SCOTT WITH DALLAS PAINT CORRECTION & AUTO DETAILING IN PLANO TEXAS TALKS ABOUT CAR WAX AND SEALANTS AND WHAT THEY REALLY DO FOR THE PAINT www.dallaspain...
I find a wax with a high amount of carnuba wax actually does protect the paint especially here in Pa in the winter months . Those that live in the northern states know how destructive road salt is and how important it is to wash your car often and keep it waxed .
Where are you getting your information? You said wax/sealant have shelf life of 2 years? What is your source? You also say that the manufacturers won't tell you anything, so they're not the ones saying that shelf life is 2 years? So how do you know? Also, in your videos, you talk a lot about "polymers" but you also say in your video that "polymers" have no meaning--"polymers of what?", as you say. It sounds like you're using an industry buzzword to give yourself more credibility, but then you go on to criticize this buzzword, as if doing so should give you more credibility as an "honest" presenter. And regarding your story of the person who waxed his car regularly but still had clear coat peeled, I have read stories from people who waxed regularly and say the paint on their 10+ year old car is like new--take a look at the review comments on car waxes on amazon. As you are a professional detailer, I would have expected more factual evidence and/or chemistry insights (through industry sources) to support your particular claims on car care products.
im so sorry you have little faith in what others say..but i don't blame you, we are all manipulated on retail level all the time and many false claims become truths to many..as a PROFESSIONAL i have done the research..but i will make it easy for you..i was actually reading the facts made in this video right off the side of the bottle:)..i take it your not a pro and you buy waxes or sealants on a retail level?..retail products to my knowledge don't provide that truth on the jar or bottle but many PRO products do...and here is another truth, many so called pros will never read that claim that is on the bottle so they don't know it either:)...im so sorry you think i was being dishonest to you and the viewers...i love you all:)
So you make a claim like "wax/sealant has shelf life of 2 years" with no substantiation, and you are sorry if viewers don't have the faith to believe you? Wouldn't it have been easier and more credible if you had just said: 1) you are reading the shelf life info off a product 2) identify that product 3) say that you believe that this applies to all other manufacturers' products I'm just a car owner who wax his car sometimes. As you say, I buy products "on a retail level". I have a bottle of Meguiars M21 sealant in front of me. It says "PROFESSIONAL" on the bottle. There is no shelf life information on the bottle. There is no expiration date on the bottle. But I should "have faith" that the shelf life information that you claim from an unidentified product should apply here? Do other "polymers" like dishwashing detergent, motor oil, etc. have a shelf life? If someone tells me it's 2 years, I would have expect that person to give me a reason other than to have faith. I clicked on your video because your video was a "recommended" video. The title was interesting. I was just expecting more information to back up that title.
no you don't have to trust anything i say...i completely understand your viewpoint and i honor it..thanks for the comment and perhaps one of my videos in the future that pops up in your recommendation box will be more helpful to you then this one..thanks so much and much love:)
@@richpryor9650 I have many times in other videos. Let me also add when a product like wax is left in hot temperature (above 90 degrees the agents within the wax become compromised) Think of all the people who store in a hot garage. But it's ok because a wax is just a filler and that's how it provides gloss and shine. Look at it this way, if optimum is the only wax on the planet with a UV patent, why would they bother with the patent if all waxes do this anyway? Think about it
Wax may not protect the car from rock chip or any type of light scratches but Wax delays clear coat from wearing away, thus preventing it from corrosion.
Dallas Paint Correction & Auto Detailing You call yourself a pro? Wax adds a layer to the paint so that water doesn't come in direct contact with it thus preventing corrosion if deep scratches are present.
Dallas Paint Correction & Auto Detailing clear coat is still a porous surface at micro level. Damage caused by heat and moisture (expansion & contraction) will eventually wear down the clear coat surface (lots of variable) without the help of wax. Also, modern day wax can withhold very well against uv ray. Finding a wax product review after 3 month shouldnt be too hard.
Dallas Paint correct knows his stuff. Clear coats do not last much here in West Texas 112 F in the dry dusty summer. Wax does not help much either. A lot of cars with fading clear coat over here, mostly dark colored cars even silver cars. Best bet is to buy a white car that can reflect the UV much better. We have four cars two of them,one red and one green who's clear coats are gone. Waxed the red car almost all the time, the original paint's clear coat went away, paint it a second time same thing happened, it is now 24 years old.The white car's clear coat is perfect and shinny it is 19 years old never waxed it . Have not seen a white car here with faded clear coat (yea maybe a 1980's car)..Unless you keep your car in the garage and do not use it as a daily driver, the clear coat will eventually go even with wax. But I can see wax just retarding the process 1 or 2 years, But that is my experience here in the boiling desert haha.
You're doing a good job Scott. It's ok to have some posture and not feel like you've got to defend your position with all the naysayers. Keep up the good work. Steve
Scott love your videos. I like that u tell the facts people dont like it cause they think their way or their way of thinking is the only way, u have 20+ yrs of experience in this field most people commenting negativity have months mayb a 1yr or 2 etc thats why there on TH-cam trying to learn things watching your videos cause they dnt have the knowledge u do. Keep up the good wrk and share your knowledge with people who are actually opened minded and nt ignorant. Much love bro
Refering to Meguairs Ultimate Paste wax. Coming from Meguairs customer service themselves: We do recommend storing this product at room temperature and advise not using this product below 55 degrees. This product does have a shelf life of 3 years, as long as the product does not separate it’s still good to use
I never really thought about the protection from wax but I'm pretty happy to find out that it has any kind of protection in the first place under the right conditions.
Well I don't put wax on for the shine or visual effect. I put it on so dirt doesn't stick to my paint. Also, if hard water such as from sprinklers goes on my car, you better believe it'll give you more time to remove it before it becomes semi permanent.
Thanks for the videos you are a 100% correct in everything you say. Don’t let the fan boys put you down they have invested to much money,time and effort swallowing the marketing departments crap. I live in Australia where its hot all the time and there are very few cars going around with failed clear coats even though most are 15-20 years old and very few people here actually look after there cars. The #1 thing anyone can do for their car is garage it as much as possible. #2 is to use a car shampoo that actually can actually clean the paint and not a ph balanced one. I dont understand people spending hundreds if not thousands of dollars on these products, if your clear coat fails just re-spray the damn part and enjoy a new car look again and it will cost you a fraction of what they spent maintaining their cars over a life time. Cleanliness is absolute king when it comes to long term durability.
I don't agree with you at all. I have many friends who manufacture waxes and other detailing products. From all of them your information is factually incorrect. I'd like some proof to back up your statements. I have a substantial wax collection, everyone of them is in pristine condition. I store them in a dark box, over the colder months in the garage and warmer months where possible in the fridge. Some of my waxes are around 4 years old and still work and protect as good as the day of manufacture. Can agree that 'some' products can degrade over a short period of time but not all. Correct storage and maintaining them, a simple shake once a week helps keep mine in good order.
Waxes and sealants absolutely protect the clear coat from the sun in my experience. I have a 1998 Lexus gs400 which has been daily driven and street parked it's entire life in Hawaii on the windward side. It's hit by harsh sun very often and hit by rain at least half the week. The car has been waxed several times a year for most of its life. The clear coat is not failing on any spots on the car after 20 years. There are others with the same model only newer with clear coat damage and those people hardly wash their car.
Dallas Paint Correction & Auto Detailing Not sure what the second part is referring to lol but keeping the clear is of course more important than waxing but I think waxing helps to keep the clear coat lasting longer. It also protects against weathering like water getting into cracks and damaging paint causing rust, road grime, fallout, kinda helps against over spray, definitely helps asphalt from sticking as well when driving over road work. I personally do it to protect my car which is why I use Wolfgang paint sealant for longer lasting properties, not sure on the uv protection but I've still got clear left after 20 years, which after hearing how fast it gets to 25% is pretty good. I would think by now I should have nothing left.
and i agree..and i said the wax will help with keeping your car clean..but that has nothing to do with the so called polymers within the wax or sealant..i mentioned 3 key points why a wax is great but again that has nothing to do with the POLYMERS within the wax..i never said don't wax your car, in fact i said wax more often ...but if you think those polymers are going to help you with uv protection or from the sun, well thats just not true..im sure i said it will help with releasing water from the panel, i think i said it will be easier to clean in the future, i think i said it will give you time to get to bird droppings and water spots, i think i said it will level the panel and make it shiny and glossy...but all those benefits have nothing to do with the polymers, in fact they can be dead or not active within the wax and you will still get those results
Dallas Paint Correction & Auto Detailing Indeed you did. I was just adding to the list of things waxes helped to protect against for othhers to see since your main focus was on dust and bird droppings then a general statement of easily cleaning
0SimpleSam people just don't know how fast clear coat oxidizes in Hawaii. These people don't live in a place that is at an 11 or 12 UV index, where cars that are 10 years old are blistering everywhere with clear coat literally falling off. No, you won't see oxidized clear in the upper 48 because they aren't near enough to the equator.
