Undaunted: Normandy Review - Sharp as a Box of Bayonets
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"Worry a little bit. You're incompetent and men are dying."
Everyday Quinns, everyday..
M. Arx Darkest Dungeon in a nutshell
I read this as "Worry not, your incompetent men are dying."
"1st Sgt Lipton... you get things organized here, I'm gonna go for help."
Thanks for all the post review content - you taking time out to include this story is one of the many reasons I love SUSD.
Solidarity, friend. Don't try to take on the whole world at once, aim for consistency. We can make a difference if we all come together.
I came here for the review of Undaunted, a game I got last fall for our breaks. I will leave saluting your poignant criticism of the setting. I understand the designers played it safe here, but I hope this can change in the future. Fantastic work Quinn, proud to be a past donor to SUSD. /Flo
This honestly reminded me of a TGW segment. Cool to see you in these comments, Flo!
So there were Indians at Sword Beach ? I didnt know. Iknow the Indian forces played a huge role fighting alongside the Aussies in the Desert Campaign, and they fought the Japanese in India and Burma. Very cool. I will have to look that up.
There are many stories from non-American perspectives that deserve to be told, but I don't fault Americans for centering American soldiers' stories.
@@Contrapulator I do because they had the least risk within said war.
@@Contrapulator I dont get why people complain, just make your own damn game about your nation. Surprise people usually like themselves more than others.
You folks not only write good, exhaustive reviews, but excellent comedy and educational, meaningful background and critique as well. Kudos to you and the valuable material you produce.
Agreed.
SU&SD and No Pun Included are absolute gems. Sincere without being preachy and very, very funny.
I am from India. I love watching this channel and it was nice to hear Quinns mention Indians in World War 2.
That ending was really moving, thank you guys for such consistently great content ❤️
Excellent review Quinns, this seems like a really fun head to head game! I'd also like to just say, if you ever see this, that as an Irish man, it's very moving to hear an English man highlight some of the horrors that were caused by the British Empire. The Bengal famine was a tragic, and preventable, loss of life. The sacrifice given by the Indians who served in both WWI and WWII should never be forgotten, along with all of the volunteers from all other corners of the empire. I couldn't agree more about the completely unnecessary overblown-ness of Americas involvement in both world wars, and in a way I think this serves to glorify the military in America. If they had had the same loss of life as France, UK, the Soviet Union, Poland, Germany or really anywhere in Europe, I reckon there would be less D-Day themed games and media for us to consume.
Well done SU&SD, still pushing the envelope in terms of what a board game review can do. One very proud donator here 🤓
"You will have so many turns where you use a Machine Gunner and a Scout to roll a whole bunch of dice... and they all miss."
That's XCO- uhh, wait.
That's Undaunted: Normandy, baby!
That's Warhammer too, then the greenskins will roll 5 times a 6 in a row and everything will be destroyed on your side.
Been following you guys for years and strangely have only now found this particular video. Really taken aback - for me - the most significant commentary on modern board games and combat games I have ever seen. It opens up such an important debate about the content and nature of our games. Would love to see this addressed in the game industry… and dare I say it here - the video game industry and its annual AAA war gaming series who are the antithesis of everything you have raised here to be addressed.
Soldiers are people, they have names and they die and it's sad reminds me of Cannon Fodder computer game
I never did keep Jools and Jops alive.
Yeeeessss! Completely forgot about that game.
That game drove home its serious message with just the right amount of glee and happiness. They use the same tactics for recruiting at the WWI military did; It will be fun, it is an adventure.
But it is not fun, and death is very real, and even when they die, there will be other waiting in line, next to the war cemetery.
This is incredible. Amazing review as always, but what is truly incredible is your amazing compassion for the individuals who suffered as a result of the war. Thank you for shining a light on these lesser known but incredible events and people.
Fantastic review and an even better and important history lesson at the end, Quinns. That's why I love this channel!
What a beautiful thing you did in this review. Not only did you sell me on a game I would likely have overlooked. But you informed and educated in such a way, that managed to draw moisture from my dry cynical tear ducts. You are to be applauded.
Wasn't expecting that all. Really moved me. Amazing job guys!
