As far as the amount of minerals lost goes for the cannon rushed, 14 probes were pulled at 1:19 with another 2 probes being pulled from elsewhere. The probes go back to mining at 2:27. Roughly 870 minerals were lost due to lost mining time, roughly the same amount of minerals lost due to lost units and structures for his opponent.
@@Verynormaltagname As Lowko stated, a probe/scv/drone mines for about 0.8 minerals per second. With around 16 probes pulled for about 68 seconds (147 seconds - 79 seconds = 68) the math looks like this: 0.8 minerals/second/probe * 16 probes * 68 seconds = ?? minerals. If you run the math it ends up being a little bit over 870 minerals. It's possible that the actual value is going to be a little less than that due to the fact that not all of the probes could've been mining minerals at full efficiency during that time due to the fact that he only had his main base, no expansion, and he still had a few probes mining minerals at his main, so he would've exceeded the ideal number of probes mining minerals by a little bit if they were all sent back to mining minerals. However, several probes (four or so) were still not mining even after the other probes returned to mining, so I think they come close to balancing each other out.
@Dávid Kenyeres You're right, the minerals aren't actually "lost" per se, as they are still on the map and minable. However, they are "lost" if you consider the fact that those are minerals that could've been mined during that period of time. If we say that both players were equal in macro play both before and after the probe pull (meaning they both had the same number of expansions and probes mining) and looked at total minerals mined for both players, the player with lost mining time would have less minerals than his opponent due to the lost mining time and therefore have less units, structures, etc. In the end the mineral "advantage" didn't really matter due to the fact that his opponent threw away that same amount in lost buildings and probes.
I got the game, played all 3 main campaigns, watched like half of Lowko's Pro Gamers' cast, now practising against IA ( reached " Harder " Level ), and i'm still telling myself that i'm faaaaar from the Level of Bronze league with my 60 APM, then I see these games XDDD. All Micro Buddy XDD
@@Krasses I made it to Gold with below 100 APM. And it was way back when it was much harder to go out of Bronze If you know the compositions, have half-decent macro and are smart with hot keys, you will be just fine.
@@Krasses Just play the game who cares about ranking ? play and seek what went wrong you don't need 300 apm nor 150 they are in platinium league with 100 apm (my approx apm counter) as lowko said they keep fighting and try to micro one immortal vs 20 x supply, while seating on 1 k minerals and gas while he had double robots -> bunch of immortal + warp prism + warped-in DT to make archon, with this army composition vs what he has, you just have to right click on minimap, and call-out "GG" TL;DR Produce more, micro less
APM is the one true lie, it doesn't matter at the beginning. If you have the fundamentals of Macro and expanding properly you will beat 90% of people below diamond league. You could honestly get there even with F2 + A click most of the time. Worry about APM when you hit Diamond league
LOWKO THE BOOK NEEDS TO HAPPEN. With technical data, illustrated guides, and everything, to really sell the cheese to the readers. They need to understand that this is srs bsns. I know I would like a copy myself :)
Yeah! Do it! Like, a wheel of shame where whenever it lands on it, you play 1 page out of the protoss book of cheese. And make a detailed guide about it. Half of the playerbase in silver league will hate you for it, but....
Apparently our winner is very small.....all micro body LOL. Please use that in a tournament cast live! "Known for his/her insane micro body, our Protoss player in red is the most diminutive of tournament winners"
That's the caster curse in general though. There are tons of games even in pro level where the player who takes TONS of damage ends up winning. It happens all the time.
I am at diamond and sometimes still played worse compared to these guys. You know that feeling when you lost, looked at the replay and realized you have a floating 1k minerals and gas. Anyway, fun game to watch!! Keep up the good work Lowko!
I mean... its tecnically not loosing rescources. Its just going to be mined later... witch is not as important in lower leagues, because the build orders are non existent
This is why I always scout when I plant the pylon and leave the probe there patrolling the whole base till the barracks/gateway/spawning pool finishes.