So. Are you saying you don't need wax or sealants at all? As long as you wash your vehicle and maintain it often. Then there is no need for wax or sealants?
A lot of clear coat issues also stem from the manufacturers using poor quality products like Dodge did in the early 2000's. in general, most auto manufacturers don't do more than a 2 coats of paint and 1 of clear. Some of the higher end makes like BMW, Mercedes, Lexus (Toyota) use much better quality paints, but still not enough layers of clear/paint due to cost and overall weight savings. It's the nature of making money. My buddy has a show car, and the paint job for his GTO was over $20k. That will never happen in anything other than a Bentley or Rolls.
I think it's important to note waxes and sealants also help keep repel dirt and corrosive materials like brake dust from etching into the clear coat. the idea is to repel as much as possible and then decontaminate on a regimen. i think it's a bit ridiculous to say they don't protect the paint. very knowledgeable pro detailers will all tell you the same thing, how long they last is dependent on the condition the car is exposed to. does it sit 24 hours outside? is it a garage queen? i personally have a black 2008 subaru outback that sat outside for the past 9 years but i polished and waxed it every so often with no signs of oxidation or clear coat failure. ive seen similar younger subarus from owners that probably has never waxed and seen clear coat failure. if anything id like to see some scientific data of your claims or all youre doing is making sensationalist videos for the uninformed sheep to follow. otherwise i did enjoy some of your other videos, but this one is really off the rails.
do you think i pulled those numbers out of a hat?..wax or sealant only last 24 months within the bottle?..or they can't survive over 90 degrees within the bottle?...i was reading those facts right off the side of the bottles!..i didn't have to go far to get the truth but i have also done years of research as well..i don't blame you for not understanding the facts because in my industry we are manipulated all the time and many people take false claims and turn them into truths..im sorry you think i was being dishonest or just trying to make a sensationalist video, but that just isn't true..i have owned many of my cars for over 12 years before being sold and i never placed a wax or sealant on them and yet the clear coat was beautiful just like the day it was new...let me ask you a question?...whats more important..a truly clean clear coat or a clear coat that has wax on it?...again I'm sorry if reading the facts off the side of the bottle in this video has upset you...much love my friend:)
Hey Scott starting to think all you do is make videos. Haha I don't know how you have enough time while running a business. Keep up the good work my friend!
the videos take up very little of my time because i don't edit or script anything:)..just push record and download later..if this video is 12 minutes long, it only took 12 minutes from my schedule
Scott I always enjoy your honesty and how you don’t buy into the hype. Could you suggest a spray wax that has very easy application to help with the self cleaning properties?
Scott: I nver throught that wax made paint look shinier. All it ever seemed to do for me was make subsequent washings easier and last slightly longer. Where did you get the figure of 24 months shelf life for a consumer grade wax or sealant in a sealed container? I can't find that information on any maufacturer's site. I looked at what Ihave and can';t find any date codes. Not that I don't believe you, but 2 years seems like a short period given how frequently this kind of product sits on on a Walmart or OReilly's shelf from Labor Day through the next year's Memorial Day through a winter before it's soled. I guess that I've accidentally beed doing something right without knowing it. My car care products are all in totes that I store in my basement, which is a constant 55 F all years round. I started doing this this after the first year when expensive wax stored in the garage froze and caked in the sealed can. Since so much of the equipment needs to be cleaned and washed, it's easier to carry everything to the basement/laundry area instead of in 2 different directions. Even the hose goes down there, making it simple to connect to the laundry water supply for warm wash water.
Ok, if traditional paste or liquid wax only lasts a few washes, why not simply use a spray way after every-other or every third wash? Also, Meguires has a wash with wax in it (the yellow one) that makes the car look really good after washing. Wouldn't these work just as good as the laborious job of dragging out your polisher and applying the traditional waxes, waiting 20 minutes or so then wiping off - another laborious and time-consuming task? Jus sayin.
Ill cue in i have a car that was painted (with a clear coat i don't no what type or anything that's how i bought the car ) around 2007 it was my everyday car and garaged only at home, i waxed it like two times that entire time but i always washed it good every 2 or 3 weeks max and took care of it cleaning wise besides the waxing car always looked good. My sister has a car that was made in 2007 she has had the car for about 3 years now, the car sits outside and she washes like once a month and it always looks dirty. I had the kids wash her car as i was helping and checking there progress, looking at the paint you could see the heavy level of bonded dirt or contamination that was on it. As i looked at a driver mirror i started to see the clear coat coming off and was like wow. I feel like it has to do more with never cleaning the car and letting all that shit bond to the clear/paint hurting it. Maybe its the clear coat failing or more so the neglect in maintenance and washing habits. So do waxes protect ? idk do they shine yes do they help dirt/dust not sticking to the paint yes. Do i wax my car yes, and just got into this super detailing world and its fun but can be a bit much at times with all the bs.
Hi Scott. What is your opinion on storing polishes and compounds? Do you think they should also be stored in a temperature controlled environment? I've been a detailing enthusiast for about 20 years now and have always stored sealants, waxes and coatings inside the house while compounds and polishes stay in the garage (I live in SoCal). Thank you for making these videos. It's awesome you are able to do all of it without any cuts/edits! No lame 30-60sec intro clip that I always have to skip through on other channels! Keep up the good work!
Scott . . . look up the youtube vid in regards to the new Acura NSX $8,000 Factory Paint Upgrade that is 18mm thick. I'm going to stop by a stealership and see one of these . . . the panels, hood, trunk . . . have to be smaller right ? Primer / Base Coat / Clear w/tint / Clear / Clear . . . wow.
It may not help like spf 100, but it obviously helps the clear coat last a little longer. The proof is in time, look at cars over the last 50 years that were waxed and polished vs ones that weren't.
Rick Malone lol..clear coat formulation has changed drastically over the last few years:) Nobody had clear on their cars 50 years ago..lol Who keeps modern day daily drives for 50 years:)
What about the newer ceramic coatings? Do they provide any extra protection against the sun, bird droppings? Will they prolong the life of the paint and clearcoat? If so, what level of coating do we need?
Coatings can help protect the clear coat as it’s very hard and the coating itself will get damaged before the clear coat. It basically is an invisible barrier to help be a line things have to get past before it even touches your coating. Maintenance is key still but it does help prolong the pain in that sense.
I can see the point that you can't follow the marketing claims of how long something will last. Like some say that it will last through a year,etc.. Also is something like Meguiars paint protect or ultimate fast finish for example in that same boat as a wax/sealant that you're referring to, or are those in a different category? If they're the same, is there something you'd recommend for UV/water protection? I've always had my doubts of the longevity of some of these products even before the video, thanks for bringing this up. Also do you recommend a strip wash as a maintenance item every so often, or is it necessary?
Yes, but don't expect more than 2 or maximum 3 months of protection. Of course it can last longer if you always park in a garage. It is so easy to apply that the longevity doesn't really matter that much.
Some very strong statements you say. And I quite agree but also when you wax a car you get the great gloss wet look of course but really that look only lasts a few hours. The following morning after being out or moist air over night that look you had the day before is probably 50% gone and the only this that is visible is the beading effect. So when we wax our cars we should think about how long with that just wax wet look actually last for if the car is kept on the road ?
Just a thought: All plastics are polymers. Clearcoat itself is a polymer of the polyurethane family. Teflon is a polymer, and has no trouble with stability over 400 F, and is fine down to -450 F. Silicone is another polymer, and is stable from -100 to 250 C So without knowing the specific polymer type, we can't say much of anything about whether they break down or not. My bet is most of the "polymers" in car care products are acrylic or silicone polymers - possibly both.
US Patent www.google.com/patents/US7625966 The essential claim is a combination of silicone and methyl methacrylate. (Methyl methacrylate is the building block of PMMA - Acrylic plastic.) In short, the patent is for a user friendly, fast cure acrylic sealant. (It's not actually a polymer until it's applied and cured) The patent also claims it's temperature resistant to 450 C.
Troy Telford do you think i just pulled numbers out of my hat?..like the polymers can't survive above 90 degrees when inside the container? .or polymers can't survive after 24 months within the jar?..and they could never be Teflon based!..i guess i may need to make another video in the future
this is how bad information gets passed from one individual to the next and that bad information becomes a truth to a lot of people in the end..im not saying that about you Troy, but lets look at the claim of Teflon..yes teflon will be stable over 400F..but here is why you could never apply a teflon coating to your car, in order for the teflon to bond to the clear coat you would need to BAKE the teflon to the surface!...so put your car in the over and bake it and place the teflon on the clear coat after removing from the oven:)..im being sarcastic Troy:)...but as consumers we are lied to all the time and manipulated all the time..its called marketing because they know the consumer is ignorant...sad but true and it happens in my industry called auto detailing on a daily basis!