Great history lesson, thanks for using your platform to speak for those who have been kept silent or ignored! 👍
Enjoyed the departure into the heavy and thought provoking, nice that it was saved until the end so it could be skipped, but, I didn't skip it. Well done, don't be afraid to explore that type of thing more often.
Thank you Quinns for a great review and I appreciate your closing comments -- very informative.
Excellent review and thanks for shedding light on portions of history that have unfortunately been kept under wraps. Keep it up!
Well well well The Quinn has spoken. Your acknowledgement of the Bengali soldiers is commendable. There are numerous war cemeteries in India, Bangladesh and around the world where their graves hold testament of their sacrifices. Applause.
Excellent review!
Undaunted: Normandy really deserves all the attention. Let's hope this SU&SD pushes sales through the roof… I hope Osprey Games releases a long line of standalone games (or expansions) for the Undaunted range. The combination of deck building and tactical map movement is excellent and really refreshing. There are so many great things you can do with this system when you think about what happened in WW2 or even other wars.
Appreciated your talking about the huge contributions and ill treatment of Indians during WWII. I only heard last year about Churchill’s role in the Bengal famine and had not known that the size of Indian troops in the war were so large. You add a lot of interesting depth to your reviews. I don’t always agree but I do learn a lot! Thanks!!
Really needs to be a way to give more than one thumbs up. Played first game of Undaunted Normandy today - great game and this review captures it perfectly. Also captures the forgotten corners of military history - thanks for bringing into focus Indian soldiers contributions to two world wars.
Gonna say it one more time,
The post script, mouth moneying at the end here is some genuine world bettering stuff Quinns. Kudos.
Excellent review - and made especially great with the history at the end. Thank you.
I actually bought both UNDAUNTED games, as I really wanted the North Africa version, but understood that Normandy was a more balanced game to start with.
My grandad served with the Libyan Arab Force, which went on to become the LRDG featured in the game. (Hence my wanting that version specifically)
Sir, this was the first ever video from you I was watching... and it won't be the last! Great job for making me want to play this game with a friend and making me want to grab one of my WW2 book once again, in the same video :-)
Just getting into this game and loved your review. Also as an American and former US soldier you are 100% spot-on in your perception of the narrative around WW2 being almost entirely focused on the US and UK often at the expense of our allies!
Well said. A beautifully composed review with a poignant and important finish. SUSD gets better every year.
Would love to see y'all do a review video on Dominant Species.
This is why I loved the Grizzled so much. A wargame that focuses on empathy and cooperation? More of that please.
My heart goes out to those fallen Heroes. Thank you for the reminder.
Good review and I do agree that there is a huge emphasis on the Normandy landings to the detriment to the other theatres of the Second World War. As a miniature wargamer, I also see a huge emphasis on the Normandy landings within miniatures games as well. Go to any wargaming convention and you will see no less than three games set in or after Operation Overlord on average. One thing that surprises people is that the Soviets took as many casualties in the first week of June 1944 than there were men landing on the beaches of Northern France.
I did like the end piece about the Indian involvement, but any historian of either the Second or First World War is in no doubt about the massive commitment and support that the Indian army gave the Allies. my own channel is currently examining the fall of Singapore and Malaya and the Indian involvement in that British defeat cannot be stated enough. There are plenty of modern historical studies of their role and that you (or anyone else) doesn't know about them, doesn't mean they don't exist.
As for Churchill writing history, Churchill wrote a history of both the World Wars and both are polemic and have been routinely demolished by academic historians time and again, almost from the day they were published.
I absolutely loved your history segment at the end. Churchill is given such a positive almost saint like status, his management of the Bengal famine is never discussed. But then again the history of the British empire is never taught in schools in lieu of the Tudor Royal family.
Great review and an important historical closing note. Well said Quinns.
Thank you Quinns for talking about India and the Bengal Famine. A huge part of WW2 that is brushed under the rug.
Fantastic review of a great game and such an awesome message at the end.
Excellent review and also message at the end! As an American it's taken lots of research and further education to realize our true role in world events. I would love to play a game that showed how diverse the world wars really were. It'd also be great if the manual at the least had footnotes as to why certain elements were included in the game for historical context.
There are many sad stories about WWII. For example Poles, who fought in almost every major campaign, from Norway to Northern Africa, helped defend England during battle of Britain, succeded where others couldn’t - see battle of Monte Cassino. And still ended up being sold to Stalin by the allies.
