Good choice Freddie. I just got myself a Merlin Nomad jacket from Urban Rider, very happy, and will go well with that Interceptor that I picket up after our chat in Vilnius. Similar dilemma in regards to gear for my partner - Knox is also on my list as a possibly best solution. As for ByCity helmets, I have the Roadster. Looks great, and the lining is nice, but other than that - I regret it. After all, the main purpose of a helmet is to protect that brain of ours. The helmets from this brand will adhere to 22.05, but nothing more beyond that, and it's a very weak standard. Safety first. Looking at Arai and Shoei instead, they have attractive and safe options that also come with Pinlock and visors that won't leak. To that end, the Heron helmet you saw is actually on a similar level as ByCity. Cheers, stay warm and safe.
This is absolutely fascinating regarding the helmets, Roman- I read this with huge interest. Fantastic to hear from you and great to hear you rate the Merlin jacket- they have a lot of people praising them at the moment🖤 I’ll pin this comment as it’s very useful, and I’m sending you all my best in Lithuania🙂🇱🇹
@@FreddieDobbs Drop me a note when you come to visit again - we'll go for a ride or two. I'll show you the actually good coffee places ;) as well as a few nice roads.
That’s a little disappointing to hear - I spent £240 or so buying the carbon fibre version from Urban Rider when it was new. I would have hoped the safety was pretty good! Because otherwise it’s an extremely lightweight, comfortable and stylish helmet
@@93nicd Carbon is lighter, it's not safer by any means than a composite shell. The question here is how far do companies go to test and develop the helmets to actually be safe, rather than just adhere to an existing standard, most of which are extremely low. DOT is like wearing a plastic bag on your head. ECE 22.05 is a little better, but still very basic and involves essentially one scenario. Snell is.. for cars. FIM is thorough, but few helmets have it, and those that do are extremely expensive - it's a racing standard. 22.06 seems to improve things considerably over current ECE, but is so new, again, few helmets have it, it's not mandatory before 2024.
2:21 You lost me at “…Starbucks” mate. Do some basic research into that hideous coffee brand. Start by reading the ingredients list. No one in possession of the facts would EVER drink that stuff.
Agree Monika would be a good ambassador. Motorcycle brands do sponsor females, but it seems to be females who ride and have their own channel, e.g. Revitt sponsor Itchy Boots. They send her summer and winter gear. I think Usernamekate also has gear sent to her. Maybe the fact that Monika is mostly behind the camera is the reason why she is not being sent gear !!! It would be great to see more of Monika and, as a lady rider, I'd be very interested in seeing her trying out gear !!!
For some reason i really love this channel.. i can't exactly figure out the reason behind it but i think it might be your personality, your love for classic bikes and your dressing sense. It aligns with my personality. Whenever I'm feeling a bit low ,I come here and Imagine myself in your shoes, makes me feel better.
I'm a big fan of urban rider, I'm up in Manchester and we don't have anything like them up here. The service you get from them is amazing, quick delivery and a printed sticker in the box should you decide you're not keen on the item and want to send it back. A good rewards scheme too. Lovely to see a company doing customer service the right way these days! 👍
Totally agree with you (even though you're on the wrong side of the Pennines 😉). Just bought a helmet from them on Web - can't fault 'em. A northern branch would be nice though...
Hi Freddie, Take a look at the rating system below. Classification AAA: The highest level, with the machine spinning at 707.4rpm (the velocity of the sample holder being equivalent to 120km/h) in Zone 1, at 442.1rpm (equivalent to about 75km/h) in Zone 2 and at 265.3rpm (equivalent to around 45km/h) in Zone 3. Classification AA: More suited to touring gear, this specifies Zone 1 at 412.6rpm, 265.3rpm in Zone 2 and 147.4rpm (the equivalent of around 25kmh) in Zone 3. Classification A: Deemed suitable for urban riding, with Zone 1 requiring 265.3 rpm and 147.4rpm in Zone 2. There’s no requirement for abrasion resistance in Zone 3 materials. An "A" rated jacket's Zone 1 speed is only as high as Zone 3 on an AAA garment, which is equivalent to 45kmh (28mph). Google "diagram for zoning of motorcycle protective wear" for clarification on where the zones are on the garment. "A" rated garments are recommended for "Urban" riding, speeds up to 45kmh (28mph)? Riding at significantly higher speeds would not be advisable. Aesthetics and maximum comfort must give way to being safe first on a motorcycle.
References to speeds were dropped from EN 17092 prior to publication because they are the abrasion test apparatus settings and not a ‘guarantee’ of protective capabilities in real world scenarios. Combined with this is the fact that the EN 17092 uses a surface comparable with the smoother asphalt and concrete road surfaces common in Europe, and not the 4.5x more abrasive surface-dressed roads which riders will encounter in the UK. At face value, AAA level appears adequate for use at all road legal speeds (and for some AAA garments this is true); however, tests conducted by MotoCAP,, which independently purchases and tests motorcycle clothing, reveal that garments have passed AAA requirements at a relative abrasion resistance of 1.4 seconds, not the 4 second equivalence with 120 kph promoted by some brands. The bottom line is that not all AAA garments are equal, and some may only be capable of providing adequate protection at urban speeds. Marketing claims that thin, lightweight textile gear at AAA class is in some way comparable with racing leathers which will be crashed in at well in excess of a ‘true’ 120 kph should be viewed with intense scepticism.
@@mrflores7708 : Potentially, possibly, probably: yes. It is currently unclear if there is overlap between A with AA, and AA with AAA. Even the authors of EN 17092 viewed Class A as suitable for scooter riders commuting in Rome in summer, for example. Making progress down a surface-dressed UK country route requires something more substantial between rider and road. The pass/fail abrasion test method in EN 17092 conceals the true capabilities of materials as it does not deliver a numerical result (the duration of test and distance to stop figures which are also generated by the apparatus do not form part of the determining result, but are calibration checks on the apparatus that are being misleadingly promoted to consumers by some brands as providing evidence of capability). To try to understand this, data-mining of the MotoCAP results for EN 17092-conforming garments is under way and should be available to share in due course.
