I didn't think Nocturne was Zed from the future, I thought, and a bunch of league boomers like me, thought that the old lore of him being birthed by the shadow isles and a manifestation of a nightmare, was that it was Shen's nightmare of Zed. The version of Zed in Shen's mind manifests as Nocturne.
Nocturne would serve much better as a foil to Lillia. Rather than being a lesser demon of fear being overshadowed by the OG, he could be a manifestation of collective negativity in the realm of dreams, evaporating hope in that realm rather than simply instigating fear. He'd be more of a black hole to feel-goods instead the primary cause of feel-bads. To work with his current predatory appearance and story telling stylization, they could also make him almost the opposite of Fiddle in regards to the nature of their predation. Fiddles seems to strike fear into people because it's kind of what feeds his nature and existence, it's just what he's suppose to do as a demonic aspect. Noct could prey on people having positive feelings and just drain it from them, not necessarily causing fear, but stripping them of joy, hope, and peace, causing depression, exhaustion, and existential meaninglessness. Gameplay wise his fear could honestly be turned more into an anti-buff, disabling skills that would buff, and temporarily disabling any active buffs (including stuff like drag?) - I figure this is the best gameplay way to show causing depression lol.
This "demons feed on fear" headcanon is really weird I must say. I mean I get the sentiment but it really is both not true and would make the demonic roster really boring as well, just purely on a world building side. You also just cannot make the arguments you make for Tahm or Evelynn if you ask me. Tahm's color story about the gambler debunks the whole idea. Tahm did not jump scare him, he literally took all the gamblers belongings. Maybe not as literally as he said but over time by the gambler feeding his addiction. Sure he was scared in the end but you can say that about literally any entity feeding off of emotion in any medium ever if you just say "but wasn't he actually just scared?". Does a demon feeding on rage only eat the fear and insecurity that leads to the violent outbursts? Does a demon of addiction feed on the fear of being cought? Does a demon of lust feed on the fear of people finding your kinky ass weird? Why does the demon of secrets not go for the foot fetishes? I think that's a rather boring explanation of things, atleast to me, and it also takes away much of the problems and topics these demons resemble. Because the problems and emotions they embody are multi facetted, that's why they ARE characters. You can't say that if all of them are just eating fear spagetti, because then every emotion or habit you can have has the explanation of "oh it's just fear, you can't have another reasoning behind it." I don't exactly see why one would want that. Where Tahm feeds way more on wrong choices, feeding your Tahm/addiction rather than your own life and future, Evelynn feeds on betrayal more than anything else. She gives her "food" the exact sexual pleasures they cannot live out and then kills them, not for the fear they feel when someone stabs them with ass-tassles, but for the absolute feeling of betrayal the victims feel after opening up to a supposedly perfect match of a human where they felt secure and validated. These people could be anything - scared, angry, sad, hurt, comming out of debial and realizing their desires ARE fucked up - and evelynn feeds on all of these emotions. Dumbing them all down to fear is rather boring to me, especially when fiddlesticks already does that in a way more elegant way. Because he already is THE oldest demon. His position already cements fear as the pan-ultimate, underlying emotion. Everey other demon just existing to make that argument for edge cases hurts his character more than it helps I think. You don't even need to bring in Ashlash to be confused by what Riot thought - I think the "everyone eats fear" idea simply isn't a good explanation for League demons.
I think it would be interesting to dig into Paranoia. Shadows in the corners and knives in the darkness. Fiddlesticks is just sort of a general fear, but Nocturne would represent the fear of other people and the feeling that everyone is out to get you. His victims start to see enemies everywhere, danger around every corner, and it makes them erratic. This would kind of fit into Demacia as well, with non-mages believing there's a mage next door who's out to get them, meanwhile the mages would be on the lookout for undercover mageseekers. So where Fiddlediddle is sort of a blanket sort of fear, Nocturne would me more of specific. Kench urges you to gamble then eats all your winnings, Evelynn edges you then tortures you to death, and Nocturne tells you that your friends are government plants and you should kill them before they steal your organs. And I guess his ult could turn friendly fire on, or he could have some kind of frenzy mechanic like Renata's ult (I forget what the status effect is called). It drifts away from the nightmare thematic, but I'm just spitballing here.