I had normally avoided war games in general but ended up picking this up on a whim. So good.
Brilliant! Your contextualizing of history (as told) vs history (as it happened) was enlightening and bold. I sit on such a terrible fence when it comes to war themed games. I imagine what it might feel like for a veteran to walk past a table of people making an entertainment out of something that was a horror to live through. On the other hand, the decision-making in a well-done war-themed game has qualities that are difficult to match in many other games. You brought still another wrinkle, the fact that so many of these games focus on arguably a narrow slice of World War II at the expense of other vital stories.
Thanks for that epilogue Quinns. Definitely some truths that needed telling
Wow! Never heard of this before, but sounds right up my alley! Thanks!
Love the discussion at the end reminded me of Paul's discussion about Freedom: The Underground Railroad.
Truly learned something in the bonus history lesson. Thank you.
As an American, I also think that popular culture tends to glorify the sacrifices that the winning side of any war overcame. While it's regrettable, that narrow view of world conflict is what sells and will most likely sell in the future (think Call of Duty, Battlefield, millions of books, a thousand movies and thousands of board games). What is an absolute fact is that there are brave men, women and even children in every war on each side and that whether they were good or bad is just a matter of their personal perspective. It's impossible to fight a war and think to yourself that you are the bad guy. Governments have (and will) get their people to believe that they are better than their enemy based on racial, economic and religious views time and time again. I truly wish more people could open a book or do a couple hours of research to see that war is something that should be avoided and not glorified over and over again. I know some wars are necessary, but far too often are people fed into the meat grinder that is war and what we are left with is questions and sorrow. Thanks for your review!
Amazing work Quinns. Thank you.
It's not related to how India helped the war effort, but I do want to bring attention to another badass (and fairly insane) soldier from Britain: "Mad Jack" Churchill.
This man went into battle with a longbow (unfortunately, no confirmed kills with this thing. There was a story going around that he did kill a German soldier with it, but Jack later debunked that, saying that his bow got destroyed earlier in the campaign), bagpipes, and a Scottish broadsword. He was known for saying "Any officer who goes into battle without his sword is improperly dressed."
One time, his entire squad was wiped out by a mortar (except for Jack, of course, who probably thought a light breeze was passing over him). When the Germans came to capture him they found him playing "Will Ye No Come Back Again?" on his bagpipes. He was captured because the Germans (mistakenly) thought he was related to Winston Churchill.
Jack then managed to escape the Germans... twice. Having been recaptured after his first escape. He then walked 93 miles to Italy, where he met Americans soldiers. He then attempted to rejoin the war effort, but by that point the Germans had been defeated, Italy was about to surrender, and by the time Jack made it to the pacific, the Americans had ended the war with the Atomic Bomb. Jack was reportedly outraged at no longer having a war to fight, saying "If it wasn't for those damned Yanks, we could have kept this war going for another 10 years!"
I’m an American who has lived with his grandmother his whole life. She is an amazing woman who is a highly distinguished history professor. When I was in 5th grade, I told her about my history class, and how we were learning about America in WW2, she said and I quote: “Oh fuck, what have they told you? That we were the turning point in the war? That we were singlehandedly responsible for victory? Tell your teacher to get stuffed.” When I went back to school, I talked to my classmates about How Britain and France and Russia were the main assets, and how America didn’t do much until the end, and I was laughed out. Glad to hear that other people know that America didn’t do much of anything. Plus, as a Jew, it’s fun to hear about American generals ordering concentration camps to be bombed.
Forgot to mention India, the absolute mad lads, good on them
Thanks Quinn. A wonderful review in terms describing the game play and the background of the game. I do not play war games because they tell a sad story of humans killing humans. Not monsters and fantasy. Real people. After this review I perhaps will try the game. To honour the men on both sides giving up their lives.
Great video. Great piece about the Indian solders. And, as an American... wait for it, I am also sick of Normandy. There are other battles, other nations, other stories to be told. And I think they should be. Well done.
He's criminally sour because someone loaded his stapler with with gummy bears. MICHAEL!!!
Thanks Quinn; great review and great job mentioning the Indians at the end of the video. Brave soldiers!
I suddenly got the urge to scream "HANNYMOOOOOORE!" I wonder why...
