Can you SEE Autism?
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- Can you see #autism? While it is true that you cannot tell if a person is on the #spectrum just by looking at them, there are some #autistic traits that are observable. Today I am running through a few observable autism traits that I missed in myself before my late #asd #diagnosis.
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Autism and Meltdowns: www.autism.org.uk/advice-and-...
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Autism doesn't have a look. I totally agree. I don't know why, but I can usually spot an autistic person, in real life, just by looking at them. I think most autistic people are able to recognize each other, maybe because we can immediately spot hints and signs that nobody else cares.
We don't have a look but we have a vibe we see in each other haha 😅
we do have a vibe lol
@@WoodshedTheoryMusic affects peoples aura...
I will kind of disagree that we don’t have a look 😊. I think it’s noticeable through our lack of facial expression primarily. There are also things like the way we can be eccentric and dress accordingly or change our hair colour regularly. And there’s the awkwardness and clumsiness, hand flapping, and differences in our walking gait. Quite a few things really.
That was really clarifying when you said you can have quick reflexes even though you have the symptoms of dyspraxia. I am often tripping and bumping into things, misjudging where I am and something else is in space. And, like you, can at the same time respond quickly and dodge or catch something coming at me. I couldn’t reconcile that in my mind until just now. And the same with delayed processing yet talking over people which CAN feel like “jumping ahead” rather than “lagging behind”. Confusing as heck! It actually makes sense that both can be true and one doesn’t cancel out the other. That’s helpful! 🙏🏼☺️
yes I am. not sure if other people share this experience so I am glad you feel the same
I think that with me it's more that I have a hard time judging when it's my turn to talk. Maybe it goes with not being able to read others' emotions?
I'm similar - I have terrible coordination, but I once fell off a rope swing and caught the bar on my way down, like something from an action movie!
Boy did you sum that up well..
and hand eye coordination sports with rackets - I suck at it.. I just wanna grab the ball.. lol! (Say tennis or baseball.. I just couldn’t.
Holy crap this comment made me realize I am this same way. I am clunky and will often trip over things in my peripherals, but my hand eye coordination for things such as sports and puzzles accelerated in my late teens.
It's sad so many of us are looking back now and realizing none of this was caught when we were younger, but it simply wasn't on the radar screen of our teachers, counselors or even parents. So much has been masked over the years. I was terribly emotional, but was scolded for crying, so I learned not to. My lisp was fixed by speech therapy in 5th grade... just discovering why I am who I am at 59yrs old.
My lisp was.... helped, but not fixed
I feel the same way....
I'm a little borderline with eye contact, I tend to be able to focus better on listening to a person by looking at them, but I can't hold eye contact when I'm speaking. So if they're looking away, I can keep looking at them, but if they're looking at me, I shut my eyes or look away.
I'm the opposite from you for talking, I can never figure out when the right time to start speaking is. And by the time I've planned/rehearsed what I'm going to say, I completely missed what was said in the meantime!
i think esp. in the past i wouldn't even be planning on when to speak i would wait as long as i could but then i would start talking
Eye contact....is sometimes too much...too much energy comes thru.
Direct eye contact is intrusive! Keep being awesome.
i'll try!
Direct eye contact makes me feel uncomfortable
A vertical frown line right between the eyebrows is very common. Apparently it's down to being confused by the world from a very early age.
The force is strong with this one...
lol
@@marthamurphy3913a lady i know who is a psychic told me the same thing.
Omg mine is deep
As 10 y/o I saw and heard myself on a video. It was VHS tape so I don’t have it anymore. I was shocked when I heard myself speaking so differently than my peers and with some strange pauses! It was awful to see myself like this! And I saw that wooden expression on my face with kinda smile but not quite! And I just stood up and left instantly I couldn’t watch it. Later I asked my grandpa to play it again. Indeed I was a lot different than other kids! I rocked on the sides and behaved a lot different! After seeing myself i thought I was just ugly. It took me some time to realize it was something wrong with me and my expression not just me ugly. I started training myself in front of a mirror and I’ve been doing this for years. Scripting, training reactions! The results satisfy me somehow but from the latest video I noticed that I still do rocking without realizing it. Only recently I started getting TH-cam videos about ASD. I was shocked how much I relate. And I relate a lot to your experience! Thank you for sharing!
thank YOU for sharing
Marbflar!