Nocturne can still work as obviously the Freddy Kruger demon of fear and nightmares. With Fiddles new rework, he’s more physically real fear. The primal instinct of “Fight or Flight”, while Nocturne is psychological fear Edit: the Kusho idea is awesome
I remember there being an old rumour/idea that Nocturne was like Garens nightmare/darkside to a degree like the creeping doubt in his mind made manifest, but that was mainly down to the shoulder pads design and some surface level design ideas.
In the rework they REALLY need to lean into the nightmare and dream demon side of him. He will probably still need to be connected to fiddle, but they could separate them enough for him to be unique.
Not only does Nocturne have a similar theme to Fiddlesticks and has been primarily seen in Demacia, stealing Fiddlesticks' thunder... but Fiddlesticks has been encroaching on Nocturne's territory too. If you look at his deck in Legends of Runeterra, the cards "False Friend" and "Baleful Seeker" imply that Fiddlesticks can easily attack people in their dreams and cause nightmares. It's really a shame how Nocturne is just taking a space that is now already filled but a much more interesting character. I really hope we get a rework as good as the one that Arthis made. (Check it out if you haven't already)
i like the idea of nocturne being EXTREMELY abstract looking. Like the playable version of those images where you can't name anything in it, even though it feels so familiar. I get the master kusho thing and why people want that, but i like the idea of a nightmare demon. Fiddlesticks is this terror incarnate, but he doesn't reflect that human experience of incoherence or randomness that nightmares can have. For as terrifying as fiddlesticks is, he's easy to conceptualize. I want nocturne to be maybe not scary, but hard to even conceptualize and that's where his fear element comes in, the fear of the unknown. I think it'd go really hard
I love how he was the demon of nightmares and dream-hunting until fiddlesticks got confirmed lore in LOR that he can also do that and actively is doing it
I like the idea that the primordial demons of fear (evelynn, fiddlesticks, nocturne) is the same demon but different regions give different stories and create different characters of the same entity.
For noc's rework and role, just search for Death's Gambit's Thalamus character. That kind of thing would be perfect Imagine a nightmare demon that tries to turn people into the worst version of thenselves instead of just killing and feed on all of then endlessly becoming way more powerfull than it should while keeping these people at bay by making then way more delusional with dreams and nightmares.This fits the shadow theme thing, Noc being a shadow demon, a demonic representation of the worst of someone can be, exactly what master Kusho turned into.
Besides making him Master Kusho, I'd say they could also simply link Nocturne into being one of the original shadow magic users, who could have some juicy lore connections to how it was created.
I feel like they could veer away from just fear into paranoia. Make him feed on feelings of mistrust and anxiety. It would map pretty well onto his short story in Demosia and would lend to him as a more insidious background force. Something that you could extrapolate from that more indirect theme is him not being born of shadow magic but it's origin. Shadow magic has it's associations with assassin's and all and could be seen as a way of him just further being able to farm these emotions. The idea that you cross the wrong person and poof, gone in the night. Plus it could result in interesting stories between him and Zed or even kujo if he was made into his own champion.
In LoR the dream lit path expansion was setting up for a big showdown in the dream realm and was nocturne big chance and they gave it to fiddlesticks instead showing that nocturne is second banana in his own element
Gonna be real, with how OP the jungle pets are, leashing is kinda griefing. As a jungler myself I've come to prefer when my allies don't. And it's not some 'aw yeah I'm a badass' kind of thing, but being able to reposition and kite the mob to take less damage without having to worry about it swapping targets is so nice. If the enemies don't ward it makes it harder to track you since they don't know which camp you started. It keeps the timing on smites nice and consistent rather than having to mull over when and where to use it. If your champ does damage based on % missing health with their Q then you don't have to worry about any accidental steals if you smite early to clear faster. It doesn't indebt you to your bot lane. It's just so much more convenient to not need a leash.