2:35 ♪ "Where's your second pylon?" ♫♫ "You need a pylon"♪♪ "You are platinum, do you wannabe diamond?" ♫♫ "Well guess what-f**k you, build a second pylon" ♪♪♪ "Where's your second pylon?" ♫ "You need a second pylon!" ♪ "Build a second a second pylon!!!" -From WinterStarcraft - PROTOSS BUILD ORDER (EXPLICIT). (One of my favorite songs!)
Love viewer submitted games, they're the best. Keep them coming Lowko (Simon). I'd put them in the same class as women's mud wrestling, just a whole lot of fun to watch.
More viewer submitted games; I prefer those. I rarely watch the professional matches. Viewer submitted ones are way more entertaining and they bring out the best of you :)
i am pretty sure Lowko would cast them, if only there were some good ones to cast. As Lowko said before, most viewer games are two players doing nothing for 20 minutes and then one clash - basically more boring than progames, no micro, no special strategies or turnarounds, just a boring game.
i learnt... that u could cancel lift.... didnt know that until now since liberty.... kek, another note.. lowko! keep going with the good work! even though u say u maybe more of a jerk to be honest its still fun to watch and we know that u dont rly mean it with ill!! thats why i enjoy your sense of humor!!
is this really a platinum game ? - i'm in silver and do basically the same mistakes, but thats why im still silver but there are big flaws in there, even i wouldnt make
I am waiting for the day in which a protoss cannon rusher unleashes the full might of the cheese - having the dark templar, at least get the Shadow Stride upgrade and use their full potential...And maybe, just maybe, please don't get mad at me, a warp prism it the APM asked isn't too high
There's a great old doo-wop song "Who Wrote the Book of Love?" Now I want a SC2 re-do, "Who Wrote the Book of Cheese?" But of course, we all know the answer... Has. th-cam.com/video/-xDwq8NM9G4/w-d-xo.html
I am confused...i was at platinum league a few years ago and i remember that most of the opponents knew how to play the game. I saw decent macro and semi-decent micro plays 10 out of 8 times. And the cheeses were hard to defend because those were quite sofisticated and well played. Seeing these games makes me wonder that where were these players when i played ladder games in platinum league (and how did they make here so far...)?
platinum today is still a lot better than after launch dude. So if you would try to play in diamond yet you would get your A kicked budd. The players are evolving and getting better every month
My WoL friends who have gotten back in recently have all noticed a huge jump between high plat and mid diamond. It feels like several leagues of skill for such a narrow range. I think that just goes to show how much more the overall skill has grown and evolved though, because every league still feels different. The upper leagues are so many tiers higher than they used to be, that the overall skill range is far wider now.
I'm now sitting on the top edge of Plat 1 - I've noticed that Plat 3 is almost cheese every game, whereas the others are 'proper' platinum league games
I dont understand why pylon rush is so popular in silver/gold leage? Also terran players love to rush bc, make 200 supply on them and warp to your base, why?
if your oponent doesnt know how to respond to it, it can get rid of them quite easily. and in the lower leagues (silver/gold) people dont know those strategies yet usually
@@bb-im6hf right now they are 50% of matches against terran/toss and its the kind of strategy that counter is just easy. Bc's ? Just make void-rays hydralisks or vikings. Cannon rush? Np just use three workers per one structure. You dont have to be micro god for this counters :p
@Tegridy Farms if youre playing zerg, queens are awsome for countering bcs ( if you know transfuse) and stalkers ( even 3 of them with blink ) will rekt a terran flagship.
@@lmm3933 you have to know the BC is coming. A terran can get a BC warped into your base around the 5 min mark, and you'd be lucky to get enough hydras ready - which btw are horrible against BCs (better with queens). Same goes for Vikings - you have to know it's coming. As for pylon rush, people simply panic. Not everyone knows how many workers to pull - some players pull ALL of their workers. Lol
@@ZC.Andrew i typed queens in my last repost and warping bc in base is just horible couse you cant evac from enemy base. And rly queens or stalkers arent any special ,,i know my enemy is rushing bcs'' units, and any toss/zerg player should now it. Also one misille turret in your expo with like 5 marines would completely aniolate a bc
Only time when Protoss win is Protoss vs Protoss :D :D :D I dont play starcraft (never ever play it), only Dota, but i love your channel and wach with pleasure every video. Edit: Protoss are my favourite race so i am sad they rarely win.
