying the initial TB kit as one can sell it on Ebay. But spending $345 more for port injection to gain 1HP 10ft/lbs which could EASILY be run to run differences is IMO not worth it. So perhaps the TP idle quality is a tad better than the TB. A $15 grand Butler engine is NOT going to run that smooth and I don't care what you do to it! IMO of course. Hey spend your $$ any way you want!
Exactly right, to each his own. And what's not shown in this video is the drivability improvement, that I learned on the way home... cold/hot starting, coming down to idle from RPM is almost immediate, and the improved throttle response is now going to get me into trouble. So, yeah, my $15,000 Butler motor is smoother than ever now. Thanks for the awesome note taking!
@@FastMonty You bet. I I too stayed in school :). Don't know if they do that anymore. Take notes that is. :)
@@Danno74Z Ha! I laughed out loud at "I too stayed in schoot", thanks for that. And, agreed, not sure what they do anymore. ha, ha...
@@FastMonty You take care and have fun. Keep it between the ditches!
@@Danno74Z Same to you! And, thanks for being a part of the channel... I always appreciate good thoughts. Thanks!
All that money and hes going to get beat by some punk gen z in a junked out 3000$ stock bmw
Yeah, right.