(Unpopular Sander Sides opinion/head canon) Ok, so what if Remus was born a couple seconds before Roman and he keeps rubbing it in his brother’s face Like if you agree!~
Fun fact: in one of the episodes of Sander Sides, Roman also had to stop himself from calling Virgil paranoid, instead quicky changing it to,"Para-VIGILENT! Paravigilent." Just saying.
I ACTUALLY GOT TO REFERENCE THAT A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO IT MADE ME REALLY HAPPY EVEN THOUGH MY FRIEND WAS PROBABLY THINKING "what is this crackhead going on about"
I really, really like Janus' line in Forbidden Fruit. "He said you're wanting to be more honest and be direct dealing with your issues, no longer will you deceive yourself about the ugliness within you." It's actually really upseting that it took a fan comic for me to finally realize this was referring to Thomas, but once I did, it easily became one of my favorite lines out of the whole series. Janus represents self-preservation, which comes with deceit. But he doesn't just want Thomas to deceive others, and thats where the misinterpretations of his character mess up. He's responsible for Thomas deceiving himself aswell, and we're told that alongside his introduction. And that idea is what causes a lot of the later episodes to happen. For example in Selfishness v Selflessness, when Patton says Thomas was really excited to go to the wedding Thomas hesitates before agreeing with him, and we later find out that he actually didn't want to go to the wedding at all. And yet there was still a dilemma between whether or not choosing the callback would make Thomas a bad person or not, so he chooses the wedding regardless. Even Roman, someone who agreed with what Janus was arguing for, ultimately went against him because of the way Thomas viewed self-preservation at the time. And that's the cause behind this episode. Virgil and Patton, the 2 sides who had conflicted with Janus the most up until Putting Others First, both jump on the thoughts Thomas had and make them out to be a bigger deal than they were because of that fear of being a bad person. Thomas wants to be more honest with himself, and with that he ends up making this out to be more indicative of his true character than it really was.
That's a lot of word-salad for basically stating that Remus began appearing because Patton and Virgil cracked down on Thomas about Janus making a completely valid point and the over-correction let Remus loose.
@@Egobyte83 Well not really. Remus wasn't "let loose" by anything except Janus, he's the one who reveals the sides to Thomas if he wants to know about them, we are told this in Can Lying Be Good. What I was _trying_ to say was that Janus says Thomas wants to be more honest with myself and thats why Remus is revealed, and Thomas is trying to be more honest with myself because of SvS. Idk why I couldn't just say that in the og comment instead of making it so incoherent tho lol. Like to think I've gotten better at explaining things
ok, we are all high in the "Virgil was upset for being called "paranoid"", but can we please acknowledge Logan's "Thank you for being on guard"? idk u, but that felt healthy af
Those two have a connection that virg doesn’t have with the other sides. They two understand each other completely differently. Logan can tell with Virgil is on the verge of an anxiety attack and watches him closely. He knows what triggers Virgil and when he accidentally mentions something, he stops himself and uses different vocabulary to ease Virgil. I love their friendship and it’s SO UNDERRATED
Can we just talk about Logan's character development, at first he never knew how to deal with emotions, but now he's calming and loving to all the sides.
I would gladly talk for 2 hours about Logan's character development, but instead I'll just say I love him and I become prouder and prouder of him in each video
That's honestly one of the things I love best about these videos, is that the Sides are all developing and becoming more complex and learning. They're opening up more, being more vocal, more understanding, and working together and it's beautiful.
I still think that logan needs a video specifically for his character development, because i feel they haven't directly adressed his "not wanting to deal with or feel his own emotions". Its been hinted at, but never brought up
@@drippyfresh9471 Ah I agree completely. But I'm glad Logan's character arc isn't finished yet, bc watching him grow and learn is so heart-warming (and also the other sides, obvs, but we're focusing on our boi Logan here)
I was really appreciative of it as well, as someone who has a lot of resentment towards religion and complicated feelings about religious people. those warnings give me time to prepare and adjust.
@@belphegutz_ Ohh right no - sorry, I totally get people who have trauma due to religion and stuff - I just was wondering this: does a religious person genuinely get that traumatised if religion is talked about negatively But thank you :)
@borgCube100 probably not, but a good chunk of them probably wouldn't be that keen on it either lol That's not a trauma thing that's just a "rather not see this" thing, which trigger warnings are also helpful for
When Virgil is talking about ghosts not being evil and noticed Remus, his voice gets the deep filter when he says “SHOW UP”. And they’ve used that filter to depict whenever Virgil’s anxiety is heightened. I love attention to detail so much
Virgil: “Because I was one of them....” Thomas stands there questioning his life decisions for a few seconds... Looks at camera Thomas: Oh! Oh right you still exist!
