Why you should know how much your coworkers get paid | David Burkus

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  • How much do you get paid? How does it compare to the people you work with? You should know, and so should they, says management researcher David Burkus. In this talk, Burkus questions our cultural assumptions around keeping salaries secret and makes a compelling case for why sharing them could benefit employees, organizations and society.
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  • @jeromevuarand3768
    @jeromevuarand3768 7 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Go put your salary on Glassdoor if it's not already there.

  • @milehighmolly3609
    @milehighmolly3609 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    You don’t get paid what you’re worth- you get paid what you negotiate and agree to.

    • @hithere3897
      @hithere3897 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      that and some miscellaneious other factors. For example they may add a possition and want to pay a certain wage to attract people (which would presumably be over market) and sometimes they may not really want to hire you but decide your worth a shot (and under pay you), the later probably happens rarer because they have other people to pick from but you get my point.
      In some situations it could be more innnocent like the person who hires you pays you more or less then other people in the company who hired other people and has nothing to do with discrimination but just personal discretion of that person. For example they may be given a range of 15-25 an hour and may decide lets just give this person 24 so he takes the position while another hiring person may offer 16 because he thinks thats enough.
      There really isn't one answer to it. But you can be 100% certain that it absolutely helps companies save money. The only people who definiately won't want there pay revealed are those at the top. If there assumed to be the highest paid then nothing changes. But if others thought others where higher pay those people are going to have problems in the office. There obviously not going to ask for a pay cut.

    • @prohabetamu
      @prohabetamu หลายเดือนก่อน

      But why u need to negotiate? If the job pay 15/hr it should pay 15/hr for every body. How about if u don’t know how to negotiate

  • @HyenaHouseENT
    @HyenaHouseENT 7 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    That's one thing I loved about the military. Everyone knew what everyone made straight across the pay chart

    • @spokenserials4665
      @spokenserials4665 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I also served in the military, but here's the difference. When I was 22 and a corporal, the amount more than me that the First Sergeant made wasn't really that much. Maybe double or triple, but no one makes a lot. Now, in the corporate world, I may make 100k more a year than the guy in the office next to me, 200K more than a guy out in a cubicle and 25% of what the consultant who's there that week makes. I know attorneys who go to the office 3 days a week and mostly hang out who make 10 times what the rank and file does. Here's why we all make that different amount - we all have a value to the business and that value is not about how many hours we work.
      Is it going to help the business for all of the people working on behalf of that business to know what everyone else makes AT ALL? Nope. Once everyone knows how much everyone else makes, everyone is going after it.
      In the military, knowing that helps the military. It shows that none of you are getting rich...in business, the opposite is true.

  • @BenSimpkinBS
    @BenSimpkinBS 7 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    I never have any issue sharing how much I get paid and am not really sure why anyone would.

    • @Dezdom
      @Dezdom 7 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      It could impact the way people interact with you knowing you get a lower payer, or more importantly a higher pay.

    • @mschoplos
      @mschoplos 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      If you don't get jealous easily it's good to do this, but if ur one of those greedy people to not share then that's dumb and selfish. it's good for it to be public info

    • @Diana8Matienzo
      @Diana8Matienzo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I feel the same way! I'm all for honesty and transparency! Good communication is the basis for any healthy relationship, in a micro or macro scale 😃

    • @rockwithyou2006
      @rockwithyou2006 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      clearly you don't make much.

  • @ayramarcos1428
    @ayramarcos1428 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    This is correct, imagine my two workmates having 30 percent more salary than me even though they clearly knew that I am the one having a lot of responsibilities.
    My boss said you are not paid according to your worth but you're paid according to what you negotiated with.
    Sad truth.

    • @heather_bot
      @heather_bot ปีที่แล้ว

      Interesting your boss said that out loud, at least it's something to work with, i guess. are you still with the company?

  • @BroCactus
    @BroCactus 7 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    I know wage gap is a trigger for some of you. Have you ever heard the saying, "take the meat and leave the bones?" It applies to this talk

    • @connernickerson5509
      @connernickerson5509 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Well, I'm a vegetarian, so...
      But seriously, I understand the analogy, I just find that any source of wisdom about knowing how much your coworkers make is inherently discredited in the eyes of some people when the false wage gap myth is introduced. It poisons the well in my opinion, essentially.

    • @SGRODmaster
      @SGRODmaster 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And how do you know that it's false?

    • @Ciph3rzer0
      @Ciph3rzer0 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Whether women and men get paid for the same amount of work is up for debate, and if I remember correctly it is the same in a lot of industries.
      What's not up for debate, however, is the average of womens wages vs average of mens wage, there IS a gap and when people try to explain it away they are discussing possible control variables. The speaker specifically says he's using numbers before any controls, so everyone is getting their panties in a bunch for no reason.