Lowko, I have a question Sc2 soundtrack music, is the same of campaign, you know.. in these matches Do the music recognize the ability of players, adapting to it???? For example, if the game recognize you as a silver level, does it plays out music from the first level of WoL, and in epic macro matches the greatest epic music tracks from LotV? Did you noticed that too, or am I ready for a Sanitarium?? Great content Buddy, thaks
As far as the amount of minerals lost goes for the cannon rushed, 14 probes were pulled at 1:19 with another 2 probes being pulled from elsewhere. The probes go back to mining at 2:27. Roughly 870 minerals were lost due to lost mining time, roughly the same amount of minerals lost due to lost units and structures for his opponent.
maths???????
@@Verynormaltagname As Lowko stated, a probe/scv/drone mines for about 0.8 minerals per second. With around 16 probes pulled for about 68 seconds (147 seconds - 79 seconds = 68) the math looks like this: 0.8 minerals/second/probe * 16 probes * 68 seconds = ?? minerals. If you run the math it ends up being a little bit over 870 minerals. It's possible that the actual value is going to be a little less than that due to the fact that not all of the probes could've been mining minerals at full efficiency during that time due to the fact that he only had his main base, no expansion, and he still had a few probes mining minerals at his main, so he would've exceeded the ideal number of probes mining minerals by a little bit if they were all sent back to mining minerals. However, several probes (four or so) were still not mining even after the other probes returned to mining, so I think they come close to balancing each other out.
Big brain time
@Dávid Kenyeres they are not gained. That is what they mean with lost
@Dávid Kenyeres You're right, the minerals aren't actually "lost" per se, as they are still on the map and minable. However, they are "lost" if you consider the fact that those are minerals that could've been mined during that period of time. If we say that both players were equal in macro play both before and after the probe pull (meaning they both had the same number of expansions and probes mining) and looked at total minerals mined for both players, the player with lost mining time would have less minerals than his opponent due to the lost mining time and therefore have less units, structures, etc. In the end the mineral "advantage" didn't really matter due to the fact that his opponent threw away that same amount in lost buildings and probes.
Lowko : How much cheese do my viewers want...
Viewers : Yes
I love the cheese, but not so much with the very amateur players. Frustrating to watch them bumbling around.
I want ALL THE CHeese! NomNomNom
Lowko: Let me know when you have enough cheese.
(silence)
Cheese is the way
Binge watching lowko's viewer submitted match cast while being lactose intolerant is a torture
Yes. More cheese. Lowko never deprive us of cheese. Always need more cheese
I got the game, played all 3 main campaigns, watched like half of Lowko's Pro Gamers' cast, now practising against IA ( reached " Harder " Level ), and i'm still telling myself that i'm faaaaar from the Level of Bronze league with my 60 APM, then I see these games XDDD.
All Micro Buddy XDD
Yeah, you don't need much APM if your strategy is fine. Just build immortals when you have robotic facilities!
I've the same thought as you. But I think if I go to ranked right now, I'll be crushed real quick and go back watching lowko videos
@@Krasses I made it to Gold with below 100 APM. And it was way back when it was much harder to go out of Bronze If you know the compositions, have half-decent macro and are smart with hot keys, you will be just fine.
@@Krasses Just play the game who cares about ranking ? play and seek what went wrong you don't need 300 apm nor 150 they are in platinium league with 100 apm (my approx apm counter) as lowko said they keep fighting and try to micro one immortal vs 20 x supply, while seating on 1 k minerals and gas while he had double robots -> bunch of immortal + warp prism + warped-in DT to make archon, with this army composition vs what he has, you just have to right click on minimap, and call-out "GG"
TL;DR Produce more, micro less
APM is the one true lie, it doesn't matter at the beginning. If you have the fundamentals of Macro and expanding properly you will beat 90% of people below diamond league. You could honestly get there even with F2 + A click most of the time. Worry about APM when you hit Diamond league
After a well fought match with his opponent, the guy put outs sun glasses and spout the with a stupid smug face:
𝑨𝒍𝒍 𝒎𝒊𝒄𝒓𝒐 𝒃𝒐𝒅𝒚
Marvelous. . .
