Understanding the Pakistan Puzzle in Light of Big History | Syed Sardar Ali
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 พ.ย. 2022
- For 190 thousand years human life depended upon the bounties of nature. Agriculture, the imitation of nature by humans, evolved for five millenniums before it could sustain complex societies. In the resulting archetype of industrial civilization, society forms the base that drives production - a reversal of the causal relationship between society and production.
In this session of “Bazm-e-Tareekh-O-Adab”, Syed Sardar Ali will talk about his general theory of production, society and civilization and link it with Pakistan puzzle in light of big history.
About the Speaker:
Syed Sardar Ali did his F.Sc. from Govt. College Lahore and Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering from the University of Texas at Austin. He earned his first master’s degree in International Relations from Japan and worked for Sony Corporation and the Industrial Bank of Japan in Tokyo. He later earned Master in Public Administration (MPA) from Harvard where he was a student of Prof. Samuel Huntington. Upon graduation he joined the World Bank in Washington, DC and worked in the Financial and Private Sector Unit in the Europe and Central Asia region until 2002. Sardar Ali, who runs a number of businesses in Islamabad and Lahore, is the Chairperson of Crescent Foundation.
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I want to ask one question to the speaker. If Hindus and Muslims can't live together due to different names, cultures etc. Then why on the first opportunity Muslims run towards the US, UK etc western countries? Why don't you go to Arab, Afghanistan, African countries where name, religion and ideas like ser tan se juda etc match perfectly?
No! That is not true that Hindus and Muslims cannot live together after all we have been living together for a thousand years…..
@@mohsinafzaal7159 "Hindu and Muslim can't live together"
Pakistan's founding father, intellectuals, politicians, Mullahs, Generals and society believe in this.
Our earlier generations did not believe in it for 60 years.
But now, we think that it is our moral responsibility to prove our neighbour right. So, we elected Modi as PM and will elect Yogi next PM.
@@Mussadi_Lal 2 wrongs doesn’t make one right! Islamic extremism has destroyed Pakistan! You can choose who ever you want to choose …. 🙏
Pakistanis migrate to other countries for economic reasons. And majority of those emigrants are of liberal attitude. Pakistanis do migrate and live in Arabia other places.
@@mohsinafzaal7159
Majority of that 1000 years was under some sort of Muslim rule or as Muslim warriors for kings. Then British came and conquered much of the land. When the turn of Hindu dominated majoritarian rule was looming in the 1940s, Muslims chose to live in a separate country. Because they were fearful of living with Hindus.
Has anyone in this audience actually visited and stayed in India to experience how the Muslims of India are actually living and enjoying the benefits of the Indian constitution and government. I will guess none.
He has a very topographic knowledge of the subject. Needs to know and learn more.
He is really a very intellectual person and his thought are very deep learning and very rational and progressive and Well framed .
Really his knowledge make me a knowledgeble Person so thankyou Hood boye ji .
I am from india and love you .
my best wishes to you.
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Very superficial, continent, generalists and comforting conversations. Let’s cheers.
Knowledge of Science is back bone of a society /country......
Agree with the speaker in all things. Specially, on the materialist fundamentals that birthed the modern world.
There is another realization. I had been a critique of the BJP & RSS earlier, and even with the economic development have been sceptical of them. I have also tried to argue against the 2-Nation Theory for all my life. But the clarity of the speaker on the question of Two Nation Theory has slapped me into senses.
I had never tried to imagine myself has a Non-muslim in Pakistan. I paused the video and spent a week researching that.
Now I am clear why we are fundamentally different people. Now I expect the BJP, any democratic party or any other Indian Institution to treat the Muslim of India at par with the Non-muslim in Pakistan. A civilizational hostile alien who does not resemble my people in any way, and someone who will surely inflict wanton harm on my people in the future.
I am honestly going to imbibe all I learnt from this video into every Hindu I manage to find, specially children. This civilization needs a hard reset for a paradigm change, at the conceptual, technological and societal level.
Thank you.
Really brilliant lecture.
The change from agrarian society to an industrial society is only about 400 years but not more than 500 years. But not 800 years Mr syed ali.
Mr. Syed Ali If the 2 nation was right, then why did East Pakistan split from West Pakistan to form their own country of Bangladesh.
Profound thought, deep insight. At times, the analysis gravitates towards sort of biased and lopsided conclusions. Overall, sovereignty of reason has been maintained. Good session - rich in scope and content.