Honestly retconning Kusho into Nocturne is perfect, he doesnt have to be a demon but as shen's mentor he'd still have the ability to pass between the physical and spirit realm and lead the azakhana
the best part about linkin Nocturne with Ionia is that they could write stuff with Kayn facing him at some point, since he is touching the shadow realm too like zed... Maybe make him a side effect of Master Kushuu's action with the box not really his transformation
If you wanna rework him as a nightmare demon you could make it so his Q just turns out the lights for whoever you hit, your E maybe shouldn’t fear anyone anymore but puts people to sleep-you know dream deamon. Spell shield just feels lame but I like not getting exploded the minute I dive into the enemy team so maybe they could just mix that into the ult or something
I feel like Nocturne would benefit from a rework heavily leaning in on the sleep aspect of his story, especially since sleep didn't exist as a condition when Noc was first added it feels weird that the dream demon doesn't have any sleep powers now that sleep has been in the game for 7 years
I can imagine some passive effect on all sleeping targets, making the comp of a shy deer, a 6 year old and a hellish nightmare demon an effective, as well as hilarious.
I think they really should have leaned into more to the idea of Nocturne taking a more personalized approach to fear, manifesting nightmares of his victims' individual traumas and phobias. Fiddlesticks, meanwhile, works better as more of a generalized fear. It represents the monster under your bed or in the woods; it's the thing that stalks you and hunts you and no matter how fast you run or how hard you fight, you can never get away or bring it down. Unfortunately, Fiddlesticks being able to enter nightmares or speak its victims' fears aloud really does just make it better than Nocturne in every way.
I think one idea I would really like to see is the idea of Nocturne being reworked into some sort of almost forgotten demon, a shadow of his former self as now everyone acknowledges fiddle as the absolute fear. Now he yearns to be remembered and he will make sure to strike so deep into those who still remember him that no one will be able to ignore him, or at least that's ehat he aims for.
My personal rework take for nocturne is for him to be a forest/dream spirit like Lillia, born with the porpuse of inspiring people in their dreams to be their "true self" but after the noxus invasion of Ionia, Nocturne sees a side of Runeterrakind(?) he never knew making him realize that people only show who they really are when they give in to negative emotions like fear. So this way of thinking corrupts him into the sahdow demon he is in the game and now he travels around different regions invading peoples dreams and shrouding them in fear so that one day all of runeterra can show their true colors. This way he can still be conected to Ionian shadow magic as its now the result of his corruption in the spirit realm while conecting him more directly to not just demons but to other spiritual being like Ivern or as I said before Lillia to whom he would have like a more "Sibling dynamic" like she wants to cure him while Noc wants her to join him.
I remember when shaco was just a nightmare creature in the dreams of league of legends staff. Just like fiddlesticks was just some murderous scarecrow in some now abandoned chamber in the stadium. You know, back when the league of legends was an actual place in runeterra
0:32 Honestly this happens to me with ironically Nunu, like I play 1 game with him, have a boatload of fun and then I play another game with Nunu and have one of the worst games I’ve ever played and say like “okay there’s my 2 games of Nunu for the season”
If Noc wants to stand out from Fiddlesticks, he can't be a demon of any kind. There's just too much thematic overlap between the two and Noc would, both literally and figuratively, play second fiddle compared to the primordial demon of fear. Riot's best bet is to tie him to Zed/Shen's lore and make him some manifestation of the shadow arts. Maybe him the first man to practice and perfect it or maybe just make Nocturne the source of it entirely.
They could’ve done a thing where Fiddle was fear within the physical world and Nocturne was fear in the mental, until LoR decided nah, Fiddle really needs more lunch money
Lore wise - i agree makin him related to kusho, but not dirrectly kusho himself. I like him as an shadowy entity of nightmare, when even the mention of his name make the mages piss themselves. Instead when kusho died his body is an opening for nocturne to enter physical realm, how? by possessing him thus also granting noc his memories. This still give noc reason to connected to the ninjas because he personally knows them. Now in physical realm nocturne can moves more freely without restrain. Design - as a shadow of course they need to make him abstract and ever changing. I dont really know how that will work tho? Gameplay - his niche must be lowering vision, the scary part of his ult is not he jumps to you, but you cant see anything, so i think that is a good point for him. I dont know if that is OP or not, but hey they can make k'sante so this possibly not that bad.
