Intentions matter. Swords are medieval and atom bum is modern. Did atom bum changed anything. Atom bum is yet another tool to threaten and terrorize natives. So called modern education made crooks and criminals like Khalifa Al Lundoni Chiknah Jinah, Bhuttos, Imran, Hafiz Syed etc.
He's so fearful of behemoth Pak Army that he shivers to accept the very basic fact that Pakistan's army started all three/four wars with India! No wonder Imran Khan is facing hell just for criticising Zameendaar General of DHA Army!
Strange argument. Pakistan dominated by Punjab is a martial region. In every martial society army dominates. Sometimes directly and sometimes behind the scenes. For example, US army wanted to invade Iraq. It didn’t matter if a civilian hawk like G W Bush was the civilian leader or a dove like Obama was the president. They all had to fall in line under the direction of the army. US army is so powerful that it has forced India to fall in line and form a quad. I mean India could have easily walked away by saying, we are the super power. And we don’t fear China. But no. India is shivering under the weight of US army and doing its bidding.
@JUST ONE No Hindu ever was allowed to own agricultural land in the fertile lands of West Punjab. You know the fact. Right? Typical ratio was 10 Muslim owned villages to one Sikh owned village. Some places had slightly more and some less. This ratio was established by successive Muslim dynasties. Maratha and Sikh rule was really brief. Not long enough to change this ratio of Muslim wealth vs Sikh wealth. Why. Mughals , Sikhs, Marathas, and then British everyone relied on the Punjabi Muslims warrior clans to rule the region.
The first person who went on stage and counter questioned Syed Sardar Ali ji, seems to be an ingenious guy with detailed study, observations and talented.
Sardar Ali sahaab ka thinking is THEORY only. Its like Newton's theorems. To make change in society you need implementation. Engineering produces products not Theoretical science laws though that is fundamental.
Hindutva is an identity that is thousands of year old despite the suppression for almost 1300 years. The flaw in this argument is the understanding of difference in “Hinduism” and Islam. Unfortunately few of the people from outside India are able to appreciate this particularly because they have limited understanding of religion popularly known as Abrahamic religions including Christianity and Islam. Christians have come out of the control of Church and created the most unique form of the government as democratic institutions.
I am from Indian and I disagree Dr Ali views on Nehru. Nehru socialism was a curse on India and we are facing consequences of that even today, its main reason why we are behind china and other countries. His biggest disaster cannot be ignored like nationalization of private enterprise, high taxation, Indo China Wars, non incentive license raj and pension system etc. Pakistani Academia should look into Broder perspective on Indian society and sacrifices average indian middle class make on daily basis and focus on Education.
As evidenced by commentor above, it is really difficult to make reforms when the population is not properly educated. It's easy enough for anybody to come along and brainwash people. This is what is currently happening in India, where the gains made by the country in 75 years are being reversed and the situation is blamed on Nehru. These uneducated people while blaming Nehru for India being behind China are far removed from simple facts such as how much of the Chinese economy continues to be state owned, and how much social sector spending does China do as percentage of GDP compared to India, and also how until 1980s, India was still ahead of China. India's lagging behind China correlates strongly with the creation and rise of BJP in the 1980s, but that could be a mere coincidence.
Sacrifices of Indian Middle Class is why India is where it is today. Today's generation of Indians may not know what and how Middle Class Indians faced rationing days. Green Revolution and White Revolution in India changed the economy. The economic progress of India started with Green Revolution not in 1990s with open market.
Nationalization was done by Indira Gandhi. Nehru was idealist who thought no one will harm us if we don’t harm anyone. We owe our present to the trio Nehru, Patel, and Ambedkar. Everyone had their flaws and no one is perfect. Uniform civil code by Ambedkar would have lifted the whole nation to another level. Hindu Civil code was opposed even by religious Hindus but Nehru forced it and uplifted all the women except Muslims.
True Nehruvian socialism put a chain around 1000 years old Indian industry. Nehru socialist /Marxist view also destroyed indian fabric by talking and threatening Muslim landowners with land reforms. If a capitalist was a leader instead, Muslim landowners would feel safe under Delhi rule.
Top down? Authoritarian period? What authoritarian period does this wise man have in mind? The Mogul rule? First military dictator rule that led to the breakup of Pakistan? Second military dictator rule that led to the mass murders and mass rapes? Third military dictator rule that transformed Pakistan from the Land of Pure into a Land of Vultures? The Black Hole should have a new title: The Hollow Hole.
Bhai aapka saara jo tazia revolves around pakistan and india . But if you look at the progress of other nations you will see authority positive reforms there without democracy. Exaples Peter the Great , Mahathir Deng Xiaoping, many more! Come on military now that has been dictators in Pakistan. who said that dictatorship is always good and noble?
@@Liabrarian 😂Lgta Hai Aap Bache Ho. Policy And Governance Me Fark Hota Hai. Ek Democracy Galat Policy Se Apni Country Ki Economy Barbaad Kr Skti Hai. Ek Authoritarian State Achi Policy Se Economy Me Acha Kr Skti Hai. Lekin Jo Dimagi Jehniyat, Jo Morals, Rationality Apko Ek Ache Democracy Me Milegi. Vo Kabhi Authoritarian State Me Nhi Milegi. Waha Ek Insaan Apni Marzi Se Kuch Bhi Kr Skta Hai. Agar Vo Insaan Samjhdar Hai To Mulk Thik Chalega. Agar Vo Jazbaati Nikla To Mulk Me Tabahi Layega. Dara Kr Kab Tak Rule Kiya Ja Skta Hai? China Aaj Top Pr Hai. Ho Skta Hai 100 Saal Baad Bhi Top Pr Rhe. Lekin 100 Saal Baad? Logo Ko Kab Tak Dara Kr Hukumat Ki Ja Skti Hai? Lekin Jab Apke Mulk Me Ek Achhi Democracy Hogi. To Koi Ek Insaan Aa Kr Sab Kuch Badal Nhi Skta.