My Mom and I constantly walk into doorframes in our house. My Dad used to make fun of us for it because after living here for 20 years we should both be able to navigate all of the doorways! I see the doorframe, I register where it is, and then I clip it with my shoulder on the way through anyway. Another one that I see in my younger son, who is diagnosed, is toe walking. LOTS of toe walking.
6:20 pics or it didn’t happen, Miss Emo Claire!!!!!
- also always have bruised legs and hips because I bump into stuff (without noticing most times)
- also have a bit of a lisp
- also talk over people…
i will have to dig some up yikes
I think this helped me finally link the delayed processing with the talking over people. Not realizing someone is even speaking because it hasn't registered yet and I just finished buffering the previous sentence.
exactly
I'm definitely physically awkward and clumsy. Gym classmates hated having me on their volleyball team. Although I could shoot baskets for basketball, I had a hard time keeping track of where the ball was during play. I remember how frustrated a guy I dated got trying to teach me the cha cha. I bang my shoulders into door frames and apparently hit my hip on corners of tables, because I get a lot of bruises there. Now that I'm old I worry about falling down, because I sometimes catch the toe of my sneaker on a rough patch of concrete or grass. When I go for walks I use trekking poles.
Sounds like my experience also.I can't have things sitting on the edge of the countertop or stove pot handles sticking out too far in the front of the stove or i'll knock something on the floor.Gym class was a nightmare.
"Well...i wanna rumba" - Elly May Clampett
Door frames and I are NOT friends! They are definitely out to get me.
Trekking poles are a good idea. I am 49 and figure that I will have to switch to a tricycle soon because the older I get the less I trust my balance.
Ya it's not fair how they just jump out in front of you like they do.They usually go for my forehead.In a defensive move I did take a plane to the sharp edge of one particularly aggressive door frame a few months back.
Love this!
Thanks dude
Ha I've tripped over my own feet, to the point of tumbling down to the ground, so many times... it's super embarrassing but I normally just chuckle to myself when it happens because it's kinda funny, particularly if you've done it in front of a bunch of strangers. Nice to know it's not just me, Claire!
I think my most observable trait is my complete inability to moderate my speaking volume. The amount of times I get asked to speak more quietly by, for example, my family or my colleagues, is insane. It does often make me angry when that happens... which of course makes me even louder....
Great video Claire, I can relate to some of these. One was I also never knew I subtly rock sometimes until my fiance mentioned it
Jenna that is so interesting! I would have never noticed it in myself either
Like while talking and standing? Just slowly going from weight on one foot to the other? Would that b considered rocking? I definitely do that. I am self-diagnosed
One of the things that pushed all my self-discovery -in addition to my little niece's diagnosis_ were precisely very subtle things that my ex-partner noticed. Apparently no one else seems to notice those things, unless they share that kind of intimacy with you. Now, looking back, everything seems much more obvious to me
I got the nickname PBJ Guy because people at work started noticing i ate a peanut butter and jelly sandwich for lunch every.... single... day.... 😸safe food much?
interesting - people also noticed i ate the same stuff over and over at my job
Same...
So many people are dyspraxic with great reflexes in the comments!! I'll add my story - I'm very clumsy, couldn't effectively throw or catch a ball until my teens, still bang into furniture, doors, walls all the time. But when I was at uni, I went shopping with some friends & the surf shop we were in had left their trapdoor open to the basement, with no warning signs or barriers & all the clothes rails still right next to the hole. Which I fell down backwards because I didn't see it 😱
I fell the full length of my body, but managed to reach out & grab the edge of the hole with my left hand, without thinking about it & hold myself there even when the trapdoor shut on my hand & my friends had to open it to let me out. Apparently it was hilarious to watch me fall in slow motion 😳
Somehow I didn't break or even sprain anything, although went to A&E because my hand swelled up & we were sure I must have broken bones. (I did get compensation from the shop, eventually, but no apology.). I still have a mark under my skin from the bruising, but it only shows up when it's cold.
Yes to the clumsy. Never thought about my reflexes but hmmm...yes, pretty fast. I could catch a lot of situations before anyone else in my preschool teaching days. I honestly always figured it came of my hyperprotective instinct born of having been abused but this is something new again. Interesting! Ah, definitely get the eye contact and communication issues, too. Thanks for another very relatable video!