I always read the demons were manifestations of te seven deadly sins and they would prey on people to get them to fall for their particular sin. Evelyn feeds on lust and kench feeds on greed. Fiddle would be tricky but I'd suppose pride could work considering his torment of several champions is on points that would hit their pride or from when they had hubris.
I remember reading the old lore and thinking it was so cool that he was kept in the material world by a nexus shard. Kind of sad the league of legends isnt canon anymore
Mechanically, it could be fun if nocturne leaned into sleep and shadow more, maybe being able to place an aoe of darkness that blocks vision from outside and applies a sleep status effect to enemies that stay in it for too long. It could also work as a sort of anti ward to cut off and control enemy vision as he moves around the map. Either way, I won’t take the rework unless he screams the targets name during ult like on the vid Lol
I'll vote for Nocturne in every vote, you know, if they actually continue doing them. Nocturne has so much potential in both gameplay and visuals. People's fan redesigns often make him more of the same, but I wouldn't be against doing drastic changes to him, as long as they make him interesting and unique.
I'm almost positive that Riot has taken so long to rework Nocturne is NOT because of his design direction or lore explanations. Seraphine's existence proves that Riot don't give a flip about lore. What is so difficult in reworking Nocturne is balancing the power level of the rest of his kit to his insanely powerful ultimate, since his only marketable selling point is Paranoia, making him a one button champion. The risk of reworking him results in one if the most overpowered champs in the history of league. imagine Ambessa with Noc R....
I love noc. But its true, you can only play him brusier (with cdr) cause his kit is so uninteractive and has no sinergy. Pasive doesnt allow for crit/on hit builds, w is just steroids, q steroids with a slow ass chase oportunity and e does no dmg even when going ap.
as a nocturne main since, idk, spirit blossom event, i say he needs a fiddlesticks level reword, just keep the ult, but reset his lore and all. his skins that work well (old god) are a MIRACLE because of his out dated as fuck model, and his lore is just fucking trash (i can never get over him losing to LUX when she barely knew her powers....
I like the theory of Nocturne being the ghost of master kusho, created after Zed murdered him and after he abused of the shadow magic so much. I feel it would make nocturne 10 times more interesting as it would turn him into a self-made demon who commands the demon infestation on Ionia, which would also put him outside of demacia since that's fiddlesticks territory now.
Nocture noced so fiddlesticks could fiddle
And fiddle he did
They should give mr. sticks his fiddle
@@gonathi117 and fiddle he did-dle, a lot not a little
Nocturne when fiddlesticks walks in
As TBS Said " fidle Fiddle didn't just steal his lunch, he paid for him to go to culinary school so he could cook for him for the rest of his life"
that quote stays rent free in my mind. they really hit it out the park with Fiddlesticks.
I didn't think Nocturne was Zed from the future, I thought, and a bunch of league boomers like me, thought that the old lore of him being birthed by the shadow isles and a manifestation of a nightmare, was that it was Shen's nightmare of Zed. The version of Zed in Shen's mind manifests as Nocturne.
Nocturne would serve much better as a foil to Lillia. Rather than being a lesser demon of fear being overshadowed by the OG, he could be a manifestation of collective negativity in the realm of dreams, evaporating hope in that realm rather than simply instigating fear. He'd be more of a black hole to feel-goods instead the primary cause of feel-bads.
To work with his current predatory appearance and story telling stylization, they could also make him almost the opposite of Fiddle in regards to the nature of their predation. Fiddles seems to strike fear into people because it's kind of what feeds his nature and existence, it's just what he's suppose to do as a demonic aspect. Noct could prey on people having positive feelings and just drain it from them, not necessarily causing fear, but stripping them of joy, hope, and peace, causing depression, exhaustion, and existential meaninglessness.
Gameplay wise his fear could honestly be turned more into an anti-buff, disabling skills that would buff, and temporarily disabling any active buffs (including stuff like drag?) - I figure this is the best gameplay way to show causing depression lol.