Great job, Freddie and Monica. Great teamwork too. May I also remind y'all to not overlook an accessory that many riders will overlook: proper riding gloves that save the hands from road rash. Very often, the first part of your body to make contact with the ground are your hands. Kevlar and/or leather gloves are the best protectors for your hands, I have found from personal experience. Happy trails, y'all.
Been there years ago with FT oxfords you pay 4 what u get - I got coloured hands from wet FT gloves - rather save and buy gear that last eg Rukka, Belstaff, held gold top wait for sales u get 30%? Off
I did it all wrong! I own 20 jackets and 20 pants, 5 helmets, 30 gloves and a bunch of other things. Very happy she found something she loves. That's you, not the jacket!
Congratulations Monika on finding the perfect gear. Under armour style has a lot to recommend it from the standpoint of flexibility, as you’ve explained. I’ve seriously considered adopting that style for myself, as long as it provides adequate safety protection. Cheers to you both and safe riding. Dan. ✌️🏍🇨🇦
I grew up in Fulham and took my mum to see a pink vespa in a bike shop on King's Road in the late 80s. I didn't get the vespa, but I did start riding as soon as I left home. Thank you for the nostalgia. Ride safe, Lady J Rider
I got the Knox utility armour for Christmas, highly recommend. Really opens up the jacket choice as you can wear normal Belstaffs and Barbours over the top 👌
Finally, bless her heart the young Lady shines. Love the trip through London. The Harley stop was a surprise, as I pause and look over with freeze frame. Another car next video? Another relaxing video thanks.
Hi Freddie, that looked like one of Evil Knievel's Harley stunt bikes in the Warrs dealership. The one with the stars and stripes and silver metalflake paint. Its kind of poignant as Evils son Robbie passed away last week on the 13th of January. He followed in his father's footsteps and a record breaking daredevil. RIP Robbie.
Thoroughly enjoying your work Freddie. I'm rather older than you and have been riding since I left school. It always makes me laugh when you see something for the first time that for me has always been so...i.e. Warrs (I have purchased two machines from them in the past with no hassle and they were decent to deal with), or polishing materials and the list goes on 🙂 It's so good to see new enthusiasts coming to the wonderful world of motorcycling. Long may you continue.
I do believe you may have sorted out my wife's predicament! Years of indecision may have come to an end!! Now, just got to get to London from Gold Coast Australia as You are right....nothing equals the ability to try on! Oh, not to mention I might have seen a few items I'd like to add to my wardrobe too!! Thanks Freddie...you are going to cost me a fortune!! Can't believe Companies do not think about sending gear for Monica. They are missing out on an ever growing slice of the market! Keep up the great work.
Had a meltdown this morning when I came across your review for Urban Rider. I've been a big fan of theirs for a while, and recently found your channel, which has rapidly become one of my favourite review channels. Thoroughly enjoyed this review. Glad Monika eventually got what she wanted..... Happy wife, happy life! Keep up the good work both of you.
I lived around the corner from Fred Warrs in 1984. It was just a small shop then. Called there in 2019 on my rough v strom on way to Bike Shed. Very different!
Great vid, ... what a dilemma, I'd feel like you Freddie, Monika definitely deserves the very best. ❤️ to u both ❤️👍🌟🌟 Ps, thanks for sharing the choices of fantastic motorcycle clothing 👍
Comes to something when one chooses fashion over function..... "Dress for the slide not the ride...." But something is better than nothing when it comes to protection..... Stay safe 🙏
Very enjoyable video, you almost convinced me that the A12 is a wonderful road! I'm pleased you gave Monika the time and support to get something good. Looks like a very good choice for her. I hope she's happy with that uncomfortable seat arrangement now :) Wow, what an excellent shop, I need to keep my credit card away from there. Thanks for another brilliant TH-cam video.
always wondered about going to urban rider and of course where to go for a posh coffee afterwards so thankyou for answering both questions - love these vids
I feel like I need to make something clear I haven’t commented on your films for a long time It’s not until you have a serious off that you realise that you should always have the most protective gear you can get You don’t need it until you need it , and then it’s too late Kind regards Justin
Love this shop. They've nailed the modern classic scene and it's great that there's something for all budgets. Glad the 4+ hour round trip was worth it. Nothing worse than coming back empty handed. That armour looks great. I bumped into some guys in Spain, doing trail riding on an Rninet scrambler. He was wearing under armour and a very fancy looking Barbour jacket over the top. I'd definitely consider it next time.
I have learned keeping management Happy on the bike translates into and exponentially happier ride/tour together. Money well spent. Safe, happy travels 👍
Excellent video Freddie and great reviews! Fabulous selection on the jacket and I definitely agree with the reasoning and thought process behind the decision - if it's comfortable then she'll certainly want to go riding more often! I did catch the "we'll be in a different vehicle next video"! Does that mean you FINALLY bought a Land Rover DEFENDER?!!! Oh the suspense ... LOL! Thanks as always Freddie and Monica - Safe Travels and God Bless! 👍👍👍
I grew up in the UK but currently live in Canada so I laughed when you said it was absolutely bitter . . .2 degrees . . . that is barbeque and speedo weather in Canada 😂.
Top Vid Freddie and Monika , I do really like the gear what Urban rider do , especially the Merlin stuff ,I have the Merlin Minworth heated gloves amazing in colder weather , nice to know their customer service is as good as the products they stock , keep up the great content guys 😁
I’m speechless. I initially wondered what you’re talking about… and now I remember you’re absolutely right! I’m off to have a stern word with Monika (and myself too- for my very short memory!)😆
Great vlog as usual both, 18 months ago I bought a helmet from Urban Rider on line, it was a 'DMD VINTAGE HELMET - SUNSET' that they still sell today , really pleased with how they handled the order, very professional.
Great video as usual, I live 10min walk from Urban Rider and I pop into both Warrs and Urban Ryder on a weekly basis, Wandsworth Shopping Centre would have been closer from where you were parked to go to and less traffic than driving up to Westfield.
