The way things were done behind the scenes with Ric Flair and Jim Herd and how the WCW World Heavyweight Championship match was booked, more than anything else, truly symbolized WCW's transition from the NWA to going solo and how business would be conducted from then on.
It was kind of strange, it's almost as though WCW and WWF made a trade, WWF's older main event roster for WCW's midcard roster, they just basically swapped, and WWF made stars out of those guys while WCW just pushed the same old guys over and over.
I'm new to this channel but I am a huge fan. This series and the War Stories videos is some of the best retro themed wrestling content on TH-cam. My hats off to you as a presenter and your company.
You should also check out OSW Review. It's very long form classic wrestling reviews from the Hulkamania era, dungeon of doom and NWO era WCW, Lex Luger's WWF title build including the Lex Express, mid-2000s TNA, all sorts of great stuff.
I really am enjoying this series, I do think however a liiiiittle bit better pacing could be helpful. More than half of the video is spent building the story towards the event, then what feels to me like glossing over the actual ppv. Maybe like a 3 act structure type deal would do well? Pre ppv, the actual event, then ramifications of. Still love the vids as always chaps. Keep it up! 💜
Jim Herd fired Flair at the height of his career as a power play, he put together that PPV, and he's responsible for the Ding Dongs? Yeah, just some of the reasons he's the worst exec in wrestling history.
2:14 Don't forget The Man with the Hands of Stone Ron Garvin and The Modern-day Warrior Kerry Von Erich who also had memorable wins over The Nature Boy Ric Flair for the World Heavyweight Championship.
Really enjoying this new series so far. Look forward to seeing the likes of December to Dismember, Hell in a Cell 2019 and maybe some more obscure ones like DX In Your House popping up!
it's the only channel i still regularly watch (yanno aside from stuff like botchamana or promo joe). all the other "big" wrasslin' channels i just watch a video here and there.
This heel turn would have been more impactful had Luger done it against longtime friend Sting at that show. I know that WCW never had the time to rethink their plans, but there was definetly a way to do it.
The internet wasn't available to the public until August in 1991 (honestly I was surprised it was that early, AOL 2.0 wasn't until 1994 and that's when it really took off). The news of Flair traveled in more traditional ways. I wonder when the Wrestling Observer started having online content?
It was a little late to be honest. Bryan Alveraz has talked about how the first time they tried with Meltzet the website was a disaster and then tried again a few years later and if worked much better.
is nobody gonna mention the fact that dustin and cody look a lot like each other when it comes to characters?! dustin was like the first american nightmare, but obviously not. omg its so cool!!
The point at which the dysfunctional behind the scenes management of WCW crawled in front of the camera and thus turned viewers away from the product, Herd's attitude was crazy bearing in mind that Flair was still WCW's number one draw at that time and thus one of the few performers who could hold the audience's attention. The whole card was simply a massive exercise in bait and switch and it seemed that Herd wanted to insult the fans by putting together one of the worse shows of all time, which is ironic when you think about the fact that WCW had the ability to produce good tv. Most PPV's that are bad are because the booking is nonsensical or the production values are lacking due to financial constraints, here what was visible to the fans was the fact that Jim Herd was clearly out of his depth.
In fairness, Flair has admitted that he was damaged goods in early '91, suffering from mental health issues and, in his own words "shouldn't have been champion at that point." The short haircut didn't help either. Maybe if Sting had stayed as champion and lost to Luger at GAB '91 with Luger turning on Sting in a babyface match and using Race and Hughes to help beat Sting.
I love triple jump. You know the guys (Ben and Peter) used to work at what culture wrestling w the adams? I’m sure you do, they mention it a lot but, I thought it was pretty cool when I found out that 2 of the channels I was highly into had a connection lol
Sting was always WCW’s golden boy. They tried keeping him fresh according to whatever was current too. He went from a surfer to a goth more or less and it somehow always worked
17:47 There is a “glitch” at the beginning of this match on the Network version where Pillman looked at the camera and said off script, “Johnny don’t be Badd, Johnny be gay!!!”