Nocturne should be to Lillia as Shaco should be to Gwen
I agree
@@josiebianchi3481 I like that comparison for Shaco
So he’s a dementor?
nicky is more attached to the idea that every demon in runeterra is powered by fear than the average yuumi is to their -host- adc
Evelyn and Kench aren't fear demons, man. they don't feed on fear.
This "demons feed on fear" headcanon is really weird I must say. I mean I get the sentiment but it really is both not true and would make the demonic roster really boring as well, just purely on a world building side.
You also just cannot make the arguments you make for Tahm or Evelynn if you ask me. Tahm's color story about the gambler debunks the whole idea. Tahm did not jump scare him, he literally took all the gamblers belongings. Maybe not as literally as he said but over time by the gambler feeding his addiction. Sure he was scared in the end but you can say that about literally any entity feeding off of emotion in any medium ever if you just say "but wasn't he actually just scared?". Does a demon feeding on rage only eat the fear and insecurity that leads to the violent outbursts? Does a demon of addiction feed on the fear of being cought? Does a demon of lust feed on the fear of people finding your kinky ass weird? Why does the demon of secrets not go for the foot fetishes? I think that's a rather boring explanation of things, atleast to me, and it also takes away much of the problems and topics these demons resemble. Because the problems and emotions they embody are multi facetted, that's why they ARE characters. You can't say that if all of them are just eating fear spagetti, because then every emotion or habit you can have has the explanation of "oh it's just fear, you can't have another reasoning behind it."
I don't exactly see why one would want that.
Where Tahm feeds way more on wrong choices, feeding your Tahm/addiction rather than your own life and future, Evelynn feeds on betrayal more than anything else. She gives her "food" the exact sexual pleasures they cannot live out and then kills them, not for the fear they feel when someone stabs them with ass-tassles, but for the absolute feeling of betrayal the victims feel after opening up to a supposedly perfect match of a human where they felt secure and validated. These people could be anything - scared, angry, sad, hurt, comming out of debial and realizing their desires ARE fucked up - and evelynn feeds on all of these emotions. Dumbing them all down to fear is rather boring to me, especially when fiddlesticks already does that in a way more elegant way. Because he already is THE oldest demon. His position already cements fear as the pan-ultimate, underlying emotion. Everey other demon just existing to make that argument for edge cases hurts his character more than it helps I think.
You don't even need to bring in Ashlash to be confused by what Riot thought - I think the "everyone eats fear" idea simply isn't a good explanation for League demons.
I think it would be interesting to dig into Paranoia. Shadows in the corners and knives in the darkness. Fiddlesticks is just sort of a general fear, but Nocturne would represent the fear of other people and the feeling that everyone is out to get you. His victims start to see enemies everywhere, danger around every corner, and it makes them erratic. This would kind of fit into Demacia as well, with non-mages believing there's a mage next door who's out to get them, meanwhile the mages would be on the lookout for undercover mageseekers.
So where Fiddlediddle is sort of a blanket sort of fear, Nocturne would me more of specific.
Kench urges you to gamble then eats all your winnings, Evelynn edges you then tortures you to death, and Nocturne tells you that your friends are government plants and you should kill them before they steal your organs.
And I guess his ult could turn friendly fire on, or he could have some kind of frenzy mechanic like Renata's ult (I forget what the status effect is called).
It drifts away from the nightmare thematic, but I'm just spitballing here.
Nocturne can still work as obviously the Freddy Kruger demon of fear and nightmares. With Fiddles new rework, he’s more physically real fear. The primal instinct of “Fight or Flight”, while Nocturne is psychological fear
Edit: the Kusho idea is awesome
I find the bit of Sona knowing who you are and what you are doing is fun.
I remember there being an old rumour/idea that Nocturne was like Garens nightmare/darkside to a degree like the creeping doubt in his mind made manifest, but that was mainly down to the shoulder pads design and some surface level design ideas.
In the rework they REALLY need to lean into the nightmare and dream demon side of him. He will probably still need to be connected to fiddle, but they could separate them enough for him to be unique.