To clarify:I'm not suggesting that Teflon is used in auto detailing products; I'm just pointing out that "polymer" is an extremely broad range of very different materials, and that Teflon is *a* polymer that has a very wide temperature range.
trust me..the so called polymers within a wax on a retail level or even in most pro products are very weak at best:)...nasa and the government has plastic that will not melt or turn white from the uv rays from the sun..unfortunately you will never see those strong materials on cars..its called corporate greed and answering to stockholders:)..make it for less and sell it for more:)
Hi Scott, so in your opinion, am I adding to the UV protection of the car paint by waxing? My local guy is trying to sell me a $800 multi material treatement that will protect it. Can't I just use wax?
Hmmmm... I really appreciate the honesty in your videos. So, if one lives in a very sunny area (Texas, CA, FL or the Desert) without a garage, they are basically doomed to clear coat failure, sun bleaching and/or oxidation no matter how often they apply waxes or sealants? What to do Scott?!? About what year did clear coats get better? When getting your car painted, should one request BMW hard clear coat? Just trying to understand Scott.
why are you doomed..i owned a 2005 lincoln navigator and had it until 2 months ago, i never applied a wax or sealant and the clear coat was fine as the day i purchased it new
I guess it's because I've never had factory clear coat on my car. My 2005 Honda Civic was purchased in Ohio where the paint was trashed by the harsh winter. It was completely repainted and sold to me in California with 40,000 miles on the odometer. With no protection, the paint bleached and suffered some clear coat damage. I now have a brand new body shop paint job. I thought applying a sealant and regular application of wax would preserve the new clear coat. Now it seems you are saying that it won't. Just trying to understand. I don't have a garage, but I'm considering a car cover.
Learning a lot from your videos. It also hot here in Albuquerque. How will temps impact Griot's Best Show Detailer, Interior Detailer and Optimum Products like Wash & Wax or No Rinse Wash & Shine? Just trashed some AutoGlym Polish that had been in my garage for 2 summers.
Hey Scott, I have a 2016 Tundra. I live in central Oregon. We get hot summers and freezing winters. So between going off road in the summer and the cinder rock they put on the roads in the winter. Safe to say my truck gets dirty easy. I also have some scratches on the sides. Was wondering a couple of things, one what wax/sealant do you recommend for getting ride of the scratches and then adding some more protection? And two looking at getting a buffer because of some injuries so doing it by hand takes to long and aggravates the injuries, what dual action buffer do you recommend? Thanks Andrew
So what your saying is that wax and other selants don't really "protect" the paint but they simply enhance the look of the paint? Very interesting another huge lie from the auto detailing industry. Thanks for showing us the truth Scott!
I had a honda accord 2001 on which i got a ceramic coating from the stealership :) . They charged $500 for it in 2000. The paint on it was fine after 17 years and i never waxed the car , only occasional wash in the automated washing places. So i guess that, it was worth the money spent on the coating .
Wax prevents rain which is not neutral ph and minerals that can stain your paint. Now sure I'd imagine the suns heat making the paint expand can damage but it can reflect some uv.
Ok so I have a 2015 grand Cherokee in black crystal, pain in the butt to keep clean, wax with Meguiar’s ultimate paste wax, and yes it looks excellent, but you are saying that it’s doesn’t protect the paint long. What wax or sealant would you recommend for use on a black vehicle? Also what is so bad about water beading?
Hey Scott great video nice to see someone come out and just give the facts just like your video about washing your car with ph neutral soap keep bringing us the great videos thank you for the info
Agree, this makes sense. You are telling their purpose. Which can be tricky for some ppl to understand. But.. How can i protect or refill my clear coat ? I have a car camry 2008 . i am giving it for repaint at some xyz paintshop not at toyota. Should i ask them to put clear coat after paint job or is it standard they will put it ? Can i put the clear coat seoerately is they dont put it. What arrrre my options to protect my paint now .
Scott After sealant menzerna power lock plus and a coat of collinite 915. "Etiquette of ellegance " When re apply both How do I took the wax and sealant let says in 5 months Because. You can not sealant over wax right? Help please or anyone who really knows like Scott Thank you in advance
My customers dont care about the protection, or at least they dont mention it. All they want is shine and hydrophobic effect, at least thats all they talk about. How long it will last doesnt matter. Most of my regular customers want a wax every 4 to 6 weeks and they either wash the car themselves or pay me to do it inbetween the waxes.
Nice video!! Keep coming through. So much better than watching videos about weed 😂 also would you mind doing a vid on collinite 845? I'm going to try it and put some fast finish over it but wanted to see what you thought.
Wonder if you mix Coppertone Sport into liquid wax would that provide any UV protection?? Is there any wax or sealant that provides UV protection on the market? It seems like waxing is a total waste of time.
not a waste of time at all...regardless of the polymers the wax or sealant has many benefits ...i just wouldn't be thinking the polymers are truly protecting my paint as many believe
Video guys crack me up..."water beading, water beads are actually not your friend, but that's a subject for another day"...I'd like to hear anybody talk about that for more than ten seconds. Or not.
they work well..you have to be careful of water spots..ceramic coatings are very difficult to apply as a mobile detailer because I'm outside in the elements a lot and you need a controlled environment and thats hard working outside a lot
Clear coats really need to be done inside a clean environment with good lighting and temperature control and no breezes, dust, insects so they can set up properly. In the outside mobile world, I could see a problem with the application.
I work exclusively with ceramic LSPs. Scott is right; it's essentially impossible to do as a mobile enterprise. IMO, coatings can offer an almost unprecedented degree of protection and gloss, with some caveats of course. It isn't necessarily for everyone. Right now I'm looking at a car on its third day of work. I have ~20 hours into it and there are still a few things left to perfect. Even though this isn't inexpensive, I have little doubt that a fully booked mobile operation is more profitable in the long run.
Hey Scott. I love you're vids and have been enjoying them for a while now. I agree with you on this subject. I once detailed my car, and my lsp happened to be the ultimate wax, right before a vacation where the car sat outside for a week. I thought for certain that I would not have any water spots or bird droppings etched in the paint by the time I got home. Boy was I wrong. I literally had to do another 2 step paint correction detail when I got home and saw the massacre on my cars paint. I was horrified and really bummed. Couldn't undo 100 percent of the damage, but it still came out nice. I feel the best protection, is keeping a vehicle in a garage. But boy are these wax and sealant companies doing a great job marketing to keep us buying products!
Like you videos and I'm a subscriber. I do have a question, if the wax polymers that can't survive above 90 then how can it protect my paint in 100 degree weather??
very good question:)...well it has to do with what surrounds the polymers within the bottle as well..the theory is the polymers can survive on the paint once they cross link and drop down through the petroleum( reason why you need to wait for hazing before removing)..they say the polymers can survive over 240 degrees but what way can we verify that once on the panel and things like friction from wind hitting the car as you drive,plus rain water and dirty water from puddles on the street and many more factors will destroy the polymer anyway..its a huge rabbit hole but the sealant or wax still has many benefits regardless of the polymers...hope that helps with your question:)
Dallas Paint Correction & Auto Detailing . Yeah, sorry for not being specific. I have quite a collection of rinseless and waterless wash concentrates. They are stored in my laundry room, but bc of the vastness a few of them are over 2 yr old. I'm not concerned with the protection they put down nearly as much as I am now questioning if they are still safe to use.
Dallas Paint Correction & Auto Detailing . Btw, love your videos man. Would love to be directed towards some of your pricing for after the winter crud ends.
Hi Scott. Love your videos and thoughts. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and opinion. Thumbs up. Seems that all those products are just doing something for the existing clear coat instead of the paint. My thoughts by seeing your videos.. Clear coat eventually will have an expiring date too. Im planning to send my vehicle to detailer for paint correction, i.e cleaning the body and removing swirl mark. What is your thought on carpro reload sealant as the finishing wrap up from the detail job, i.e claybar etc and polish? For the clear coat... Better off than wax?
I like your channel , but I disagree with you here , because any wax , any sealant , any coating , when applied to the clear coat , they give shine and hydrophobic abilities , and as you said . But that is because they have some thickness , a fine layer of wax or sealant on top of the bare clear coat , and as long as shine and hydrophobic ability exist , it means that this wax or sealant layer is still their Yes they are sacrificial , but that is the whole point in the first place , to protect the clear coat for some time . You can't get shine and hydrophobic ability without a physical layer doing that . If you coat a cup with cooking oil , it will look shiny and it will bead water sprayed on it , why ? because there is a thin layer of oil film coating the cup.