First of all prof Syed needs to wash his ugly typical Pakistani face with a good facewash. Tooba tooba qasim ghori ghazni Babar Aurangzeb abdali nadir Shah Arab Turk Irani Afghans ki rape jihad ki paidash ghazi haji namazi aashiq rasool Pakistani itne badsoorat 😂😂😂
pervez bahi .. a small corrextion .1971 was again trusted by pakistan, Pakistan launched a series of air strikes against Indian air bases in the Western Sector, thus signalling the official beginning of the third Indo-Pak War
Your guest's thinking is tribal in nature. On the other hand the lady-anthropologist in audience had a truly worthy observation that matriarchy shapes patriarchy and we have to start from there. Singapore, China with single party rule is lacking in values. At the end of the day it is dictotarial/authoritarian wearing the modern dress. Modern dress is necessary for the survival of the authority. Today's reality is along with national identity (or more than national identity) you need ability to collaborate in an environment of continuous search for truth and excellence in an equitable and just and new value-creation orientation with inherent values of freedom and justice. A State is surrogate State until it is fully democratic in nature. A replacement for real until it is real. To surrogate is to Pretend truthfully until it is perfect and indeed perfect. It's an endless endeavor it would appear until you realize that that means of endeavor is the ultimate truth. That is the karma marg of Hinduism. Surrogation is is to pretend, belief and believe you are achieving or achieved until you actually achieve it. You are that which you think you are. If you think you are godly so are you. If you think you are no different to animal so are you.. If in your basic ideology there are no ingredients you will not succeed in building democracy. A lady asked about women and how they can progress in a society like Pakistan. Answer to her as well is this point. In your country's ideology as understood by your leaders they do not believe the ideology permits it. On the other hand we have Saudi Arabia which believes it does. You are all discussing about western scientific society and how it got developed without realizing your own rich ancestral past history in the old Hindu civilization. Several of the things science found much later were already part of our way of life when Chinese and Western travelers came to the old Hindustan. They systematically destroyed us as we ended up fighting each other internally. Democracy was the way of life in many kingdoms of our collective past history. British libraries have immense material on it if one wants to research it and find truth.
Where is the science in our religion or ancient India? Only the Chinese came to India to study Buddhism in Buddhist Universities of Nalanda nd Taxila?. They were not Hindu University. Hindus and Buddhists were not on cordial relations.
India was under the influence of Gandhi for almost 30 years before independence. Gandhi brought a completely new philosophy based on non-violence and truth that attracted not only Indians but a large population from Europe and US too. Gandhi’s influence in India was total for quite long until Nehru remained the Prime Minister who ruled the country with high ideals and established democracy firmly in India. Pakistan’s opportunities were limited since even Jinnah was a leader with very high ambitions who did not hesitate to raise stakes to achieve personal financial goals. Hence he sided with British and caused partition of the country. He declared himself the Governor General of the newly carved ‘Pakistan’. He was on the side of large land owners, all of them Muslims. Getting hold of an army that was about 30% of the total Indian army before partition he planned to force India by attacking the state of J&K on the eastern border of “West Pakistan” . He also attacked Baloch and other states on the western side of the West Pakistan. Gandhi Ji died early on 30 th Jan 1948 while Jinnah lost his life to Tuberculosis on 11th September 1948. Two nations were now in the hands of Congress in India and Muslim League in Pakistan. Congress was a party nurtured on high ideals of Mahatma Gandhi while Pakistan was left to Muslim league led by Liyaqat Ali. Development of the two nations is quite divergent and yet in its infancy.
Pakistan🇵🇰 do any number of sequence... No one to follow in Pakistan🇵🇰🇵🇰 this is truth...... All go in 4 different direction on sequence..... Army, ISI, ISPR, political, elite, administration
Pakistani’s hesitate to talk about “Taxshila” which is their heritage. The most well known institutions outside of India 2-3 thousand years ago is currently in the geographical limits of Pakistan today.
Real issue is MohMaddens in the subcontinent and Pakistanis in particular do not answer the question why their ancestors become MohMadden? None of them become MohMadden for seeking answers to existential questions like Who Am I, What's the purpose of life? etc
That’s derogatory view Sir. Such existential questions were asked in 1150s by the likes of baba Farid. They are the ones with such powerful message that even powerful Hindu Jaat tribes left their religion and Sikhism was born. If you study Guru Garanth Sahib, you’ll find whole chapters and poems directly copied from Punjabi Muslim Scholars and poets.
@@kdshak4904 Wrong! Religion R Created To Resolve The existing Issues In The Going Religion. Due To Malformed Caste System, Descrimination Started. And Many Different Ideologies Came Into Existence. It Doesnt Mean Islam Is Perfect. Everything Is Perfect. Lots Of People Converted To Get Rid Of Bad System In Hindusim. Lots Of People Were Forced To Convert. Globally Islamic rulers brought such policies to convert the people. Even today, in india, it happens. Go to some christian school or islamic school. There's some clever tricks played on children. Lots of polices cases, arrests have happened.