Not only does Nocturne have a similar theme to Fiddlesticks and has been primarily seen in Demacia, stealing Fiddlesticks' thunder... but Fiddlesticks has been encroaching on Nocturne's territory too. If you look at his deck in Legends of Runeterra, the cards "False Friend" and "Baleful Seeker" imply that Fiddlesticks can easily attack people in their dreams and cause nightmares.
It's really a shame how Nocturne is just taking a space that is now already filled but a much more interesting character. I really hope we get a rework as good as the one that Arthis made. (Check it out if you haven't already)
i like the idea of nocturne being EXTREMELY abstract looking. Like the playable version of those images where you can't name anything in it, even though it feels so familiar. I get the master kusho thing and why people want that, but i like the idea of a nightmare demon. Fiddlesticks is this terror incarnate, but he doesn't reflect that human experience of incoherence or randomness that nightmares can have. For as terrifying as fiddlesticks is, he's easy to conceptualize. I want nocturne to be maybe not scary, but hard to even conceptualize and that's where his fear element comes in, the fear of the unknown. I think it'd go really hard
I love how he was the demon of nightmares and dream-hunting until fiddlesticks got confirmed lore in LOR that he can also do that and actively is doing it
🔥Take🔥Nocturne should be retconned into being Kusho incarnation or the opposite of Lilia
I see potential on this!
Like, a sort of Cresselia vs Darkrai from pokemon!
6:54 Gaslight, gatekeep, ghostboss
I like the idea that the primordial demons of fear (evelynn, fiddlesticks, nocturne) is the same demon but different regions give different stories and create different characters of the same entity.
For noc's rework and role, just search for Death's Gambit's Thalamus character.
That kind of thing would be perfect
Imagine a nightmare demon that tries to turn people into the worst version of thenselves instead of just killing and feed on all of then endlessly becoming way more powerfull than it should while keeping these people at bay by making then way more delusional with dreams and nightmares.This fits the shadow theme thing, Noc being a shadow demon, a demonic representation of the worst of someone can be, exactly what master Kusho turned into.
Besides making him Master Kusho, I'd say they could also simply link Nocturne into being one of the original shadow magic users, who could have some juicy lore connections to how it was created.
I feel like they could veer away from just fear into paranoia.
Make him feed on feelings of mistrust and anxiety. It would map pretty well onto his short story in Demosia and would lend to him as a more insidious background force.
Something that you could extrapolate from that more indirect theme is him not being born of shadow magic but it's origin. Shadow magic has it's associations with assassin's and all and could be seen as a way of him just further being able to farm these emotions. The idea that you cross the wrong person and poof, gone in the night.
Plus it could result in interesting stories between him and Zed or even kujo if he was made into his own champion.
The Azir and K’Sante are my IRL Friends!!!!!!!!! Wu is embarrassed he failed the flash…
In LoR the dream lit path expansion was setting up for a big showdown in the dream realm and was nocturne big chance and they gave it to fiddlesticks instead showing that nocturne is second banana in his own element
Gonna be real, with how OP the jungle pets are, leashing is kinda griefing. As a jungler myself I've come to prefer when my allies don't.
And it's not some 'aw yeah I'm a badass' kind of thing, but being able to reposition and kite the mob to take less damage without having to worry about it swapping targets is so nice. If the enemies don't ward it makes it harder to track you since they don't know which camp you started. It keeps the timing on smites nice and consistent rather than having to mull over when and where to use it. If your champ does damage based on % missing health with their Q then you don't have to worry about any accidental steals if you smite early to clear faster. It doesn't indebt you to your bot lane. It's just so much more convenient to not need a leash.