If someone can invent some sort of special cost effective film to apply all over the car. A bit like a screen protector for a mobile phone that you can simply peal off and apply a new one. Imagine if you had scuffs and scratches and all you have to do is peal off the film and apply a new one. You could potentially be 100% scratch scuff and swirl free finish. I have seen these types of films protecting corners of car doors or boot lip protection. But why not the whole car if carefully applied ? But I would guess any physical layers over the clear coat won’t look great and will lose that great glossy wet finish.
don't be bummed out!...as i said in the video the wax has many benefits regardless of the polymers within the wax and those benefits are very cool:)...i just wouldn't fall into the deep rabbit hole if the polymers can actually protect the paint as they claim..do you like the way the car looked after you spent 3 hours?..i bet it looked great so not all lost my friend plus you will have great water behavior and it will be easy to clean in the future plus it can help you with bird droppings and water spots but you will still have to remove them in a timely fashion
Dallas Paint Correction & Auto Detailing, would you comment on the TopCoat F11 product. Lots of users sharing their videos on facebook pages. There are probably you tube videos for this product also. It isn't cheap but the cars look like mirrors when they are done for not much work. tia
If the gloss and beading is only lasting a couple of weeks, you are using an inferior product. I apply Collinite on my vehicles every three months and I never wait until the clear coat goes flat before reapplying. Wax doesn't protect? You're nuts. It protects the clear coat from contaminants bonding to the clear coat. Park two cars under an oak tree- one car protected with a quality wax or sealant and the other without anything applied. When you wash those two vehicles, you will see that the tree sap and bird poop washed off easily. The untaxed vehicle will be full of bonded contaminants and etched with water spots and bird bombs. The reason why we decontaminate clear coat is because wax and polymers don't stick to contaminants. Now, reverse that statement. Contaminants don't bond to waxes and sealants for the same reason. I have a car that is parked outside 100% of the time and there is no need to decontaminate the clear coat with regular washes. Why? It is protected with Collinite, which is a quality mixture of Carnauba and synthetic sealants. Sure, you can spend 10 minutes spraying on a wax and you can tell your customer you waxed their car. Those inferior products, do little protecting and a lot of enhancing on a short term basis. Yes, they make great toppers, but do very little to protect the clear coat. You might want to invest in a can of Collinite 915 and spend three hours applying and removing it. Then tell me it doesn't protect. It absolutely does! I enjoy your videos on here, but you're off your rocker on this one.
wow..and thats exactly what i said in the video:)..better water behavior,helps with bird droppings and water spots(sorry i forgot tree sap and other contaminants) also helps with cleaning the car in the future, also levels the panel to help with gloss and shine...did i forget something?...oh by the way your carnauba will melt away when your panel reaches 140 degrees..carnauba is perhaps the worst form of protection for your car..sorry but its just a fact..i never said don't use a wax, in fact i said use it more often if you like those benefits from the wax but again all the benefits you mentioned have nothing to do with the polymers within your wax or mine:)
meguiars ultimate fast finish isn't a typical spray wax..its actually a spray sealant much like opti-seal..its a true paint sealant!..now i know why you made the comment you did, you lacked the correct information but I'm happy i was able to help you:)..thanks for saying I'm off my rocker...wow how rude
i also never said the beading leaves after a few weeks, i said the leveling effect of the wax leaves the experience after a few washes or a few weeks..sorry you misunderstood the video
Dallas Paint Correction & Auto Detailing I avoid using Collinite in June, July and August for that reason. During those months, I use a sealant because of that carnauba melting effect and ghosting in the hot sun. You said in your video that the protecting aspect only lasts a couple of washes. I totally disagree. My point is a quality product will last several months and does protect clear coat. How long does that protection last? You're right-there is no way to tell. But there are clues that we can look at during the durability period such as its hydrophobic qualities and the way the clear coat feels washing and drying the surface. Like I said, if you reapply a quality wax before it shows signs of degrading to the point it's not protection, your always protected. Therefore, it's not only a visual enhancement, its protecting your clear coat against damage by contaminants that bond to the clear coat. Show me a 10 year old car that has never been protected and compare it to a vehicle that's been waxed 40 times in its life. The difference will be remarkable. Clear coat fails due to damage from etching and moisture getting between the base and clear coat. If your friend's Honda clear coat failed in 5 years with regular intervals of protection, it's a manufacturer clear coat issue...not a wax issue.
ok..i never waxed my navigator for over 12 years..i have never waxed my lexus for almost 3 years now..my navigator clear coat was fine after 12 years..my lexus clear coat is just as perfect..how do you explain that and could we say thats enough proof that i didn't need a wax after all?..and my friends honda, i said it was a manufacture issue and no wax would have stopped that clear coat from failing so I'm not sure why your point is...also i use the meguiars fast finish for all my customers who use me once a week or once a month, would you agree I'm protecting their paint more than those who use a quality wax say every 3 months?..by the way meguiars fast finish is the strongest wax so meguiars says that they make:)
well find me a wax or sealant that can actually block UV light and i will tell you:)...the clear coat does an awesome job of blocking UV light by the way...if you go to meguiars website, you will notice they will not claim that any of their waxes can block UV light and other companies just lie...sad but true
Psssttt hey pal John from LongIsland the Honda story about wax isn't valid I did auto body for 30 yrs and Honda had a recall for their paint for the exact reason u mentioned I had many re-paints in my shop covered by the recall. Just an FYI... Peace and pay no mind to these trolls here apparently they have too much time on their hands in their moms basement
but thats exactly what i said and meant...no wax would have stopped the defect from happening..but now lets go the other way,if the clear coat isn't defective and you use a wax for its uv protection in hopes it will preserve the clear coat longer..will that work?..are the so called polymers going to make the clear coat last longer from uv rays?..i know the answer but interested in your thoughts
Dallas Paint Correction & Auto Detailing lol the paint failure had nothing to do with the waxing or not every 3 months the paint would have failed anyway
of course and thats what i said in the video and yet I'm still lost by this comment:)...but you didn't answer my question...i also think your assuming what i was trying to say and thats what you heard..but hey i make that mistake as well and its a part of being human:)
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I find a wax with a high amount of carnuba wax actually does protect the paint especially here in Pa in the winter months . Those that live in the northern states know how destructive road salt is and how important it is to wash your car often and keep it waxed .
Where are you getting your information? You said wax/sealant have shelf life of 2 years? What is your source? You also say that the manufacturers won't tell you anything, so they're not the ones saying that shelf life is 2 years? So how do you know?
Also, in your videos, you talk a lot about "polymers" but you also say in your video that "polymers" have no meaning--"polymers of what?", as you say. It sounds like you're using an industry buzzword to give yourself more credibility, but then you go on to criticize this buzzword, as if doing so should give you more credibility as an "honest" presenter.
And regarding your story of the person who waxed his car regularly but still had clear coat peeled, I have read stories from people who waxed regularly and say the paint on their 10+ year old car is like new--take a look at the review comments on car waxes on amazon.
As you are a professional detailer, I would have expected more factual evidence and/or chemistry insights (through industry sources) to support your particular claims on car care products.
im so sorry you have little faith in what others say..but i don't blame you, we are all manipulated on retail level all the time and many false claims become truths to many..as a PROFESSIONAL i have done the research..but i will make it easy for you..i was actually reading the facts made in this video right off the side of the bottle:)..i take it your not a pro and you buy waxes or sealants on a retail level?..retail products to my knowledge don't provide that truth on the jar or bottle but many PRO products do...and here is another truth, many so called pros will never read that claim that is on the bottle so they don't know it either:)...im so sorry you think i was being dishonest to you and the viewers...i love you all:)
So you make a claim like "wax/sealant has shelf life of 2 years" with no substantiation, and you are sorry if viewers don't have the faith to believe you? Wouldn't it have been easier and more credible if you had just said:
1) you are reading the shelf life info off a product
2) identify that product
3) say that you believe that this applies to all other manufacturers' products
I'm just a car owner who wax his car sometimes. As you say, I buy products "on a retail level". I have a bottle of Meguiars M21 sealant in front of me. It says "PROFESSIONAL" on the bottle. There is no shelf life information on the bottle. There is no expiration date on the bottle. But I should "have faith" that the shelf life information that you claim from an unidentified product should apply here?
Do other "polymers" like dishwashing detergent, motor oil, etc. have a shelf life? If someone tells me it's 2 years, I would have expect that person to give me a reason other than to have faith.
I clicked on your video because your video was a "recommended" video. The title was interesting. I was just expecting more information to back up that title.
no you don't have to trust anything i say...i completely understand your viewpoint and i honor it..thanks for the comment and perhaps one of my videos in the future that pops up in your recommendation box will be more helpful to you then this one..thanks so much and much love:)
@@dallaspaintcorrectionautod8343 Are you gonna answer his question?