@@kdshak4904 That's is another big Lie told by Stockholm syndrome suffering MohMaddens (progeny of those who took Yahoodi names albeit bit Bedouinized ones) . Erdoo shayar EkBall's abbujan took Bedouinized Yahoodi name when caught red handed while doing corruption. Go and find out why Hariyanvi Rajpoot Bhutto took Bedouinized Yahoodi name in 17th century. Real history gets recorded in RNA. Few gen later these same Bhuttos sided Anglos for land grab in Sindh. Cowards, crooks & criminals take Bedouinized Yahoodi names, Romanized Yahoodi names... Today Bhuttos, Bandit NoWheru's progeny are rootless parasites. Billooo Begum & Pappu Gandy-Khan are same . ..
@JUST ONE That’s re-writing of history. Baba Nanak sahib started the movement about peaceful existence with other religions. This was in line with Mughal emperors dreams of “Deen-i-Elahi” so popularized by the likes of king /emperor Akbar. This had wonderful political and economic side. Mughals then allocated agricultural villages to Sikhs in West Punjab. Traditionally these lands were only allocated to Muslim warrior clans while Hindus were forbidden to own agricultural lands in west Punjab.
People ( in Pakistan) seem to be making fun of “Hindutva”, a word created to mock the Current Indian Government by their political opponents who came from the same society and were forcibly taken out by the invaders to support their combative styles to rule over the population but finally India came out along with Pakistan but Pakistan chose to create a new “religious rule” for them which is certainly an old and inappropriate idea worse than most alternatives.
Galileo was killed for his statement in favour of Heliocentric model in the sixteenth century while we have been worshiping “Navgriha” meaning nine planets for thousands of year before that. Pakistani’s were part of this civilisation but they deliberately abandoned it. You go to any Hindu temple and see those nine planets that they worship. I am not narrating here many modern theories stated in the four “Vedas” quite explicitly, my only request to the intellectuals in Pakistan is to keep their minds open and understand the beauty of the civilisation they belong to.
the west took time because the ideas were new and were being developed. In this age, if a country or section of the population refuses basic concepts like women's equality and scientific temper. even after India was secular for 75 years, religious groups have not progressed equally. even population growth is uneven, with a difference of almost 1. Anyone proposing religion as part of identity for Pakistan will push it over the edge.
That’s true. True Indian progress happened in Hindu dominated business class. They had cash and a bent towards mathematics (at least had to count money). Hindu communities especially in UP, Bihar that were agrarian class, they are as religious and backward minded as their Muslim agrarian counterparts.
@@kdshak4904 In UP and Bihar (I am myself from UP), Hindu communities in general are more service oriented rather than business oriented. Some Brahmin communities also took part in research in humanities (like sociology, linguistics, political science), however globalisation has changed that since 1990s. Muslims in my state are extremely conservative, and prefer to send their kids to madrasas and not public schools. This trend has increased since 1990s. In West Bengal, the government had to open a dedicated Madrasa Board because they refused to accept WB Board.
Syed Sardar Ali is way below the intellectuals who have been invited on this forum. In my opinion, he is a guy without any understanding of the modern education system but lectures on it. He uses e=mcsquare frequently without even knowing the basics of even Newtonian Mechanics ( forget about Einstein’s “ Special theory of relativity “).
Best to study and implement.... Just study today's indian 🇮🇳economic and foreign policy and follow the same...... No need to do any analysis.... Conditions are: 1. Abolish blasphemy law 2. Sound law and order situation 3. Conducive political environment 4. Shed terror camps 5. Restrictions on madrassa education, ruined country 6. No interference of army 7. Army business units should privatization... Army will not do business... New example army getting 43000 acre to do agriculture.... Army job is not agriculture. 8. Most important people should work.. 9. Women's should get equal opportunity in education and employment 10. All those are impossible to achieve in next 50 years.... So not possible to revive Pakistan🇵🇰🇵🇰.... Simple only analysis, lectures, opinion, but no one to listen in politico.....
Dr Hoodbhoy is either totally ignorant about India or he always says many things negative in order to please audiance due to fear of islam. Mr Ali is not a practical person and never comes to real issue (reason).
True. Dr hoodbhoy (most of pakistani) seems that hindutva is a extremist ideology (maybe few of people, But not full society). Hindutva is a cultural revival process (cultural roots, rational mindset, civilization ,no oppression on any religion or religious identities) Rss ke humanity programme without any religion base pakistani nehi dekha isi liye negetive mindset fela rha
This guy is crazy lol, all the events he told are necessary for development: 1. Authoritarian govt. 2. Socialism 3. Chinese example ( Mao period led to social modernization) all of these are disastrous for society. Pakistani intellectuals need to do better. Follow democracy, free market and make better countries as your role model not China.
Pakistani’s think that Democracy could just be implemented “like that”! Political leaders must first train the population and make them understand the meaning of democracy. Even in India where we claim to be a democratic society for last 75 years elections do not produce leaders who believe in democracy or are truly democratic. It was in the Nehru’s time when he tried to make people understand the meaning of democracy or now in Modi’s era when RSS is making efforts to build a democratic India. In this process Bhagvat Ji, chief of RSS has recently started visiting Mosque’s and discuss with Maulvis there to understand their perspective. Indian Muslims have many shades from those who are very civilised such as Arif Mohammad Khan Sahib who is very highly educated and have studied and understood many religions including Islam and Hinduism. His knowledge of Hinduism and Islam is probably at par with the sages and Maulvis. He looks at both the religion with utmost of respect and ancient wisdom. Then there are other extreme’s who are simply hate-mongers against the Hindus. All coexist. I think, even Parvez Hoodbhoy do not understand India correctly.