Honestly retconning Kusho into Nocturne is perfect, he doesnt have to be a demon but as shen's mentor he'd still have the ability to pass between the physical and spirit realm and lead the azakhana
the best part about linkin Nocturne with Ionia is that they could write stuff with Kayn facing him at some point, since he is touching the shadow realm too like zed... Maybe make him a side effect of Master Kushuu's action with the box not really his transformation
nocturne walked so fiddlesticks could run
If you wanna rework him as a nightmare demon you could make it so his Q just turns out the lights for whoever you hit, your E maybe shouldn’t fear anyone anymore but puts people to sleep-you know dream deamon. Spell shield just feels lame but I like not getting exploded the minute I dive into the enemy team so maybe they could just mix that into the ult or something
I feel like Nocturne would benefit from a rework heavily leaning in on the sleep aspect of his story, especially since sleep didn't exist as a condition when Noc was first added it feels weird that the dream demon doesn't have any sleep powers now that sleep has been in the game for 7 years
I can imagine some passive effect on all sleeping targets, making the comp of a shy deer, a 6 year old and a hellish nightmare demon an effective, as well as hilarious.
I think they really should have leaned into more to the idea of Nocturne taking a more personalized approach to fear, manifesting nightmares of his victims' individual traumas and phobias. Fiddlesticks, meanwhile, works better as more of a generalized fear. It represents the monster under your bed or in the woods; it's the thing that stalks you and hunts you and no matter how fast you run or how hard you fight, you can never get away or bring it down.
Unfortunately, Fiddlesticks being able to enter nightmares or speak its victims' fears aloud really does just make it better than Nocturne in every way.
I think one idea I would really like to see is the idea of Nocturne being reworked into some sort of almost forgotten demon, a shadow of his former self as now everyone acknowledges fiddle as the absolute fear. Now he yearns to be remembered and he will make sure to strike so deep into those who still remember him that no one will be able to ignore him, or at least that's ehat he aims for.
My personal rework take for nocturne is for him to be a forest/dream spirit like Lillia, born with the porpuse of inspiring people in their dreams to be their "true self" but after the noxus invasion of Ionia, Nocturne sees a side of Runeterrakind(?) he never knew making him realize that people only show who they really are when they give in to negative emotions like fear. So this way of thinking corrupts him into the sahdow demon he is in the game and now he travels around different regions invading peoples dreams and shrouding them in fear so that one day all of runeterra can show their true colors.
This way he can still be conected to Ionian shadow magic as its now the result of his corruption in the spirit realm while conecting him more directly to not just demons but to other spiritual being like Ivern or as I said before Lillia to whom he would have like a more "Sibling dynamic" like she wants to cure him while Noc wants her to join him.
I remember when shaco was just a nightmare creature in the dreams of league of legends staff. Just like fiddlesticks was just some murderous scarecrow in some now abandoned chamber in the stadium. You know, back when the league of legends was an actual place in runeterra
lol that Sona onto something
0:32 Honestly this happens to me with ironically Nunu, like I play 1 game with him, have a boatload of fun and then I play another game with Nunu and have one of the worst games I’ve ever played and say like “okay there’s my 2 games of Nunu for the season”
If Noc wants to stand out from Fiddlesticks, he can't be a demon of any kind. There's just too much thematic overlap between the two and Noc would, both literally and figuratively, play second fiddle compared to the primordial demon of fear.
Riot's best bet is to tie him to Zed/Shen's lore and make him some manifestation of the shadow arts. Maybe him the first man to practice and perfect it or maybe just make Nocturne the source of it entirely.
honestly i like to think of his as paranoia as opposed to fear now
They could’ve done a thing where Fiddle was fear within the physical world and Nocturne was fear in the mental, until LoR decided nah, Fiddle really needs more lunch money
For the rework, Tie Nocturne with Shen & Zed's lore as a ghostly manifestation of shadow arts, making him turn into Master Kusho.
Arthis made nocturne so amazing! If anyone hasn’t seen it I highly recommend, I hope if he’s ever redesigned it’s his
4:59 the overlay on nocturne was a jumpscare
Lore wise - i agree makin him related to kusho, but not dirrectly kusho himself. I like him as an shadowy entity of nightmare, when even the mention of his name make the mages piss themselves. Instead when kusho died his body is an opening for nocturne to enter physical realm, how? by possessing him thus also granting noc his memories. This still give noc reason to connected to the ninjas because he personally knows them. Now in physical realm nocturne can moves more freely without restrain.
Design - as a shadow of course they need to make him abstract and ever changing. I dont really know how that will work tho?