@@richpryor9650 I have many times in other videos.
Let me also add when a product like wax is left in hot temperature (above 90 degrees the agents within the wax become compromised)
Think of all the people who store in a hot garage.
But it's ok because a wax is just a filler and that's how it provides gloss and shine.
Look at it this way, if optimum is the only wax on the planet with a UV patent, why would they bother with the patent if all waxes do this anyway?
Think about it
Wax may not protect the car from rock chip or any type of light scratches but Wax delays clear coat from wearing away, thus preventing it from corrosion.
corrosion?...please explain...wearing away?...hmmmmmm
Dallas Paint Correction & Auto Detailing You call yourself a pro? Wax adds a layer to the paint so that water doesn't come in direct contact with it thus preventing corrosion if deep scratches are present.
Dallas Paint Correction & Auto Detailing clear coat is still a porous surface at micro level. Damage caused by heat and moisture (expansion & contraction) will eventually wear down the clear coat surface (lots of variable) without the help of wax. Also, modern day wax can withhold very well against uv ray. Finding a wax product review after 3 month shouldnt be too hard.
Dallas Paint correct knows his stuff.
Clear coats do not last much here in West Texas 112 F in the dry dusty summer. Wax does not help much either. A lot of cars with fading clear coat over here, mostly dark colored cars even silver cars. Best bet is to buy a white car that can reflect the UV much better. We have four cars two of them,one red and one green who's clear coats are gone. Waxed the red car almost all the time, the original paint's clear coat went away, paint it a second time same thing happened, it is now 24 years old.The white car's clear coat is perfect and shinny it is 19 years old never waxed it . Have not seen a white car here with faded clear coat (yea maybe a 1980's car)..Unless you keep your car in the garage and do not use it as a daily driver, the clear coat will eventually go even with wax. But I can see wax just retarding the process 1 or 2 years, But that is my experience here in the boiling desert haha.
You're doing a good job Scott. It's ok to have some posture and not feel like you've got to defend your position with all the naysayers. Keep up the good work. Steve
Scott love your videos. I like that u tell the facts people dont like it cause they think their way or their way of thinking is the only way, u have 20+ yrs of experience in this field most people commenting negativity have months mayb a 1yr or 2 etc thats why there on TH-cam trying to learn things watching your videos cause they dnt have the knowledge u do. Keep up the good wrk and share your knowledge with people who are actually opened minded and nt ignorant. Much love bro
Refering to Meguairs Ultimate Paste wax. Coming from Meguairs customer service themselves: We do recommend storing this product at room temperature and advise not using this product below 55 degrees. This product does have a shelf life of 3 years, as long as the product does not separate it’s still good to use
I never really thought about the protection from wax but I'm pretty happy to find out that it has any kind of protection in the first place under the right conditions.
Well I don't put wax on for the shine or visual effect. I put it on so dirt doesn't stick to my paint. Also, if hard water such as from sprinklers goes on my car, you better believe it'll give you more time to remove it before it becomes semi permanent.
Even if a wax only gives me 1 week protection from UV; its still 1 week more than not having any wax on.
Enjoy viewing your channel here Scott. Basically I detail my own cars for enjoyment and learn about your thoughts on different products.
Thanks for the videos you are a 100% correct in everything you say. Don’t let the fan boys put you down they have invested to much money,time and effort swallowing the marketing departments crap. I live in Australia where its hot all the time and there are very few cars going around with failed clear coats even though most are 15-20 years old and very few people here actually look after there cars. The #1 thing anyone can do for their car is garage it as much as possible. #2 is to use a car shampoo that actually can actually clean the paint and not a ph balanced one. I dont understand people spending hundreds if not thousands of dollars on these products, if your clear coat fails just re-spray the damn part and enjoy a new car look again and it will cost you a fraction of what they spent maintaining their cars over a life time. Cleanliness is absolute king when it comes to long term durability.
I don't agree with you at all. I have many friends who manufacture waxes and other detailing products. From all of them your information is factually incorrect. I'd like some proof to back up your statements.
I have a substantial wax collection, everyone of them is in pristine condition. I store them in a dark box, over the colder months in the garage and warmer months where possible in the fridge. Some of my waxes are around 4 years old and still work and protect as good as the day of manufacture.
Can agree that 'some' products can degrade over a short period of time but not all. Correct storage and maintaining them, a simple shake once a week helps keep mine in good order.
Waxes and sealants absolutely protect the clear coat from the sun in my experience. I have a 1998 Lexus gs400 which has been daily driven and street parked it's entire life in Hawaii on the windward side. It's hit by harsh sun very often and hit by rain at least half the week. The car has been waxed several times a year for most of its life. The clear coat is not failing on any spots on the car after 20 years. There are others with the same model only newer with clear coat damage and those people hardly wash their car.
good point...is waxing a car or keeping the clear coat clean more important...which one do you think will help your clear coat last longer?
Dallas Paint Correction & Auto Detailing Not sure what the second part is referring to lol but keeping the clear is of course more important than waxing but I think waxing helps to keep the clear coat lasting longer. It also protects against weathering like water getting into cracks and damaging paint causing rust, road grime, fallout, kinda helps against over spray, definitely helps asphalt from sticking as well when driving over road work. I personally do it to protect my car which is why I use Wolfgang paint sealant for longer lasting properties, not sure on the uv protection but I've still got clear left after 20 years, which after hearing how fast it gets to 25% is pretty good. I would think by now I should have nothing left.
and i agree..and i said the wax will help with keeping your car clean..but that has nothing to do with the so called polymers within the wax or sealant..i mentioned 3 key points why a wax is great but again that has nothing to do with the POLYMERS within the wax..i never said don't wax your car, in fact i said wax more often ...but if you think those polymers are going to help you with uv protection or from the sun, well thats just not true..im sure i said it will help with releasing water from the panel, i think i said it will be easier to clean in the future, i think i said it will give you time to get to bird droppings and water spots, i think i said it will level the panel and make it shiny and glossy...but all those benefits have nothing to do with the polymers, in fact they can be dead or not active within the wax and you will still get those results
Dallas Paint Correction & Auto Detailing Indeed you did. I was just adding to the list of things waxes helped to protect against for othhers to see since your main focus was on dust and bird droppings then a general statement of easily cleaning
0SimpleSam people just don't know how fast clear coat oxidizes in Hawaii. These people don't live in a place that is at an 11 or 12 UV index, where cars that are 10 years old are blistering everywhere with clear coat literally falling off. No, you won't see oxidized clear in the upper 48 because they aren't near enough to the equator.
So. Are you saying you don't need wax or sealants at all? As long as you wash your vehicle and maintain it often. Then there is no need for wax or sealants?
A lot of clear coat issues also stem from the manufacturers using poor quality products like Dodge did in the early 2000's. in general, most auto manufacturers don't do more than a 2 coats of paint and 1 of clear. Some of the higher end makes like BMW, Mercedes, Lexus (Toyota) use much better quality paints, but still not enough layers of clear/paint due to cost and overall weight savings. It's the nature of making money. My buddy has a show car, and the paint job for his GTO was over $20k. That will never happen in anything other than a Bentley or Rolls.
I think it's important to note waxes and sealants also help keep repel dirt and corrosive materials like brake dust from etching into the clear coat. the idea is to repel as much as possible and then decontaminate on a regimen. i think it's a bit ridiculous to say they don't protect the paint. very knowledgeable pro detailers will all tell you the same thing, how long they last is dependent on the condition the car is exposed to. does it sit 24 hours outside? is it a garage queen? i personally have a black 2008 subaru outback that sat outside for the past 9 years but i polished and waxed it every so often with no signs of oxidation or clear coat failure. ive seen similar younger subarus from owners that probably has never waxed and seen clear coat failure. if anything id like to see some scientific data of your claims or all youre doing is making sensationalist videos for the uninformed sheep to follow. otherwise i did enjoy some of your other videos, but this one is really off the rails.
do you think i pulled those numbers out of a hat?..wax or sealant only last 24 months within the bottle?..or they can't survive over 90 degrees within the bottle?...i was reading those facts right off the side of the bottles!..i didn't have to go far to get the truth but i have also done years of research as well..i don't blame you for not understanding the facts because in my industry we are manipulated all the time and many people take false claims and turn them into truths..im sorry you think i was being dishonest or just trying to make a sensationalist video, but that just isn't true..i have owned many of my cars for over 12 years before being sold and i never placed a wax or sealant on them and yet the clear coat was beautiful just like the day it was new...let me ask you a question?...whats more important..a truly clean clear coat or a clear coat that has wax on it?...again I'm sorry if reading the facts off the side of the bottle in this video has upset you...much love my friend:)
Hey Scott starting to think all you do is make videos. Haha I don't know how you have enough time while running a business. Keep up the good work my friend!
the videos take up very little of my time because i don't edit or script anything:)..just push record and download later..if this video is 12 minutes long, it only took 12 minutes from my schedule
Webster Slaughter Webster is that you??? Loved watching you play for the Browns back in the day, glad to see you are into detailing now.
