Bonding Over Artex with a Speed Skim
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More often then not with a shallow pattern I just stick a couple of handfuls of bonding in a two bag mix and let it go firm before second coat. Works a treat
How different is the texture when you mix up a bit of bonding in the first coat of multi finish in comparison to a normal mix ?
@@bee8583 It depends. If you put too much bond in the multi you can times feel a bit of difference in the finish, but nothing that effects the overall finish when painted.
@@noodles8203 I mean how does it feel to lay on in comparison to just using multi?
@@bee8583 lovely, gotta get the consistency right, I did a 20sqm artex ceiling the other week and it was a bit stiff, both arms and my shoulder were killing by the end of it. I’ve also mixed it too wet and it’s going everywhere. I like mine the consistency of creamy bonding
Actually more like creamy hardwall
Probably the best demonstration and talk through iv seen on TH-cam
You're a Gent Steve, Thanks
I've done a lot of these ceilings and it's good to know I'm not the only one that has had to completely take it all back off as it seperated from the artex , good job it happened when I was there 😂 . That was multi finish. Bonding is definitely the way to go with artex painted Artex is low suction exactly what bonding is designed for 👍
Thankfully mine was a family job, it is gutting
Nice job exactly how I do it and never fails
Eric you are a gent and a good teacher. As DIYer I am learning a lot from you. Like all your videos. Thank you very much and keep the good work going.
Thankyou so much 👍
Great narration of the process.
Thanks
Top job Eric!! Keep it up mate 👍
Thanks Blaine, Some of my Subs have done your paid course, lots of praise 👌👍
Adding a couple handfuls of bonding to your first coat is a game changer especially on a low stipple, let your first coat go quite far and then second coat it looks mint, applies exactly the same as just multi but gives some body to the plaster to get it on thicker to get over the stipple highly recommend trying it.
If you find that better, and you're happy, then that's fine
Great job buddy
Cheers mate 👍👍
Brilliant...thanks.
Thank you for the video; very impressive.
Thanks Simon👍
Lovley work champ 🏆
Thanks George! 👍👍
Another great video. 👌🏻
Thanks Paul ! 👍👍
Great video and reading through all of the chat helps to.
Thank You
One question. The neat PVA I should put on the bonding say the following day, should that be saturated into the bonding or just a thin coat?
Cheers.
Hi mate, just give it one really good neat coat, with a roller, work it well in 😀👍personally I always let my PVA dry completely before I skim
Awesome job mate looks well good 👍
Thanks Will, hope you're keeping well
Yeah all good mate and yourself
Great thanks mate
Excellent video as always, I always Blue Grit Artex myself but doing these on a hop-up takes forever. I know if I try stilts I'll be tripping over causing untold damage haha. Keep up the good work!
Thanks Jamie, you would soon get the hang of using stilts 😃
You should give microgobetis a go rather than Blue Grit. The grain is much smaller and it dries quicket than pva. Its a dream to skim over. Its more expensive but you can water it down. 👍
Another top job my friend 👍
Thanks again Calvin
Not a problem buddy I’m new to the game so it all helps me out
Good job 👍
Thanks Jim 👍
I used to bond over with cement to speed up and skim but was prone to crack ,now I scrap pva skim thickish coat flatten sponge thin second coat etc , going to try without cement just waiting around to skim up to finishing job same day Great video thanks
You do what with the PVA?
Sorry scrap high spots and then PVA
@@carlashton7330 a lot of guys mix 50 50 bonding and finish together for first coat, and top with finish, never done it myself
Another great vid Eric-
what brand of PVA do you use neat? Previous vid you said B&Q.
I found the No Frills from Screwfix is pretty gloopy.
Thanks mate, yeah, B&Q's Cheapest, what ever you buy, if it's a bit gloopy then I'll add a touch of water so its not gloopy anymore but that's as far as I go
I noticed when you put a trowel of skim on its half on your last trowel and half on the bonding is this to keep it flat. I'm quite lucky I only need an old crate. Great video
Hi Roy, yeah it just helps to get the first coat as flat as possible when your laying it on, I'm guessing your pretty tall if you can just use a crate.