Over 12.3 million Americans participated in WW2. That's second only to the USSR at 12.5 million. England had 4.6 million soldiers at their peak strength.
Top 5 board game review. Thanks for the much needed history lesson. =)
this was an important and necessary point to make. Thank you for being so blatant about it, because the old allies need to hear it.
Yes! I love the shout-out to Combat Commander. I had been thinking through the whole review that this sounds a bit like Combat Commander, but simplified. As Quinns suggests, that game is fantastic, but the complexity is not for everyone. Personally, I love that game, but I will definitely be picking up Undaunted in order to play with friends who don't appreciate the simulation-level rules in Combat Commander or friends who don't have more than about an hour to get a game in.
Though the Normandy landings been used as a game setting so many times and their impact on the whole war is arguably over-blown, games set during the Normany invasion are unfortunately probably the easiest to sell. I'm just hoping that these first two Undaunted boxes do well and that they're able to release a wider range of scenarios in the future, using the same excellent system. Games like Combat Commander which have done well in the long run have historically been able to release add-ons which cover many different fronts during many different time periods, which not only feels fresh, but which also increases exposure to the importance of some events with which some people may be unfamiliar.
Thank you for the amazing conclusion and a life lesson
"Bob Benjamin and Paul Miller! What are you doing here???"
Excellent review, just ordered one.
To your point about the focus of games and media on American forces and D-day, I think it's simply a combination of it being the most "cinematic" day of the war, making it easy to turn into a game or a piece of media (however Dunkirk and Midway and Stalingrad would also apply to this fact), along with D-day being the most well known moment of the war. It's inarguable that anyone with even slight knowledge of the history of WWII is aware of D-day, but you do not have the same public awareness of moments like Dunkirk or the invasion of Sicily. While I do agree this is a failing of historical awareness, I don't feel it is right to blame designers and publishers on this fact, since their job is to appeal to as many customers as possible with their idea.
The best expansion you can get for any deck-building game is an automatic deck shuffler.
Aaaaaaaand this game is now sold out in Denmark in less than 2 days because of this review. o_0
Also great review. Had been thinking about getting it for a while, but this review pushed me over the edge.
The end of the video was great
Great stuff. Thank you for the ww tidbits at the end. Didn’t know anything about the Indians and this famine. Kudos from Belgium . ( yeah we also have some stuff in history that one would rather forget.. ). Subbed ! 😊
Ceberuss_YT Hey man, as a Canadian with Indian genes who is married to a Belgian, I’ve read a lot of Belgian history. You guys can’t beat yourself up for what Leopold did. He fooled the entire nation while using Congo as his personal treasure box. The Belgian government was very much against colonisation back then.
Also, thousands of Indians died in Flanders during WWI. I hope more Belgians realise that long forgotten Belgian-Indian connection.
P S ❤️👍
We need way more Soviet eastern front games (preferably without cheap “soviets are incompetent” tricks) and games about the Chinese, there are amazing stories about the PLA.
As for the Indians, I would prefer to celebrate my family fighting for independence or such. The Bengal famine was pretty on board for England after what they did to Ireland.
Why can’t there be more reviews like this? I’ve been playing board games for a long time (longer, I’m afraid, than Q has been alive), and I have know a lot of smart gamers. We tend to be history buffs. But we don’t always tend to be critical readers of history. Thanks for this.
Came to the comments looking to confirm that it was Wii music around 4:50. In I better finish the video apparently.
Wow. Fantastic. Just fantastic.
WOW, your best review yet. Strange it's that angle of real world history that gave it the edge. Personally, I've always disliked Churchill, and there were far more dodgy things he did during the war that contributed towards many deaths. But people tend to ignore that! I guess it's a better story, the hero that lead us to victory.
Thank you for the review, and especially the stories of the Indian volunteer army!
I'm a bit late to the party of this particular review, but bravo on the coda discussing the unsung Indian heroes of WW2. America has the same problem of white-washing our history (especially when it adversely affects Native Americans and Black Americans). You show a tremendous amount of class by acknowledging the heinous and overtly racist oversights your countrymen once committed against those Indian allies. Should I find myself in Britain, I will make a point to see that museum. Well done, Quinns.
Plus, the game looks kick-ass, too.