Never bankrupt, made for life.. You touched on a couple as you left Warr's, but still missed that Lucifer's Hammer (there's a lot to take in there though). Don't settle for the copies, Bell Moto - and either Halcyon Mark 9 or Silver Cross for goggles (then you'll be be needing a tricked out Kwacka Z1 .. oh.. and a meat cleaver 🙂). Another great trip out and worthy round up of essential products, kudos. Ah yeah, those Roeg Chase helmets do look a lot like the Biltwell Gringo and do come through the same supplier.
Hi Freddie, like the tour of Urban Rider. Be interesting to see how Monika gets on with the Knox riding shirt. Shoei helmet is an ex zero. Lovely helmet! Merlin do a great summer ( remember that) mesh jacket. Cheers
Thanks for the heads up Pete. I think (hope!) Monika’s now sorted for all seasons, although a nice vintage style jacket would potentially interest her, I think🙂
Monika looks happy, great job Freddie 👍 I'm just looking at those By City helmets, for me they are top end 😁 but from Motocard who are in Spain, the model you looked at is £105 at the moment from them and you don't pay import charges on safety equipment. I've bought a few things from them now. Just try one one on over here then order it cheaper direct. Looking forward to the next video as always.
Hi. I was particularly interested in the search you did to find a coat for Monika. As a lady rider we have significant problems finding good well fitting gear. Recently I found a British company called Ruroc and have bought a leather and a textile jacket from them. They are design lead and their jackets are excellent quality and design for both men and women. I wear my textile jacket all the time and have had several compliments from young men on the jacket! I can wear a fleece under it or a big jumper and it does not look bulky. Just take a look at their website they have very interesting gear. The detail is excellent, the quality is excellent and they are from Gloucester. 👍
I did the back and forth buy and return recently on jeans and other gear and wow, it was super expensive - rolling thousands of dollars. I don’t have access to a great shop like this. I ended up with Rokker AAA jeans and I am over the top impressed. The material feels breathable but bulletproof, and cut like a 501 Levi with button fly. it’s the perfect jean imo, maybe even off the bike. But, I think the under armor idea is really interesting to save on specialized and seasonal gear. Thanks for the tour!
That Knox jackets are very comfortable . I got one for me and one for my wife, they are superb to wear but the downside is that it becomes “old” very fast. The fabric becomes glossy in the middle front area and I’m afraid they could be better finished as you’ll find after some daily use. Although the design is fantastic and the comfort is of high level. 👌🏻
Tiny shop isn’t it guys. Well presented, offering most of their lines on display but the majority of stock is warehoused and mail order. Call before you travel to check your particular item is available to try and in your size.
Hi Freddie, Fred Warrs were originally based in Greenwich town centre within sight of the Cutty Sark, they moved to Fulham in the 80s. The original shop is now a coffee house.
I have the KNOX Urbane Pro under armour jacket and trousers. The trousers ride up and the knee pads end up on your thigh. I would recommend adding foot loops to keep the trouser in place if you go for a pair. To reduce the profile even more I added D3O Ghost armour to the shoulders and elbows. I like to ride with a hoody on when I am on my cruiser and the KNOX means I can choose a selection of hoodies to wear. I still tend to wear motorcycle jeans however.
I’ve seen some with loops, maybe a different brand? I’m struggling to find a pair of armoured combats that I like and am now considering the Knox trousers.
Good choice, Monika. I grabbed a Knox Armoured shirt a few years ago - after reading about them in a BikeEXIF article - and in preparation for a Gentleman's Ride. So, first outing: under a collared shirt & tie, and wearing a waistcoat. Later found that it also fitted perfectly under my 'vintage' (pre-armour era) leather jacket - result! Since, I have worn it just under a big baggy t-shirt, a hoodie, even a zipped regular 'walking' jacket. The Knox shirt has a surprising 'thermal' quality - but I have, on occasion, slipped a thin merino layer on, then the armoured shirt, and then a jacket over that. Well happy - a complete game-changer for me. So much so that I later tried to achieve the same result with armoured pants, but (sadly) these just didn't work as well as the shirt for me - the concept is equally great; they fit under loose, heavy trousers, dress trousers/chinos (Gentleman's ride), denims, etc. and are (as you say) very low profile, but I personally find that the armour 'wanders around' in use - but hey! it could just be my knobbly knees (o: Hope it's 'game changing' gear for Monika, too.
I wear a Barbour International like yours over a mesh armored jacket in cooler weather and just the mesh when it’s warmer. The mesh provides insulation.
Freddie, was looking for a stylish leather jacket and after seeing your vlog on Monica’s plight on finding a suitable riding jacket and your subsequent trip to Urban Rider, I have just purchased a black leather Merlin Wishaw Signature jacket at an absolutely brilliant price from Urban Rider, online . Thanks for the heads-up!
Urban Rider is for those that spend much more time hanging around coffee shops than actually riding a bike. Although to be fair when you do spend SO MUCH worrying if you are still on trend, there is not much time left to ride.
Harley dealers are great places. I bought a new Buell Ulysses from one in 2008. Great bike. Merlin over overpriced Belstaff any day. That Spanish helmet looked a good deal. No visor, though.
Look at Moto Girl, the ribbed leggings in black with hip protectors. Highly recommend you check them out they are awesome, my wife is a petite 8 and she looks amazing in these plus u can wear them when u are not riding. Plus she wears Under Armour and has the Revit Zena Jacket and pants for serious rides. Nice report 🙂👍🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
In America I think harely Davidson has the most stunning and impressive dealerships. Wether it be the location or architecture they always stand out in their environment.
It's interesting to hear folks from the UK say or call things "KIT". For an American when we hear that we think of a whole kit/package/outfit. Wow that top looks more like a workout top than a moto top. I'm actually glad Europe has standards and ratings with safety gear. The US not so much of anything except DOT helmets. Since these standards, moto safety gear has gotten much safer due to being required to be tested and pass unlike a couple decades ago.
What do you think is better for hot climates weather? The Knox A rated Action shirt (lighter but as breathable) or the Knox AA rated Urbane Pro (heavier but more breathable)? I own the previous verison of Knox Urbane Pro Shirt (A rated) but it's thick and I sweat in it during summer. I can't wear over it knits only hoodies or big jackets. Will the new Action Shirt be better?