I remember I was told, by my teacher, to look at them (quite often) when they were talking. So I guess I subconsciously learned that I had to look at people when they talk, even though I struggled to listen. It’s so irritating because they think they made me listen, but actually did the opposite. I wonder if this is a common experience for late diagnosed autistic people?
from what i know it is a common experience
That I relate to. That and worse was when I give blank stare. Teachers knew I was on the spectrum though so got in even more trouble as they thought punishment would fix me
@@voska7390 That’s fucked up! 🥺
Please, PLEASE do a video on this topic of talking over people and processing delay. I have this issue but I don't understand it and it is a big problem for me.
Yay! I have done a video on delayed processing but I can def consider doing another!
For me I can't always tell what is a space between two words and what is a space when someone is done talking.
Yeah I trip yet have crazy good reflexes.
Some days I am much more clumsier than I realize and bump into people and things in the street. It's a totally mystery to me why it's worse some days. Another trait I have is Obsessional Paranoia. I become fixated with special interest subjects that take up much of my time which then effects my life. I also find other people's neurotypical need to make eye contact tremendously difficult to deal with and very unnecessary. i am sure they do it on purpose to bully and overpower others.
I only started suspecting I might be autistic about a year ago. Before that I was looking at other things like ADHD and OCD... thinking (yes it sounds bad) "I'm a little ADHD and kind of OCD..." but looking at the criteria I didn't feel like I met enough of the criteria but I dismissed autism and didn't even looking into it because I had a very stereotypical view of it and I figured I didn't have learning difficulties and wasn't a genius... I'm not Sheldon Cooper or something...
-I rock back and forth. Or sway back and forth from side to side when standing. [edit... I would have said I don't rock, but I've noticed myself doing it in the past year}
-I am very clumsy. I have decent balance and reflexes, but can walk into walls too often.
-I broke down crying... even in public... a lot. I've been better more recently... but it happened in school and more recently when involved in the SCA (Society for Creative Anachronism) when there were social events multiple times a week that we felt we had to go to and special events on the weekends... and I think I just got totally overwhelmed and broke down crying and hid in the bathroom at two events pretty close together. Went with my sister and was told off that I was an embarrassment... My sister moved away and I stopped going to stuff...
I never really noticed eye contact until recently. A few months before I stumbled upon one of Taylor's videos and thought I might be autistic, I realised I had trouble looking at my boss when I was talking to her about something serious. I'd look all over the office and think "I need to look at her! Look at her! Eye contact!" and I would... then my eyes would start wandering again. I never really noticed it before that point. Now I've noticed I tend to look at people's mouths and not their eyes.
-I don't think I have a speech impediment or anything like that. -- talking over people... definitely... sometimes by accident and sometimes because I NEED to say same right now before the subject changes. 😅 Not sure if it's connected, but I will also finish people's sentences when they take too long or are struggling to find a word (often with my sister).
Sorry for yet another novella... 😅
you don't have to feel bad for thinking that - a lot of us felt that way - i used to think i "kind of" had OCD - no i was really really sick
@@WoodshedTheory Thanks.
After realising I'm likely autistic, I'm wondering if those things are part of autism or if I might have comorbidities. I OCD stuff is like checking if I have my keys multiple times before leaving, even though I just checked and know they're in my purse. Or double checking I've locked the car or house door, even though I know I just did it... I just have to double (sometimes triple) check... and there's no really reason for it. Washing my hands a lot... started washing groceries in 2020 because it was recommended but now I feel like I should do it because germy people might have touched them... I'm not sure it's enough to be OCD.... I just know I have some OCD tendencies.
ADHD was something I've been more leaning towards... for many reasons. I've done online quizzes and get borderline results (like the last quiz... I forget the actual numbers, but it was something like 0-20 is no, 20-40 is likely ADHD...and I got 20)... but could it be autism that just looks like it could be ADHD (eg stimming), or could autism be covering up some other symptoms? 😅
I can't afford a formal diagnosis right now, but maybe one day I'll know. [also not sure how to go about getting one, an internet search shows there's no one that diagnoses adults anywhere near me..]
I hide in bathrooms so I can cry in private. I can cry without making any noise. I had to do this much more often when I was in school.