The history of India (including modern Pakistan and Bangladesh) in World War Two is quite interesting. The Muslim League supported the war, Congress wanted but was refused independence as the price of support, and a dissident Congress leader headed a pro-Axis Indian army. After the war the courts martial of the latter caused so much unrest in India that they were abandoned.
Subhas Chandra Bose is folk hero, statesmen and seen as something like a demigod in (certain parts of) India.
This is a fantastic review. I'm not interested in yet another deckbuilder with yet another WWII theme but this is the kind of quality video that should win an award or something.
Thank you for the history.
I appreciate the departure at the end of the review to tell some real world history, about how the "good guys" have painted themselves as heroic while completely ignoring how they were bailed out and then left their saviors to starve to death.
Real history isn't quite so heroic as the stories pop culture tells, is it? I think the whole D-Day thing is repeated over and over again because who wants to play a game where you spend most of it losing, right?
To be honest, departing from this "I always win" power fantasy has resulted in some of my greatest, most moving experiences.
Why is the Battlestar Galactica episode "33" such a good episode? Because the good guys are LOSING in spectacular fashion. Why is Pacific Rim my favorite Kaiju movie? Because humanity is losing the war. Why is a Bridge Too Far my fav WWII movie? Why is Dunkirk so powerful a film?
Victory requires a sacrifice. In real life we know this. When we see victory with no sacrifice it rings hollow because we know that wasn't courage and valor, that was luck, cheating, or hiding those who really did all the work.
So yes, the world could use more real stories. Maybe we could learn from them.
For what it's worth Axis and Allies usually starts with America having it's fleet devastated by Japan. And when we would play I was always Russia, pulling back, pulling back, pulling back until it's just every tank, plane, and man I have left after loss after loss after loss defending my capital against the Nazis. THOSE games were epic.
Very well done. Thank you sir.
Americans are naturally going to be more interested in the wars/battles that involve America. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with American and UK designed war games focusing on the stories they were most impacted by. Not to mention the fact that D Day was a very important and pivotal point in the war.
All that being said, I do appreciate your message about remembering the sacrifices of the people of India and every nation that fought. I only decided to type my comment to put into perspective why the content is like this.
Great review and absolutely wonderful you included a serious history mini lesson at the end 👍🏻
Thank you for the history lesson
great review, and thank you for the history lesson ~
thank you for the history lesson!
Damn, that toss onto the shelf. God damn.
Wow. Sobering and genuine. Definitely a departure of style. Not what I expected from a board game review, but something well deserved. Well done, Quinns and SU&SD.
Graham Gentz well said
More of this please. Good job.
The British engineered a famine that killed nearly 2.5 million people in India. But, when India appealed to Stalin for food, he sent it right over.
Soon after the transfer of power in 1947, India was faced with an alarming shortage of food grains. The Indian government urgently requested both the US and the USSR to send in food aid. While the American officials were working on the modalities for food grain aid--working out its terms and conditions, when the Indian request reached the Kremlin, USSR, Stalin immediately ordered a food-grain laden ship that was already on its way to a different destination to change course and go to India. A top Kremlin official intervened saying that documents were yet to be completed and signed, to which Stalin replied: "Documents can wait, hunger cannot."
Even today, people in Bengal name their children "Stalin".
@@stayphrosty amazing how many things I have no idea about, our history classes need to be updated pronto.
@@stayphrosty Churchill did a lot of messed up things, but what's your source for this story?
I don’t think I’ve ever been more proud to be a donator for this content than I am now. Amazing review.
When Quinns says he's closing out the review with 5 minutes left in the video you know shit's gonna get real.
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This is the first time I've ever written a yt comment even though I've been enjoying yt for half a decade. Your video made me want to thank you.
I feel like I'm fairly educated about WW2, more so than the average person, yet I didn't know about India's involvement.
It's always easier to conform to pre-existing narratives but you bucked that and mentioned an important but uncomfortable part of history that isn't being talked about and you did it in a board game review.
I'm more than happy to become your newest monthly donor and support such amazing and courageous content creation.
TH-cam? Or whitey? Works either way :)
Hear, hear.
You should also look into China they been fighting WW2 long before any of the allies starting in 1937, and held off the bulk of the Japanese Army. If they didn't WW2 in the Pacific may have turned out completely different as Japan exploits China of its resources and manpower.