@@yardenl1998 I would go for the lighter version of the Urbane Pro for summer riding. You could probably use an armored hoodie with it during colder weather, but with the armor removed.
The Rokker Company AG is a Swiss company (I think from one of the German cantons) not Portuguese. But it seems that they manufacture their products (maybe all or some) in Portugal.
I'm thinking of getting a heated vest but the entire kit (battery and vest) is £200. Too much for what would be six weeks of riding in the Algarve. Still, it's bloody freezing here now, full on winter. Time for layers, lots of them.
Beige? BEIGE? That's not beige that's Gloss Antique White. Now go and sit on the naughty step for half an hour Dobbs and repeat after me "it's not beige". Lovely video as always, Urban Rider is my local which makes life easy to get good gear even if the temptation is almost too much to resist. Good call on the Knox gear I picked up an Urbane Pro jacket (at Urban Rider of course) which I'll use any time of year varying what I wear over the top from a shirt to a deliciously battered Barbour International I picked up in Oxfam. And their Richmond jeans are THE MOST COMFORTABLE jeans I've ever worn, thanks to their stretch denim. They're so comfy I'll wear them day in day out whether I'm riding or not especially this time of year when the full Kevlar liner keeps me nice and toasty. Urban Rider may not be the cheapest but they know their stuff, make great TH-cam reviews of all their products and their dedication to measuring every piece of gear they sell themselves so buyers know the real sizing is spot on.
You go in there, you want one, you go bankrupt. Lol. Haven’t you figured out Freddie there counting on that. You know HD stands for “high dollar”. There was some really nice old high dollar bikes on display. That green army one is a WLA 45 flathead. With a Thompson machine gun leather holster. I’ve heard of Warr,s HD. They have a big history over there in England. Glad Monica got some gear. I hope she got some warm long johns to. Have you ever looked into you or her getting a Schott brand leather jacket. If you had that you wouldn’t need any under armor. They’ve been made in NYC for over 100 years. I got my first one at 16. I’m 55 and on the third one now, only because the second got to small. Or maybe I got to big. 😆
As a Triumph rider in the US I am so jealous of having access to a shop like Urban Rider even two hours away. I wind up buying brands like Merlin or even my Shoei glamster online from European shops…waiting for weeks and hoping the fit is right as the return shipping costs are often outrageous
Have you ever visited a branch of Sportsbike Ltd? They have a great selection of clothing, accessories etc to cater for all budgets. They also provide a next day delivery service via DPD and collections if necessary and also offer a 365 day return policy. Their prices are competitive and I believe they also offer a price match promise. 👍
Wish they had that store in the US. Just recently have gotton and nice Merlin Jacket and a Pair of Merlin high boots from Urban Rider. And believe it or not it's quite a bit cheeper even with shipping to the us then from a dealer in the US with free shipping.
Good choice Freddie. I just got myself a Merlin Nomad jacket from Urban Rider, very happy, and will go well with that Interceptor that I picket up after our chat in Vilnius. Similar dilemma in regards to gear for my partner - Knox is also on my list as a possibly best solution.
As for ByCity helmets, I have the Roadster. Looks great, and the lining is nice, but other than that - I regret it. After all, the main purpose of a helmet is to protect that brain of ours. The helmets from this brand will adhere to 22.05, but nothing more beyond that, and it's a very weak standard. Safety first. Looking at Arai and Shoei instead, they have attractive and safe options that also come with Pinlock and visors that won't leak. To that end, the Heron helmet you saw is actually on a similar level as ByCity.
Cheers, stay warm and safe.
This is absolutely fascinating regarding the helmets, Roman- I read this with huge interest.
Fantastic to hear from you and great to hear you rate the Merlin jacket- they have a lot of people praising them at the moment🖤
I’ll pin this comment as it’s very useful, and I’m sending you all my best in Lithuania🙂🇱🇹
@@FreddieDobbs Drop me a note when you come to visit again - we'll go for a ride or two. I'll show you the actually good coffee places ;) as well as a few nice roads.
That’s a little disappointing to hear - I spent £240 or so buying the carbon fibre version from Urban Rider when it was new. I would have hoped the safety was pretty good! Because otherwise it’s an extremely lightweight, comfortable and stylish helmet
@@93nicd Carbon is lighter, it's not safer by any means than a composite shell. The question here is how far do companies go to test and develop the helmets to actually be safe, rather than just adhere to an existing standard, most of which are extremely low. DOT is like wearing a plastic bag on your head. ECE 22.05 is a little better, but still very basic and involves essentially one scenario. Snell is.. for cars. FIM is thorough, but few helmets have it, and those that do are extremely expensive - it's a racing standard. 22.06 seems to improve things considerably over current ECE, but is so new, again, few helmets have it, it's not mandatory before 2024.
2:21 You lost me at “…Starbucks” mate. Do some basic research into that hideous coffee brand. Start by reading the ingredients list. No one in possession of the facts would EVER drink that stuff.
I think a lot of companies are missing out by not sending gear for Monika to try out.
Thank you Nick🙂
Easy tiger...🐯
@@jedw9983 Hahahahahaha..
Exactly! It's rather short sited really :(. There's loads of cool stuff for women and Monica would make a great ambassador for any of these brands.
Agree Monika would be a good ambassador. Motorcycle brands do sponsor females, but it seems to be females who ride and have their own channel, e.g. Revitt sponsor Itchy Boots. They send her summer and winter gear. I think Usernamekate also has gear sent to her. Maybe the fact that Monika is mostly behind the camera is the reason why she is not being sent gear !!! It would be great to see more of Monika and, as a lady rider, I'd be very interested in seeing her trying out gear !!!
An interview with Monika please. We know every possible thing about you by now Freddie!!!!
For some reason i really love this channel.. i can't exactly figure out the reason behind it but i think it might be your personality, your love for classic bikes and your dressing sense. It aligns with my personality. Whenever I'm feeling a bit low ,I come here and Imagine myself in your shoes, makes me feel better.