    • @stephaniesmith5454
      @stephaniesmith5454 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      We say "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater" :) but yeah, i cringed at that bit, but the rest of the talk was great

    • @jgtogi6839
      @jgtogi6839 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      When one idea is suspect his whole argument is suspect.

  • @MikeServis
    @MikeServis 7 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I worked for the College and the salaries are all posted on the website, from the president of the college to the gardener.

    • @freakifier
      @freakifier 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      This can hurt some people who are more qualified and are ready for their next job in private sector. They can simply disqualify you based on what you're making or offer way less (still more than what you make). I think the internal transparency is a safer approach.

  • @amyhurst9170
    @amyhurst9170 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I wanna let you guys know I am 15 about to be 16, and I want to keep seeing stuff like this because i feel it will help me when I join the work force next year, keep it up TED

    • @shvm7489
      @shvm7489 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Hows work life going now?

  • @rnagic8652
    @rnagic8652 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    when my co-workers found out I was making almost twice as much as them, I got some serious backlash. even my supervisors were upset because our pay difference was less than 5%. I was often given an outrageous workloads and held to impossible standards. I'll never share my wages again.

    • @minion8
      @minion8 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      well, wouldn't you be twice as good if you get nearly twice as much? don't get me wrong, i know it sucks what happened to you, but it also sucks to get less money for the same workload. if everyone knew what everyone is paid, the companies would have to actually think about paying everyone, regardles of sympathy, but rather meassured on their imput into the company, reasonable wages and those, i assume, should be at the level you got paid - or do you think you got too much for the work you did?
      (ETA: i know what all my coworker and bosses make because we have something similiar he talked about with the coverment workers - for the same work, the only diffence can be the amout of time you've been working at that company - maybe that's why i don't get why it would be so bad to let everyone know, i've seen how it works if done well)

    • @walidshaikh7767
      @walidshaikh7767 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      rnagic you're completely right
      Pay should be kept a secret by the employer but if you are comfortable enough to share it with your co workers it's your wish

    • @rnagic8652
      @rnagic8652 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      minion8​ Eventually people came to their senses and started to direct their frustrations to the responsible parties. The whole ordeal created a bunch of unnecessary drama.
      I get paid what I consider to be "fair" because I research and prepare for interviews. When an interviewer tells you "this is the maximum we pay for this position" it's total bullshit. Use the information you found while researching to convince the interviewer that a fair wage should be double whatever the interviewer offered. I would say that about half of the time the company will call me back after "checking with corporate" with an offer that is 20% to 40% higher than the initial offer.

    • @rockwithyou2006
      @rockwithyou2006 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@minion8 what you are getting paid is totally your responsibility. Either you ask for a raise or go and get a better job. Or maybe you are not as good as your co-worker. Maybe you are not half as good as him ! Its possible. Your co-worker with same work ex and same title could be producing 5 times more revenue than you ! Why does that seem impossible to you really? Sure you maybe working 14 hours a day, but if you cant generate revenue like your coworker, then maybe you are not productive, or not that useful or you can go out and get a better job? Salaries should be based on demand and supply.

  • @mescalinemonkey8183
    @mescalinemonkey8183 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    In the us you have a legal right to talk about your wages without fear of getting fired.

  • @NeedMoreMushrooms
    @NeedMoreMushrooms 7 ปีที่แล้ว +122

    Disliked, the 77 cents on the dollar "wage gap" isn't a wage gap. It resulted from misinterpretation of a statistic. It is the difference of total amount of money earned by each gender, regardless of age, position, hours worked. That means that , women earn less in total because they often tend to settle in secure jobs and tend not to do extra hours. Just statistical, individual results vary, but a woman working exactly the same hours and doing the same amount of work at the same quality (depending on field), by law, HAS to get the same wage.
    Any discrimination, by law, is not allowed and if provable, can cost the company a lot.

    • @chrisose
      @chrisose 7 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      It isn't misinterpretation it is a willful manipulation to create another bullshit meme.

    • @BIMPOCARMELO
      @BIMPOCARMELO 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And even the "pay-gap" between men (and women) can be explained through differential educational differences and skills. I don't know how that's a variable that is often missed, especially when the education system is based off of the notion of "more schooling will get you more money."

    • @NeedMoreMushrooms
      @NeedMoreMushrooms 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      chrisose
      No, feminists made the "argument", anti feminists saw the statistic and figured out that they made a mistake. A meme resulted later on.

    • @NeedMoreMushrooms
      @NeedMoreMushrooms 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ICEYB4LLS
      Women nowadays tend to get the better grades, on average better than men, if anything, by schools they'd get the better average pay. But there are more factors than that.