What DOES help preserve the clear coat then??
Scott I always enjoy your honesty and how you don’t buy into the hype. Could you suggest a spray wax that has very easy application to help with the self cleaning properties?
Scott:
I nver throught that wax made paint look shinier. All it ever seemed to do for me was make subsequent washings easier and last slightly longer.
Where did you get the figure of 24 months shelf life for a consumer grade wax or sealant in a sealed container? I can't find that information on any maufacturer's site. I looked at what Ihave and can';t find any date codes. Not that I don't believe you, but 2 years seems like a short period given how frequently this kind of product sits on on a Walmart or OReilly's shelf from Labor Day through the next year's Memorial Day through a winter before it's soled.
I guess that I've accidentally beed doing something right without knowing it. My car care products are all in totes that I store in my basement, which is a constant 55 F all years round. I started doing this this after the first year when expensive wax stored in the garage froze and caked in the sealed can.
Since so much of the equipment needs to be cleaned and washed, it's easier to carry everything to the basement/laundry area instead of in 2 different directions. Even the hose goes down there, making it simple to connect to the laundry water supply for warm wash water.
Ok, if traditional paste or liquid wax only lasts a few washes, why not simply use a spray way after every-other or every third wash? Also, Meguires has a wash with wax in it (the yellow one) that makes the car look really good after washing. Wouldn't these work just as good as the laborious job of dragging out your polisher and applying the traditional waxes, waiting 20 minutes or so then wiping off - another laborious and time-consuming task? Jus sayin.
Ill cue in i have a car that was painted (with a clear coat i don't no what type or anything that's how i bought the car ) around 2007 it was my everyday car and garaged only at home, i waxed it like two times that entire time but i always washed it good every 2 or 3 weeks max and took care of it cleaning wise besides the waxing car always looked good. My sister has a car that was made in 2007 she has had the car for about 3 years now, the car sits outside and she washes like once a month and it always looks dirty. I had the kids wash her car as i was helping and checking there progress, looking at the paint you could see the heavy level of bonded dirt or contamination that was on it. As i looked at a driver mirror i started to see the clear coat coming off and was like wow. I feel like it has to do more with never cleaning the car and letting all that shit bond to the clear/paint hurting it. Maybe its the clear coat failing or more so the neglect in maintenance and washing habits. So do waxes protect ? idk do they shine yes do they help dirt/dust not sticking to the paint yes. Do i wax my car yes, and just got into this super detailing world and its fun but can be a bit much at times with all the bs.
This is the best, non BS, auto detailing channel
Scott the dream killer LOL.
I like how you talk, the reality is inescapable.
Hi Scott. What is your opinion on storing polishes and compounds? Do you think they should also be stored in a temperature controlled environment? I've been a detailing enthusiast for about 20 years now and have always stored sealants, waxes and coatings inside the house while compounds and polishes stay in the garage (I live in SoCal).
Thank you for making these videos. It's awesome you are able to do all of it without any cuts/edits! No lame 30-60sec intro clip that I always have to skip through on other channels! Keep up the good work!
Scott . . . look up the youtube vid in regards to the new Acura NSX $8,000 Factory Paint Upgrade that is 18mm thick. I'm going to stop by a stealership and see one of these . . . the panels, hood, trunk . . . have to be smaller right ?
Primer / Base Coat / Clear w/tint / Clear / Clear . . . wow.
so the protective polymers are lost if i leave my car out in sun? Say, a parking lot in the middle of summer?
It may not help like spf 100, but it obviously helps the clear coat last a little longer. The proof is in time, look at cars over the last 50 years that were waxed and polished vs ones that weren't.
Rick Malone lol..clear coat formulation has changed drastically over the last few years:)
Nobody had clear on their cars 50 years ago..lol
Who keeps modern day daily drives for 50 years:)
What about the newer ceramic coatings? Do they provide any extra protection against the sun, bird droppings? Will they prolong the life of the paint and clearcoat? If so, what level of coating do we need?
Coatings can help protect the clear coat as it’s very hard and the coating itself will get damaged before the clear coat. It basically is an invisible barrier to help be a line things have to get past before it even touches your coating. Maintenance is key still but it does help prolong the pain in that sense.
Thank you for always providing us with information. Huge fan and I'm sure I'm not the only viewer that listens
I can see the point that you can't follow the marketing claims of how long something will last. Like some say that it will last through a year,etc.. Also is something like Meguiars paint protect or ultimate fast finish for example in that same boat as a wax/sealant that you're referring to, or are those in a different category? If they're the same, is there something you'd recommend for UV/water protection? I've always had my doubts of the longevity of some of these products even before the video, thanks for bringing this up.
Also do you recommend a strip wash as a maintenance item every so often, or is it necessary?
Another hot topic Scott....Dang, I get away from YT for a week and you make everyone mad! I still love ya brother!
Hi Scott
How about Optimum car wax's uv patent?
Does this provide any benefit to the longevity of a car's clearcoat's uv protection
I'd say yes. Check out their podcasts...opticoat.com/page/podcast
Yes, but don't expect more than 2 or maximum 3 months of protection. Of course it can last longer if you always park in a garage. It is so easy to apply that the longevity doesn't really matter that much.
Some very strong statements you say. And I quite agree but also when you wax a car you get the great gloss wet look of course but really that look only lasts a few hours. The following morning after being out or moist air over night that look you had the day before is probably 50% gone and the only this that is visible is the beading effect. So when we wax our cars we should think about how long with that just wax wet look actually last for if the car is kept on the road ?
Good video, get the truth out there ✌ I'm polishing and waxing for the nice look😆 my clearcoat gonna outlast me anyway 😎
Get ready for the troll comments
Keep bringing the out of box thinking
No matter what the nay Sayers say
Thanks for the vid Scott
lets be honest, the trolls are my biggest fans:)...they can't help but to watch...i love it!.. and how important they are to my channels success:)
so your saying if you have a wax or sealant you dont have to usevehicle and boat wash to remove traffic film????
Just a thought: All plastics are polymers.
Clearcoat itself is a polymer of the polyurethane family.
Teflon is a polymer, and has no trouble with stability over 400 F, and is fine down to -450 F.
Silicone is another polymer, and is stable from -100 to 250 C
So without knowing the specific polymer type, we can't say much of anything about whether they break down or not.
My bet is most of the "polymers" in car care products are acrylic or silicone polymers - possibly both.
US Patent www.google.com/patents/US7625966
The essential claim is a combination of silicone and methyl methacrylate. (Methyl methacrylate is the building block of PMMA - Acrylic plastic.) In short, the patent is for a user friendly, fast cure acrylic sealant. (It's not actually a polymer until it's applied and cured)
The patent also claims it's temperature resistant to 450 C.
Troy Telford do you think i just pulled numbers out of my hat?..like the polymers can't survive above 90 degrees when inside the container? .or polymers can't survive after 24 months within the jar?..and they could never be Teflon based!..i guess i may need to make another video in the future
this is how bad information gets passed from one individual to the next and that bad information becomes a truth to a lot of people in the end..im not saying that about you Troy, but lets look at the claim of Teflon..yes teflon will be stable over 400F..but here is why you could never apply a teflon coating to your car, in order for the teflon to bond to the clear coat you would need to BAKE the teflon to the surface!...so put your car in the over and bake it and place the teflon on the clear coat after removing from the oven:)..im being sarcastic Troy:)...but as consumers we are lied to all the time and manipulated all the time..its called marketing because they know the consumer is ignorant...sad but true and it happens in my industry called auto detailing on a daily basis!
To clarify:I'm not suggesting that Teflon is used in auto detailing products; I'm just pointing out that "polymer" is an extremely broad range of very different materials, and that Teflon is *a* polymer that has a very wide temperature range.
trust me..the so called polymers within a wax on a retail level or even in most pro products are very weak at best:)...nasa and the government has plastic that will not melt or turn white from the uv rays from the sun..unfortunately you will never see those strong materials on cars..its called corporate greed and answering to stockholders:)..make it for less and sell it for more:)
Wow, I have never heard truth like this before on these detail channels!!!
Sweet video Scott so I guess the question is now, how do we protect our paint, If possible? Keep up the videos Scott you rock!
Hi Scott, so in your opinion, am I adding to the UV protection of the car paint by waxing? My local guy is trying to sell me a $800 multi material treatement that will protect it. Can't I just use wax?