I remember watching the WWF on Sky One when Sky Television started in February 1989. My mate who lived next door to me got it just after it came out and the first show we watched was Summerslam 1989. We were so lucky that his parents got Sky Television, as 2 10 year old kids who had just become fans of the WWF!!
Even though this show was butchered, I will always have a soft spot for Bash 91... I attended one of the tour stops in New Jersey(ironically the show where Herd had the announcement made about Flair) and this was the first WCW PPV I ever ordered...
An entire show of demanding Flair and booing everything on the card? I think that beats out even Daniel Bryan at that one Wrestlemania and Royal Rumble and the CM Punk chants that reigned as long as they did.
How did your top come to be known as a jumper in the UK. Here in the states we might call it a sweater as they cause sweat. If your clothing naming process is anything like ours then someone put that top on an vamoosed over the edge of Royal Albert Hall...or maybe they were really just hopping around PC. Talk to me Ba!
Harley and Sting were more important because they were Flair's predecessor and sucessor as long term champions. Starrcade '83 and GAB '90 were passing the torch moments.
I honestly think a bald eagle flew down and ran its talons through Ricky Morton’s hair, because damn that mullet would bring a tear to the eye of Benjamin Franklin himself. I feel proud to be an American just looking at those locks.
2:09 i can see 👀👁️👁️ why they don't use this narrator too much, that thing he did when he said Rick Flair was so uncool, loser like and wannabe cool I cant believe he did that, like was that something that Ric Flair did or something? It was odd
I'm guessing, after having to double-modify the last match, that Herd had Rick pummel Anderson + Paul was he was hoping to make RS World champ at some point.
They just made off choices sometimes. WrestleWar ‘89 didn’t end with the Flair/Steamboat match. It ended with 2 different Tag Titles Matches. The US Tag Match was the Main Event.
This show is at least fascinating in what a gigantic cluster**** it is. Both in the build up and the show itself. Sting vs. Koloff and Luger vs. Windham (stupid heel turn aside) were at least decent.
Jim Herd didn't know sh!t about wrestling. He should've just let Ric drop the title to Luger. Herd's ego screwed WCW. Flair taking the belt to WWF created some intrigue & made Luger's title win questionable.
This 1992 Wargames was the last great WG . WCW just totally fucked up this match with more & more with weak builds and just boring 8-man anticlimactic results that never got any better than this 1992 10,man great match !!!
@@TimTE01 Fair enough. I thought it told a good story, but given this was a tag team breakup feud, the fans probably expected brawling and head smashing.
Well, at least WCW never had Mick Foley pull a broken lever to supposedly electricute Abdullah The Butcher.
Thank God for that lol
Poor Abdullah died that night. RIP Abdullah 🙏 ⚰
Yea cauz that would've been jus stupid! 😉😆
@@Thechezbaileyto quote Wrestlecrap..."Abdullah sizzed like a cheap steak" 😂
Not for 3 months, anyway.
The way things were done behind the scenes with Ric Flair and Jim Herd and how the WCW World Heavyweight Championship match was booked, more than anything else, truly symbolized WCW's transition from the NWA to going solo and how business would be conducted from then on.
It was kind of strange, it's almost as though WCW and WWF made a trade, WWF's older main event roster for WCW's midcard roster, they just basically swapped, and WWF made stars out of those guys while WCW just pushed the same old guys over and over.
Rude and Steamboat would Join WCW shortly after this.
Sid this quite a few times over the years. WWF's roster in 1995 and 1996 is just WCW's 1990-1992 roster.
Love having Fraser on the channel more as of late, you’re doing great work!
The fact that Nash never brought back the Oz character in TNA just for the lolz. He was already out of control.
Wouldn't that technically be copyrighted by WWE though?
I'm new to this channel but I am a huge fan. This series and the War Stories videos is some of the best retro themed wrestling content on TH-cam. My hats off to you as a presenter and your company.
You should also check out OSW Review. It's very long form classic wrestling reviews from the Hulkamania era, dungeon of doom and NWO era WCW, Lex Luger's WWF title build including the Lex Express, mid-2000s TNA, all sorts of great stuff.