    • @BIMPOCARMELO
      @BIMPOCARMELO 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      And women, ON AVERAGE, tend to use their degrees on pink-collar jobs whereas men pursue blue-collar work. The wage difference is simply a matter of choice between genders that only individuals are responsible for

  • @dobby240
    @dobby240 7 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    i just small loans of a million dollars

  • @afruitypunchy
    @afruitypunchy 7 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    If woman suffers wage gap despite providing the same amount of result under same effort with man, then why companies wouldn't just hire mostly woman and few man?

    • @markoneoffour6910
      @markoneoffour6910 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Because of affirmative action laws,Just and fyi, that's exactly what companies use to do!

  • @isaacthek
    @isaacthek 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Federal employees basically have full transparency - your salary is determined by the grade of the position you occupy, your years in that grade, and the location of your employment. There may be some vagueness as to the exact dollar (things like awards can make a minor difference to the total amount), but generally you know what your coworkers earn.
    As a related aside, federal employees tend to have high job satisfaction. The complaints tend to revolve around whether hiring discrimination or cultural factors block advancement (a concern basically everywhere), not concerns regarding underpayment.

  • @Grumpini
    @Grumpini 7 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Le 77 cents meme

  • @johnnyjohnson4214
    @johnnyjohnson4214 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    all of the dislikes were from the moment he mentioned the wage gap. other than that it was a good talk

    • @Ciph3rzer0
      @Ciph3rzer0 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      AKA all the dislikes are from people too stupid to comprehend a sentence? Nothing he said was false or even controversial.

    • @61shirley
      @61shirley 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Josh White that's not an argument. You've had an emotional response, irrational!

    • @johnnyjohnson4214
      @johnnyjohnson4214 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Josh White "Woman's wages are 23% lower than men's" that's wrong. Many people (including moderate feminists) agree that this figure is wrong

  • @Runner50783
    @Runner50783 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    It does not work... It promotes wage competition between employees and that brings a plethora of behavioral problems and actually promotes discrimination based on academic record. Discrimination based on academic records may sound good in theory but in practice, the academic success or achievements of a person are not warranty of job performance. The value of a person in the organization can't be fully represented on a mathematical formula either so at the end of the day we will provide transparency, but a lot of people are going to feel dissatisfied as they feel their actual value is not accurately represented. So the best system is to pay based on expectations and increase based on results, expectations are intangible and that's what makes the whole thing gray. You can have high expectations based on someones experience, academic achievement and actual real life results, but the mix will inevitably happen in your head.

    • @Runner50783
      @Runner50783 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      indeed, but unlike expectations you can still measure how many customers a cashier handled, how many errors did she made. expectations are good for positioning you and those are intangible by nature.

    • @Ciph3rzer0
      @Ciph3rzer0 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I assume this is all your professional opinion? what are your qualifications? Or this just uneducated opinion with no credible sources?

    • @Tethalion
      @Tethalion 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why are you paying any individual within any of those roles any differently then?

    • @61shirley
      @61shirley 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Josh White that's not a counter argument

    • @61shirley
      @61shirley 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Teth some peoples labour is worth more, some people work faster and make less mistakes. That person could negotiate a higher wage or find someone who will pay him more. If he gets a raise, that can cause problems with whining colleagues.

  • @NCPhotography
    @NCPhotography 7 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Adam ruins everything?

  • @connernickerson5509
    @connernickerson5509 7 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I swear if this is about the wage "gap."

    • @jamesbrown99991
      @jamesbrown99991 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He seems to be saying that pay transparency would quite possibly get rid of people complaining about the "wage gap"

    • @connernickerson5509
      @connernickerson5509 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      jessbrown99991 Perhaps, but it might also spark jealousy and resentment of its own, poisoning the workplace environment.

  • @goatmonkey2112
    @goatmonkey2112 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Everyone is underpaid. Even if they are getting market rate. If the company can afford to pay a CEO millions, they can afford to give everyone else a 25% raise, easily. Probably a lot more.
    What happens if we put limits on how much more CEOs can make than their employees? For the Cxx's, or board of directors, if they want to make more money, all of the employees have to make more money too. It puts upward pressure on everyone's salary. The risk is that it puts pressure on eliminating jobs too. There must be a way to make this work.

  • @jacksnakejames9570
    @jacksnakejames9570 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The example he gave was one in which person A did their job well, and person B did not do their job well. Why should a company pay them the same amount? It makes sense to incentivize the increased efficiency and increased productivity that employees can provide for the business. That's usually why they do it.

  • @alexgagnon52
    @alexgagnon52 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    open and honest ???? Maybe he should start off with not perpetuating the gender pay gap

    • @stephentroyer3831
      @stephentroyer3831 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Maybe knowing how much each person you work with gets paid would finally put the gap thing to bed.

  • @husnucoban3571
    @husnucoban3571 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice talk
    thanks

  • @tommychill3373
    @tommychill3373 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video!