I had just finished eating something on one of the live streams, sorry about that, not on this video though😁
Great video
Cheers Joe, see you on the next Live Stream👍
great vid 👍
Thanks 😁👍
Hi Eric if the ceiling is undulating badly do you still manage to finish using same mix mixed up with a bit of water even though some areas of ceiling will be really thick with plaster to flatten deep hollows or would you let it firm up and apply second coat.
Cheers mate, thanks for all your videos etc.
Yeah, doesn't make any difference
If undulations are really bad they should be taken out with bonding first
Thanks Eric for your quick response 👍
Also, could you a quick video on how to lay the polythene efficiently over a carpet showing where you would use masking tape. etc. I’ve had a go but got in a right state trying to flatten it down 😫
Thanks , as always.
@@malcolmwootton2815 will do Malcolm
Brill Eric, your a star 👍
I had 1 1/4 inch artec spikes I'm novice I hate ceilings unless small but I did two layers of pva, two coates multifinish thick then thin and I got rid of the spikes. My other room artex is 1 1/2 spikes thinking of using a disc to grind spikes down but could be asbestos ceiling needs testing
If your gonna strip em off definitely get tested first, using a disc will make a ton of fine dust so I wouldn't recommend, most guys overboard if the spikes are too prominent.
I use bonding as I find it much easier for covering spikes
Cheers but there's a large square mould should I chip off the mould the overboard
@@MrRdt1970 only if it's a growing mould
The trouble I went to putting all this artex on in the 80s lol
😂😂
You've kept me in work, thank you 👍
Hello when use 1 quote bonding .And start used multifinish, then start bubble when dry 🤔 what wrong .? Thank you
Hi Ernestas, the multifinish may be drying too quickly, or you may be putting water on the finish too early
Great video. Nice and relaxing
Cheers👍
@@ThePlasterer I'll try using the bonding. I always use 2 thick coats multi if the artex isnt that dense
@@petersparshot4997 if the finish is great and it's easier, why not?🙂
Just suscribed.everything you've said.spot on.well done...
@@andrewdavies4955 👍Thanks for subscribing
Nice to see a spread on here who looks like an experienced one😊👍
Thanks, much appreciated 👍👍
we had this done 5 years ago, and a massive section has fallen down…why would this happen? We have coving up so the quotes ever had to over board are £2000 rather than £300 to patch up but we are worried if we patch it could fall down or more in different areas in the future. I just find it odd it was there for 5 solid years no issues and then bang…down a big piece fell.
Hi, it would depend on the structure of your ceiling, if it is an original lath and plaster ceiling and a section has dropped revealing the wooden laths then the ceiling should be overboard as eventually without that more could drop. If on the other hand you can see the Artex beneath still attached to the ceiling then there will be an issue where the plaster has blown away from the Artex, sometimes due to the sealer/adhesive applied before the plastering was too weak a mix. Also unless your room is very large and the existing ceiling is being pulled down, I would suggest that your quote is twice as expensive as it should be. Hope this helps, if you email me a picture I could be more specific. Cheers. Eric the plasterer
@@ThePlasterer hi could you let me know your email address. Yes you can still see the artex, the only thing that happened was our son was jumping on and off the bed and then a few hours later it fell…could excess movement also be a cause? We’ve had 4 plasterers come round ( two just haven’t returned any future calls ) and the other two have conflicting info…..we don’t want to spend £2500+ if it can perhaps just be patched up, because it is a very big room.
That is awesum esp when you must be on stilts great stuf
Might be a daft question (new to this) what do you do with the excess plaster , what do you put it in to get rid of it .?