I really am enjoying this series, I do think however a liiiiittle bit better pacing could be helpful. More than half of the video is spent building the story towards the event, then what feels to me like glossing over the actual ppv. Maybe like a 3 act structure type deal would do well? Pre ppv, the actual event, then ramifications of. Still love the vids as always chaps. Keep it up! 💜
Jim Herd fired Flair at the height of his career as a power play, he put together that PPV, and he's responsible for the Ding Dongs? Yeah, just some of the reasons he's the worst exec in wrestling history.
One hell of a pizza hut manager tho
@@MrManueldx🤣🤣👍👍
Fraser coming in hot with the spot on War Games impression!
2:14 Don't forget The Man with the Hands of Stone Ron Garvin and The Modern-day Warrior Kerry Von Erich who also had memorable wins over The Nature Boy Ric Flair for the World Heavyweight Championship.
Not to mention random foreign matches that didn’t officially count.
Really enjoying this new series so far. Look forward to seeing the likes of December to Dismember, Hell in a Cell 2019 and maybe some more obscure ones like DX In Your House popping up!
Cultaholic is actually carrying Wrestling TH-cam fr. Narrators, Script, Production, etc. Nice one again
it's the only channel i still regularly watch (yanno aside from stuff like botchamana or promo joe). all the other "big" wrasslin' channels i just watch a video here and there.
There's better
Ummm wrestling bios, wrestlingspremier, wrestle with Andy, osw review
@@EssexAggiegrad2011exfuckingactly
@@gqsmoove87 all the channels you mentioned are also top. Wrestling Bios is my best there but I don't like OSW review.
Fantastic new series from Fraser. 2nd episode was really great. Well done on this!
really enjoy him as the presenter (or whatever you call it). he does a great job.
This heel turn would have been more impactful had Luger done it against longtime friend Sting at that show. I know that WCW never had the time to rethink their plans, but there was definetly a way to do it.
Jim Herd being a regional manager of pizza hut always made me wonder if Michael Scott could be a booker
The internet wasn't available to the public until August in 1991 (honestly I was surprised it was that early, AOL 2.0 wasn't until 1994 and that's when it really took off). The news of Flair traveled in more traditional ways. I wonder when the Wrestling Observer started having online content?
It was a little late to be honest. Bryan Alveraz has talked about how the first time they tried with Meltzet the website was a disaster and then tried again a few years later and if worked much better.
It was a great run for WON. Hope Uncle Dave saved enough for his dementia
I watched this live when i was 14 and EVEN I wanted my parents money back !!! This show was nowhere near of deserving to be a Bash .
To be fair to Dusty - at least he wasn't Erik Watts' father
The way you described The Ding Dongs was hilarious. Great stuff Fraser, on your solo debut (I think?)
That’s better than the 1995 WCW ppv that had Dustin Rhodes v Black top Bully fighting on the 8 wheeler or Hogan v The Giant.
Thanks!
11:58 'Ahhh. It's too hot today.'
Perfect use of the 'Oh crap!' guy if I ever saw one. 😂
Fraser is so well-spoken it's a treat to listen to him
Jim Herd was the worst thing to happen to wrestling until Vince Russo came along
Tony Khan: Hold my beer.
Yo wuts good Fraser!!!! Proud of you bro 🤘🤘🙏🙏 Your vids are awesome 👌
is nobody gonna mention the fact that dustin and cody look a lot like each other when it comes to characters?! dustin was like the first american nightmare, but obviously not. omg its so cool!!
14:43 “Evening News” is hilarious to me!😂 great video!
More of this series please! King of the Ring 1995 next?
Already on channel 👌
I'm loving this style of video from you guys!
The point at which the dysfunctional behind the scenes management of WCW crawled in front of the camera and thus turned viewers away from the product, Herd's attitude was crazy bearing in mind that Flair was still WCW's number one draw at that time and thus one of the few performers who could hold the audience's attention.
The whole card was simply a massive exercise in bait and switch and it seemed that Herd wanted to insult the fans by putting together one of the worse shows of all time, which is ironic when you think about the fact that WCW had the ability to produce good tv.
Most PPV's that are bad are because the booking is nonsensical or the production values are lacking due to financial constraints, here what was visible to the fans was the fact that Jim Herd was clearly out of his depth.