  • @cryomancer20x68
    @cryomancer20x68 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This seems to have been spoken entirely from a perspective where work means you sit inside an office. I have seen hundreds of hard workers walk out of the door as soon as they learn the harsh reality that a new unskilled employee is making more than they are (even after 5+ years at the company) because the starting pay keeps going up. The transparency can be equally damning to someone's willingness to work.

    • @hungh0
      @hungh0 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      this seems more like a flawed payment/raise scheme problem than transparency
      I'd be pretty mad too if I never got a meaningful raise at a company I've worked for for 5+ years, especially if the idiots up the top keep paying people more to start working for them
      clearly a management problem

    • @xw591
      @xw591 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sounds like your work doesn't pay all workers enough. Pay is pay.

    • @olegat
      @olegat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So you're saying it's better to keep salary secret and keep underpaying the hardworking employee that's been there 5+ years? This is exactly the kind of exploiting the video is talking about.

  • @9brownboyable
    @9brownboyable 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have been employed at the same company for 9 years and recently found out new hires are making %10 less than me.

  • @fleXcope
    @fleXcope 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting topic!

  • @swathih1
    @swathih1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What should you do if you find out you are paid less for the position?

  • @Pgh_heather_412
    @Pgh_heather_412 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If there was pay transparency, it may show those who are actually being paid fairly or higher that they are not being taken advantage of and they may not leave the company. For those who are truly underpaid, if there is the opportunity to correct the error, that would also assist in building loyalty.

  • @musabmahmoud2882
    @musabmahmoud2882 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice talk

  • @vkuse0
    @vkuse0 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We are already in a total market failure. And they don't get it - the productivity & sense of fulfillment would go hyper up, if there was great transparency & openness. & There's no big, small, diplomatic company that believes in transparency & openness except for very few & rare. So until one starts their own thing, they just got to put up with this "information asymmetry".

  • @irenemendiola0925
    @irenemendiola0925 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    So I am curious how much does this guy's pay? :)

  • @nickjoeb
    @nickjoeb 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd love to know that difference.

  • @jishwha4065
    @jishwha4065 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    sounds like a good idea & it may work in a corporate environment but not in a labor field. In case you don't realize , alot of people suffer from American idol syndrome( believing they are better than they actually are ) 3 separate construction companies I've worked for dealt with this & the result was the lazy people who made less cried untill they got the same money as the folks working circles around them. Is that fair ? Is that equal ? and as far as people not knowing there own worth because of not knowing there coworkers pay is plain stupid. All that data is easy to access according to region , field & experience. So good luck with that in industries that reward work ethic over artificial compensation.This is just an opinion based on 3 real world experiences , all of which turned out bad for the employees , employers & the customers. If all people where honest , excepted there skill level & worth , then it wouldn't even be an issue.

  • @Fritbjorn
    @Fritbjorn ปีที่แล้ว

    Federal Law: it is unlawful for an employer to have a work rule, policy, or hiring agreement that prohibits employees from discussing their wages with each other or that requires you to get the employer’s permission to have such discussions. If your employer does any of these things, a charge may be filed against the employer with the NLRB.

  • @4tech69
    @4tech69 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks. I already understand that should be the way it works. In order to maintain my sanity, I'm going to assume they every other adult knew that as well. - Just to clear up any misunderstanding, I was referring to 'you should know how much your coworkers get paid" Nothing else kids. Step outside your bubble now and then.

    • @tossigetotte12
      @tossigetotte12 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The gender wage gap wasn't a pillar at all of the talk. You should learn how to listen.

    • @4tech69
      @4tech69 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I wasn't referring to the wag gap. You should learn how to filter cognitive bias.

    • @tossigetotte12
      @tossigetotte12 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was not talking to you, I was talking to Kalibur. Even before you edited your post that was very clear.

  • @LuxiBelle
    @LuxiBelle 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    So about that wage gap:
    TBF there is still a small wage gap even in the same position due to differences in how men and women negotiate their salary. There is still equality of opportunity, but women for some reason don't seek a raise in comparison to their male counterparts (which is not really anyone else's fault and definitely not sexist).
    AFAIK, this guy is advocating for more transparency in how much everyone makes rather than give women 33% more because patriarchy. This is fairly reasonable since equality of opportunity is still there. I just think this guy should have made that distinction more clear.

  • @tyrantgao6671
    @tyrantgao6671 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    为啥就没有中文字幕呢?!

  • @roidroid
    @roidroid 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    >"Marc Benioff, chief executive of the software company Salesforce... announced publicly last year that he would audit employee salaries and then spent $3 million to *CORRECT THE INTERNAL GAP* at Salesforce."
    >"20 percent of human resource managers recently surveyed by CareerBuilder said that men were paid more than women at their organization."
    >"Intel’s chief executive, Brian Krzanich, said that *THIS YEAR, FOR THE FIRST TIME*, the tech company had no pay gap between men and women."
    The pay gap is a real thing guys. These are CEOs auditing their own companies and seeing the problem, then fixing it.
    If there's no problem, then what exactly are all of these CEOs "fixing" in the above quotes? They're just making it up? Come on now, it's ridiculous to claim that this problem doesn't exist - while big CEOs are literally talking about how they've audited their companies, seen the problem and taken steps to fix it.