Claims to be more educated about WW2 "than the average person" than says about knowing absolutely nothing about India's involvment.... GEEZ! U're an American don't you?
papasnejk87 yup. Americans think the war started when they came in 😂
I'm really glad you spent the time to give us that history lesson and remind us that the Allies were more than 3 countries. It may give you some hope to know that since 1950 Royal Military Academy Sandhurst has had a memorial room dedicated to Indian soldiers of the British army and cadets are required to meditate there and think on their sacrifice aswell as many ceremonies are held there.
It's refreshing. There tends to be a lot of pushback on the American narrative of WW II, but it tends to be "Actually, the British and Soviets ...", which is a very Eurocentric viewpoint. If you ask an American, they might say World War II began when Pearl Harbor was bombed. If you ask a Brit, they'll tell you it was when the British came to aid Poland. But let me ask: When do you think a Korean might tell you it started? Or the Chinese? It probably isn't going to be years after their own lands were occupied by, and people persecuted by the Axis powers.
@@JamesW6179 ww2 has an objective starting point, it starts with the invasion of Poland... Just because there were other wars going on before or at the same time as ww2 it doesn't mean their start was the start of ww2
@@phantom3969 What "objective" definition are you using?
@@JamesW6179 a bunch of declarations of war between major powers
@@phantom3969 So like 1933 then?
Great Review as always and thank you so much for spending the immense time you did on researching WW2 and actually visiting the India Gate.
I am an Indian and I genuinely never thought someone would take such interest in this topic and dig so deep to find out truth not just about the war but also about the famine and collateral damage because of world war 2 on Indian people.
Thank you so much. Appreciate your detailed work. Appreciate your admiration of the brave soldiers you mentioned. I'm grateful for your genuine interest and kind words.
As an American I agree, we need more history on the other participants of WW2.
Also agreed as an American. I'd love to see Japanese, Italian, French, The various force of the Commonwealth (British Empire), Hungarian, etc.
As a person with a Polish background I would love a game about the Warsaw Uprising or Polish resistance to show and teach people about these events. (In Canada it seems no one my age knows about it.)
@@Ageofpoland1997 Or the defense of Poland. Poland's strategic situation was untenable, Hitler to the west, Stalin to the east, and abandoned by the Allies. The Polish military put up an inspired defense in an impossible situation. Extra Credits did a multipart Extra History segment on it.
@@Ageofpoland1997 Agreed. I'm largely from Polish descent myself (my great grandpa Casimir fought in WW1, he was first generation American on that side of the family). I just want more Polish acknowledgement in WW2 games and other media in general.
@@Ageofpoland1997 "As a person with a Polish background I would love a game about the Warsaw Uprising or Polish resistance to show and teach people about these events."
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*7 days of Westerplatte* : boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/145103/7-days-westerplatte
Quote: _"The German battleship Schleswig-Holstein began the bombardment of the Polish Military Depot on September 1, 1939, at __04:48__. This symbolic event marks the_ _beginning of the Second World War. For seven days, the 235 defenders in the Polish forces bravely fought the overwhelming German army."_
First off, thank you for the history lesson, I was delighted to learn new, incredible, important things about a war I thought I knew so much about.
Secondly, can I just say it makes perfect sense thematically, that the bigger your decks become, the harder it is for you to get the right cards? It's equivalent to you having more people to command, so it's more difficult for you to issue orders to them reliably.
Also, when you keep looking for this one card but it's already out of the game and you didn't notice, that's like you trying to reach a soldier on the radio, but he's already dead, cold and alone somewhere, but you're not too sure if he's actually dead or you're just having trouble reaching him. But Tom's dead. He's been dead a while now, commander. Please stop saying his name, you're making his brother in the infirmary cry.
Man this game is just a feel-good romp of the century, huh?