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this is me on the ITV News talking about just that subject
Old plaster bags then bin easy
Do it pretty much the same buddy I think it is one the best ways to go, what 4k camera you using mate ? looking for a new setup myself but I like idea of water prof camera and they dont make many, reason for this is had a sony that lets say wasn't cheap and a drip of water killed it
I've got a fairly old Panasonic 4k video camera, always gets covered in shit but have mostly managed to keep it away from the water, I'm not sure what's best to buy, some of those go pro cameras might be good for what we do but I havn't looked at them that closely, a lot of film makers seem to use pictures cameras instead of videocams but apparently they turn themselves off after 10 minutes of video because they overheat! And as you know, the good ones ain't cheap
@@ThePlasterer yea 10 mins wont do us as our video only get started by that stage haha I got one of the go pros as a gift and find it hard to use getting the hang if it more and more but the camcorders are just so simple one i have now all the cameras I use are water proof now but cant get anything water prof with over 1080p LOL and man yes the price for it to get broke in this one be to hard to pay
Is it the purple bag of bonding you use first ? And what about artex on wall?
Hi Hayub, Yes purple bag, use exactly same method on wall 👍
@@ThePlasterer top man. I'll give it a go. My new place is artex on on lath walls and ceiling. Some of it has cracked while I'll repair with bonding or board but want to keep the existing material as much as possible so the building continues to breath as per my understanding.
It's hard work but he makes it look easy, a cracking job though! I had no idea he was on stilts. 😊
Thanks 😀👍
Hi Eric , ace video and talk through , when you put on your bonding is it just a one coat prior to the skim ?
Cheers
Dave 👍🏻
Thanks Dave👍Yes, is the short answer😀
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@@ThePlasterer cheers Eric , will try and tune in tomorrow 👍🏻
Did you even watch the vid
So it’s not necessary to devil float bonding after apply and you can just skim right over it. ?
Yes. is the short answer😊
This looks great and we plan to do it in all rooms with artex. However I’m worried that the noisey stomper neighbours above me might make the skim fall down with their banging and hyper active kids. Is that a concern or over thinking in my part?
Thanks! Over thinking on your part. 😀👍
Make sure your plasterer seals the ceiling with lots of PVA
Greetings from ireland..👍hows the shoulder holding up ?
Greetings to you too Mathew, shoulder still solid as a rock, in a good way😆 cheers👍
Nice work. What was the name of the first piano track used in the background by the way? Lovely
Thanks, track is 'This is not effortless' in youtube audio library 👍
Oh hang on, wrong video
Will find it and get back to you
' Waiting' Andrew Langdon
@@ThePlasterer A great piece of music to play alongside your great work. Thank you very much 👍🏻
Looks great but why only one coat of multi finish
Thanks Lloyd, it has two coats, I do mention in the video that I've edited it out as the video is quite long and can get a bit boring. Saying that, I have done Onecoat before as I can get exactly the same finish. When I do my usual two coat I water down what's left of the first mix for the second coat so the whole set goes off at the same speed
Just out of interest, if the plaster is going to come away from the artex, would that be almost immediately or months/years?
Normally within a day or so
I had it happen to me over the weekend, went too weak with watering down on the PVA. Next day some small patches dropped so I had to knock the whole lot down, took some doing but still did it.
Luckily lesson learned on my own ceiling!
Went belt and braces - Bluegritted, waited until dry, bond (100%) coat, waited until dry, neat PVA (tacky) and two skims of multi 🤓👍
never skim or bond over artex its a bad job
I had one the other month that delaminated while I was laying it on, got a huge lump of plaster in my eye, somehow finished the ceiling but 2 hospital visits later and 2 days off, it wasn’t worth it!
What size trowel are you using?
14"
really nice neat job, , fellow spreader of 35 years
Thanks Graham👍we've been at it far too long mate😄
Personally I've never used neat pva or just bonding to first coat over a artex ceiling. I find a quarter bag of bonding to a bag of finish to be a much better mix but hey thats just me. As far as I know I've never had plaster debond in the 40 years I've been at it.
Yeah, a lot of guys use a 50/50 bonding/ finish mix, apparently works really well but I've never tried it
What is the bond you used. Do you have any link
Hi Robert, do you mean the bonding plaster? Or the adhesive?