  • @mrDeathtrooper
    @mrDeathtrooper 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    People dont understand the difference between wages and earnings

  • @Kelberwitzi
    @Kelberwitzi 7 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    Was liking this until the wage gap came into this. Been disproved many times.

    • @ZacharyHand
      @ZacharyHand 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Alex Scott, Google: the earth is flat. You'll find the info. They've been lying to you mate!

    • @Awrethien
      @Awrethien 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @Kodama shows who the racist in the room is.

    • @Jenkkimie
      @Jenkkimie 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Michael Gäbe, that is a Genetic Fallacy. Judging content not based on their validity and merit but based on who made it, or in this case that it was searched in the Google. I wonder if you also happen to apply that to the study itself, given you also search that from the Google as well?
      No? Of course you wouldn't because you already recognize how much nonsense that argument is from the start. Truth been told it is very easy for anyone to actually read the studies and review them to see how they are based on scientifically flawed methodology, elementary mathematics (single variable calculation as opposed to multiple relevant variables) and inaccurate reporting ( Annual Median Earnings = Not pay, but earnings).

    • @michelgabe1629
      @michelgabe1629 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jenkkimie My point was that his source(or the google result) is probably not valid, because he only searched for something that exactly reflects his opinion and is not supported by any studys etc.. And I know that there IS a wage gab, that's just common knowledge like that the climate change is real.

    • @61shirley
      @61shirley 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Josh White men and women make different life choices which aren't taken into account in the reports that show a wage gap. It's also illegal to pay a women less for the same roll

  • @kanameitsuki8130
    @kanameitsuki8130 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Guys, guys, how do you even get so triggered from one phrase? Did you want someone to hold your hand as he talks about statistics? Did you want a trigger warning? No you're right, it's really hard dealing with reality so you do deserve someone to console you through this hard time.

  • @delvesdg
    @delvesdg 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I work for the City of New York in a Civil Service Title. Transparency is very prevalent. There is supposedly a website where you could type in a persons title and get there full city work history, salary, benefits, etc. More than a few times while merely stating my particular workload, I would get hit with the "You make enough to handle that" line. I feel that if my salary was not public notice, such statements would not be made.

    • @Ciph3rzer0
      @Ciph3rzer0 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      But then again, maybe you'd be making more than you're worth without that transparency?

    • @delvesdg
      @delvesdg 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Josh White I don't fully understand. Please elaborate.

  • @magottyk
    @magottyk 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've got no problems with wage transparency where there is a structured pay scale within a company and productivity isn't reliant on talent, however where the success of a business rises and falls on the individual talents of each employee, then it's not such a good thing.
    Ego's deflate when they find out that they aren't worth as much to the company as the next person, great talent doesn't like being only worth the same as the mediocre. If neither knows what the other gets, then they cannot be disappointed by it.

    • @assalane
      @assalane 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But wouldn't the fact that you know that someone earns more because he is valued more be a source of motivation to do better?

    • @magottyk
      @magottyk 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      assalane
      Not if you don't think that they are better. You might think that you are more valuable than them, so having to do even better to just get the same as they get, adds insult to injury.
      What price trustworthiness?
      Define reliability outside of showing up.
      What number of small, seemingly insignificant things add up to someone who is more valuable outside of quantifiable productivity.
      You could have two employees both as productive as the other, but one can be replaced while the other is considered invaluable to the company.
      How do you measure subjective usefulness?
      Would the invaluable employee be paid more than the replaceable one?
      These one size fits all approaches are never the only best methodology.
      Some employees remuneration should never be disclosed, they know who they are.

    • @hungh0
      @hungh0 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      conversely, if your co-worker gets a raise or gets paid more and you know about it then you know to work more like them, you know whats going to get you a raise

    • @magottyk
      @magottyk 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      hungh0
      Not everyone can perform beyond the average, so amongst the average, transparency might be a good thing.
      A good worker is often just a conscientious average worker, they don't have the capacity to become great amongst their peers.

    • @assalane
      @assalane 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      magottyk
      I value fairness. In that light, I don't think what you earn should be based on nebulous and completely subjective concepts like trustworthiness. I doubt this would even be legal, because, as a matter of fact, discrimination lawsuits are entirely based on arguments that show there are no objective reasons you are getting paid less then peers who perform the same. If your output for the company is good and your experience and qualifications are on the same level, there should be no reason why you should be paid less.
      At the end of the day, people can negotiate their salaries. That is actually the real reason why employers are not comfortable with transparency. They know that would give employee a good argument that they won't be able to refute

  • @ritajames7797
    @ritajames7797 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @ 4:37 to 5:10 - very interesting. Gender pay gap is still a challenge today.