That was fun! I’m glad Monika found what she was looking for. And thanks for showing more Monika. The internet gets better whenever she’s on it😊
I'm a big fan of urban rider, I'm up in Manchester and we don't have anything like them up here. The service you get from them is amazing, quick delivery and a printed sticker in the box should you decide you're not keen on the item and want to send it back. A good rewards scheme too. Lovely to see a company doing customer service the right way these days! 👍
Totally agree with you (even though you're on the wrong side of the Pennines 😉). Just bought a helmet from them on Web - can't fault 'em.
A northern branch would be nice though...
Totally agree. I saw the returns setup they have- incredibly straight forward👌🏻
Hi Freddie,
Take a look at the rating system below.
Classification AAA: The highest level, with the machine spinning at 707.4rpm (the velocity of the sample holder being equivalent to 120km/h) in Zone 1, at 442.1rpm (equivalent to about 75km/h) in Zone 2 and at 265.3rpm (equivalent to around 45km/h) in Zone 3.
Classification AA: More suited to touring gear, this specifies Zone 1 at 412.6rpm, 265.3rpm in Zone 2 and 147.4rpm (the equivalent of around 25kmh) in Zone 3.
Classification A: Deemed suitable for urban riding, with Zone 1 requiring 265.3 rpm and 147.4rpm in Zone 2. There’s no requirement for abrasion resistance in Zone 3 materials.
An "A" rated jacket's Zone 1 speed is only as high as Zone 3 on an AAA garment, which is equivalent to 45kmh (28mph).
Google "diagram for zoning of motorcycle protective wear" for clarification on where the zones are on the garment.
"A" rated garments are recommended for "Urban" riding, speeds up to 45kmh (28mph)?
Riding at significantly higher speeds would not be advisable. Aesthetics and maximum comfort must give way to being safe first on a motorcycle.
References to speeds were dropped from EN 17092 prior to publication because they are the abrasion test apparatus settings and not a ‘guarantee’ of protective capabilities in real world scenarios. Combined with this is the fact that the EN 17092 uses a surface comparable with the smoother asphalt and concrete road surfaces common in Europe, and not the 4.5x more abrasive surface-dressed roads which riders will encounter in the UK.
At face value, AAA level appears adequate for use at all road legal speeds (and for some AAA garments this is true); however, tests conducted by MotoCAP,, which independently purchases and tests motorcycle clothing, reveal that garments have passed AAA requirements at a relative abrasion resistance of 1.4 seconds, not the 4 second equivalence with 120 kph promoted by some brands.
The bottom line is that not all AAA garments are equal, and some may only be capable of providing adequate protection at urban speeds. Marketing claims that thin, lightweight textile gear at AAA class is in some way comparable with racing leathers which will be crashed in at well in excess of a ‘true’ 120 kph should be viewed with intense scepticism.
@paulvarnsverry11
So if AAA is as you say, then "A" will be even worse.
@@mrflores7708 : Potentially, possibly, probably: yes. It is currently unclear if there is overlap between A with AA, and AA with AAA. Even the authors of EN 17092 viewed Class A as suitable for scooter riders commuting in Rome in summer, for example. Making progress down a surface-dressed UK country route requires something more substantial between rider and road.
The pass/fail abrasion test method in EN 17092 conceals the true capabilities of materials as it does not deliver a numerical result (the duration of test and distance to stop figures which are also generated by the apparatus do not form part of the determining result, but are calibration checks on the apparatus that are being misleadingly promoted to consumers by some brands as providing evidence of capability). To try to understand this, data-mining of the MotoCAP results for EN 17092-conforming garments is under way and should be available to share in due course.
Freddie, my wife and I love your channel. We ride motorcycles, and we drink coffee, brilliant.
Great job, Freddie and Monica. Great teamwork too. May I also remind y'all to not overlook an accessory that many riders will overlook: proper riding gloves that save the hands from road rash. Very often, the first part of your body to make contact with the ground are your hands. Kevlar and/or leather gloves are the best protectors for your hands, I have found from personal experience. Happy trails, y'all.
A very good point and thank you for highlighting this!🙂
Cool shop with my bike in the window! I love shopping with Freddie and Monica
Back in the real world, I'm off to J&S to get cheap and cheerful winter clobber 😄
We visited a J&S too and VERY nearly bought a Frank Thomas jacket🙂👌🏻
@@FreddieDobbs Frank's been good to me over the years but went with an Oxford this time. Let's hope Monika feels warm and safe now 👍
Been there years ago with FT oxfords you pay 4 what u get - I got coloured hands from wet FT gloves - rather save and buy gear that last eg Rukka, Belstaff, held gold top wait for sales u get 30%? Off
The best biker couple on TH-cam! Let’s go 🇬🇧
Awesome video and awesome content can’t wait for the next video Thank’s Freddie and Monika
I did it all wrong! I own 20 jackets and 20 pants, 5 helmets, 30 gloves and a bunch of other things. Very happy she found something she loves. That's you, not the jacket!
Congratulations Monika on finding the perfect gear. Under armour style has a lot to recommend it from the standpoint of flexibility, as you’ve explained. I’ve seriously considered adopting that style for myself, as long as it provides adequate safety protection. Cheers to you both and safe riding. Dan. ✌️🏍🇨🇦
Nice one Freddie glad Monica got her gear sorted....
I grew up in Fulham and took my mum to see a pink vespa in a bike shop on King's Road in the late 80s. I didn't get the vespa, but I did start riding as soon as I left home.
Thank you for the nostalgia.
Ride safe, Lady J Rider
Delighted the video could be a little trip down memory Lane🙂
Urban rider is 5 minutes from me, great shop and even better staff.
Hi, one happy lady , and sorted out for half the price . Your both great fun to watch and keep them coming .👍👍
It feels brilliant to finally have found the right bit of kit🙂👌🏻 Thank you, have a good evening!
We need more Monica in the vids
I got the Knox utility armour for Christmas, highly recommend. Really opens up the jacket choice as you can wear normal Belstaffs and Barbours over the top 👌
Finally, bless her heart the young Lady shines. Love the trip through London. The Harley stop was a surprise, as I pause and look over with freeze frame. Another car next video? Another relaxing video thanks.
Yep! We have a Defender for two weeks in Cornwall!😃
@@FreddieDobbs WOW Love it.
Always nice to see Monica. She photographs very well.