Hmmmm... I really appreciate the honesty in your videos. So, if one lives in a very sunny area (Texas, CA, FL or the Desert) without a garage, they are basically doomed to clear coat failure, sun bleaching and/or oxidation no matter how often they apply waxes or sealants? What to do Scott?!? About what year did clear coats get better? When getting your car painted, should one request BMW hard clear coat? Just trying to understand Scott.
why are you doomed..i owned a 2005 lincoln navigator and had it until 2 months ago, i never applied a wax or sealant and the clear coat was fine as the day i purchased it new
I guess it's because I've never had factory clear coat on my car. My 2005 Honda Civic was purchased in Ohio where the paint was trashed by the harsh winter. It was completely repainted and sold to me in California with 40,000 miles on the odometer. With no protection, the paint bleached and suffered some clear coat damage. I now have a brand new body shop paint job. I thought applying a sealant and regular application of wax would preserve the new clear coat. Now it seems you are saying that it won't. Just trying to understand. I don't have a garage, but I'm considering a car cover.
Learning a lot from your videos. It also hot here in Albuquerque. How will temps impact Griot's Best Show Detailer, Interior Detailer and Optimum Products like Wash & Wax or No Rinse Wash & Shine? Just trashed some AutoGlym Polish that had been in my garage for 2 summers.
Hey Scott, I have a 2016 Tundra. I live in central Oregon. We get hot summers and freezing winters. So between going off road in the summer and the cinder rock they put on the roads in the winter. Safe to say my truck gets dirty easy. I also have some scratches on the sides. Was wondering a couple of things, one what wax/sealant do you recommend for getting ride of the scratches and then adding some more protection? And two looking at getting a buffer because of some injuries so doing it by hand takes to long and aggravates the injuries, what dual action buffer do you recommend?
Thanks Andrew
So what your saying is that wax and other selants don't really "protect" the paint but they simply enhance the look of the paint? Very interesting another huge lie from the auto detailing industry. Thanks for showing us the truth Scott!
I had a honda accord 2001 on which i got a ceramic coating from the stealership :) . They charged $500 for it in 2000. The paint on it was fine after 17 years and i never waxed the car , only occasional wash in the automated washing places. So i guess that, it was worth the money spent on the coating .
I hope you are wrong but you explain why I never get the protection I expect from several wax I tried :(
Agree 100%. What about coatings, many are available in the market.. do they provide uv protection?
Wax prevents rain which is not neutral ph and minerals that can stain your paint. Now sure I'd imagine the suns heat making the paint expand can damage but it can reflect some uv.
Ok so I have a 2015 grand Cherokee in black crystal, pain in the butt to keep clean, wax with Meguiar’s ultimate paste wax, and yes it looks excellent, but you are saying that it’s doesn’t protect the paint long. What wax or sealant would you recommend for use on a black vehicle? Also what is so bad about water beading?
It's better being the most honest on TH-cam even if not the most popular
Great video
GREAT JOB!! I love it when you tell it straight!!
thanks for the useful info--love your style of talking cracks me up
Hey Scott great video nice to see someone come out and just give the facts just like your video about washing your car with ph neutral soap keep bringing us the great videos thank you for the info
He is a pro, and I am an amateur, but I don't agree with most of this. I still enjoy his videos.
My sealant still looks good after a year.
Si what is the best way to protect a black car?
Agree, this makes sense. You are telling their purpose. Which can be tricky for some ppl to understand.
But.. How can i protect or refill my clear coat ? I have a car camry 2008 . i am giving it for repaint at some xyz paintshop not at toyota.
Should i ask them to put clear coat after paint job or is it standard they will put it ? Can i put the clear coat seoerately is they dont put it. What arrrre my options to protect my paint now .
Nothing, just the standard quote, (find something you like and) use it often.
Scott
After sealant menzerna power lock plus and a coat of collinite 915. "Etiquette of ellegance "
When re apply both
How do I took the wax and sealant let says in 5 months
Because. You can not sealant over wax right?
Help please or anyone who really knows like Scott
Thank you in advance
My customers dont care about the protection, or at least they dont mention it. All they want is shine and hydrophobic effect, at least thats all they talk about.
How long it will last doesnt matter. Most of my regular customers want a wax every 4 to 6 weeks and they either wash the car themselves or pay me to do it inbetween the waxes.
He sounds like Robert De Niro explaining something to Ray Liotta.
You tell your videos so good keep up the good work buddy
So by this theory protection for a car dash or tonneau cover is worthless to block any significant amount of UV light also, I would assume.
Nice video!! Keep coming through. So much better than watching videos about weed 😂 also would you mind doing a vid on collinite 845? I'm going to try it and put some fast finish over it but wanted to see what you thought.
I enjoyed your video very much. I learned much. Much appreciated.
I have used old wax and it shines up nicely
So if waxing doesn’t protect and doesn’t last then are we better of using nothing?? Seems ridiculous to me.
Its kinda funny to hear this when online there are channels talking about all these products for ever single part of the car. Seems like a waste
Truth !!! Amen
How long does wax last in the box ie I have wax from 5 years ago can I still use it
Most likely the reason my restored paint with zero scratches or anything doesn’t look different after waxing
Wonder if you mix Coppertone Sport into liquid wax would that provide any UV protection?? Is there any wax or sealant that provides UV protection on the market? It seems like waxing is a total waste of time.
not a waste of time at all...regardless of the polymers the wax or sealant has many benefits ...i just wouldn't be thinking the polymers are truly protecting my paint as many believe
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i live in kern Bakersfield CA. it gets ovet 100 degrees in yhe summer. any recommendations?
Video guys crack me up..."water beading, water beads are actually not your friend, but that's a subject for another day"...I'd like to hear anybody talk about that for more than ten seconds. Or not.
Hello, I buy jet seal by the chemical guys. Do you think the same rules apply to sealants that apply to waxes?
But I do use wax for UV protection. This protection needs testing.
Well said reality check,, i was gonna buy two bottles of turtle wax graphene now only one when finish ill try something else.
how about ceramic coatings scott what do you think about them
they work well..you have to be careful of water spots..ceramic coatings are very difficult to apply as a mobile detailer because I'm outside in the elements a lot and you need a controlled environment and thats hard working outside a lot
great oint brother thanks
Clear coats really need to be done inside a clean environment with good lighting and temperature control and no breezes, dust, insects so they can set up properly. In the outside mobile world, I could see a problem with the application.
I work exclusively with ceramic LSPs. Scott is right; it's essentially impossible to do as a mobile enterprise. IMO, coatings can offer an almost unprecedented degree of protection and gloss, with some caveats of course. It isn't necessarily for everyone. Right now I'm looking at a car on its third day of work. I have ~20 hours into it and there are still a few things left to perfect. Even though this isn't inexpensive, I have little doubt that a fully booked mobile operation is more profitable in the long run.
I'd too be interested in Scott's opinion and technique for ceramic coating, especially on a daily driver car like I haves.
Hey Scott. I love you're vids and have been enjoying them for a while now. I agree with you on this subject. I once detailed my car, and my lsp happened to be the ultimate wax, right before a vacation where the car sat outside for a week. I thought for certain that I would not have any water spots or bird droppings etched in the paint by the time I got home. Boy was I wrong. I literally had to do another 2 step paint correction detail when I got home and saw the massacre on my cars paint. I was horrified and really bummed. Couldn't undo 100 percent of the damage, but it still came out nice. I feel the best protection, is keeping a vehicle in a garage. But boy are these wax and sealant companies doing a great job marketing to keep us buying products!
Can you do a video on how to apply ceramic coating and all the step. Thanks
Like you videos and I'm a subscriber. I do have a question, if the wax polymers that can't survive above 90 then how can it protect my paint in 100 degree weather??
very good question:)...well it has to do with what surrounds the polymers within the bottle as well..the theory is the polymers can survive on the paint once they cross link and drop down through the petroleum( reason why you need to wait for hazing before removing)..they say the polymers can survive over 240 degrees but what way can we verify that once on the panel and things like friction from wind hitting the car as you drive,plus rain water and dirty water from puddles on the street and many more factors will destroy the polymer anyway..its a huge rabbit hole but the sealant or wax still has many benefits regardless of the polymers...hope that helps with your question:)
Dallas Paint Correction & Auto Detailing it did thank you for the response.
So do they make a high UV protectant wax on the market?
How can it bond with the paint through the clear coat?
Don't listen to the haters, Scott, they're just cavemen.
i just like having fun with them...they make it easy:)...but i do love them and understand why they are angry
What about waterless and rinseless products? Still safe to use?
safe as in they will not scratch the paint???
