thank you for the chat. We can use it as reference against the youtube-video - creators with "Jazz is Dead" propaganda. Btw: sound of the youth. Klaus Doldinger in the 60s.
@@tobias_meinhart in case you don't know it, a historical broadcast WDR 1967, on youtube Doldinger vs Broetzmann I was 14 years old, at the time 100% pro Doldinger
Thanks for doing and posting this interview Ken. Not heard of Tobias before. Thanks to you (and Tobias). I have been listening to his latest with Kurt Rosenwinkel. Very nice.
I think Andy Edward’s criticism of current jazz was just the opposite of what Tobias assumed. Andy’s point was that jazz does sound too much like Miles Davis in the 1950’s and if it doesn’t, the jazz elite will say it isn’t jazz. It isn’t allowed to change as if it’s a sacred museum artifact.
Ridiculous. Look at Downbeat, still the leading US jazz journal. There may be ads for reissues of old jazz, but the coverage is 90% living, thriving, advancing jazz artists.
This sort of provocation goes back a ways - I recall reading “Blue: The Murder Of Jazz“ 20 years ago. As a boomer who listens mostly to 60s hard bop + its successors like Billy Harper, it doesn’t bother me true or false. Fun discussion nevertheless.
Are you saying old-school jazz is ignored by traditional media? You’ve got to be kidding. We’ve never seen so many issues of jazz by dead people. Tone poet, resonance, elemental, candid, goes on and on. Make a lot more money as a dead jazz musician, then one living.
@@BADEAU011 then be clear. There is print media, there is radio media, there is television media, there is Internet media. It’s not all the same thing.
@@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 Sorry I'm a French Canadian, I do the best I can in English, so my point is for radio, long times ago, there was many radio show but not anymore here.
Great video which resonated with me. Made me want to go to New York( I’m from Germany) and visit all these places. Listening now to Tobias Meinhart’s albums on Qobuz.
I don't think jazz is dead, sort of like saying is Rock dead. I think what it boils down to is a perception of youth and this perception of youth as the primary consumer of music. Moreover it also comes from that perception juxtaposed by reality. They'll say the youth are flippant and transient and only care about the now, when in fact the reality is far different. He is definitely right, jazz is best enjoyed live. I remember my first performance at the Houston jazz festival back in 2010. I had heard jazz before of course, but I certainly wasn't into it, though seeing it live and seeing the musicians playing created this infectious energy more so than any other type of musical performance I've been to.
We were in France for our anniversary this past May and we discovered a little Irish pub near Notre Dame on our last two nights and the first night was an amazing jazz jam session that was packed out the door and the musicians were excellent, varied, and mostly younger than 35. People would rotate in and out and we watched new people walk up with their instruments about every 15-20 minutes. I almost had tears in my eyes! I think the split here may be the vast gulf between older elitist audiophiles and the younger crowds in regard to equipment. Jazz screams for decent gear but the door to that world is often closed.
I would venture there are 100s of thousands of people listening to their jazz records on systems that would not comport to your “elitist audiophile” claim. I have never said that you must be an audio file to enjoy jazz records. That is bullshit.
@@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 where did I say "you"? And I'm not talking about the fans of the music as opposed to the gatekeepers of the component world. I literally said, "in regard to equipment." And I'll stand by that statement.
@@tmdillon1969 I’m older and I review high-end gear for Stereophile. So I assume that was directed towards me. If it wasn’t, apologies and thank you for your comment.
Joshua Redman is my current favorite but Sonny Rollins is one of a kind. I got to meet Sonny once and it was an incredible two minutes of speaking with me
It is not dead. The problem is all you see are reissues of the classics. Ken please come up with a video of the top 10 new jazz releases. There is some great modern jazz. Stop buying your 10th reissue of Bill Evans and listen to it!
Stop buying my Bill Evans reissue and listen to it? I don’t even know if that means. I have a series of videos coming up reviewing new jazz artists on vinyl. As I have said 1 million times generally speaking jazz artist cannot afford to press to vinyl unless they’re on a major label. But with JMI, international anthem, and others that is slowly changing. If you haven’t noticed, I’m one of the few people who doesn’t endlessly praise. Tone poets is some sort of manna. The whole point of this video is to prove that jazz is not dead, and it doesn’t only exist in reissues of those who are dead.