Hi Freddie, that looked like one of Evil Knievel's Harley stunt bikes in the Warrs dealership. The one with the stars and stripes and silver metalflake paint. Its kind of poignant as Evils son Robbie passed away last week on the 13th of January. He followed in his father's footsteps and a record breaking daredevil. RIP Robbie.
Oh wow, I was wondering if it was Knievel’s actual bike but I didn’t see the plaque.
Told you she would love Knox armour.Great bit of kit, well done. Keep the videos coming Freddie.
Thanks for the tip. Monika’s delighted!🙂
Thoroughly enjoying your work Freddie. I'm rather older than you and have been riding since I left school. It always makes me laugh when you see something for the first time that for me has always been so...i.e. Warrs (I have purchased two machines from them in the past with no hassle and they were decent to deal with), or polishing materials and the list goes on 🙂 It's so good to see new enthusiasts coming to the wonderful world of motorcycling. Long may you continue.
I do believe you may have sorted out my wife's predicament! Years of indecision may have come to an end!! Now, just got to get to London from Gold Coast Australia as You are right....nothing equals the ability to try on! Oh, not to mention I might have seen a few items I'd like to add to my wardrobe too!! Thanks Freddie...you are going to cost me a fortune!! Can't believe Companies do not think about sending gear for Monica. They are missing out on an ever growing slice of the market! Keep up the great work.
Delighted you found the video useful! And I can’t lie- Urban Rider is a dangerous place for the wallet!😆 Sending all my best to you both🙂👋🇦🇺
Had a meltdown this morning when I came across your review for Urban Rider. I've been a big fan of theirs for a while, and recently found your channel, which has rapidly become one of my favourite review channels. Thoroughly enjoyed this review. Glad Monika eventually got what she wanted..... Happy wife, happy life! Keep up the good work both of you.
I lived around the corner from Fred Warrs in 1984. It was just a small shop then. Called there in 2019 on my rough v strom on way to Bike Shed. Very different!
Great vid, ... what a dilemma, I'd feel like you Freddie, Monika definitely deserves the very best.
❤️ to u both ❤️👍🌟🌟
Ps, thanks for sharing the choices of fantastic motorcycle clothing 👍
Really glad you enjoyed it, sending you all our best🙂🙌🏻
Urban rider are the best, have bought 90% of my gear from them
Hurrah! My Mrs was saying she should go for Knox. Great quality and good pricing.
Comes to something when one chooses fashion over function..... "Dress for the slide not the ride...."
But something is better than nothing when it comes to protection.....
Stay safe 🙏
I like to think of it as this…if you knew you were going to come off your bike what would you wear??
Great service from Urban rider used them several times 👌
It really is top level!🖤
Very enjoyable video, you almost convinced me that the A12 is a wonderful road! I'm pleased you gave Monika the time and support to get something good. Looks like a very good choice for her. I hope she's happy with that uncomfortable seat arrangement now :) Wow, what an excellent shop, I need to keep my credit card away from there. Thanks for another brilliant TH-cam video.
What a beautiful mixture of scenery on the way in too on a day like that. Even London looked good!
Haha it’s true- we caught London on a stunning day!😍
Hey Freddie - that’s my black 999s in for service with Max, looks like it was ready for me to pick up 😎👍
always wondered about going to urban rider and of course where to go for a posh coffee afterwards so thankyou for answering both questions - love these vids
Brilliant "You go in there, you want one, your bankrupt", awesome bikes, and awesome vid guy's, Cheers
I feel like I need to make something clear
I haven’t commented on your films for a long time
It’s not until you have a serious off that you realise that you should always have the most protective gear you can get
You don’t need it until you need it , and then it’s too late
Kind regards Justin
Enjoyed watching this…great work 👏
Great job Freddie - almost unlimited brownie points gained. 😁
Love this shop. They've nailed the modern classic scene and it's great that there's something for all budgets. Glad the 4+ hour round trip was worth it. Nothing worse than coming back empty handed.
That armour looks great. I bumped into some guys in Spain, doing trail riding on an Rninet scrambler. He was wearing under armour and a very fancy looking Barbour jacket over the top. I'd definitely consider it next time.
You should check out The Sportsbikeshop , Kirton, Boston . They have a massive selection of kit with try before you buy. I can highly recommend
I have learned keeping management Happy on the bike translates into and exponentially happier ride/tour together.
Money well spent.
Safe, happy travels 👍
Absolutely 100% spot on. I totally agree🙂
Glad Monika has got sorted! 😉
Excellent video Freddie and great reviews! Fabulous selection on the jacket and I definitely agree with the reasoning and thought process behind the decision - if it's comfortable then she'll certainly want to go riding more often! I did catch the "we'll be in a different vehicle next video"! Does that mean you FINALLY bought a Land Rover DEFENDER?!!! Oh the suspense ... LOL! Thanks as always Freddie and Monica - Safe Travels and God Bless! 👍👍👍
Thanks very much!
Unfortunately I haven’t bought a Defender, but I do now have one in my possession for the next two weeks!🙂
@@FreddieDobbs That's what I'm talking about - well that's the next best thing! Can't wait to see it!
I grew up in the UK but currently live in Canada so I laughed when you said it was absolutely bitter . . .2 degrees . . . that is barbeque and speedo weather in Canada 😂.
knox good choice, have the honister myself, good jeans as well.Monica is fit-lucky man! lol
Top Vid Freddie and Monika , I do really like the gear what Urban rider do , especially the Merlin stuff ,I have the Merlin Minworth heated gloves amazing in colder weather , nice to know their customer service is as good as the products they stock , keep up the great content guys 😁
I thought this was a rain gear purchase. Going back in videos. She got you! Now she needs a waterproof jacket! Lol
I’m speechless. I initially wondered what you’re talking about… and now I remember you’re absolutely right! I’m off to have a stern word with Monika (and myself too- for my very short memory!)😆
@@FreddieDobbs lol. I was married twice! Don't take my words as advise.
Great vlog as usual both, 18 months ago I bought a helmet from Urban Rider on line, it was a 'DMD VINTAGE HELMET - SUNSET' that they still sell today , really pleased with how they handled the order, very professional.