In fairness, Flair has admitted that he was damaged goods in early '91, suffering from mental health issues and, in his own words "shouldn't have been champion at that point." The short haircut didn't help either. Maybe if Sting had stayed as champion and lost to Luger at GAB '91 with Luger turning on Sting in a babyface match and using Race and Hughes to help beat Sting.
I was at that house show in NJ. I was 15. I was so mad. "We Want Flair!" The chant was deafening.
Fun new series.
I kind if wish for this series they would borrow stuff from Triple Jump. Maybe a similar intro or the "beewoop" facts.
I love triple jump. You know the guys (Ben and Peter) used to work at what culture wrestling w the adams? I’m sure you do, they mention it a lot but, I thought it was pretty cool when I found out that 2 of the channels I was highly into had a connection lol
We want new merch. A fragrance called the arrogance of youth. Do it you cowards.
Wouldn't that just be rebranded Lynx Africa?
Sting is that one silver lining that can be spotted even in the worst thunderstorms. The respect and crowd love for him is honestly great.
Sting was always WCW’s golden boy. They tried keeping him fresh according to whatever was current too. He went from a surfer to a goth more or less and it somehow always worked
Appreciate the shout out @19:19 to the Two Drink Minimum channel, blokes. Like, subscribe and SHARE! ...Cheers!
Going to make T-shirt with Johnny B Badd and the word Pride on it because f*** feelings.
When is the episode on Victory Road 2011 coming?
17:47 There is a “glitch” at the beginning of this match on the Network version where Pillman looked at the camera and said off script, “Johnny don’t be Badd, Johnny be gay!!!”
Is that Bob Mould @1:54 behind Lex?
Why does everyone think Meltzer's opinion matters so much?
I don't. He's senile and worships Kenny Oliver and the Young F*cks
**sigh** Here we go... Jim Herd and his "wonderful" ideas.
I had no idea Sky Sports showed WCW events.
I remember watching the WWF on Sky One when Sky Television started in February 1989. My mate who lived next door to me got it just after it came out and the first show we watched was Summerslam 1989. We were so lucky that his parents got Sky Television, as 2 10 year old kids who had just become fans of the WWF!!
This event sounds great. I am going to watch it right now 👍
This background is real similar to the zordon background from OG power rangers
whenever I see Oz I immediately imagine the audio from the "Thats My Boy" scene in Goblet of Fire....
Even though this show was butchered, I will always have a soft spot for Bash 91... I attended one of the tour stops in New Jersey(ironically the show where Herd had the announcement made about Flair) and this was the first WCW PPV I ever ordered...
An entire show of demanding Flair and booing everything on the card? I think that beats out even Daniel Bryan at that one Wrestlemania and Royal Rumble and the CM Punk chants that reigned as long as they did.
How did your top come to be known as a jumper in the UK. Here in the states we might call it a sweater as they cause sweat. If your clothing naming process is anything like ours then someone put that top on an vamoosed over the edge of Royal Albert Hall...or maybe they were really just hopping around PC. Talk to me Ba!
This is one of the first PPVs I remember watching as a kid. It's phenomenal I wanted to see another one after this one.
One event for a future episode could be Backlash 2018.
This was the first WCW PPV that I watched and recorded. I still have the VHS tape now. It truly is an awful PPV.
GAB in Baltimore 1991 = I was there. Hadn't moved back to New Hampshire as of yet.
I love these so much, please keep this series going!
Based on Frasier's opening statement, I thought we were about to delve into Hell in a Cell 2019...
I hate it so much when six man tag matches that don't take place in Mexico are called "trios" matches.
It’s a match between 2 Trios, so… 🤷
2:10 don't forget Ronnie Garvin... And Ricky Steamboat... And Kerry Von Erich... Admittedly short term champs, but champs nonetheless
Harley and Sting were more important because they were Flair's predecessor and sucessor as long term champions. Starrcade '83 and GAB '90 were passing the torch moments.
@@kurtvanderbogarde8402 Fun Fact- Race actually won and lost the Title on Foreign Shows after Starrcade.
It was just never mentioned.