Dallas Paint Correction & Auto Detailing . Yeah, sorry for not being specific. I have quite a collection of rinseless and waterless wash concentrates. They are stored in my laundry room, but bc of the vastness a few of them are over 2 yr old. I'm not concerned with the protection they put down nearly as much as I am now questioning if they are still safe to use.
Dallas Paint Correction & Auto Detailing . Btw, love your videos man. Would love to be directed towards some of your pricing for after the winter crud ends.
Hi Scott. Love your videos and thoughts. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and opinion. Thumbs up.
Seems that all those products are just doing something for the existing clear coat instead of the paint. My thoughts by seeing your videos.. Clear coat eventually will have an expiring date too.
Im planning to send my vehicle to detailer for paint correction, i.e cleaning the body and removing swirl mark. What is your thought on carpro reload sealant as the finishing wrap up from the detail job, i.e claybar etc and polish? For the clear coat... Better off than wax?
I like your channel , but I disagree with you here , because any wax , any sealant , any coating , when applied to the clear coat , they give shine and hydrophobic abilities , and as you said .
But that is because they have some thickness , a fine layer of wax or sealant on top of the bare clear coat , and as long as shine and hydrophobic ability exist , it means that this wax or sealant layer is still their
Yes they are sacrificial , but that is the whole point in the first place , to protect the clear coat for some time .
You can't get shine and hydrophobic ability without a physical layer doing that .
If you coat a cup with cooking oil , it will look shiny and it will bead water sprayed on it , why ?
because there is a thin layer of oil film coating the cup.
If someone can invent some sort of special cost effective film to apply all over the car. A bit like a screen protector for a mobile phone that you can simply peal off and apply a new one. Imagine if you had scuffs and scratches and all you have to do is peal off the film and apply a new one. You could potentially be 100% scratch scuff and swirl free finish. I have seen these types of films protecting corners of car doors or boot lip protection. But why not the whole car if carefully applied ? But I would guess any physical layers over the clear coat won’t look great and will lose that great glossy wet finish.
Rui Abreu 3m protective film...already being sold....I'm pretty sure only certified installers can do the procedure though
You can do the whole car, you just need $ to play. It's like $5-7k to get ppf applied on an entire car.
Thank you for being honest 👍🏽
I'm so bummed out.. I just spent hours this past weekend waxing my 3 cars.. all for nothing !!! 🔫
don't be bummed out!...as i said in the video the wax has many benefits regardless of the polymers within the wax and those benefits are very cool:)...i just wouldn't fall into the deep rabbit hole if the polymers can actually protect the paint as they claim..do you like the way the car looked after you spent 3 hours?..i bet it looked great so not all lost my friend plus you will have great water behavior and it will be easy to clean in the future plus it can help you with bird droppings and water spots but you will still have to remove them in a timely fashion
Dallas Paint Correction & Auto Detailing , so what exactly we do to protect the car paint that is not too expensive?
@@hussainimca according to his videos, purple power vehicle and boat wash and meguiars fast finish. Love you Scott
I wish you would drop some science (educate) us on paint coatings. Hint hint!
Dallas Paint Correction & Auto Detailing, would you comment on the TopCoat F11 product. Lots of users sharing their videos on facebook pages. There are probably you tube videos for this product also. It isn't cheap but the cars look like mirrors when they are done for not much work. tia
Ten minutes to say, wash and wax your car, it will make your car look good. If you do it more often it will look better.
Wait, so is there anything I can do to really protect my car from UV?
Not really..
Don't panic, your clear coat does that for you😀
If the gloss and beading is only lasting a couple of weeks, you are using an inferior product. I apply Collinite on my vehicles every three months and I never wait until the clear coat goes flat before reapplying. Wax doesn't protect? You're nuts. It protects the clear coat from contaminants bonding to the clear coat. Park two cars under an oak tree- one car protected with a quality wax or sealant and the other without anything applied. When you wash those two vehicles, you will see that the tree sap and bird poop washed off easily. The untaxed vehicle will be full of bonded contaminants and etched with water spots and bird bombs. The reason why we decontaminate clear coat is because wax and polymers don't stick to contaminants. Now, reverse that statement. Contaminants don't bond to waxes and sealants for the same reason. I have a car that is parked outside 100% of the time and there is no need to decontaminate the clear coat with regular washes. Why? It is protected with Collinite, which is a quality mixture of Carnauba and synthetic sealants. Sure, you can spend 10 minutes spraying on a wax and you can tell your customer you waxed their car. Those inferior products, do little protecting and a lot of enhancing on a short term basis. Yes, they make great toppers, but do very little to protect the clear coat. You might want to invest in a can of Collinite 915 and spend three hours applying and removing it. Then tell me it doesn't protect. It absolutely does! I enjoy your videos on here, but you're off your rocker on this one.
wow..and thats exactly what i said in the video:)..better water behavior,helps with bird droppings and water spots(sorry i forgot tree sap and other contaminants) also helps with cleaning the car in the future, also levels the panel to help with gloss and shine...did i forget something?...oh by the way your carnauba will melt away when your panel reaches 140 degrees..carnauba is perhaps the worst form of protection for your car..sorry but its just a fact..i never said don't use a wax, in fact i said use it more often if you like those benefits from the wax but again all the benefits you mentioned have nothing to do with the polymers within your wax or mine:)
meguiars ultimate fast finish isn't a typical spray wax..its actually a spray sealant much like opti-seal..its a true paint sealant!..now i know why you made the comment you did, you lacked the correct information but I'm happy i was able to help you:)..thanks for saying I'm off my rocker...wow how rude
i also never said the beading leaves after a few weeks, i said the leveling effect of the wax leaves the experience after a few washes or a few weeks..sorry you misunderstood the video
Dallas Paint Correction & Auto Detailing I avoid using Collinite in June, July and August for that reason. During those months, I use a sealant because of that carnauba melting effect and ghosting in the hot sun. You said in your video that the protecting aspect only lasts a couple of washes. I totally disagree. My point is a quality product will last several months and does protect clear coat. How long does that protection last? You're right-there is no way to tell. But there are clues that we can look at during the durability period such as its hydrophobic qualities and the way the clear coat feels washing and drying the surface. Like I said, if you reapply a quality wax before it shows signs of degrading to the point it's not protection, your always protected. Therefore, it's not only a visual enhancement, its protecting your clear coat against damage by contaminants that bond to the clear coat. Show me a 10 year old car that has never been protected and compare it to a vehicle that's been waxed 40 times in its life. The difference will be remarkable. Clear coat fails due to damage from etching and moisture getting between the base and clear coat. If your friend's Honda clear coat failed in 5 years with regular intervals of protection, it's a manufacturer clear coat issue...not a wax issue.
ok..i never waxed my navigator for over 12 years..i have never waxed my lexus for almost 3 years now..my navigator clear coat was fine after 12 years..my lexus clear coat is just as perfect..how do you explain that and could we say thats enough proof that i didn't need a wax after all?..and my friends honda, i said it was a manufacture issue and no wax would have stopped that clear coat from failing so I'm not sure why your point is...also i use the meguiars fast finish for all my customers who use me once a week or once a month, would you agree I'm protecting their paint more than those who use a quality wax say every 3 months?..by the way meguiars fast finish is the strongest wax so meguiars says that they make:)
When will you do a video on Paint Ceramic Coating?
great point I noticed that
So what do you recommend as a uv protectant
well find me a wax or sealant that can actually block UV light and i will tell you:)...the clear coat does an awesome job of blocking UV light by the way...if you go to meguiars website, you will notice they will not claim that any of their waxes can block UV light and other companies just lie...sad but true
put a layer of wax and slide on your bum on the ground and now try it without the wax. one red bum coming right up without the wax
Good point buddy
Psssttt hey pal John from LongIsland the Honda story about wax isn't valid I did auto body for 30 yrs and Honda had a recall for their paint for the exact reason u mentioned I had many re-paints in my shop covered by the recall. Just an FYI... Peace and pay no mind to these trolls here apparently they have too much time on their hands in their moms basement
but thats exactly what i said and meant...no wax would have stopped the defect from happening..but now lets go the other way,if the clear coat isn't defective and you use a wax for its uv protection in hopes it will preserve the clear coat longer..will that work?..are the so called polymers going to make the clear coat last longer from uv rays?..i know the answer but interested in your thoughts
the honda story wasn't trying to validate anything...im so lost by this comment but i hope my other comment makes it more clear:)
Dallas Paint Correction & Auto Detailing lol the paint failure had nothing to do with the waxing or not every 3 months the paint would have failed anyway
of course and thats what i said in the video and yet I'm still lost by this comment:)...but you didn't answer my question...i also think your assuming what i was trying to say and thats what you heard..but hey i make that mistake as well and its a part of being human:)
Scott I sent an email to you work email about engine cleaning. Did you get it?
i will check:)