At 1:12:36 the speaker says " here we grew wheat ... " .. actually he is talking about early Indian / Hindu civilisation.... he did mention word " chinese " but consciously didn't mention Indian or Hindu ( he can't say Pakistan bcoz there was no Pakistan than, or Islam for that matter) . When it comes to criticizing Indian / Hindus, he comfortably does it. Also, here he ( pakistan) is taking credit for it in disguise..
Everyone here is confusing geographical terms with religious terms with administrative units.
Administrative units change all the time. Religions come and go. Geography too changed but at a much slower pace.
It’s funny when people in the Southern/coastal states (for example Tamils) can lay claims on Punjab or Sindh in Pakistan .
Oh brother you can’t speak their language and you are not used to their culture.
Instead of being respectful, you jump and them forcing them to buy into your prejudices.
It’s the same ignorance that some Europeans had, but they learned their lesson in WW2.
Indians and Pakistanis will hopefully learn the same lesson of mutual respect without millions of deaths.
Peace.
Salutes to all intellectuals of Pakistan, love and respect to all, I love all programs.
Good talk. And the speaker proved one thing right. Muslim and fundamentalism are same and one thing. As per speaker Hindus and Muslims have different names, cultures etc so can't live together. And hence indirectly supporting the elimination, forced conversions etc of minorities in Pakistan because Hindu and Muslim can't live together so one has to be eliminated from Pakistan and that one is minorities.
If scientific education can't open the mind of rational muslim and he still belive that Muslim and non muslims can't live together.
then blame on Mullah and illiterate muslim for fundamental extreme is unjustified.
Yeah that is true. Hindus think that way too. Similarly, Hinduism and Hindutva are one and the same thing. Hindus in majority wish to have the Ghar vapasi and 'reclaiming' the lost temples by destroying mosques, homes and Madrassas of the Muslims. Your supremo Bhagawath has already signalled the plan to paper convert the Muslims just like what they did to the Mlechchas and Adivasis. The feeling is mutual.
Exactly... A muslim has to be a fundamentalist otherwise he is not a muslim.
Separate Religion and Education you will set right things
They believe in two nation theory on the basis of religion, take the religion away and they don't know what they are
Well said crtical system is based practical thinking
In this talk, this can be noticed that the levels of inferiority complex and identity crisis are so high in Pakistanis, that-
1) if there is something good and it is related to Indian subcontinent, when there was no Pakistan or Islam in Indian subcontinent, everything had to do with Kafirs ( hinuds, Buddhists, jains, etc) , Pakistanis start aligning themselves with their ancestors ( obviously without mentioning it )and take pride in it..
BUT if it is about criticising, they (including speaker) will present it as if Pakistanis or Pakistani Muslims have nothing to do with it and Hindus are responsible for it. As in this video at 1: 12: 36 when it was about Wheat and indigenous crops of Indian subcontinent, the speaker says " here we ...... ".... and avoid mentioning Indian / Hindu word.
2) if it is something good about Arabs ( pre and post Islamic) they start aligning themselves with the Arabs...
This is Bcoz Pakistanis have nothing of their own...
Punjab Sindh Balochistan and KP cultures predate Hinduism.
In fact this region also called Indus Valley never allowed full implementation of caste system the way Ganga valley did.
Hinduism is truly a religion of Ganga valley.
Sage Panini was from today's Kailash area. Lahore was established by Shri Ram's son Luv. Kassur was founded by another son Kush. MoolSthan which you can Multan where the celebration of Holi started.
Why do you guys including the speaker hate everything native, including your real ancestors who were natives?
Answers need to be found by you - wise get the answers by seeing what happened to others like natives of Arabia, Persia, Missepotemia, Egypt and Europe, fools like subcontinental MohMaddens will get to answers hard way - but let me try to give the answer in English words
Any article written in a newspaper or public speech need to define the loaded words it uses multiple times. So let me start defining certain terms whom you guys usemany times:
ReLigion is basically a legion/gang specifically created to grab REgal political power to enslave, rob, rape and if necessary genocide natives. Romans created first Religion called Christianity by inventing last male prophet of West Asian male God after hijacking native Jewish Theology to create enslaving evil empire for marauder Roman king. That's why so called Christian Bible is mere copy of Jewish Bible/Torah. Arabs after seeing the Roman success in creating evil empire in mere 200 years copied Romans and created Christianity 2.0 called Islam. That's why Islam of Ummaids is not much different from Christianity. When the elites of Islam moved center of power to further south to present Macca and Madina to protect from Romans & Persian, they needed to adopt the daily six times Sandhya like Kriya and call it NaMaz. The natives of Macca & Madina were Dharmic Sanatani. That's why there were idols of 360 deities (not same as God, God word has Germanic root).