Aw! Just wanted to chime in & say I used to do SCA, too. The big events can be intense & I'm impressed with how active your group was with multiple events. It makes sense you'd get overwhelmed & if you ever go back, maybe just choose your favorite things (or maybe do smaller events & not the bigger ones if you aren't up to it. I liked small events the best). I hope you can go back & feel safe there. I had a Shire of the most amazing group of women (teachers, really) that took me in & taught me how to sew & all kinds of things. They even picked me up for meetings when I had trouble driving. I learned so much, & we just geeked out about our interests & they were completely non-judgmental. It was lovely & quiet. During the few camping trips I did, I made my tent really gorgeous & hung out in there as a safe spot. At the feasts, my best hack was to go wash dishes as soon as possible if there wasn't entertainment to watch, so I didn't have to have to be in character or be around so many people and make smaller talk. I hope if it's something you love you can go back, but with more understanding of your needs. Wishing you the best!
@@cynthiabrown5456 I think it's mostly that there was fighting practice once a week (I didn't fight, but my sister did and I went to watch... which involved sitting and socializing), an A& S night once a week, then illumination meeting every couple of weeks, then there were events in Ottawa, Montreal... other areas that were within diving distance. Even went to Toronto area several hours away for some stuff. It was a few years ago and I forget all the proper terms, but there were course days in cities, coronations, camping events... it just got to be so much. It didn't help that I kind of felt like an outsider who didn't fit in and wasn't good enough at any of it. I can sew and made myself outfits, but I'm not good at stuff like drawing or painting and I fail at calligraphy... and I didn't want to wear stinky, sweaty armour and get hit... I didn't feel like I really had a place I fit. I also am not a fan of camping... I also considered myself the princess in the princess in the pea... one small lump on the ground and I can't sleep... and bugs love me and bites swell up horribly. If there were no insects it wouldn't be so bad outside.
I did get into fingerloop braiding, which was something no one was doing around me. I thought it could be a think I could be good at and I think I was okay at it.
Anyway, this canton was a large area. I think people local to me got less involved and the it was at least an hour to go to any of the weekly events. It was just too far (and I hate driving). I used to go with my sister, but she moved away. Then I went with some friends, but they stopped going for various reason, partly due to the distance... and health reasons...and life in general. I'm not even sure if the canton exists anymore or if I'd have to go all the way to Ottawa....there was talk of that happening at one point. I'm also too shy to go by myself... especially where I don't know people, or don't know them well... so might not end up going back. I've always had an interest in things Medieval, but the social stuff scared me and I often felt like I was drowning at events... even though that doesn't make sense.
Thanks.
sensory issues related to food, veeeery common. I was very meticulous with food, to the point that many times my mother took me to the doctor to "fix" it (I remove the "little colored things" (anything hard, pieces of carrot, pepper, etc) not mixing things, like the foods should not touch each other in the dish; the textures of the oranges, I also put water in the sodas because I couldn't stand the strong sensation in mouth and throat) And I didn't think much about all that until a few years ago, when my niece was diagnosed with ASD: "So picky eating, just like your uncle" ...yeah, that epiphany moment
I hated foods touching each other because I might not like the taste of them mixed together.
Excellent video! Thank you :)
Many thanks!
I get flat effect on my face. This happens when either I’m spaced out or pay close attention to something or someone. Spaced out for me is when brain goes into some deep thoughts processing information.
I definitely have had that clumsy side to me my whole life. As a child I'd have so many bruises from bumping into things.. I still do but I've gotten slightly better but as soon as I don't concentrate on what I'm doing, I'm back to my clumsy self.😅
Eye contact issues for me too.
For eye contact I learned to watch the mouth. Not only does it appear to be having eye contact but also helps me stay focused on the conversation so my mind does not wonder. It is problematic with people having bad breath or bad teeth or sores. Nose hairs! learn to groom!
Similar experience with understanding talking over others
Glad I’m not alone
Dyspraxia - yes, some girls were desperate to teach me how to dance as a young guy. I was always bad at sports, but in my youth I ran the women's world record in the 400m :-) Another question about visible traits would really interest me: What about our ability to recognize other autistic people?