What this gentleman is suggesting, appears as if civilization is being framed for the first time. The issue with our state is not system but people behind it are not prepared to let it work.
yeh kala bhoot turkish logon ke baare me aisa bol raha hai jaisa isi ke khudke baap dada them 🤣🤣 , main reason why pakistan will stay that way they are
Are Bhai instead of taking Pakistan to European environment please keep yourself in the environment you belong to. The problem is ,” Jinnah removed it from there and tried to create a new environment who he envisioned without any vision of his own, ie “Islamic state”. Had you remained in the environment both India and Pakistan would be much bigger than what they are today, certainly bigger than China.
@@echosmith5256 Haha. Miltary and simp. Haga Spending much time on porn sites? Seriously , listen to all of his 12 lectures so far. He is full of praise for industrial and political policies of India. Kargil is a tiny blip on 1000s of years of history. This guy is perhaps the best reader of philosophy not only of Pakistan India but especially Western Europe.
@@kdshak4904 Arab Turk Irani Afghans ki begairat behaya mughaliya khwateens se hue rape jihad ki paidaisho ki mughaliya ghazi begum aur baaji ka sakafati muzra deekhne porn sites par hi Jana padta hai , inshallah mashallah 😂😂😂
The problem is not about system. The problem is about intention to deliver. Yes for country like us to deliver we need benign dictatorship like one in Singapore and China. India is not a benchmark. But we have done so poor that India and Bangladesh look far better models. If democracy alone had been the panacea India's performance should have been at least equal to China or 100 times better than Singapore at least.
China modernized by reducing trade tariffs, opening stock market and allowing capitalism in its major cities. Not because of authoritative Communism. He Skipped the chapter of Authoritarian Mao which killed millions of people. India is behind China not because of Democracy. But because we were a communist nation for up until 1990s. Then we started doing what China did in 70s i.e. opening up our domestic market for trade with the west
Use your brain bro. People like this are taking your country in a completely wrong direction. Secularism, Democracy and Capitalism is the tried and tested way to go forward. And Pakistan failed because it never had either of them.
At 56:30, Syed lost the whole argument. He is no different than the average pak denier, Pak started the wars & lost. And every war dented the whole state.
The speaker has a fundamentally flawed understanding of chinese economic success .... the chinese economy is going to crash and burn within a decade .... will be interrsting to hear howhe analyses that when ithappens
Japan and Germany attacked other larger countries and still flourished, so again Hoodbhoy is wrong as always. Syed Sardar Ali is also wrong about our identity being Muslim instead of Pakistani. Let me give you an example of why Muslim nationalism is too broad to have any benefit. A human being is also a living thing. Mr. Aslam says one day that I refuse to accept the identity of a human being and will adopt the identity of a living thing instead. He studies in a book that plants are living things that make their own food through photosynthesis. "If other living things can make their own food, I can too!" he exclaims and rushes out into scorching sunlight. After a few hours, he starts feeling unwell, but refuses to accept his more specific identity of a human being. Eventually, his delusion kills him after he develops a heat stroke.
They had enough capital and they didn't follow extreme ideology that created barriers for development thereafter. Leave aside war, Pakistan cannot afford development. All intellectuals of your country are suddenly facing identity crisis. Why? If you know that you are ready to eat grass for the sake of war, you're most welcome. Others are not such spineless like Pakistan.
Catch up with the west ??? Pakistanis-- please get your priorities straight...Maybe its better to plan for - How to catch up with mid income Asian states first ?...FOr heavens, only after Pakistan stands on its own can it even dream of catching up with the west...
The original Arabic word "aurat" refers to a woman's private parts, which are considered to be sacred and intimate. its a derogatory word, stop using that.-
What stupid stuff do they keep discussing on their such advanced level meets? This is fundamental common sense stuff. Even a 5th grade child will know all this. Non sensical.
@@ibratnak well india is definitely working for providing rape jihad born inbred madrassa chap namazi aashiq rasool Muslims of India with riyasat madina wala experience so "islamic Republic" of hira Mandi Pakistan should work towards realising dream of its rape jihadi namazi ghazi Arab Turk Irani Afghans qasim ghori ghazni Babar Aurangzeb nadir Shah abdali Abbas 😂😂
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Education for the sake of education was a cultural phenomenon in India for a long time. China had a similar tradition.
Only higher cates particularly Brahmins used to get education.
@@sureshpandey9485 Definitely not true today. Now education is a craze all throughout the spectrum
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The education for different communities was different in character. We didn't have common schooling system.
For transformation, we must change our thinking through modern education and free thinking
Intentions matter. Swords are medieval and atom bum is modern. Did atom bum changed anything. Atom bum is yet another tool to threaten and terrorize natives. So called modern education made crooks and criminals like Khalifa Al Lundoni Chiknah Jinah, Bhuttos, Imran, Hafiz Syed etc.
He's so fearful of behemoth Pak Army that he shivers to accept the very basic fact that Pakistan's army started all three/four wars with India! No wonder Imran Khan is facing hell just for criticising Zameendaar General of DHA Army!
Yup. Agreed.
Strange argument. Pakistan dominated by Punjab is a martial region. In every martial society army dominates. Sometimes directly and sometimes behind the scenes.
For example, US army wanted to invade Iraq. It didn’t matter if a civilian hawk like G W Bush was the civilian leader or a dove like Obama was the president. They all had to fall in line under the direction of the army.
US army is so powerful that it has forced India to fall in line and form a quad. I mean India could have easily walked away by saying, we are the super power. And we don’t fear China.
But no. India is shivering under the weight of US army and doing its bidding.
@JUST ONE
No Hindu ever was allowed to own agricultural land in the fertile lands of West Punjab.
You know the fact. Right?