These two gangs destroyed natives of 4 continents and wounded severely the fifth, Asia. Chinese have recovered by using the last gang with last prophet Marx, his slave manual book, Das Capita and polit bureau honchos like Mao and today's Xi. This last legion is as much evil as earlier two. It also cuts roots of natives and makes them rootless parasites. After killing Islam & Christianity using Marxism, Chinese made tremendous economic progress and are now growing their native Dharmic roots of Tao, Shinto, Boudh & even Sanatan (Yog & Dhyana). Today's China is Marxist for name sake only.
Bharat has started healing its roots since 2014. Soon Bharat will outpace China in all fields. Marxism is utterly materialistic and devoid of spirituality.
Christians, Muslims and Marxists hate everything native including their own ancestors, their culture, language and achievements. Such rootless parasites can't form a nation. No wonder almost all Pakistanis can't understand their national anthem since it is written in foreign language called Farsi. Pakistanis revere those barbarians who looted, raped and traded their ancestors as slaves. That's why they get leaders like British Londoner Jinah, Nawaz Sharif, Imran Khan and Benezir Bhutto with mansions in England, Dubai and Malbar Hill. They are pigmies with no vision compared to Modi, Yogi and Annamalai.
Hope stayed with me so far and not left half way. Bottom line - Dharma is native. ReLigion is foreign enslaving evil construct.
Such a Quality content in Pakistan is the need of hour. Good initiative !
Pakistan 🇵🇰 ke Historians bhi Pakistani education system ki tarah hi hai.. Inhone british era ki history ke baad kuchh naya padha hi nahi.. So inhe sab kuchh Greek 🇬🇷 me hi nazar ata hai.. Is Subcontinent ke bare me ye kuchh nahi jante..
Sir Syed Sardar Ali was on track and to the point till he agreed with 2 nation theory.
I beg to differ the main change in the developed countries occurred due to stable Rational merit based Governance system not Modernization, weather they were under a authoritarian or a democratic rule, that improved the Quality of life of the people.
Same regressive mindset of pakistani educated class. Kab religion se bahar aaoge. Me hindu hu but har baat me hindu hindu Nehi karta bhai. First of all i am proud as Indian. Religion bahar bhi ek world hai.ha pakistani ☕☕☕☕ identity crisis
You guys keep meeting every few months on every other platform just reassuring yourselves that you did a great thing by separating from India. It just shows how unsure and unhappy you are of the very thing.How will you ever move on if you are stuck to the past?
I like his sequence of history up to modernization. But he didn’t elaborate the history and civilization of the area where Pakistan is created no mention of the oldest renowned Taxila University and of four Vedas, progress in Science and Medicine. But you made fun of udon khatola. Your viewer think their ancestors are Muslims of Arabs, Turks,Mongol and so they own their achievements also. First Pakistani should decides who are their ancestors as they deny the truth. By the way in India we wrote one of our core course of undergraduate program in 1989 exactly in the manner he lectured . You are right Productively of items that we consume is necessary. The developing world can progress keeping in mind sustainable development. Good lecture for Pakistani students.
Absolutely Great discussion 👍
Mr. Syed Ali is talking of the old revolution but has not talked about the current information revolution
Shiekh Abdullah was against two nation theory and creation of Pakistan but was got dismissed and arrested by his close friend Nehru in 1953. His crime seemed to be land reforms which took away land from big landlords, mostly upper class Hindus and distributed among poor tillers,mostly Muslims.
Great inteluctel this great man love and respect from india visit india
Pakistan ka kuch nahi ho sakta... Fake identity & ideology se kuch nahi hoga, Intellectuals truth bolne se darte hai ya bolna nahi chahte. They just try to impress the people by their fake knowledge.
The rest of the world considers your 'knowledge' as nonsense and propaganda.
@@hawkingdawking4572 I already know your mindset and knowledge "Sab Yahud and Hanood Ki Sajish hai"
@@KrishanVermaJi man try make difference brainwashed Pakistani and normal Pakistanis
Indian Muslims are in a much better state than Pakistani citizens.