I LOVE the DMD Vintage helmets😍👌🏻
Got to look after the girls!😊
Great video as usual, I live 10min walk from Urban Rider and I pop into both Warrs and Urban Ryder on a weekly basis, Wandsworth Shopping Centre would have been closer from where you were parked to go to and less traffic than driving up to Westfield.
When the chance comes by get a Harley .Its the oldest and most classic of machines still being made a great American icon.
My knox jeans are my favourite bit of kit so comfortable
Never bankrupt, made for life.. You touched on a couple as you left Warr's, but still missed that Lucifer's Hammer (there's a lot to take in there though).
Don't settle for the copies, Bell Moto - and either Halcyon Mark 9 or Silver Cross for goggles (then you'll be be needing a tricked out Kwacka Z1 .. oh.. and a meat cleaver 🙂).
Another great trip out and worthy round up of essential products, kudos.
Ah yeah, those Roeg Chase helmets do look a lot like the Biltwell Gringo and do come through the same supplier.
Got the same thing recently. Love IT.
Hi Freddie, like the tour of Urban Rider. Be interesting to see how Monika gets on with the Knox riding shirt. Shoei helmet is an ex zero. Lovely helmet! Merlin do a great summer ( remember that) mesh jacket. Cheers
Thanks for the heads up Pete. I think (hope!) Monika’s now sorted for all seasons, although a nice vintage style jacket would potentially interest her, I think🙂
Monika looks happy, great job Freddie 👍 I'm just looking at those By City helmets, for me they are top end 😁 but from Motocard who are in Spain, the model you looked at is £105 at the moment from them and you don't pay import charges on safety equipment. I've bought a few things from them now. Just try one one on over here then order it cheaper direct. Looking forward to the next video as always.
This is a seriously good bit of consumer advice- thank you Dale. Eye opening (I did not know this about safety gear and no duties!)
The best protective gear is the gear you will always wear.
I would expect this to also go on holiday.
A very good point- this is the attitude we’ve adopted🙂👌🏻
Hi. I was particularly interested in the search you did to find a coat for Monika. As a lady rider we have significant problems finding good well fitting gear.
Recently I found a British company called Ruroc and have bought a leather and a textile jacket from them. They are design lead and their jackets are excellent quality and design for both men and women. I wear my textile jacket all the time and have had several compliments from young men on the jacket! I can wear a fleece under it or a big jumper and it does not look bulky.
Just take a look at their website they have very interesting gear. The detail is excellent, the quality is excellent and they are from Gloucester. 👍
I have ordered from Urban Rider from the USA and they are quick and dependable with a great selection.....
Great to know the service is just as good in the US too!🙂🇺🇸
Merlin are going to make clothing for BSA.
I did the back and forth buy and return recently on jeans and other gear and wow, it was super expensive - rolling thousands of dollars. I don’t have access to a great shop like this. I ended up with Rokker AAA jeans and I am over the top impressed. The material feels breathable but bulletproof, and cut like a 501 Levi with button fly. it’s the perfect jean imo, maybe even off the bike. But, I think the under armor idea is really interesting to save on specialized and seasonal gear. Thanks for the tour!
That Knox jackets are very comfortable . I got one for me and one for my wife, they are superb to wear but the downside is that it becomes “old” very fast. The fabric becomes glossy in the middle front area and I’m afraid they could be better finished as you’ll find after some daily use. Although the design is fantastic and the comfort is of high level. 👌🏻
I've got the Knoxx2 under armour. It's brilliant. Goes under any jacket and as it is for the summer. You always get what you pay :) enjoy.
Great to hear it!🙂🙌🏻🙌🏻
Thanks
Red nose, vipe from the mouth , it is cold, you should wear a scarf! The mission is done, good luck for Monika😊
Tiny shop isn’t it guys. Well presented, offering most of their lines on display but the majority of stock is warehoused and mail order. Call before you travel to check your particular item is available to try and in your size.
This is a very good point you make as there was a Fuel jacket advertised online that wasn’t in-store. I didn’t realise they had a warehouse off site.
I thought that too with limited selection for ladies !
Hi Freddie, Fred Warrs were originally based in Greenwich town centre within sight of the Cutty Sark, they moved to Fulham in the 80s. The original shop is now a coffee house.
Oh wow- I’m just searching for old pictures of this. Thank you for the heads up🙂
Great video Freddie
I have the KNOX Urbane Pro under armour jacket and trousers. The trousers ride up and the knee pads end up on your thigh. I would recommend adding foot loops to keep the trouser in place if you go for a pair. To reduce the profile even more I added D3O Ghost armour to the shoulders and elbows. I like to ride with a hoody on when I am on my cruiser and the KNOX means I can choose a selection of hoodies to wear. I still tend to wear motorcycle jeans however.
Thanks for sharing. Do they offer foot loops, or styles with them? I just failed to find some on their website.
Fantastic advice, thank you Peter!🙂🙌🏻
I’ve seen some with loops, maybe a different brand? I’m struggling to find a pair of armoured combats that I like and am now considering the Knox trousers.
The ones with loops are a different brand I considered both but went with KNOX
Hi Freddie, try leather hideout in Saffron Walden really friendly and can adjust gear to fit you perfectly, there work is first class.
Good choice, Monika. I grabbed a Knox Armoured shirt a few years ago - after reading about them in a BikeEXIF article - and in preparation for a Gentleman's Ride. So, first outing: under a collared shirt & tie, and wearing a waistcoat. Later found that it also fitted perfectly under my 'vintage' (pre-armour era) leather jacket - result! Since, I have worn it just under a big baggy t-shirt, a hoodie, even a zipped regular 'walking' jacket. The Knox shirt has a surprising 'thermal' quality - but I have, on occasion, slipped a thin merino layer on, then the armoured shirt, and then a jacket over that. Well happy - a complete game-changer for me. So much so that I later tried to achieve the same result with armoured pants, but (sadly) these just didn't work as well as the shirt for me - the concept is equally great; they fit under loose, heavy trousers, dress trousers/chinos (Gentleman's ride), denims, etc. and are (as you say) very low profile, but I personally find that the armour 'wanders around' in use - but hey! it could just be my knobbly knees (o: Hope it's 'game changing' gear for Monika, too.