Typical ratio was 10 Muslim owned villages to one Sikh owned village. Some places had slightly more and some less. This ratio was established by successive Muslim dynasties. Maratha and Sikh rule was really brief. Not long enough to change this ratio of Muslim wealth vs Sikh wealth. Why. Mughals , Sikhs, Marathas, and then British everyone relied on the Punjabi Muslims warrior clans to rule the region.
The first person who went on stage and counter questioned Syed Sardar Ali ji, seems to be an ingenious guy with detailed study, observations and talented.
Lp😮😊😮
Sardar Ali sahaab ka thinking is THEORY only. Its like Newton's theorems. To make change in society you need implementation. Engineering produces products not Theoretical science laws though that is fundamental.
what a remarkable debate it was, amazing
Very educative and eye opening. 👏👏
Hindutva is an identity that is thousands of year old despite the suppression for almost 1300 years. The flaw in this argument is the understanding of difference in “Hinduism” and Islam. Unfortunately few of the people from outside India are able to appreciate this particularly because they have limited understanding of religion popularly known as Abrahamic religions including Christianity and Islam.
Christians have come out of the control of Church and created the most unique form of the government as democratic institutions.
Love to see
I m from india
I am from Indian and I disagree Dr Ali views on Nehru. Nehru socialism was a curse on India and we are facing consequences of that even today, its main reason why we are behind china and other countries. His biggest disaster cannot be ignored like nationalization of private enterprise, high taxation, Indo China Wars, non incentive license raj and pension system etc. Pakistani Academia should look into Broder perspective on Indian society and sacrifices average indian middle class make on daily basis and focus on Education.
As evidenced by commentor above, it is really difficult to make reforms when the population is not properly educated. It's easy enough for anybody to come along and brainwash people. This is what is currently happening in India, where the gains made by the country in 75 years are being reversed and the situation is blamed on Nehru. These uneducated people while blaming Nehru for India being behind China are far removed from simple facts such as how much of the Chinese economy continues to be state owned, and how much social sector spending does China do as percentage of GDP compared to India, and also how until 1980s, India was still ahead of China. India's lagging behind China correlates strongly with the creation and rise of BJP in the 1980s, but that could be a mere coincidence.
Sacrifices of Indian Middle Class is why India is where it is today. Today's generation of Indians may not know what and how Middle Class Indians faced rationing days.
Green Revolution and White Revolution in India changed the economy. The economic progress of India started with Green Revolution not in 1990s with open market.
Nationalization was done by Indira Gandhi. Nehru was idealist who thought no one will harm us if we don’t harm anyone. We owe our present to the trio Nehru, Patel, and Ambedkar. Everyone had their flaws and no one is perfect. Uniform civil code by Ambedkar would have lifted the whole nation to another level. Hindu Civil code was opposed even by religious Hindus but Nehru forced it and uplifted all the women except Muslims.
True
Nehruvian socialism put a chain around 1000 years old Indian industry.
Nehru socialist /Marxist view also destroyed indian fabric by talking and threatening Muslim landowners with land reforms. If a capitalist was a leader instead, Muslim landowners would feel safe under Delhi rule.
@@R.kandaswamy that’s true.
Modern day Pakistan has produced many Matin Luther’s. Baba Farid, Baba Bulleh Shah, and Baba Guru Nanak.
then pakistan threw them all out in order to go back to the pillaging pedo
Top down? Authoritarian period? What authoritarian period does this wise man have in mind? The Mogul rule? First military dictator rule that led to the breakup of Pakistan? Second military dictator rule that led to the mass murders and mass rapes? Third military dictator rule that transformed Pakistan from the Land of Pure into a Land of Vultures? The Black Hole should have a new title: The Hollow Hole.
Bhai aapka saara jo tazia revolves around pakistan and india .
But if you look at the progress of other nations you will see authority positive reforms there without democracy. Exaples Peter the Great , Mahathir
Deng Xiaoping, many more!
Come on military now that has been dictators in Pakistan. who said that dictatorship is always good and noble?
@@Liabrarian 😂Lgta Hai Aap Bache Ho. Policy And Governance Me Fark Hota Hai.
Ek Democracy Galat Policy Se Apni Country Ki Economy Barbaad Kr Skti Hai.
Ek Authoritarian State Achi Policy Se Economy Me Acha Kr Skti Hai.
Lekin Jo Dimagi Jehniyat, Jo Morals, Rationality Apko Ek Ache Democracy Me Milegi. Vo Kabhi Authoritarian State Me Nhi Milegi. Waha Ek Insaan Apni Marzi Se Kuch Bhi Kr Skta Hai.
Agar Vo Insaan Samjhdar Hai To Mulk Thik Chalega. Agar Vo Jazbaati Nikla To Mulk Me Tabahi Layega.
Dara Kr Kab Tak Rule Kiya Ja Skta Hai? China Aaj Top Pr Hai. Ho Skta Hai 100 Saal Baad Bhi Top Pr Rhe. Lekin 100 Saal Baad? Logo Ko Kab Tak Dara Kr Hukumat Ki Ja Skti Hai?
Lekin Jab Apke Mulk Me Ek Achhi Democracy Hogi. To Koi Ek Insaan Aa Kr Sab Kuch Badal Nhi Skta.
Pakistan did economically well during 1947-1970 as they colonized current Bangladesh. Professor Ali needs to consider this.