It is rather disturbing when people start to compartmentalize jazz. If the artist does not follow strict jazz precepts, he's ridiculed and cancelled. The old jazz masters must be turning in their graves
@@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 I love all kinds of jazz from smooth, Latin, European, bebop , free and mainstream depending on my moods. I noticed some jazz reviewers are rusted in one type of jazz and seem to treat other people's tastes with contempt
Jazz has always had a myriad of female artists. But back then they were seen for their talent and also as peers. Funny how today’s audience sees it as novel or breakthrough. Crate digging will show you this.
Female jazz players were always marginalized. Seen any new vinyl reissues of LIl Armstrong, Mary Lou Williamson, Blossom Dearie, or Melba Liston lately?
Hip Hop is very influenced by Jazz. It’s personal taste but what Robert Glasper does for example reaches a wide audience and gets young people exposed to Jazz, who might dig deeper then.
@@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 ?? Do you mean Slope? Emmet Cohen always plays at Smoke after hours with a bunch of other jazz musicians when he’s not on tour which he is now and for the next 2 years.
Very fun interview. Thanks for having me, Ken!
thank you for the chat. We can use it as reference against the youtube-video - creators with "Jazz is Dead" propaganda.
Btw: sound of the youth. Klaus Doldinger in the 60s.
@@narosgmbh5916 interesting! only know his newer stuff, and of course Tatort and Das Boot. will check out the 60s stuff
@@tobias_meinhart in case you don't know it, a historical broadcast WDR 1967, on youtube
Doldinger vs Broetzmann
I was 14 years old, at the time 100% pro Doldinger
@@narosgmbh5916 oh wow, thank you! didn't know about this at all
Thanks for doing and posting this interview Ken. Not heard of Tobias before. Thanks to you (and Tobias). I have been listening to his latest with Kurt Rosenwinkel. Very nice.
Thanks for checking it out!
Cool interview. Nice to hear a perspective like this while I am trapped in suburbia with kids
I think Andy Edward’s criticism of current jazz was just the opposite of what Tobias assumed. Andy’s point was that jazz does sound too much like Miles Davis in the 1950’s and if it doesn’t, the jazz elite will say it isn’t jazz. It isn’t allowed to change as if it’s a sacred museum artifact.
Ridiculous. Look at Downbeat, still the leading US jazz journal. There may be ads for reissues of old jazz, but the coverage is 90% living, thriving, advancing jazz artists.
This sort of provocation goes back a ways - I recall reading “Blue: The Murder Of Jazz“ 20 years ago. As a boomer who listens mostly to 60s hard bop + its successors like Billy Harper, it doesn’t bother me true or false. Fun discussion nevertheless.
The jazz is ignored by trad. Media, but so many quality records are produced in this time.
Are you saying old-school jazz is ignored by traditional media? You’ve got to be kidding. We’ve never seen so many issues of jazz by dead people. Tone poet, resonance, elemental, candid, goes on and on. Make a lot more money as a dead jazz musician, then one living.
@@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 I buy many records old style and new things , my point is the radio dont't play jazz ,at least in Canada
@@BADEAU011 then be clear. There is print media, there is radio media, there is television media, there is Internet media. It’s not all the same thing.
@@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 Sorry I'm a French Canadian, I do the best I can in English, so my point is for radio, long times ago, there was many radio show but not anymore here.
Excellent and insightful video. Thanks Ken!
Very clever choice of episode Ken. Keep it up.
Great video which resonated with me. Made me want to go to New York( I’m from Germany) and visit all these places. Listening now to Tobias Meinhart’s albums on Qobuz.
Thanks for listening. Hope to see you at a club sometime in Germany!
@@tobias_meinhart That would be wonderful.
@@RillenReinerwo wohnst Du denn? Nächsten April sind wir in ganz Deutschland unterwegs
@@tobias_meinhart in der Nähe von Krefeld. Das wiederum ist in der Nähe von Venlo (NL) und Düsseldorf.
@@RillenReiner Wir spielen wohl in Aachen und Köln, vielleicht geht sich das ja aus
I don't think jazz is dead, sort of like saying is Rock dead. I think what it boils down to is a perception of youth and this perception of youth as the primary consumer of music. Moreover it also comes from that perception juxtaposed by reality. They'll say the youth are flippant and transient and only care about the now, when in fact the reality is far different.