Gameplay - his niche must be lowering vision, the scary part of his ult is not he jumps to you, but you cant see anything, so i think that is a good point for him. I dont know if that is OP or not, but hey they can make k'sante so this possibly not that bad.
I always read the demons were manifestations of te seven deadly sins and they would prey on people to get them to fall for their particular sin. Evelyn feeds on lust and kench feeds on greed. Fiddle would be tricky but I'd suppose pride could work considering his torment of several champions is on points that would hit their pride or from when they had hubris.
I mean it kind works until you read that evelynn is pain, kench is addiction, noc is nightmares, camphor is doubt, raum is secrets, fiddle is fear
I remember reading the old lore and thinking it was so cool that he was kept in the material world by a nexus shard. Kind of sad the league of legends isnt canon anymore
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Mechanically, it could be fun if nocturne leaned into sleep and shadow more, maybe being able to place an aoe of darkness that blocks vision from outside and applies a sleep status effect to enemies that stay in it for too long. It could also work as a sort of anti ward to cut off and control enemy vision as he moves around the map. Either way, I won’t take the rework unless he screams the targets name during ult like on the vid
Lol
I think a cool rework to nocturne would be to make him some sort of "demon follower' to fiddlesticks
I'll vote for Nocturne in every vote, you know, if they actually continue doing them. Nocturne has so much potential in both gameplay and visuals.
People's fan redesigns often make him more of the same, but I wouldn't be against doing drastic changes to him, as long as they make him interesting and unique.
maybe in the future they'll write him as another incarnation of fiddle
Oh yes dear old Glen Shadowman video.
Faster than past me buying tickets for Sonic 3
All they had to do was NOT have fiddle be able to access dreams
They had ONE JOB
bring back twisted treeline and old nocturne lore
Nocturne could do with the warhammer treatment. That'll make him nightmarish.
I think they should make Nocturne into Don Omar, he is, in fact, el Señor de la Noche (es mitad hombre, mitad animal)
Fiddlesticks = Fear
Nocturne = Nightmare
said enough ?
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I'm almost positive that Riot has taken so long to rework Nocturne is NOT because of his design direction or lore explanations. Seraphine's existence proves that Riot don't give a flip about lore. What is so difficult in reworking Nocturne is balancing the power level of the rest of his kit to his insanely powerful ultimate, since his only marketable selling point is Paranoia, making him a one button champion. The risk of reworking him results in one if the most overpowered champs in the history of league. imagine Ambessa with Noc R....
i mean they could also make Nocturne just another Major Demon on Fiddles level just that he no longer is a Demon of Fear but something else.
Demon of paranoia
I love Nocturn. Got over 500,000 mastery going for 1million.
Wasn't there a short story where Nocturne was locked away in Lux and Barnes Great something Grandfather and then got his ass handed to him by Lux?
Nocturne I feel like should have SOMETHING to do with Lillia. Dreams and nightmares and stuff
When 2024 rewind?
I would say the demon of shadows but isn’t that Atakhan
Dear nicky, leashes haven't been a thing for quite some time now. Please don't ask for it it's trolling. :3
I love noc. But its true, you can only play him brusier (with cdr) cause his kit is so uninteractive and has no sinergy. Pasive doesnt allow for crit/on hit builds, w is just steroids, q steroids with a slow ass chase oportunity and e does no dmg even when going ap.
as a nocturne main since, idk, spirit blossom event, i say he needs a fiddlesticks level reword, just keep the ult, but reset his lore and all.
his skins that work well (old god) are a MIRACLE because of his out dated as fuck model, and his lore is just fucking trash (i can never get over him losing to LUX when she barely knew her powers....
hehe blade arm guy
I am the one who Nocs.
I want the fidl emote ):
I like the theory of Nocturne being the ghost of master kusho, created after Zed murdered him and after he abused of the shadow magic so much. I feel it would make nocturne 10 times more interesting as it would turn him into a self-made demon who commands the demon infestation on Ionia, which would also put him outside of demacia since that's fiddlesticks territory now.
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better remove viktor
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