First of all prof Syed needs to wash his ugly typical Pakistani face with a good facewash. Tooba tooba qasim ghori ghazni Babar Aurangzeb abdali nadir Shah Arab Turk Irani Afghans ki rape jihad ki paidash ghazi haji namazi aashiq rasool Pakistani itne badsoorat 😂😂😂
pervez bahi .. a small corrextion .1971 was again trusted by pakistan, Pakistan launched a series of air strikes against Indian air bases in the Western Sector, thus signalling the official beginning of the third Indo-Pak War
Your guest's thinking is tribal in nature. On the other hand the lady-anthropologist in audience had a truly worthy observation that matriarchy shapes patriarchy and we have to start from there.
Singapore, China with single party rule is lacking in values. At the end of the day it is dictotarial/authoritarian wearing the modern dress. Modern dress is necessary for the survival of the authority.
Today's reality is along with national identity (or more than national identity) you need ability to collaborate in an environment of continuous search for truth and excellence in an equitable and just and new value-creation orientation with inherent values of freedom and justice.
A State is surrogate State until it is fully democratic in nature. A replacement for real until it is real. To surrogate is to Pretend truthfully until it is perfect and indeed perfect. It's an endless endeavor it would appear until you realize that that means of endeavor is the ultimate truth. That is the karma marg of Hinduism. Surrogation is is to pretend, belief and believe you are achieving or achieved until you actually achieve it. You are that which you think you are. If you think you are godly so are you. If you think you are no different to animal so are you..
If in your basic ideology there are no ingredients you will not succeed in building democracy. A lady asked about women and how they can progress in a society like Pakistan. Answer to her as well is this point. In your country's ideology as understood by your leaders they do not believe the ideology permits it. On the other hand we have Saudi Arabia which believes it does.
You are all discussing about western scientific society and how it got developed without realizing your own rich ancestral past history in the old Hindu civilization. Several of the things science found much later were already part of our way of life when Chinese and Western travelers came to the old Hindustan. They systematically destroyed us as we ended up fighting each other internally. Democracy was the way of life in many kingdoms of our collective past history. British libraries have immense material on it if one wants to research it and find truth.
Isn't that Hindu civilization when rockets were made several thousand years ago ?
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No but it had enough science for their times. For our times now, India caught up and have it. What have you.
Where is the science in our religion or ancient India? Only the Chinese came to India to study Buddhism in Buddhist Universities of Nalanda nd Taxila?. They were not Hindu University. Hindus and Buddhists were not on cordial relations.
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India was under the influence of Gandhi for almost 30 years before independence. Gandhi brought a completely new philosophy based on non-violence and truth that attracted not only Indians but a large population from Europe and US too. Gandhi’s influence in India was total for quite long until Nehru remained the Prime Minister who ruled the country with high ideals and established democracy firmly in India.
Pakistan’s opportunities were limited since even Jinnah was a leader with very high ambitions who did not hesitate to raise stakes to achieve personal financial goals. Hence he sided with British and caused partition of the country. He declared himself the Governor General of the newly carved ‘Pakistan’. He was on the side of large land owners, all of them Muslims. Getting hold of an army that was about 30% of the total Indian army before partition he planned to force India by attacking the state of J&K on the eastern border of “West Pakistan” . He also attacked Baloch and other states on the western side of the West Pakistan.
Gandhi Ji died early on 30 th Jan 1948 while Jinnah lost his life to Tuberculosis on 11th September 1948.
Two nations were now in the hands of Congress in India and Muslim League in Pakistan. Congress was a party nurtured on high ideals of Mahatma Gandhi while Pakistan was left to Muslim league led by Liyaqat Ali.
Development of the two nations is quite divergent and yet in its infancy.
Pakistan🇵🇰 do any number of sequence... No one to follow in Pakistan🇵🇰🇵🇰 this is truth......
All go in 4 different direction on sequence..... Army, ISI, ISPR, political, elite, administration
Pakistani’s hesitate to talk about “Taxshila” which is their heritage. The most well known institutions outside of India 2-3 thousand years ago is currently in the geographical limits of Pakistan today.
Real issue is MohMaddens in the subcontinent and Pakistanis in particular do not answer the question why their ancestors become MohMadden? None of them become MohMadden for seeking answers to existential questions like Who Am I, What's the purpose of life? etc
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That’s derogatory view Sir.
Such existential questions were asked in 1150s by the likes of baba Farid. They are the ones with such powerful message that even powerful Hindu Jaat tribes left their religion and Sikhism was born. If you study Guru Garanth Sahib, you’ll find whole chapters and poems directly copied from Punjabi Muslim Scholars and poets.
@@kdshak4904 Wrong!
Religion R Created To Resolve The existing Issues In The Going Religion.
Due To Malformed Caste System, Descrimination Started. And Many Different Ideologies Came Into Existence.
It Doesnt Mean Islam Is Perfect. Everything Is Perfect.
Lots Of People Converted To Get Rid Of Bad System In Hindusim. Lots Of People Were Forced To Convert.
Globally Islamic rulers brought such policies to convert the people.
Even today, in india, it happens. Go to some christian school or islamic school. There's some clever tricks played on children. Lots of polices cases, arrests have happened.
@@kdshak4904 That's is another big Lie told by Stockholm syndrome suffering MohMaddens (progeny of those who took Yahoodi names albeit bit Bedouinized ones) . Erdoo shayar EkBall's abbujan took Bedouinized Yahoodi name when caught red handed while doing corruption. Go and find out why Hariyanvi Rajpoot Bhutto took Bedouinized Yahoodi name in 17th century. Real history gets recorded in RNA. Few gen later these same Bhuttos sided Anglos for land grab in Sindh. Cowards, crooks & criminals take Bedouinized Yahoodi names, Romanized Yahoodi names... Today Bhuttos, Bandit NoWheru's progeny are rootless parasites. Billooo Begum & Pappu Gandy-Khan are same . ..