LOWKO THE BOOK NEEDS TO HAPPEN. With technical data, illustrated guides, and everything, to really sell the cheese to the readers. They need to understand that this is srs bsns. I know I would like a copy myself :)
Yeah! Do it! Like, a wheel of shame where whenever it lands on it, you play 1 page out of the protoss book of cheese. And make a detailed guide about it. Half of the playerbase in silver league will hate you for it, but....
"Lifting for the sake of lifting doesnt do that much."
Of course it does Lowko! Dont underestimate the effects of exercise :o
lolllllllllllllllllllllllllll , du u even lift, pruh.
Snoopy: plays a game of SC2
Normal IA: Im about to end this man all career
Apparently our winner is very small.....all micro body LOL. Please use that in a tournament cast live! "Known for his/her insane micro body, our Protoss player in red is the most diminutive of tournament winners"
ALL MICRO BABY!
I'm weak
I feel like every time Lowko points out how important lost mining time is, the player who lost the mining time ends up winning.
But this time the Snoopy guy was extremly passive- Nobody could see this
That's the caster curse in general though. There are tons of games even in pro level where the player who takes TONS of damage ends up winning. It happens all the time.
Turns out that his opponent not spending his money is equally bad as losing mining time, so Exterminator got away with it this time
I am at diamond and sometimes still played worse compared to these guys. You know that feeling when you lost, looked at the replay and realized you have a floating 1k minerals and gas.
Anyway, fun game to watch!! Keep up the good work Lowko!
I like that snoopy waited til the scout probe left to start the forge
This goes back to the roots of the Viewer Submitted games!!!!
I mean... its tecnically not loosing rescources. Its just going to be mined later... witch is not as important in lower leagues, because the build orders are non existent
"More stuff beats less stuff" - Lowko 2020
When the classic 'Cheddar' cheese failed,always go for the 'Mozzarella' and 'PARMIGIANO-REGGIANO' as a backup plan ....
And if all that fails behold the might of the holy 'Camembert'
Wow this was painful to watch.
22:32 Small correction: He didn't go forge first, he built it after the gateway
That had to be one of the worst games I'd ever seen. LOL
It was funny xD
This is why I always scout when I plant the pylon and leave the probe there patrolling the whole base till the barracks/gateway/spawning pool finishes.
2:35 ♪ "Where's your second pylon?" ♫♫ "You need a pylon"♪♪ "You are platinum, do you wannabe diamond?" ♫♫ "Well guess what-f**k you, build a second pylon" ♪♪♪ "Where's your second pylon?" ♫ "You need a second pylon!" ♪ "Build a second a second pylon!!!"
-From WinterStarcraft - PROTOSS BUILD ORDER (EXPLICIT).
(One of my favorite songs!)
I'd say that the economy at the 5 minute mark is a pretty good indicator to work with for who won the early game. This game certainly works for that.
Are we sure this isn't bronze?
Watched this video, played as Protoss, faced a Protoss cheesed exactly like this, and won.
Thank you Snoopy.
I never thought I'd enjoy a man cringing at plat-league gameplay so much XD.
Not that I'm a SC2 gamer though, I just enjoy the matches XD
Snoopy was rolling the dice of cheese, six different flavours of cheese to choose from 🧀
3:55 Yes, I'm old enough that I know that movie. It did worse than it deserved because Titanic sucked all the oxygen, but I get that reference!
Love viewer submitted games, they're the best. Keep them coming Lowko (Simon).
I'd put them in the same class as women's mud wrestling, just a whole lot of fun to watch.