I honestly think a bald eagle flew down and ran its talons through Ricky Morton’s hair, because damn that mullet would bring a tear to the eye of Benjamin Franklin himself. I feel proud to be an American just looking at those locks.
2:09 i can see 👀👁️👁️ why they don't use this narrator too much, that thing he did when he said Rick Flair was so uncool, loser like and wannabe cool I cant believe he did that, like was that something that Ric Flair did or something? It was odd
I'm guessing, after having to double-modify the last match, that Herd had Rick pummel Anderson + Paul was he was hoping to make RS World champ at some point.
They just made off choices sometimes.
WrestleWar ‘89 didn’t end with the Flair/Steamboat match.
It ended with 2 different Tag Titles Matches.
The US Tag Match was the Main Event.
This show is at least fascinating in what a gigantic cluster**** it is. Both in the build up and the show itself.
Sting vs. Koloff and Luger vs. Windham (stupid heel turn aside) were at least decent.
Jim Herd, Eric Bischoff, Vince Russo, Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash and the NWO are the biggest demise and cancer of WCW.
being that I'm from Macon ga I'm pissed that I didn't get to see flair drop the belt to Windham . damn you pizza man
2:51 Daaaamn, its Nancy. R.I.P Nancy, the world 🌎 misses you.
Jim Herd didn't know sh!t about wrestling. He should've just let Ric drop the title to Luger. Herd's ego screwed WCW. Flair taking the belt to WWF created some intrigue & made Luger's title win questionable.
4:18 Must see to Must..E Musty was the word you needed there
I remember Barry Windham was Yellow Dog in Florida.
This 1992 Wargames was the last great WG . WCW just totally fucked up this match with more & more with weak builds and just boring 8-man anticlimactic results that never got any better than this 1992 10,man great match !!!
LOL imagine some random dude from a Pizza Hut trying to make Ric Flair take a pay cut 😆 I would have paid money to be a fly on that wall!!
Good job my man, loved the video, would love more history videos like this 😀
Morton and Gibson put on a pretty scientific and technical match. It's pretty good.
People wanted action and heat though.
@@TimTE01 Fair enough. I thought it told a good story, but given this was a tag team breakup feud, the fans probably expected brawling and head smashing.
Jim hurt the business
Hey guys, Jim Hard alt account here, the ding-dongs are the greatest tag team of all time
you got a thumbs just because of the Frazetta shoutout
The Wrestle Me Podcast also did an excellent piece on this, one of the craziest oddest PPV I've seen
This was a great watch; turn-of-the-decade WCW sure was something, eh?
Four dwarves = Gigante's pre-match meal. 🤡
The PN News commercials were hilarious . They were bad then and are horrid now . Good laugh !!!
Preferred WCW at any stage! Wrestling over cartoonish gimmicks!
2022-2023 WWE ppvs were pretty bad.
Oz was fantastic . He should have went over Ron
It killed skywalkers as bad as Kennedy did
Great presentation lovely voice
This got same music in Dave Knows Wrestling videos.
I don't remember Jim Ross being on WCW... hmm
We want Flair!
Quick reminder: LIVERPOOL TOP OF THE LEAGUE COME ON OUUUUHHH YEEEAAAAH MEEEEEN
Who was Black Blood?
Anohter great video, Fraser
Hey! Where’s the jobber?! We want jack! We want jack! We want jack!!!
Ooh this is a good sister series to Weirdest Episodes :D
Wait a second. A "to camera" video and weekend news co-anchor? PUHHH, the arrogance of youth.
That's clearly the sweater of someone who listens to Taylor Swift and Imagine Dragons, I can feel the arrogant smell from here...
Imagine Dragons were amazing 2012/2013. Before they were commercialized around 2015/2016.
Good video
BOOOOOOOOOOO
WE WANT FLAIR
*(in 1991)*
WE WANT FLAIR
*(in 1991)*
very good, well done fraser
Hi.
" Welcome to Oz, Welcome to Oz!! "
WCW was cool growing up, I hate politics.
11:58 - 12:12 I'm smoking a joint and laughed so hard at this lol!! Love the reference, worked perfectly ha.