I am not sure
Generalized joint hypermobility! I have Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, and a large majority of us in that community are neurospicy. And the correlation goes the other direction too - I think I read somewhere that at least 50% of Autistic folks are hypermobile (although important note: much of that is benign hypermobility rather than a full-blown connective tissue disorder like EDS). This joint instability - along with proprioceptive weaknesses - is related to the clumsiness factor you mentioned. So yeah pretty much if your knees and/or elbows hyperextend and your fingers bend backwards, you might be one of us 🤣
Another great video! So many things resonate with my experience. Thank you for sharing😊
thank you eric
I have never been told my son doesn't look autistic. I think that's because his experience of autism is very "classic." He toe walks, hand flaps, has self injurious behaviors, and is nonspeaking. I, however, get told all the time I don't look autistic. I had problems with s, th, and z sounds and was in speech,too, as a child. I'm also very clumsy, and my son took quite a while to stabilize when learning to walk and would often fall. Great topic, Claire, and thank you for sharing your experiences! 💞
thanks Whitney
I was almost first
I won’t tell 🤫
Whatever!
Keep it cool guys, keep it cool 😊
Just go back in time...
I can have cat like reflexes …but I also stumble a bit.
Same lol
I’m not diagnosed but I do all of those things too. I remember my mum always saying look at me when I’m speaking to you. And the talking over thing too I totally relate to. It feels like it’s my way of showing I’m following the conversation and the enthusiasm bubbles up and I just say something. I’m just as likely to interrupt with can you smell that or listen to that bird over there lol. Im always covered in bruises too. Going down a straight hallway I can crash into the wall or bump my shoulder going around a corner. My mum was always asking why were my shins always bruised. It’s interesting remembering things about my childhood. I always felt like I was an outsider and different. Thanks for sharing this. It makes me feel less alone.
I know i speak over people, speach impediment and other traits. Im 61 and just thinking i have autism. When i watch videos I can relate strongly to most of them. Thank you for explaining that to me.
Thank you Claire for sharing your autism experiences! I am a new subscriber and am enjoying your content.
While I am not non-verbal, I prefer communicating and collaborating through writing and file sharing rather than through live meetings or discussions. Like you, I also have a habit of talking over people. Frequently though, I do this when another person starts speaking when I haven't finished what I have to say. Like many of us, I rehearse, rehearse, rehearse before going into a meeting or other environment where i have to speak, and just to prepare for going out in public. When meeting with others, I'll often pause a bit to remember my lines and another person will jump in before I'm finished. I'll cut back in and talk over them to maintain my train of thought. I realize this can be perceived as rude, so I asked my coworkers and management to give me a slightly longer pause given my verbal communication abilities, especially in public settings. This hasn't worked out so well so I continue to have to talk over people to make sure I have a voice in meetings and other exchanges. This is frustrating, but I do feel my right to a voice at work supercedes politeness and that I also have a right not to be marginalized as an autistic person because our communication styles can vary significantly from allistic people. I'd love to hear others' thoughts on rudeness versus rights.
These are great, Claire! Thanks. And vehemently is a hard word. 😂 I always try to put an extra syllable in it.
vehe-he-he-he-mently lol
ahh, and the obsession with picking off scabs before they were completely healed..I spent sooooo many weeks with unhealed wounds on my knees (we lived in the country, I could spend the whole summer playing outside 😂)
interesting
Thank you for making these traits much clearer Clare. I talk over people frequently and catch myself at it, but sometimes still cant stop. Its hard. I also frequently bump into things, or stubb my toe. Keep up the great videos, you are doing an awesome job here. Xx
you're not alone i still struggle with listening and speaking over people
Eye contact has always been a real challenge for me. I have fought against it... partly because my step-father forced me to... and then I was in the military.
Another thing that my psych told me was that he has noticed significant posture issues with autistic individuals and he made note of mine, immediately. Thinking about... I see your shoulders also rather unbalanced while you're sitting :)
I have always been one of those people that has a difficult time with conversation and I tend to jump in at inappropriate times. I don't want to talk over people... but I think some of that is from the experience of not being able to participate in conversations without doing so. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I also wonder about dyspraxia. I am terribly clumsy. If I am walking and conversing with someone, I am essentially blind and will run into whatever. Even giant things like walls or giant book shelves. But I have extremely good manual dexterity. I'm a classical musician, metalsmith, printmaker, gem cutter, needle felter, paper crafter, etc. And I do all these things at a very high level. But yet I can't seem to move my body in a coordinated way doing normal activities. It seems impossible to me that someone can have these two extremes.
I would love to see more research on this! This is what I am hearing from many asd people.
Cole Sear: I see neurodiverse people.
Malcolm Crowe: In your dreams?
[Cole shakes his head no]
Malcolm Crowe: While you're awake?