17:02 I love how Lowko just dodged the f bomb there
Tho he was gonna say Phoenix right
More viewer submitted games; I prefer those. I rarely watch the professional matches. Viewer submitted ones are way more entertaining and they bring out the best of you :)
i am pretty sure Lowko would cast them, if only there were some good ones to cast. As Lowko said before, most viewer games are two players doing nothing for 20 minutes and then one clash - basically more boring than progames, no micro, no special strategies or turnarounds, just a boring game.
i learnt... that u could cancel lift.... didnt know that until now since liberty.... kek, another note.. lowko! keep going with the good work! even though u say u maybe more of a jerk to be honest its still fun to watch and we know that u dont rly mean it with ill!! thats why i enjoy your sense of humor!!
"These are Platinum guys... so they are not low on the ladder"
Meanwhile other players getting Plat 1 with canon rush only
Lol right?? Dude people can get to mid masters with cannon only
is this really a platinum game ? - i'm in silver and do basically the same mistakes, but thats why im still silver
but there are big flaws in there, even i wouldnt make
dude they went for the cheese opener and the cheese midgame. You cant compare this to a normal game
Cmon dude you gotta start commenting on afew bronze matches.
This is way funnier than when you comment pro games.
I wish I got matched up with these platinum players lol. Too bad I'm not even platinum
I feel you brother
60apm micro FTW bro! Thanks for the vid Simon. I love the non-pro games. The pro games are too predictable.
I am waiting for the day in which a protoss cannon rusher unleashes the full might of the cheese - having the dark templar, at least get the Shadow Stride upgrade and use their full potential...And maybe, just maybe, please don't get mad at me, a warp prism it the APM asked isn't too high
There's a great old doo-wop song "Who Wrote the Book of Love?" Now I want a SC2 re-do, "Who Wrote the Book of Cheese?" But of course, we all know the answer... Has.
th-cam.com/video/-xDwq8NM9G4/w-d-xo.html
Remember to always rally your workers into the beam of the colossus # pro tip
11:41
Thats an Artosis-Pylon.
I know we all want to know who is casting, but the intro probably hurts his throat. We should keep that in mind
It did hurt my ears a few times, too!
Cheeez, that was painful.
we need more of these bronze league heroes !!!
ooooh! love that Mouse Hunt reference! Most people don't get it for some reason (I suppose because they haven't seen the movie! :D )
I am confused...i was at platinum league a few years ago and i remember that most of the opponents knew how to play the game. I saw decent macro and semi-decent micro plays 10 out of 8 times. And the cheeses were hard to defend because those were quite sofisticated and well played. Seeing these games makes me wonder that where were these players when i played ladder games in platinum league (and how did they make here so far...)?
Dang this is platinum now? I remember hitting diamond back a month or two after launch and getting through plat was very different.
platinum today is still a lot better than after launch dude. So if you would try to play in diamond yet you would get your A kicked budd. The players are evolving and getting better every month
My WoL friends who have gotten back in recently have all noticed a huge jump between high plat and mid diamond. It feels like several leagues of skill for such a narrow range. I think that just goes to show how much more the overall skill has grown and evolved though, because every league still feels different. The upper leagues are so many tiers higher than they used to be, that the overall skill range is far wider now.
Lowko.. you must write the book of cheese now. Maybe a book for all the races :D
Love me some Proros vs Proros casted by Lowco
This kind of players are the reason why I have 66% winrate vs Protoss. These guys should definitely watch ViBe.
Love it when he says be careful I might be a bit of a dick lol. I can’t wait to see what he says about me if my game ever gets picked lmao!
Artosis? Is that you? Or wait, was that zombiegrub? (Love ya Lowko)
I have to write this: "one ring to *find* them and in the *darkness bind* them". Not the other way round.
Otherwise, quite entertaining cast.
Exterminator: Do you even lift bro?