  • @Kyle_Harding
    @Kyle_Harding 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Most union jobs have it printed in black and white, most dead ends jobs post the rate of pay for that given position, only time you ever get to negotiate your rate vs your coworkers is when they need you more then you need them

  • @bendib2003
    @bendib2003 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Guys come on, yes he mentioned the 77 cents bullshit, but what most of you seem to have missed is that he mentioned afterwards that those numbers were before the controlling factors that economists today apply. He is simply being objective.

  • @sanjuansteve
    @sanjuansteve 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    #imOverCapitalism! #TransparencySpring #TransparencyRevolution #EqualityMovement!!!

  • @christosantonopoulos2018
    @christosantonopoulos2018 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    pay transparency may possibly do that however what of worker bulling and exploitation and manipulation by monopoly organizations

  • @fyreaxis4938
    @fyreaxis4938 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Am I the only one that noticed Adam Ruins Everything made a very similar episode recently?

  • @bgcm1995
    @bgcm1995 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    To the adults that took the time to get insulted and state that they were insulted, here is some attention and a baby wipe

  • @43hayn
    @43hayn 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    you get paid to work not to think or complain. If you don't like it work for your self

  • @stealwonders
    @stealwonders 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    5

  • @pym75
    @pym75 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not a great idea. 2 incidences on pay disclosures, resulted in conflicts. One case with a janitor, the broom disappear, one case with a coconut harvester the machete disappear. It was only corrected once the employer call both in give fair and equal pay.

  • @61shirley
    @61shirley 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bad idea.
    If people feel their labour is worth more they should negotiate or get another job.
    I hope this doesn't lead to forcing people to reveal their salary else bosses might be reluctant to give you a rise cos everyone else will want one too, even if your labour is more valuable.

    • @Ciph3rzer0
      @Ciph3rzer0 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I can't even believe how stupid comments are like this, did you make it without watching the video? I already know the answer to that, whether the progress bar made it to the end or not.

    • @61shirley
      @61shirley 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Josh White that's not an argument

  • @computer5272
    @computer5272 7 ปีที่แล้ว +102

    "gender wage gap"
    Aaaaand we are done here.

    • @kimjongduck5335
      @kimjongduck5335 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Why would you? A ot'of people talk about it because it is a real issue... Why would you quit at first sight?

    • @smashedhulk8492
      @smashedhulk8492 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Despite that incorrect information, the idea of not hiding pay is good still. That itself would help idiots who still believe in this pay gap due to a real conversation on pay differences.

    • @computer5272
      @computer5272 7 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Kim Jong Duck It's not an issue, it doesn't exist, the study he referred to does not take into account hours worked or different jobs. It's simply the average earnings of men and women with no variables considered.

    • @Diana8Matienzo
      @Diana8Matienzo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      #triggered

    • @Ciph3rzer0
      @Ciph3rzer0 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      2 more people with no reading comprehension, congrats!

  • @LeonidasGGG
    @LeonidasGGG 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    if value equals valor it's all fine. but I don't have this problem... cuz Im unemployed

  • @joshuagharis9017
    @joshuagharis9017 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Definitely underpaid. My photography company, Legacy Studios, pays us a measly $0.25 per mile, not the full IRS' $0.585. We drive 100s of miles, early and late days, for barely $28,000 annually. Meanwhile, they're set to pull in another 1.5 to 2 million dollars 💸 this year.

  • @soywaz6645
    @soywaz6645 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I get paid £7.20 an hour which is $8.53 American dollars

  • @sanjuansteve
    @sanjuansteve 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    #imOverCapitalism! #TransparencySpring #TransparencyRevolution

  • @marcorodriguez6240
    @marcorodriguez6240 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wouldn't want my co workers to know how much more money I make.

  • @heather_bot
    @heather_bot ปีที่แล้ว

    I got interested in this topic (again, today) because I work with animals at a clinic. There is a semi minium wage job (they pay over stat min wage but it's still only 9 or 10.... Well this guy started not too long ago, less than a month, he doesn't sem all that interested in the job, and TBH is a little out of the age range.
    OK i thought, he needs work. So my husband works a physical job and they are hiring, and this guy came to mind, they definitely pay better, so i pulled the guy aside .
    I asked if we was furthering his career with animals or what... he said, oh *the boss was willing to work with my SPORTS schedule.. Oh Ok i see (he called my boss by her first name, which is weird in our setting because she is a DMV, we all call them DR soandso)
    I was like, well how much is she paying you, I bet you coud make more and they would work with your schedule. .
    He told me hes getting paid the same as someone who works 2x as hard, is WAY more knowlegeable, and has been a loyal employee for 8 years.
    IDK why he told me, or why the dr didn't tell them to not discuss because of the obvious nepotisim being displayed (he plays sports with the drs husband) but it's been pretty obvious since i started 5 years ago, and now it's not even hidden. everyone is talking about it now, and instead of being fair, theres some gossip since before i started.