[Cole nods]
Malcolm Crowe: Neurodiverse people like, in public? Around neurotypicals?
Cole Sear: Walking around like neurotypical people. They don't see each other. They only see what they are tricked to see. They don't know they're neurodiverse.
Malcolm Crowe: How often do you see them?
Cole Sear: All the time. They're everywhere.
Thank you for your input musings. So very helpful. Bringing tears because someone knows how I feel, in some respects.
so glad it was helpful
I checked most of these boxes! We should make it a bingo game next time.
love a good bingo
This is another great video! Some these things I relate to a lot.
Glad you enjoyed it!
This was a fun one! Thank you!
You are so welcome!
Thanks for the video Claire 😊
Any time!
I find that l am always thinking ahead, about things that lhave to do,that are days away.
thanks for sharing
I’m similar. Especially if it’s a new experience. If I knew that I was taking a trip a year from now, I’d start planning it today.
Tip-toe walking! Very observable and unless there's some kind of physical explanation for it, it's a pretty sure sign of autism (so I'm told). I didn't even know it was weird until college when one of my flatmates laughed at me for doing it. I'm not sure if I did it less after that or not. To this day, I will still tippy-toe on a hard floor if I'm not wearing my slippers or shoes. It isn't something I ever do on a carpeted floor.
Interesting! I am not a tip-toe walker so I hadn't mentioned it but yes it is an observable trait
@@WoodshedTheory I think it's more common among autistic males, but my daughter does it, too
Would be nice sometimes if you could spot your "own kind" from a distance. To just know. Not necessarily to interact but to just recognize their existense. Most people look neurotypical to me when just passing them in the street.
3:03 Behavior, in particular posture, *does* show up in still photos, though. There's a certain vibe I give off in my childhood photos.
interesting
Pictures capture the energy of our souls...
Every time I look in the mirror
same dude
Lol that's what I was going to say
you know i watched loads of your videos and only just remembered to subscribe
no worries happy to have you
New subscriber. 67 and now being diagnosed.
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hi friend
As a child, I preferred to be around people that where older than I was. I was not interested in my contemporaries.
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I wonder what one with autism would be like if they had a sort of hyper processing instead of a delay, kind of like the hyper threading they were offering in cpus.
Omg I can't even picture emo Claire!
oh gosh it was a whole thing
What I’ve noticed in other autistic people who don’t even know they’re autistic is strong eye contact. My brother will be listening to me talk and his eyes will lock and as if looking straight through me. Also listening to him go on and on about something that is very important to him even if I don’t want to hear it and he just keeps talking.What’s funny is his 2 behaviors will then trigger MY behaviors which is getting burned out because of my strong masking of wanting to just yell stop , stop talking and ew , why are you giving me weird eye contact. 😱I don’t like eye contact and I don’t like listening to long talks about stuff. My brother once told me he thought that it was funny how we’re both weird and yet we let our natural self’s come out to each other though hide it from others and because we understand this we get along very well.
i hear you about the intense eye contact, i think it is done sometimes to compensate, almost like "is this enough eye contact for you?"
8:32 I was an early talker and never had any issues with clarity of speech (at least for my age), but my voice has never sounded quite "normal". I got some teasing at one point for pronouncing my first name as "Jwawn". I've never been too self-concious about it, and was never put in speech therapy, so it's not a huge problem, but it's definitely noticeable for anyone who chooses to care.
I hear from people now that others can hear my impediment and others dont notice it
I can generally hear my issue where it exists in other guys (or in recordings of myself, especially when I was younger), and don't really hear it from you, but from the sound of it you probably put a ton more effort into hiding it than I've ever been motivated to.
Also, there's probably a difference between "weird but clear voice" and "trouble with clarity requiring speech therapy" in terms of how exactly it comes across. Your issue may be more with specific sounds than mine is (pure speculation based on the little you've said here). There also may be differences based on how tired you are, whereas since I just roll with mine (and it doesn't stop people understanding me), mine is pretty constant.
And then there are the common autistic issues with flat affect, and how they work into all of this. I find you sufficiently expressive, but I'm autistic, and maybe people are taking flat vocal affect for a residual speech issue?
Sorry if this is a bit of a wall of text. Linguistics is a special interest.