I had the same thought. Being a Commander in a bunker when your only vision of the battlefield is conversations on a radio? The tried and true deck building with real stakes when things get added or removed. It's almost creepily well thought out
If you really want important information about WW2 that's generally looked over for propaganda reasons, America and Britain did about jack shit in the fight against the Nazis. The Soviet people were the true heroes of the European theater, taking the main brunt of the German assault as well as the entirety of their racism. The soviets had the most deaths and casualties of any of the involved groups, including the Jews. (Side note: early Soviet POWs were the test subjects for the Holocaust's industrialized murder centers). Even when the US and Britain did open a second front (which was after Russia had started winning against the Nazis), they weren't even fighting the main German army nor were they fighting the best troops Germany had. Most of those had been chewed up in Russia and what was left was trying to stop the Russian advance into Germany. There are a lot more details and anecdotes that you could look up, but I was just pointing out general facts that are almost always overlooked in western societies because God forbid we praise the communists.
And now you just sold me on the game 😄
@@Daye04 I'm trying to avoid those very words haha
@@pewpewpandas9203 But do not forget that Soviet also started the war. They had The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact with Germany. Germany attacted Poland on 01.09.39, Russians attacted on 17.09.39. Later when Germany attacted Russia, they were like "Oh no, lets join another side".
Poland fighted with German from the beginning on every fronts yet we were put under Soviet influence behind "Iron Curtain". Our forces were not allowed to join Victory Celebration because Soviet would be upset. So we were fighting on wining side from the beginning and we loose.
A New Zealander, we have a difficult historical relationship with Winston Churchill. Though he's remembered as a great wartime leader, and perhaps he was, he was also the one who ordered the Gallipoli Campaign in World War I, which killed more New Zealanders than any other war ever - and the campaign was a failure.
Churchill ordered the naval assault, but it was Kitchener and Ian Hamilton in charge of the subsequent land campaign that brought in the New Zealanders.
To be fair it's not like British lads weren't dying.....a lot
Hello, nice to see you here.
@@ElGrandoCaymano Yes but Churchill was in charge of organising it, and he botched it. This was not the time for it and Churchill’s bad handling of the campaign left far less troops and material for the landings.
Great review, but I really appreciated story time with Quins at the end. There are so many under appreciated stories through history that don't get the attention they deserve simply because they are incompatible with a particular narrative. Thank you Quins, and thank you Shut up and Sit Down.
How can we change that in the boardgaming world?
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There are great comments on the site saying that many countries are embarrassed of colonial service and don’t want to tell that story. They don’t want to remember putting on a British badge and fighting England’s wars. They don’t want to remember what little they got. And they don’t want to remember being forced to police their countrymen, fight people who looked like them (in World War One), or the pain of fighting Indians who defected to the other side. With all due respect this is more complicated than Quinn’s realizes.
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Thanks for the education about India's role in WWII, Quinns -- I really liked it!
"Don't worry. Well, do worry a little bit - you're incompetent, and men are dying."
I might have to get that on a mug.
As a lover of boardgames, a proud Brightonian and a History teacher, this is my probably favourite video on TH-cam.
Another quality video.
Great review! Especially liked the last several minutes of history lesson, context setting, and perspective that we, all, need to understand. With regard to different settings ... with Undaunted gaining more mainstream popularity there is opportunity for them to continue to expand and shed a light on other theaters, wars, and battle in or out of WW2.
"Bob is your grieving uncle" made me laugh harder than it should have
Being and American and a lover of History, I applaud your words! I started out very interested in WW2 simply because my father was at Pearl Harbor when it was attacked. He had some books, so I started reading about WW2. But I have found the whole D-Day thing rather boring, compared to the rich history of the North Africa campaigns and the Eastern Front. I have read many books about WW2 and have since expanded my interest in other time periods. But I want to agree with you about D-Day getting much of the focus. So many other choices and D-Day I suppose is the one of the more well known events that is perhaps a safe choice if aiming for mass appeal. At any rate, great video, and BRAVO!
Undaunted has a North African version now.
Eastlyn Burkholder interesting!
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Dice Tower's Tom Vassal reviewed it.
Eastlyn Burkholder of course he did! Lol. I will check it out! Probably not a good solo game, but I will still watch for sure...now, in fact
Total class act. 🖤 Came for the games, stayed for the friends, felt for the story.
❤️ Thank you.
Best review ever.
As someone who loves games this was a great review but assomeone who has spent years trying to share the less glamorous stories of history that don't make it to the movies this review was perfect. Thank you for the great video and the even more important message.
You guys are legit the best in the business from both a presentation and a writing standpoint. Bravo.