This is the greatest podcast on the Indian space. It feels like an access to hidden knowledge. Every idea discussed here is worth pondering upon for hours. It's so different from anything available on Indian TH-cam.
The production of this show is so Epic. Reminds me of the early 90's. Imagine watching this episode with a Doordarshan logo on a 10" cathode ray tube television. I hope the adolescent, teens and young adults of today's times enjoy these conversations with the same enthusiasm as we did television in the 90's.
Fascinating! Amit's talk on Gandhi is a primer on the towering personalities involved in the freedom struggle. Great discussion indeed. I do agree with Mr. Ajay that events and personalities are contingent. Newton and Gandhi are products of the enabling conditions prevalent in their times. I read "The Ascent of Man" from the British Library. Later I purchased it at a footpath shop. Can you guess the price? It is Rs200/- ! As such that book is priceless. It is past 11.15 PM. Time to sleep. This talk kept me awake. Thanks. Waiting for next Friday.
Hi, I saw/heard your goodself and Ajay hold forth on Newton and MK Gandhi.I say the dialogue was intellectually stimulating and illuminating. I'm hooked onto it,it is addictive.Glad Ajay mentioned The Ascent of Man by J. Bronowski. His another,Yes I'm Intellectual' is my recommendation. Oh by the way,we like the jocular repartee you both close friends weave into the conversation,it is welcome. As in architectural structures,these light banters function like the reliefs . Keep it up.Thx. p.s: when Newton was the director of the Science office,his employees often complained and grumbled and called him a tyrant. He was too bossy. Can't believe. Do you want to comment on this? - Ravindra Jahagirdar .
Great going guys. Given the reality that most of us are confined to reading within the narrow confines of our little backyard well, listening to you'll and grasping perhaps the few but crucial ideas makes a huge difference to the way we see the world.
Another amazing episode. Newton and Gandhi both men of monumental impacts on the modern human civilization are also men of their times and circumstances, hindsight is a magical gift if used with genuine curiosity (which both these men epitomize (Amit and Ajay))
I never thought I would be interested in Newton. Until today. I could feel my brain expand when the discussion on Gandhi Ji was happening. I am so grateful to Ajay sir and this other gentleman there. Much gratitude. Also, a bit jealous of your friendship.
It is painful to see such great content is not being seen widely. Also, makes me feel am part of something really special. Like Mr. Vivek you have mentioned in the video , you both have been a master curator of intellectual content for many of us . Please continue to do what you do. “ In a gentle way, you can shake the world “ M.K. Gandhi. Godspeed!
*Podcast begins* - Me pausing the video to take a note of the books visible in the frame Seems like a new shelf of books featured in Everything is Everything is about to be created (right next to the TSATU shelf)
But great insight about Newton! But according to me if you read principal de Mathematica about how he arrived at the physical quantities, the "last of the magicians" makes perfect sense. Rational magic though. Birth of the Modern Era.
I listen to Amit’s The Seen and the Unseen. Most everyone of them are great. But I wish he stays away from bashing those who choose not to eat meat or are Vegan/Vegetarians. Generally, doesn’t add to the conversation. Hope he gets to see this message.
6:11 but class 9th science ncert says otherwise. It says that Kepler's third law helped Newton to come up with the inverse square law in the law of gravitation.
All 3 of Keplers laws mattered. Newton found that the law of gravity + calculus gave him the first principles proofs of all 3 Keplers laws and therefore he knew he was right. He published nothing. Many years later, I seem to remember, someone asked him , what will happen if there is an inverse squared law, what kind of motion would it generate. He said "an ellipse". This person was fascinated and said tell us more! Do you have the proofs! And that's how Principia was written. But still, no calculus in it. He kept that close to his chest.
Gandhi doesn't seem to be a black swan event at all. You should view him as a politician. On 6 April 1919, Gandhi had launched a Satyagraha against the Rowlatt Act. A week later, the Jallianwala Bagh massacre took place. Two days after that, the Gujranwala killings took place. A government doesn't slaughter its people, so it must be that the government is not theirs. Just imagine a situation like that today, or in 1989. The killings raised an alarm, an urgent need to overthrow the government through non-cooperation. Anyone in the Congress advocating for British rule had no grounds to stand. Churchill tried his best to hold Dyer accountable. Had he succeeded, the credibility of the British Empire may have remained alive. Those were the main points of discussion in 1919 and in the two sessions of 1920. The Khilafat movement was a side topic in the sessions. In Guha's book, The movement seems to overshadow other events. Perhaps due to the sheer number of events related to the movement in those years. The alliance with the Ali brothers was a master-stroke. Probably strategic, Gandhi's image of asceticism and renunciation made him popular with the Hindu elite. The Khilafat Movement was most likely aimed at making him popular with the Muslim elite. The movement could potentially ameliorate Hindu-Muslim conflict, which was one of Congress' main concerns. If you see Gandhi as a politician, it all makes sense. You are confusing yourself by trying to find a saint/philosopher in him.
Thanks guys for a great episode! Could you please talk about how you get so much time to read so many books? Don't you guys also have only 24 hours in a day?