  • @wipje41
    @wipje41 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is definitely an american thing i presume. When payments are variable me and my collegues put paychecks next to eachother to make a good case.

    • @jspr2k5
      @jspr2k5 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Out of curiousity - why would you and your colleagues pay be different each month? What do you do for a living?

    • @Simboiss
      @Simboiss 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jspr2k5 People have different skill sets, they worked there longer, employees have different tolerance towards overtime, etc.

  • @stephaniesmith5454
    @stephaniesmith5454 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm really into this, but did you have to say 'wage' gap rather than 'earnings' gap?

    • @___Truth___
      @___Truth___ 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Even if he changed it, I'm pretty sure people could still pick up on its synonym.

    • @stephaniesmith5454
      @stephaniesmith5454 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Truth Yes, but I wouldn't have so immediately dropped my face on the table out of pure cringe

  • @MexicanPronunciationGuy
    @MexicanPronunciationGuy 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    my co-worker juan makes $4.00 and hour. He makes more than me. Time to ask for a raise.

  • @ConsumerParalegal
    @ConsumerParalegal 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    The only issue I see, is some have more educational background in the field than others.....

    • @sifo672
      @sifo672 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Which is meaningless if you can’t do the job as well. Practical experience ALWAYS superseeds any ‘education’ certificate. Which is why anyone worth their salt values experience over a certificate.

  • @markgrayson6759
    @markgrayson6759 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    i had first hand experience with this situation. I worked for a company where i was demoted from my position but i was still getting payed my regular salary for a couple of years, until i got asked by someone who i thought was a cool coworker. after i told him my check was dropped to where i was supposed to get payed, so i asked my boss at the time what happen and he said that someone told higher management and he couldn't do anything about it. so a few months later i quit that job and found another one that payed a little bit more than what i was getting before. because of that situation i am totally against what this guy is preaching.

  • @franklix
    @franklix 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the gender wage gap is real.I do more work,trained new people on same level,take on huge responsibilities and got an MBA degree...but still earn less than the men who've been on the job 3years less than me,do much,much less work,take on zero extra responsibility and I trained them but I do not have testicles nor penis. If that happened to you +David Holland,how would you feel?

  • @dw2253
    @dw2253 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    not so easy to achieve

  • @TheLivirus
    @TheLivirus 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The reason our salary is a sensitive issue isn't because of envy, it is because of the qualities we associate with salaries in our society. It is assumed that our salary is more or less proportional to our contribution to society as a product of our capability and effort. This means that a person earning less is often viewed as lazy, underachieving, and/or selfish. No one wants to be viewed as such, and no sensible person wants to expose coworkers as such.

  • @elliotglover5883
    @elliotglover5883 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    hi

  • @Mr.Coldfire421
    @Mr.Coldfire421 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am Spongebob Squarepants and I am working in Krabby Patty restaurant in Bikini Bottom owned by Mr. Krabs. I don't work for money I just love my job sometimes I even payed Mr. Krabs so that he will allow me to do an overtime.

  • @roidroid
    @roidroid 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks to everyone in the comments complaining that this video's talk about the gender pay gap triggered them.
    Clearly this is a video worth watching! Thanks!

  • @jasonalexander6417
    @jasonalexander6417 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have no idea how much I get paid

  • @MrMozez777
    @MrMozez777 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Which Government institution monitors Fair Pay? If you have more experience at your job than your piers BUT you are paid LESS than your peirs? Who do you call?

  • @coleweber1354
    @coleweber1354 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Now rewatch the video but everytime he says the word "paid" replace it with "laid" :)

  • @saxmanjpr5092
    @saxmanjpr5092 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Women being paid less than men?" Tell that to my female bosses I have had that refuse to pay me what they consider to be what I call "husband material!"

  • @josephang9927
    @josephang9927 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't remember how much I gain

  • @Mezalla12
    @Mezalla12 7 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    Yep, he lost all credibility once he brought the wage gap into it.

    • @61shirley
      @61shirley 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Josh White men and women make different life choices which aren't taken into account in the reports that show a wage gap. It's also illegal to pay a women less for the same roll

    • @Roper122
      @Roper122 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes it is illegal, and women are forced to exercise that law... which means it happens. Case closed.
      And no those " life choices " are not all that forces women to make the choices they make.

    • @Mezalla12
      @Mezalla12 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Roper122 I'm curious as to what you think is.