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That’s re-writing of history.
Baba Nanak sahib started the movement about peaceful existence with other religions. This was in line with Mughal emperors dreams of “Deen-i-Elahi” so popularized by the likes of king /emperor Akbar.
This had wonderful political and economic side. Mughals then allocated agricultural villages to Sikhs in West Punjab. Traditionally these lands were only allocated to Muslim warrior clans while Hindus were forbidden to own agricultural lands in west Punjab.
pervez sir is gutsy
People ( in Pakistan) seem to be making fun of “Hindutva”, a word created to mock the Current Indian Government by their political opponents who came from the same society and were forcibly taken out by the invaders to support their combative styles to rule over the population but finally India came out along with Pakistan but Pakistan chose to create a new “religious rule” for them which is certainly an old and inappropriate idea worse than most alternatives.
Galileo was killed for his statement in favour of Heliocentric model in the sixteenth century while we have been worshiping “Navgriha” meaning nine planets for thousands of year before that. Pakistani’s were part of this civilisation but they deliberately abandoned it. You go to any Hindu temple and see those nine planets that they worship.
I am not narrating here many modern theories stated in the four “Vedas” quite explicitly, my only request to the intellectuals in Pakistan is to keep their minds open and understand the beauty of the civilisation they belong to.
the west took time because the ideas were new and were being developed. In this age, if a country or section of the population refuses basic concepts like women's equality and scientific temper. even after India was secular for 75 years, religious groups have not progressed equally. even population growth is uneven, with a difference of almost 1. Anyone proposing religion as part of identity for Pakistan will push it over the edge.
That’s true. True Indian progress happened in Hindu dominated business class. They had cash and a bent towards mathematics (at least had to count money).
Hindu communities especially in UP, Bihar that were agrarian class, they are as religious and backward minded as their Muslim agrarian counterparts.
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In UP and Bihar (I am myself from UP), Hindu communities in general are more service oriented rather than business oriented. Some Brahmin communities also took part in research in humanities (like sociology, linguistics, political science), however globalisation has changed that since 1990s.
Muslims in my state are extremely conservative, and prefer to send their kids to madrasas and not public schools. This trend has increased since 1990s. In West Bengal, the government had to open a dedicated Madrasa Board because they refused to accept WB Board.
Syed Sardar Ali is way below the intellectuals who have been invited on this forum. In my opinion, he is a guy without any understanding of the modern education system but lectures on it.
He uses e=mcsquare frequently without even knowing the basics of even Newtonian Mechanics ( forget about Einstein’s “ Special theory of relativity “).
Best to study and implement.... Just study today's indian 🇮🇳economic and foreign policy and follow the same...... No need to do any analysis.... Conditions are:
1. Abolish blasphemy law
2. Sound law and order situation
3. Conducive political environment
4. Shed terror camps
5. Restrictions on madrassa education, ruined country
6. No interference of army
7. Army business units should privatization... Army will not do business... New example army getting 43000 acre to do agriculture.... Army job is not agriculture.
8. Most important people should work..
9. Women's should get equal opportunity in education and employment
10. All those are impossible to achieve in next 50 years.... So not possible to revive Pakistan🇵🇰🇵🇰.... Simple only analysis, lectures, opinion, but no one to listen in politico.....
What about shredding islamic identity and be secular ? ie. getting away with 2 nation theory.
Dr Hoodbhoy is either totally ignorant about India or he always says many things negative in order to please audiance due to fear of islam. Mr Ali is not a practical person and never comes to real issue (reason).
True. Dr hoodbhoy (most of pakistani) seems that hindutva is a extremist ideology (maybe few of people, But not full society). Hindutva is a cultural revival process (cultural roots, rational mindset, civilization ,no oppression on any religion or religious identities)
Rss ke humanity programme without any religion base pakistani nehi dekha isi liye negetive mindset fela rha
Dr hoodbhoyis quite the ignoramus when it comes to india
This guy is crazy lol, all the events he told are necessary for development:
1. Authoritarian govt.
2. Socialism
3. Chinese example ( Mao period led to social modernization)
all of these are disastrous for society.
Pakistani intellectuals need to do better.
Follow democracy, free market and make better countries as your role model not China.
Pakistani’s think that Democracy could just be implemented “like that”! Political leaders must first train the population and make them understand the meaning of democracy. Even in India where we claim to be a democratic society for last 75 years elections do not produce leaders who believe in democracy or are truly democratic. It was in the Nehru’s time when he tried to make people understand the meaning of democracy or now in Modi’s era when RSS is making efforts to build a democratic India. In this process Bhagvat Ji, chief of RSS has recently started visiting Mosque’s and discuss with Maulvis there to understand their perspective. Indian Muslims have many shades from those who are very civilised such as Arif Mohammad Khan Sahib who is very highly educated and have studied and understood many religions including Islam and Hinduism. His knowledge of Hinduism and Islam is probably at par with the sages and Maulvis. He looks at both the religion with utmost of respect and ancient wisdom. Then there are other extreme’s who are simply hate-mongers against the Hindus. All coexist.
I think, even Parvez Hoodbhoy do not understand India correctly.
What this gentleman is suggesting, appears as if civilization is being framed for the first time. The issue with our state is not system but people behind it are not prepared to let it work.
ڈاکٹر ہود بھائ صاحب کی ڈبیٹ حصل مطالعہ ہے۔
Why not with China?