I am actually also clumsy and as the older I get the more clumsy I seem to get... What I don't understand is that as a child/teenager I was super good at gymnastics, dance and sports in general. At the same time clumsy enough often trip over my own feet or fall up the stairs ... Now I bump into corners, doorknobs, furniture....
interesting! i wonder if it is a matter of being focused on those activities in the moment, where as now you are not focused on how you are moving?
@@WoodshedTheory that sounds about right. During eg. gymnastics I was completely focused on those activities and very mindful of balance and so on. Nowadays I am so focused on other tasks at hand that I don't seem to have any mindfulness towards where my body is in space. 🤔
About 14 years ago (2010), I went to a new psychiatrist for depression. Within the first 10 minutes, he could tell that I'm autistic. (Actually, that's how I first learned that I'm autistic.)
Later on, he told me that he had previously worked at a clinic for autistic children-- that's how he knew.
it's interesting to me that when i hear about people meeting the right dr. they know right away
I was always called very emotional as well.
samez
If you have energy, could you elaborate how a processing delay result in speaking over each other.
Back an dfourth, hea dont look at me :O
apearently tiptoeing is common?
The reflexes might be learned? and dont look at me , being clumsy if i dont pay attention or are too tired to.
eye contact :O
thanks for sharing
NTs can - within seconds and it is visual. They don't necessarily know to call it autism or are even conscious they can tell but they can spot we're different & less likely to interact with us because of it.
Now that I know about NDness/Trauma I'm also pretty good at spotting it. Particularly ADHD.
I think people think I'm a good listener because I'm so often in dissociative 'shut down'.
[ fat tongue or small mouth ;) ]
yeah i think a lot of people can sense the different
You mean I’m not. 3 yr old bratty boy throwing a tantrum ???? …… Never realized that rocking etc. , dropsies - bump a da bump, ….. relate 💞👊🤪
I don’t think so! It’s weird to me that people think we all present the same way (Also, I’m sure this theoretical boy isn’t being bratty on purpose (realizing that word is triggering to me for being called this a lot as a child)
@@WoodshedTheory Hear ya. Sorry Claire 💞🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻👊
I see them everywhere.
ok!
The problem with my reflexes isn't that they're too slow-- they're too fast. Its like my body is slightly ahead of me. I feel like my body is a hurry, like it wants to rush through things. It makes me awkward.
(Although for certain kinds of sudden, quick responses, my reflexes are very fast and very good. But most of the time, my reflexes just make me feel awkward and 'weird')
i see what you are saying
I am not a doctor, but when I took, for a short time, the drug Lexapro with a reduced dosage, it helped me from speaking over others I discovered. But there was a loss of mental clarity that I felt wasn't worth it.
Have you looked into Ehlers Danlos?
I am familiar with EDS but I have not explored it for myself
I am really thinking I might be AuDHD…ugh. I really want to get a final answer for these things.
It does give a lot of clarity - i hope you find the answers you are looking for
Getting frustrated easily which is noticeable.
Speech impediment club.
Me too 😏
welcome to the club :)
I'm going to differ with you on the DSM-V being the best place to start research. I personally feel that the DSM-V's criteria for diagnosis are woefully incomplete and focuses far too heavily on the social traits. The fact that I was hyperverbal was one of the reasons that my neurodivergence was missed as a child. The lack of general research into autism all but makes writing out a specific set of criteria. Much more research is necessary. So, in my opinion, DSM-V = 💩. I'd suggest starting by watching autistic TH-camrs, picking up on the things they say that resonate with you, then doing a deep dive into those topics via scientific journals and papers, and Wikipedia. Then compare the results of that research to the DSM-V.
i think you make some good points. There are definitely of other resources that allow us to paint a fuller picture.
Stephanie Bethany is an autistic TH-camr with a degree in psychology. I don't know if she posts anymore but she has some videos which explain the DSM V's autism terminology . It really helped me understand that I met the criteria for official diagnosis. If you want an official diagnosis it could be useful. If you don't then ignore this suggestion.
Did you make cinnamon stiches poncho shirt behind you
i did! that was a fun pattern!
I can't imagine working at a place where I'd feel compelled to use a diagnosis to justify to others not looking them in the eye. That sounds awful.
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Can you see certain behaviors? Yes. Just as you can see red hair or hear people bad at singing.
Do we have any science that show it's ONLY possible to be autism related? No.
yes autism traits are human traits, so it is possible for anyone to experience them