Very cool. I’ve never considered under armour. I need to look. I could spend a fortune in there
It’s a dangerous place for the wallet!😆
Well done sir
Bravo!
I wear a Barbour International like yours over a mesh armored jacket in cooler weather and just the mesh when it’s warmer. The mesh provides insulation.
I’m now considering similar- thank you for this🙂
Freddie, was looking for a stylish leather jacket and after seeing your vlog on Monica’s plight on finding a suitable riding jacket and your subsequent trip to Urban Rider, I have just purchased a black leather Merlin Wishaw Signature jacket at an absolutely brilliant price from Urban Rider, online . Thanks for the heads-up!
“Shall we go the whole hog”.. priceless Freddie.
The reporter Lieca ❤
I know its not Hipster gear generally but Sports Bike Shop now have a place in Harlow! Gold Top are based near Stanstead too! 👌
I didn’t know this- I actually quite like Sports Bike Shop🙂👌🏻 Thanks for the heads up
Ok 👌👍 Freddie
Looked more like a fashion shop , still each to their own.
Urban Rider is for those that spend much more time hanging around coffee shops than actually riding a bike. Although to be fair when you do spend SO MUCH worrying if you are still on trend, there is not much time left to ride.
always love these types of vlogs 😁
I hope you enjoy it🙂
Harley dealers are great places. I bought a new Buell Ulysses from one in 2008. Great bike. Merlin over overpriced Belstaff any day. That Spanish helmet looked a good deal. No visor, though.
Look at Moto Girl, the ribbed leggings in black with hip protectors.
Highly recommend you check them out they are awesome, my wife is a petite 8 and she looks amazing in these plus u can wear them when u are not riding.
Plus she wears Under Armour and has the Revit Zena Jacket and pants for serious rides.
Nice report 🙂👍🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Thank you so much for this Eric- really appreciated🙂
In America I think harely Davidson has the most stunning and impressive dealerships. Wether it be the location or architecture they always stand out in their environment.
I've got the Action Pro, good bit of kit but feel you'd need the AA if you're doing anything than a 40/50 mph journey.
It's interesting to hear folks from the UK say or call things "KIT". For an American when we hear that we think of a whole kit/package/outfit.
Wow that top looks more like a workout top than a moto top. I'm actually glad Europe has standards and ratings with safety gear. The US not so much of anything except DOT helmets. Since these standards, moto safety gear has gotten much safer due to being required to be tested and pass unlike a couple decades ago.
The Knox-style lightweight jackets also work well in very hot climates. You could thrown on a waterproof outer layer if it rains or gets colder.
What do you think is better for hot climates weather? The Knox A rated Action shirt (lighter but as breathable) or the Knox AA rated Urbane Pro (heavier but more breathable)? I own the previous verison of Knox Urbane Pro Shirt (A rated) but it's thick and I sweat in it during summer. I can't wear over it knits only hoodies or big jackets.
Will the new Action Shirt be better?
@@yardenl1998 I would go for the lighter version of the Urbane Pro for summer riding. You could probably use an armored hoodie with it during colder weather, but with the armor removed.
The Rokker Company AG is a Swiss company (I think from one of the German cantons) not Portuguese. But it seems that they manufacture their products (maybe all or some) in Portugal.
I'm thinking of getting a heated vest but the entire kit (battery and vest) is £200. Too much for what would be six weeks of riding in the Algarve. Still, it's bloody freezing here now, full on winter. Time for layers, lots of them.
I usually end up throwing on my waterproofs if it’s seriously cold! Happy riding🥶🙂🤘🏼🏍
Beige? BEIGE? That's not beige that's Gloss Antique White.
Now go and sit on the naughty step for half an hour Dobbs and repeat after me "it's not beige".
Lovely video as always, Urban Rider is my local which makes life easy to get good gear even if the temptation is almost too much to resist.
Good call on the Knox gear I picked up an Urbane Pro jacket (at Urban Rider of course) which I'll use any time of year varying what I wear over the top from a shirt to a deliciously battered Barbour International I picked up in Oxfam. And their Richmond jeans are THE MOST COMFORTABLE jeans I've ever worn, thanks to their stretch denim. They're so comfy I'll wear them day in day out whether I'm riding or not especially this time of year when the full Kevlar liner keeps me nice and toasty.
Urban Rider may not be the cheapest but they know their stuff, make great TH-cam reviews of all their products and their dedication to measuring every piece of gear they sell themselves so buyers know the real sizing is spot on.
Gloss Antique White; this is now engrained in my memory😆👌🏻
It’s a very good point re Urban Rider doing their own measurements- very helpful!
That Harley place 😍
You go in there, you want one, you go bankrupt. Lol. Haven’t you figured out Freddie there counting on that. You know HD stands for “high dollar”. There was some really nice old high dollar bikes on display. That green army one is a WLA 45 flathead. With a Thompson machine gun leather holster. I’ve heard of Warr,s HD. They have a big history over there in England. Glad Monica got some gear. I hope she got some warm long johns to. Have you ever looked into you or her getting a Schott brand leather jacket. If you had that you wouldn’t need any under armor. They’ve been made in NYC for over 100 years. I got my first one at 16. I’m 55 and on the third one now, only because the second got to small. Or maybe I got to big. 😆
As a Triumph rider in the US I am so jealous of having access to a shop like Urban Rider even two hours away. I wind up buying brands like Merlin or even my Shoei glamster online from European shops…waiting for weeks and hoping the fit is right as the return shipping costs are often outrageous
Have you ever visited a branch of Sportsbike Ltd? They have a great selection of clothing, accessories etc to cater for all budgets. They also provide a next day delivery service via DPD and collections if necessary and also offer a 365 day return policy. Their prices are competitive and I believe they also offer a price match promise. 👍
Wish they had that store in the US. Just recently have gotton and nice Merlin Jacket and a Pair of Merlin high boots from Urban Rider. And believe it or not it's quite a bit cheeper even with shipping to the us then from a dealer in the US with free shipping.
Wow, that is eye opening!😳