    • @Roper122
      @Roper122 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kecion AFC I'm curious as to what you think is an acceptable wage gap?
      What is a fair amount of unfair wage?
      Or do you think it doesn't exist at all?

    • @Mezalla12
      @Mezalla12 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Roper122 There is no "wage gap" it's an earnings gap.

  • @inf3
    @inf3 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    You get paid how much you accepted and negotiated. If 2 guys do the same job, guy A doesnt negotiate and receives 700€. Guy b negotiates and ends up receiving a 800€ wage. Should the guy a receive as much as the guy b?

  • @Ceronocero
    @Ceronocero 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't even know how much I make

  • @61shirley
    @61shirley 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Natural mammalian Instincts maybe?

  • @christinedavi
    @christinedavi 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    In the union we know how much people get paid. There are a lot of lazy people out there. I think I am being be back for when I was young because now I have to deal with people at the bottom. I get paid more than my caregiver's which seems ridiculous. I am paralyzed from the neck down and blind. Luckily I have been working for 10 years and I live in the Seattle area in my employer gave me a raise. It is not about how much you get paid it matters how much you work.

  • @jaskamattila4481
    @jaskamattila4481 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Lol arguement proven false at 4:40 when they start talking about the gender wage gap being true...

    • @jaskamattila4481
      @jaskamattila4481 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +BK yeah but why put that false information in there? Made me lose interest

    • @AholeAtheist
      @AholeAtheist 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      LOL. That doesn't disprove his argument at all. What a fucking idiot. Even if there is no wage gap, it doesn't influence the overall validity of his argument. Unfortunately he chose to flesh out his argument with contentious factors.

    • @jaskamattila4481
      @jaskamattila4481 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Josh White Aren't you a fanatic TedEd fan? The wage gap only exists even the slightest because women prefer to work shorter ours and take less paying Jobs, and to use it in this arguement was plain stupid as it suggests that women when thought their wage realtive to others, should switch their Job to a better paying one...

  • @majener5915
    @majener5915 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    You did give me more info about this topic, however the Tru tv series Adam ruins everything already discussed this. Come up with a new idea please.

  • @CREATACLASSES
    @CREATACLASSES 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The employees feel they win the game by hiding their salaries from coworkers that they are earning more....... But at the back of the curtain..... the company management is laughing at the fake pride of the employee......

  • @willismarsh44
    @willismarsh44 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    a little over 24k £ a year

  • @figa5567
    @figa5567 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Weak arguments make for a weak talk. Shame, I actually thought it was an interesting subject

  • @SeniorAdrian
    @SeniorAdrian 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The dislikes are coming from higher up positions in companies.

  • @CaptainVillanueva1
    @CaptainVillanueva1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I only make 50 cents more than the laborer yet have years and years of experience

    • @donmamon9263
      @donmamon9263 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s on the company for undercutting you. Also you need to take partial responsibility for your negotiation skills or lack there of.

    • @donmamon9263
      @donmamon9263 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      A different company is also likely to pay you at least 10-20 percent more for the same work. So, be prepared to leave.

  • @vaibhavgupta20
    @vaibhavgupta20 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    People who claim feminist should just get thick skin are themselves pretty thin skinned themselves when it comes to "wage gap".
    #triggered

  • @sasfa1
    @sasfa1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    thought video was great then it inputs the wage gap myth...

    • @Diana8Matienzo
      @Diana8Matienzo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I agree, but at the sane time the idea of pay transparency should put that to rest with the data being more easily available! 😃

  • @1293ST
    @1293ST 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm sure the empty space beside me gets paid more!

  • @ik04
    @ik04 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "The Institute For Women's Equality Research?" Oh yeah, that couldn't possibly produce biased statistics...

  • @Matdogg2k
    @Matdogg2k 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If my coworker gets paid more than me - I eat his lunch in the refrigerator

  • @josh3771
    @josh3771 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Open up the paybook and the women would find something else to feel discriminated once the realise 'gender gap' is BS.
    I don't care what other employees get, I know the industry going rate and can negotiate it as well as receive bonus if my work is higher then expected.

  • @noanoxan
    @noanoxan 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Disliked. Knowing what your co-workers make doesn't do jack except let you know how much your co-workers are paid. Their salary has nothing to do with how much you make, and thinking otherwise is naive at best.

  • @cach_dies
    @cach_dies 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can not be the only one who wonders what is this guys income. I do not know since he did not say.

    • @DaltonHBrown
      @DaltonHBrown 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      He is a professor at a school where tuition is 12K/semester. Thats the best I can tell you.

  • @mr.steady5498
    @mr.steady5498 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Kids. I'm fifth

  • @KaizokuKevin
    @KaizokuKevin 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I always wondered why it was taboo to ask some or inquire how much someone makes i really dont see the big deal and maybe then it would clear up the wage gap myth