The problem of two nation theory is that , pakistan has become a sovereign country for muslims privilege but in india we are bound to follow the secular principles by giving them all the political, social and economical rights without discrimination. But the professor asking where would you like live. If he ask the same question to 22 crore muslims of india the same question 99 Percent of them would like to stay here. That is where INDIA dents the flawed two nation theory. But these people have a very limited exposure of real india.
We should have had listened to Ambedkar who proposed total exchange of populations.
I don’t want Pakistanis in India. Can you imagine if he had all the Muslims of Pakistan and Bangladesh in India
God bless you guys. you are creating an islamic civilization with these divine minds.
😂😂 kya chomu bnda hai har cheez ko ghuma fira ke vo hee baat bol rha hai ..
And mullah superiority complex ingrained in his intellect is emitting clearly 😂😂..
Pahle Transformation ke funde diye, fir two nation theory ko endorse kerna matlab ap badlne ke liye tyar hi nahi ho. Ye sara discussion hi beimani lagne laga. Ap Islam ki janjiro se baher hi nikalna nahi chahte. To apko transform karne ki bat karna fijul h. Aplog two nation theory ke bare me bhi jhut bolte ho. Two nation theory to Islam ki foundation h, jiske janak Mohamad the. To iqbal aur jinnah, Two nation theory ke janak kaise ho jakte h.
Less than 1% of South Asian Muslims have foreign (Turki, Central Asian, Irani, Arabi) DNA and even that is very mixed and the foreign DNA might be very little. But the mindset that claims Arab history of Spain as their own and none of the pre-Islamic history of the South Asia seems to have led the identity crisis. Indonesians don't seem to have that problem. I think if the whole of South Asia had become Muslim, then maybe the South Asian Muslims might have claimed Hindus as their ancestors but looking at this gentlemen and having talked to some Bangladeshis (who suffer from similar identity crisis), I seriously doubt it.
This guy will destroy Pakistan if given power- this is my conclusion.
1:12 Lol Greeks were students of Indian Philosophers. The whole Greek Philosophy is built on Buddhist/ Hindu Rationality. Alexander the Great was a student of Aristotle. Alexander always travelled with Greek Philosophers in his Expedition. What were greeks doing in India for so long. They were learning Philosophy and Rationality. They were building Buddhist Statues in India. Have you ever read Nagarjuna Book of Madhyamaka ?
No proof for any of these wild claims. Just religious propaganda of Hindus. Greeks didn't study in India during the Alexander's campaign. Greek philosophy is not derived from any sort of Indian philosophy if such an 'Indian philosophy' had even existed at the first place.
@@hawkingdawking4572 Lol, Have you ever read Nagarjuna Madhyamaka. Many Scientists read Nagarjuna to understand Quantum Mechanics. Do you know anything about Buddhism "Dependent Origination" Philosophy ? Greek Philosophy is heavily influenced by Buddhism.
@@Shambhala77 I didn't read that book. It's a Budhist book with their religious stuff written in some unknown era. Quantum physics is a 20th centurty thing and has nothing to do with Budhism or it's books. There is no evidence for Greek philosophy taking anything from Budhist philosophy. Hinduism doesn't have a clear philosophy to name till 13th century when some of the midieval Hindu thinkers tried to do some theology in their folk religion on the footsteps of the then declining Budhism. Vedanta took shape during that era.
Even Fibonacci Number aka Mātrāmeru is a Hindu Number. It was described by Indian mathematician Pingala as early as 200 BC.
@@hawkingdawking4572 The Real West is India. India is actually both West and East. Because Most Abstract and Insane Ideas has come from India. The so-called west is only good at inventing things for their good. But their Abstraction is very limited. In past, they even struggled to count beyond 100. Let alone do basic mathematics. Things have changed now. Because whole world has adopted Indian Mathematics and Logics. The beauty of Indian Philosophy and Logics, is it's Simplicity. Simplicity always kill Complex.
He is so afraid to mention about the Islamic education, which has all answers of all universal questions. Development of Madrasa eduction for last 70 years has been so peaceful. Not a word. But has derogatory word for Udan khatola of hamsaya. Where there were big &niversities giving 3ducation and were destroyed .
Hi can someone please mention the names of speakers books. I searched Google and it turned out results of current Sindh Education minister
He is my younger brother an engineering graduate from the University of Auston, MBA from Japan ,MPA from Harvard.Work in Japan and in the World Bank.He is currently running his own consultancy firm in Islamabad. He did not write any book. He wrote a number of articles in international magazines.