I think there is a lot of randomness, and you are just picking the examples that suit your narrative. For example, the UK introduced capital punishment for homosexuality around Newton's era. There were public executions in London under the Buggery Act until 1831. The UK was pretty late to decriminalise homosexuality, more than 100 years after the Ottoman Empire and nearly 200 years after the French Revolution. How could an Alan Turing be born there? Finally, now that they've decriminalised it, can you really give them credit and make them the champions of the freedom project? Similarly, the cannabis laws in the UK are pretty draconian. The US, Canada, and Australia are much more progressive. Without Cannabis, we wouldn't have had Elon Musk :)
We should see this in the larger picture. The Renaissance was led by Italy. Sea faring people, Galileo, etc. The catholic Church fought back against the science. This was an essential element for the shift in leadership to the UK. The destruction of the Spanish Armada also helped. That's the Marxian view. Or maybe you want to say it's just great men? :-)
But what about the Mopla Massacre that followed the Khilafat movement? One event you wonder why spoken so less about.. Selective outrage existed then too. Jinnah must have been disappointed on two ends congress leadership and the absolute brutality which went on in Kerala
I differ from the fact that the British are decent. They decently massacred Indians, decently plundered our wealth, they left a few like Gandhi but tortured many in jails. They might have been less brutal than Aurangzeb or some barbarians. I differ that Bose's idea of fight is unbright.
This is the greatest podcast on the Indian space. It feels like an access to hidden knowledge. Every idea discussed here is worth pondering upon for hours. It's so different from anything available on Indian TH-cam.
Minutes 20-25 is Gold: free thinkers & Businesses, analogy. brilliant.
Finally, after a weeklong wait, my favorite thing on TH-cam dropped!!
+1! 😊😊
The production of this show is so Epic. Reminds me of the early 90's.
Imagine watching this episode with a Doordarshan logo on a 10" cathode ray tube television.
I hope the adolescent, teens and young adults of today's times enjoy these conversations with the same enthusiasm as we did television in the 90's.
i second that emotion :)
Fascinating! Amit's talk on Gandhi is a primer on the towering personalities involved in the freedom struggle. Great discussion indeed. I do agree with Mr. Ajay that events and personalities are contingent. Newton and Gandhi are products of the enabling conditions prevalent in their times. I read "The Ascent of Man" from the British Library. Later I purchased it at a footpath shop. Can you guess the price? It is Rs200/- ! As such that book is priceless.
It is past 11.15 PM. Time to sleep. This talk kept me awake.
Thanks. Waiting for next Friday.
Love the shoutout to White Crow! There was a clear vaccuum in Mumbai after Virat left Wayword & Wise
Ajay is in a flow🎉🎉❤ I am only 14 minutes into it & hooked😅
Ajay, as usual bringing the much needed nuance in our conversations.
So so good.
Ajay, your hope of Gems not falling by into the rut of coaching classes, is enormous.
Each episode is fabulous. Keep going I will always be there to listen and learn even though I am 66 and know quite a lot but this is special👍👍
Can we have an audio podcast version of these conversations?
Loving being a fly on the wall to these conversations.
Production value has increased soooo much in newer episodes, they're fun to watch too and not just listen
Hi, I saw/heard your goodself and Ajay hold forth on Newton and MK Gandhi.I say the dialogue was intellectually stimulating and illuminating. I'm hooked onto it,it is addictive.Glad Ajay mentioned The Ascent of Man by J. Bronowski. His another,Yes I'm Intellectual' is my recommendation. Oh by the way,we like the jocular repartee you both close friends weave into the conversation,it is welcome. As in architectural structures,these light banters function like the reliefs . Keep it up.Thx. p.s: when Newton was the director of the Science office,his employees often complained and grumbled and called him a tyrant. He was too bossy. Can't believe. Do you want to comment on this? - Ravindra Jahagirdar .
dream to be so articulate as these two guys! please keep this series gng!!
Wow! This is turning out extremely interesting. Waiting for Tagore and Keynes to unfold!
What a wonderful piece. Thank you.
Great going guys. Given the reality that most of us are confined to reading within the narrow confines of our little backyard well, listening to you'll and grasping perhaps the few but crucial ideas makes a huge difference to the way we see the world.
Another amazing episode. Newton and Gandhi both men of monumental impacts on the modern human civilization are also men of their times and circumstances, hindsight is a magical gift if used with genuine curiosity (which both these men epitomize (Amit and Ajay))
I never thought I would be interested in Newton. Until today.
I could feel my brain expand when the discussion on Gandhi Ji was happening. I am so grateful to Ajay sir and this other gentleman there. Much gratitude. Also, a bit jealous of your friendship.
When Newton was born, his mother says he could fit in a coffee mug. He died a celibate.
It is painful to see such great content is not being seen widely. Also, makes me feel am part of something really special. Like Mr. Vivek you have mentioned in the video , you both have been a master curator of intellectual content for many of us . Please continue to do what you do. “ In a gentle way, you can shake the world “ M.K. Gandhi. Godspeed!