I'm now sitting on the top edge of Plat 1 - I've noticed that Plat 3 is almost cheese every game, whereas the others are 'proper' platinum league games
I don't see this being passed silver 2
I'm gold at best but watching these always makes me feel like I should be playing professional
Love LowKo. More cheese pls👍🏻, or even better pro game cheese pls. Or the best-cheese from HAS . Highly in demand. I want to buy PPV if available
There's no thing as too much cheese
I dont understand why pylon rush is so popular in silver/gold leage? Also terran players love to rush bc, make 200 supply on them and warp to your base, why?
if your oponent doesnt know how to respond to it, it can get rid of them quite easily. and in the lower leagues (silver/gold) people dont know those strategies yet usually
@@bb-im6hf right now they are 50% of matches against terran/toss and its the kind of strategy that counter is just easy. Bc's ? Just make void-rays hydralisks or vikings. Cannon rush? Np just use three workers per one structure. You dont have to be micro god for this counters :p
@Tegridy Farms if youre playing zerg, queens are awsome for countering bcs ( if you know transfuse) and stalkers ( even 3 of them with blink ) will rekt a terran flagship.
@@lmm3933 you have to know the BC is coming. A terran can get a BC warped into your base around the 5 min mark, and you'd be lucky to get enough hydras ready - which btw are horrible against BCs (better with queens). Same goes for Vikings - you have to know it's coming. As for pylon rush, people simply panic. Not everyone knows how many workers to pull - some players pull ALL of their workers. Lol
@@ZC.Andrew i typed queens in my last repost and warping bc in base is just horible couse you cant evac from enemy base. And rly queens or stalkers arent any special ,,i know my enemy is rushing bcs'' units, and any toss/zerg player should now it. Also one misille turret in your expo with like 5 marines would completely aniolate a bc
all the micro body ! it killed me ^^
can we talk about the idle time of our buddy Snoopy? 4000+ wtf he was afk half of the game
Without Cheese I would go nutz.....YES MORE CHEESE......
The best is lower level player cheese! I love it when they screw up!
Wait, where's 'hello my name is lowko!' ?
Why i never meet this kind of players :(
Protocheesokon - The Great Book of Cheese.
Phoenix lift is auto-cast by default.
Hello everyone, my name is lowko, and what I've got for you today is some cheesy builds!
almighty protoss book of cheese
10:25 hello-oh McFly...someone at home?
This game is Immortal and my eyes are armored
If this is the standard of platinum players starcraft has changed a lot :P
Florencio has written a book? :D
Lowko, can we have all viewer submitted games cast with carbot graphics turned on?
I could be Platinum... Looking at their skills, but I know I'm bad. Dat's insane...
Why I cannot encounter more players like these on the ladder :)
Lowko's bronze league heroes
I’m not the best but damn that was something!
Only time when Protoss win is Protoss vs Protoss :D :D :D I dont play starcraft (never ever play it), only Dota, but i love your channel and wach with pleasure every video.
Edit: Protoss are my favourite race so i am sad they rarely win.
If Snoopy didnt feel the need to throw his army away over and over again he wins the game easy lol
We need your intro
Oh man, how plat games went so down...
Did anyone published the book of cheese from protoss yet?
Which faction has the biggest book of cheese?
Well this is a perfect example of a wet noodle fight.
Lowko, I have a question
Sc2 soundtrack music, is the same of campaign, you know.. in these matches
Do the music recognize the ability of players, adapting to it????
For example, if the game recognize you as a silver level, does it plays out music from the first level of WoL, and in epic macro matches the greatest epic music tracks from LotV?
Did you noticed that too, or am I ready for a Sanitarium??
Great content Buddy, thaks
Artosis pylonnnnn haha
Yes, the holy book of Cheese
Please do say what you think about these games . It's gold
Dang it lowko Im lactose intolerant, are you trying to kill me?
It was a thriller! ;)
Every time he says "rather than" i hear RotterdaM
There's no way in hell this is platinum, it must be like silver unless they got there by cheesing
I needed this
lmao love your commentary.
WHAT WAS THAT VOICECRACK AT THE BEGINNING HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
He seems to have a very old edition of the book. No recall rush, no building robo in opponents third base, no probe stacking... DISAPPOINTED!!!!!
Lots of laughs
How the FUCK did Snoopy not win after that early game? Maybe I am ready for ranked.
Hahahahahaha i love lowko suffering cringe all across the game