He is definitely right, jazz is best enjoyed live. I remember my first performance at the Houston jazz festival back in 2010. I had heard jazz before of course, but I certainly wasn't into it, though seeing it live and seeing the musicians playing created this infectious energy more so than any other type of musical performance I've been to.
Mark Guiliana is a very much alive and interesting and like Tobias well connected with a large and disparate audience. Great interview.
Love Mark Guiliana ,also his tenor player Jason Rigby is incredible
We were in France for our anniversary this past May and we discovered a little Irish pub near Notre Dame on our last two nights and the first night was an amazing jazz jam session that was packed out the door and the musicians were excellent, varied, and mostly younger than 35. People would rotate in and out and we watched new people walk up with their instruments about every 15-20 minutes. I almost had tears in my eyes! I think the split here may be the vast gulf between older elitist audiophiles and the younger crowds in regard to equipment. Jazz screams for decent gear but the door to that world is often closed.
I would venture there are 100s of thousands of people listening to their jazz records on systems that would not comport to your “elitist audiophile” claim. I have never said that you must be an audio file to enjoy jazz records. That is bullshit.
@@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 where did I say "you"? And I'm not talking about the fans of the music as opposed to the gatekeepers of the component world. I literally said, "in regard to equipment." And I'll stand by that statement.
@@tmdillon1969 I’m older and I review high-end gear for Stereophile. So I assume that was directed towards me. If it wasn’t, apologies and thank you for your comment.
i want to go to a jazzclub right now, grtz from the netherlands 🇳🇱
Joshua Redman is my current favorite but Sonny Rollins is one of a kind. I got to meet Sonny once and it was an incredible two minutes of speaking with me
Jazz is popular amongst students who study jazz.
not only :)
@@tobias_meinhart not only but more and more only.
Great interview!
what about the beautiful Gretsch drum set in the background
Exactly;)
Great interview with Tobias Ken. What song of his is playing at the opening of the video?
just an improvisation we did before the interview :)
@@tobias_meinhartWow very cool.
@@Localbandography thank you
It is not dead. The problem is all you see are reissues of the classics. Ken please come up with a video of the top 10 new jazz releases. There is some great modern jazz. Stop buying your 10th reissue of Bill Evans and listen to it!
Stop buying my Bill Evans reissue and listen to it? I don’t even know if that means. I have a series of videos coming up reviewing new jazz artists on vinyl. As I have said 1 million times generally speaking jazz artist cannot afford to press to vinyl unless they’re on a major label. But with JMI, international anthem, and others that is slowly changing. If you haven’t noticed, I’m one of the few people who doesn’t endlessly praise. Tone poets is some sort of manna. The whole point of this video is to prove that jazz is not dead, and it doesn’t only exist in reissues of those who are dead.
Music happens more organically than many armchair critics realize. Even the kinds with big journalistic labels like, gasp, “Fusion”……..
It is rather disturbing when people start to compartmentalize jazz. If the artist does not follow strict jazz precepts, he's ridiculed and cancelled. The old jazz masters must be turning in their graves
I compartmentalized but asked the questions, is the music healthy and moving forward? Yes, it is
@@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 I love all kinds of jazz from smooth, Latin, European, bebop , free and mainstream depending on my moods. I noticed some jazz reviewers are rusted in one type of jazz and seem to treat other people's tastes with contempt
Not in my house
Jazz has always had a myriad of female artists. But back then they were seen for their talent and also as peers. Funny how today’s audience sees it as novel or breakthrough. Crate digging will show you this.
Female jazz players were always marginalized. Seen any new vinyl reissues of LIl Armstrong, Mary Lou Williamson, Blossom Dearie, or Melba Liston lately?
Hip hop on jazz??No, please
Hip Hop is very influenced by Jazz. It’s personal taste but what Robert Glasper does for example reaches a wide audience and gets young people exposed to Jazz, who might dig deeper then.
Smoke
Slop
@@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 ??
Do you mean Slope? Emmet Cohen always plays at Smoke after hours with a bunch of other jazz musicians when he’s not on tour which he is now and for the next 2 years.
Just awesome....NOT