Amazing closing by both amit and ajay about how we are 1 in millions🎉❤
*Podcast begins* - Me pausing the video to take a note of the books visible in the frame
Seems like a new shelf of books featured in Everything is Everything is about to be created (right next to the TSATU shelf)
Damn man.. It should have been 3-4hrs of podcast
I hope you are able to bring more and more guests to this podcast.
beautiful episode - and the show notes are of course a well of knowledge to get lost in.
Need a audio version of this
But great insight about Newton! But according to me if you read principal de Mathematica about how he arrived at the physical quantities, the "last of the magicians" makes perfect sense. Rational magic though. Birth of the Modern Era.
I had wondered if there was going to be something spoken on Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz. But no.
Would be great to have one episode on India's female freedom fighters as well.
Ajay I was making dalgona coffee and banging on plates during the pandemic. stop asking me to reinvent calculus 😂
Can you make this available as a podcast, so I can go on long walks listening to this with my phone screens locked.
I listen to Amit’s The Seen and the Unseen. Most everyone of them are great. But I wish he stays away from bashing those who choose not to eat meat or are Vegan/Vegetarians. Generally, doesn’t add to the conversation. Hope he gets to see this message.
Aah! First time, I see Ajay in kurta 😊
6:11 but class 9th science ncert says otherwise. It says that Kepler's third law helped Newton to come up with the inverse square law in the law of gravitation.
All 3 of Keplers laws mattered. Newton found that the law of gravity + calculus gave him the first principles proofs of all 3 Keplers laws and therefore he knew he was right.
He published nothing. Many years later, I seem to remember, someone asked him , what will happen if there is an inverse squared law, what kind of motion would it generate. He said "an ellipse". This person was fascinated and said tell us more! Do you have the proofs! And that's how Principia was written. But still, no calculus in it. He kept that close to his chest.
Gandhi doesn't seem to be a black swan event at all. You should view him as a politician.
On 6 April 1919, Gandhi had launched a Satyagraha against the Rowlatt Act. A week later, the Jallianwala Bagh massacre took place. Two days after that, the Gujranwala killings took place. A government doesn't slaughter its people, so it must be that the government is not theirs. Just imagine a situation like that today, or in 1989. The killings raised an alarm, an urgent need to overthrow the government through non-cooperation. Anyone in the Congress advocating for British rule had no grounds to stand.
Churchill tried his best to hold Dyer accountable. Had he succeeded, the credibility of the British Empire may have remained alive.
Those were the main points of discussion in 1919 and in the two sessions of 1920. The Khilafat movement was a side topic in the sessions. In Guha's book, The movement seems to overshadow other events. Perhaps due to the sheer number of events related to the movement in those years.
The alliance with the Ali brothers was a master-stroke. Probably strategic, Gandhi's image of asceticism and renunciation made him popular with the Hindu elite. The Khilafat Movement was most likely aimed at making him popular with the Muslim elite. The movement could potentially ameliorate Hindu-Muslim conflict, which was one of Congress' main concerns.
If you see Gandhi as a politician, it all makes sense. You are confusing yourself by trying to find a saint/philosopher in him.
Are those books selectively placed because they are fantastic recommendations.
Thanks guys for a great episode! Could you please talk about how you get so much time to read so many books? Don't you guys also have only 24 hours in a day?
By delegating all rudimentary stuff to juniors and paying them peanuts. Lol.
@@purbashapanda9132 😂
Ajay's mention of 'Ascent of Man' brought this poignant memory from BBC documentary of the book.
th-cam.com/video/ltjI3BXKBgY/w-d-xo.html
If it is nippy enough to wear a full sleeves shirt, isn’t it nippy enough to wear trousers ? What’s the science behind warm arms and cold feet? 😊
I think there is a lot of randomness, and you are just picking the examples that suit your narrative. For example, the UK introduced capital punishment for homosexuality around Newton's era. There were public executions in London under the Buggery Act until 1831. The UK was pretty late to decriminalise homosexuality, more than 100 years after the Ottoman Empire and nearly 200 years after the French Revolution. How could an Alan Turing be born there?
Finally, now that they've decriminalised it, can you really give them credit and make them the champions of the freedom project? Similarly, the cannabis laws in the UK are pretty draconian. The US, Canada, and Australia are much more progressive. Without Cannabis, we wouldn't have had Elon Musk :)
We should see this in the larger picture. The Renaissance was led by Italy. Sea faring people, Galileo, etc.
The catholic Church fought back against the science. This was an essential element for the shift in leadership to the UK. The destruction of the Spanish Armada also helped.
That's the Marxian view. Or maybe you want to say it's just great men? :-)
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But what about the Mopla Massacre that followed the Khilafat movement? One event you wonder why spoken so less about.. Selective outrage existed then too. Jinnah must have been disappointed on two ends congress leadership and the absolute brutality which went on in Kerala
I differ from the fact that the British are decent.
They decently massacred Indians, decently plundered our wealth, they left a few like Gandhi but tortured many in jails. They might have been less brutal than Aurangzeb or some barbarians. I differ that Bose's idea of fight is unbright.
I think They love anything thats capitalistic
Every episode, pure ideas. Grateful for everything, including all the links! 🫶