Doesn't the economic failure stem from flawed theoretical framework?
Your questions would be as minority (a Hindu) want to live in pakishtan, or a minority ( muslim) want to live in India ?
Intellectuals alone will take the country forward.
If Muslims are suffering in India try to invite them to Pakistan let us see how many want to join you.
If Muslims can live together why Pakistan was divided and Bangladesh was formed.
1:35:00 - Dude smoking some strong stuff 🤣
Minority in Pakistan 2% of the total population
Minority in India 20% of the population
A must lecture for every human being
Kamal person.
There is no point in hating India. Since India Pakistan are similar why can’t Pakistan learn from India.
Agreed 100%
Not similar in many ways. India is not a role model for any other country except in some narrow circumstances.
No India and Pakistan are not similar. Pakistan is just an extension of North India. No one gives a shit about paxtan in western and south India.
Allah ne adam ko mitti se banaya fir uski pasli se habba ko banaya, sare muslim unki paidaish he. Ye evolution faltu ki baat he. Ye Quran se bahar le ja Raha he. La ilaha illalah.
Girls in Pakistan are actually beautiful.
He seems to be a sophisticated english speaking mullah.
There is no puzzle, everything is clear. Ye ek aisa desh h jo ek ayyash gangster ko role model manta h. Inki ayyashi inki language urdu me bhi jhalakti h. Ye log 2 dinar me biki hui gulamo ke najayaj bachhe h. Ye bhi 4 gulamo se nikah/mutah ke sapne dekhta h.
Has anyone in this audience even been to India? Go visit and see how Muslims are living there. It's not nearly the disaster you have in your imagination.
Andha m ek kanaa Raja hai ye banda. Is this a level of an intellectual in pakistan?
Allthou the speaker has touched upon some very interesting topic but his bias about Vedic civilization and Hinduism is as clear as day light. He has completely forgotten vedas & Upanishad’s.
He thinks the Arab history of Spain is his history.
This guy is a prisoner of his own conscience , he will lead everyone who follows him into a lot of problems, dishonest. In his thinking
You are a biased person is very clear from your reply to two nation theory raised by a gentleman in the audience.
China papa ke sons discuss kar rahe😅😅 paxtan to science me Dunia se bahot aage ha😅😅
Isn’t evolution unislamic ?!?
Guy started with Big Bang, explained mankind's progress towards civilization, talks of Arab history of spain as if it were his grandfather's history and is big supporter of 2-nation theory.....talk about contradictions.....
I find there are two types of intellectuals in Pakistan.. one followers of religious ideology blindly and second only follow western philosophy blindly.. they both are not open to someone making mistakes.. in all speech of the speaker I didn't found single original idea.. the way he laugh at questions of people that is something not appropriate at all..
Pahle sahi bath students ko sikhavo. mulk khud hi teek ho jayega! Please tell students Pak Army is yet to win a war against india that is the truth!
animism
If u can't live with hindus then how u lived here 100s of yrs before Pakistan came into existance, it's hypocracy.
😅paxtani to science me bahot agge Nikal gae the😅😅 Kon SI Dunia me rehte ha ye log. Paxtani to Abi tak kafir musalmaan se hi nhi nikle😅😅 Paxtanio ko to Abi tak yeh hi nhi PATA ke human ki definition Kya hoti ha😅
What lies.
Minorities are thriving in India, and diminishing in Pakistan. Isn't it the truth. Hyppocracy
What pako hind . 😂
The speaker is the typical type of Pakistani who always mislead the audiance.
He not even once discussed the Indian civilization. Skipped the very basic problem.
It was the 2nd lecture in a series of 13 lectures. Hindu civilization has been discussed in his 9th lecture link is here: th-cam.com/video/3qHLGZJYEyg/w-d-xo.html
Guy started with Big Bang, explained mankind's progress towards civilization, talks of Arab history of spain as if it were his grandfather's history and is big supporter of 2-nation theory.....talk about contradictions.....
He believes in two nation theory itself shows how hyppocratical he is, waste of full lecture.
So called pakistani 😅😅😅😅😅
Abe professor ye question Indian muslim se pucho abhi vo india me rahana chahate hai ya Pakistan me
Well said.
Congress should have had listened to Ambedkar.....about total exchange......