Just pink or blue it up with plaster bond then two coats of plaster . Been doing it for the past 15 years or more , never had a problem
It’s a nightmare to cover with just finish. When you’ve got 5-6mm stipple it’s never going to cover with just multi
How long is your pva taking to go off enough before you can skim it and don't you find the speed skim leaves drag marks in your Plaster
If its fairly warm in the room about 30 minutes or more, I like it to be more or less dry to the touch, if it's cold or damp in the room, all bloody day😫
If the plaster is dragging you might need to flatten the angle of the speed skim a bit more, and make sure the plaster hasn't started to dry out to much
Ok thanks for the reply and great work in your videos 👌
@@michaelleneghan7431 Thanks Michael👍
Hope all are happy n well 👊🏾👳🏾♂️
Best method for me is a thick coat of PVA night before if possible. Next day bonding with multifinish mixed in with it...... Nice thick coat then flatten with 1200 sp skim rule. Trowel out the lines & leave it for 40 mins. Apply a thick coat of multi flatten straight away with the rule then trowel away as you would & finish off with a 14" Nela gold 👊🏾👳🏾♂️
Thank me later 🤘🏽😁
😂Sounds good to me Yousaf 👍
What ratio of bonding with multifinish do you use? I have read of people that say putting two handfuls of bonding with multifinish, but the ratio will depend based on the amount of multifinish that you are using.
Exact same as me mate. I was lazy the other week and tried just multi over an artex ceiling, safe to say it took 3 coats haha
Mate put 4 or 5 hand fulls off bonding in first mix then 2nd coat just plaster your never look back trust me!!
Old habits die hard mate 😁
should only use neat pva on a sealed surface ie silk paint or primed otherwise it forms a skin that can peel also I would never use bonding
I've been on the tools 38 years Terry, I've always used bonding over Atex, and been using neat pva for at least 35 of those years. What do you use instead of bonding?
been doing it for 40 + I always just use multi@@ThePlasterer
Good for you 👍
well you did ask me@@ThePlasterer
@@terry4144 😂True, merry Christmas mate🍻
Personally before the spear skim I used to rule off with a feather edge, especially with some of the deeper patterns.
Over boarding is always better but not many people want to pay triple the price.
Might of got this questions heaps but..what’s your thoughts on the Asbestos In the artex? As I understand it’s only 1/2% in the artex. Great vids TH-cam needed this channel.
There was as you say a very small percentage of asbestos in artex until 2000 apparently, although the amount is small it's not a great idea, in my opinion, to scrape it off (though I used too 😮) just to be on the safe side. If the pattern or stipple is too rough then I tend to price for an over board after explaining to the customer why. Hope this helps, thanks for kind comments much appreciated. I have a 'Live Stream' tomorrow eve 7pm uk time 'Ask The Plasterer' hopefully I'll see you then 👍
@@ThePlasterer hi,when you over board you have to make holes to find the joist centres,so you're disturbing the artex/asbestos ,how do you get around this.
Hi, if the ceiling was made from asbestos I wouldn't smack the holes in it, the amount of asbestos that may be in an old artex ceiling however is very small but still needs to be taken into account, I would drive an old posidrive screwdriver into the ceiling with a hammer roughly where the joist should be, if it goes right in easily, you've missed the joist, if you hit the joist, you know it, and the joist thickness is normally approx 2 inches, these puncture holes dont disturb enough to be an issue. You can buy an electronic stud finder, but depending on the price of it they're not always accurate. Hope this helps.
Thanks for watching 👍Eric the plasterer
@@ThePlasterer thanks for your reply Eric
Why for any work from plaster, tills, paint in UK people use PVA??
Why? There is brand like ceresit, atlas, soudal and milions other which produce special types of primer for every single coats, different for paint, plaster, tills, and different types of absorbing water depending of future coat, so why school glue PVA? It's 2021!
Because it's cheaper 😂