Pervez Sir's voice sounds fragile. Wish he gets better.
yeh kala bhoot turkish logon ke baare me aisa bol raha hai jaisa isi ke khudke baap dada them 🤣🤣 , main reason why pakistan will stay that way they are
Sardar bhai, fauj to saare mulko ke paas hain, par unregulated and uncontrolled fauj kisike paas nahi.
Many times sardar sahab contradicts himself.
China ne apni mazhabi identity mita di tabhi woh sudhar gaye. Kya pakistan yeh kar payega ? Pakistani to reverse jana chahate hain.
Are Bhai instead of taking Pakistan to European environment please keep yourself in the environment you belong to. The problem is ,” Jinnah removed it from there and tried to create a new environment who he envisioned without any vision of his own, ie “Islamic state”. Had you remained in the environment both India and Pakistan would be much bigger than what they are today, certainly bigger than China.
Would Sardar Sahab state his view of Kargil war?
That’s a really narrow topic. It’s like someone is reading Shakespeare, and you ask, what did he have for breakfast. 🤣🤣
@@kdshak4904 It has no relevance for the topic
@@kdshak4904 It's a way to establish whether he's a trustworthy source. Sardar is not, he's a military simp.
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Haha. Miltary and simp. Haga
Spending much time on porn sites?
Seriously , listen to all of his 12 lectures so far. He is full of praise for industrial and political policies of India.
Kargil is a tiny blip on 1000s of years of history. This guy is perhaps the best reader of philosophy not only of Pakistan India but especially Western Europe.
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Pakistanis ko Mathematics aur , Science kay subjects mein sirf Koran hee parhtay rehna chahiye Sarey ilma aa jaayengay.
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1940 se elections BJP jheet rhi hai, 🤣🤣🤣2:12:11
He doesn't even know that BJP was founded in 1980 🤣🤣
This is the level of education in Paxtan 😂
@@khittaykachoudhary2360 he wanted to say 2014
The problem is not about system. The problem is about intention to deliver. Yes for country like us to deliver we need benign dictatorship like one in Singapore and China. India is not a benchmark. But we have done so poor that India and Bangladesh look far better models. If democracy alone had been the panacea India's performance should have been at least equal to China or 100 times better than Singapore at least.
China modernized by reducing trade tariffs, opening stock market and allowing capitalism in its major cities. Not because of authoritative Communism. He Skipped the chapter of Authoritarian Mao which killed millions of people.
India is behind China not because of Democracy. But because we were a communist nation for up until 1990s. Then we started doing what China did in 70s i.e. opening up our domestic market for trade with the west
Use your brain bro. People like this are taking your country in a completely wrong direction. Secularism, Democracy and Capitalism is the tried and tested way to go forward.
And Pakistan failed because it never had either of them.
At 56:30, Syed lost the whole argument. He is no different than the average pak denier, Pak started the wars & lost. And every war dented the whole state.
People like Syed Ali shouldn’t be asked to speak in this forum. He is a completely ignorant guy.
The speaker has a fundamentally flawed understanding of chinese economic success .... the chinese economy is going to crash and burn within a decade .... will be interrsting to hear howhe analyses that when ithappens
US accent se kaam nahi chalega bhai
Japan and Germany attacked other larger countries and still flourished, so again Hoodbhoy is wrong as always. Syed Sardar Ali is also wrong about our identity being Muslim instead of Pakistani. Let me give you an example of why Muslim nationalism is too broad to have any benefit. A human being is also a living thing. Mr. Aslam says one day that I refuse to accept the identity of a human being and will adopt the identity of a living thing instead. He studies in a book that plants are living things that make their own food through photosynthesis. "If other living things can make their own food, I can too!" he exclaims and rushes out into scorching sunlight. After a few hours, he starts feeling unwell, but refuses to accept his more specific identity of a human being. Eventually, his delusion kills him after he develops a heat stroke.
They had enough capital and they didn't follow extreme ideology that created barriers for development thereafter. Leave aside war, Pakistan cannot afford development. All intellectuals of your country are suddenly facing identity crisis. Why? If you know that you are ready to eat grass for the sake of war, you're most welcome. Others are not such spineless like Pakistan.
Catch up with the west ??? Pakistanis-- please get your priorities straight...Maybe its better to plan for - How to catch up with mid income Asian states first ?...FOr heavens, only after Pakistan stands on its own can it even dream of catching up with the west...
The original Arabic word "aurat" refers to a woman's private parts, which are considered to be sacred and intimate. its a derogatory word, stop using that.-
Hoodbhoy u are prejudiced to India...how can a country grow where hatred is practiced..and India is growing continue.plz do ur research properly
Bangladesh me kon surrogate state hai jo progress ho raha hai...👌👌👌👌👌
Sh Mujib’s daughter and military leadership had destroyed the opposition. They are in effect a surrogate state now.
Thanks black hole
Syed Sardar Ali seems to be manipulating his own statements? Either he is completely idio…or extremely intelligent.
I India More than 40% of the wealth created in the country from 2012 to 2021 had gone to just 1% of the population.
Sabsey Pehlay to AAP ko Ghabrana Nahi hai.
Imran Lao , Pakistan Bachao & Isey Riyast-e-Madina Banao.
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What stupid stuff do they keep discussing on their such advanced level meets? This is fundamental common sense stuff. Even a 5th grade child will know all this. Non sensical.
Actually Pakistani need riyaste madeena first....
It first has to return to initial phase of Islam and then reform it...👌
If that is true, implement in India first, then we will follow if it succeeds.
IK is working on it. With the help of Islamic philosophers like Lal Topi, Maqbool Jan etc and Taliban, soon IK will make Riyasat e Madina in Pakistan.
@@ibratnak pakistan was made on la ilaha. why should we follow kafir hindoos.
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