How dare you ruin the like number. How dare you good day sir lol. Little bit of a reference to Charlie and the chocolate factory and to a bloopers video of this
Virgil: "Because I was one of them" Key word was "was" meaning he's no longer one of Thomas's dark sides because Thomas has learn to accept and help his anxiety.
29:18 Thomas acknowledging that saying "pain in the ass" was a bad idea and changing to "nuisance" was a nice touch. Also, by the face Remus makes, he knew what Thomas was about to say
Young Remus, lying in bed: There's a monster under my bed! It's the most hideous thing I've ever seen! Young Roman, on the bottom bunk: Why do you detest me brother?
When Logan is like “you’re being paranoi-“ and then changes it to something constructive and thanks him for doing what he’s supposed to do. I almost cried.
@@creativelydead3265 Because Virgil is anxiety, a lesser form of paranoia, and he would find that word offensive or rude, because they are using it in a bad way. (I think)
@@creativelydead3265 when you call someone's anxiety as "paranoia" is kinda disrespectful, like, sounds you are Diminishing their problems to "just some paranoia"
I know right! These videos are what tipped me off about my anxiety, and how to deal with it. I've actually learned how to handle panic attacks better with these videos than the actual therapist i saw for a year.
In rewatching this episode, there was one detail that stuck out to me. In SVS, Janus called out Virgil for being a Dark Side, doing everything except explicitly stating it. When Remus showed up, look how Virgil looked at Thomas. He was scared that he was going to be outed as a Dark, and apologetic about not keeping the others away. Virgil also was blinking a lot through this, and his eyes were red. He genuinely looked like he was about to cry for the entire episode. And when he was about to tell Thomas he was a Dark, he covered his eyes. He had started crying, only after the others left. He didn’t want to be vulnerable. Even more than that, he probably was afraid that would tell them everything, even though he only wanted to tell Thomas. He didn’t want to be patronized by Patton, made fun of by Roman, taunted by Remus, or have Logan explain it in enough detail to make it bigger than it was. Virgil didn’t want to tell anyone except Thomas about his past.
roman, patton, and logan already knew, actually. thats made clear by the way patton and logan have this annoyed look on their faces like "what an asshole" after remus said "it was just like old times!" keep in mind, they already knew about janus and remus before they were revealed. so it would only make sense for them to know about virgil, considering they already knew who he was when he was revealed. (ex: "hey there princey." "oh-kay, I cant stand that guy...") the only thing they didnt know about him was his name. which follows, considering they didnt know janus or remus' either. the reveal that virgil used to be a dark side was for thomas alone. and technically the audience too, but i mean...we called it a long time ago lol.
“Can we Logic our way out of this one..?” Everyone: YEA- “No not really, there’s no way to force intrusive thoughts out of your head , please pay attention” Everyone: *got us in the first half not gonna lie*
I love how it kinda sounds like 'so you are gonna trust me on this and let me solve the entire situation like you wanted me to trust you in the beginning solving it by ignoring it? Well I can't do that. That was the whole point of what I was saying actually. Try remembering this; the only logic that can solve this is knowing that there is no simple solution. However, this does not mean we can't handle him, we just need to do it appropriately. So, that's rather simple.
I've been visualising my intrusive thoughts as Remus lately, just imagining him screaming them in a really ridiculous manner and I just cannot take them seriously any more which has been really helping me. Thank you
Wow... Even after watching this specific video so many times, and trying to push those thoughts onto my own Remus, I never thought about having her speak in a silly voice. Would Cat-Yzma from Emperor's New Groove be silly enough?
Finally, Logan can be the hero for once. Not that I'm complaining or anything, it's just Logan doesn't get to be the hero that much and it's nice to see him be the hero.
I deal with intrusive sexual thoughts all the time, which is weird given the fact I’m completely Asexual and have no intention of ever doing any deed. I’ve never opened up about this to anyone because of how ashamed it makes me feel. Despite the fact I can’t control it. It grosses me out so much. It’s so intrusive too. I’ll literally be at a vending machine looking at what bag of chips to buy, then: BOOM! The image of an old lady in lingerie pops into my head. (Not that I care for that sort of thing, think about it regularly or want to think about it at all, but it just appears out of nowhere) it’s really scary and weird. Once I was with a couple of friends and we were just hanging out and I started dry heaving due to this gross thought. It quickly passed, but I hate that this is how my brain works
@@kalebhateclub9668 being hypersexual stems from multiple different disorders and/or trauma, actually. Its not exclusive to OCD. In fact, its more closer to a disorder like BPD in my opinion, as someone who actively has intrusive sexual thoughts and has BPD. Hypersexuality can also be a resort of SA trauma and can be worsened by PTSD. Its a coping mechanism even for people who may not have any other underlying disorders.
Omg same. I am disgusted with sex and the real thing makes me gag whenever I've tried it. And yet at random times random scenes pop into my head. But at the same time so do many other types of intrusive thoughts. How to hurt me or others, what would happen if this and that happens, and more.
Oh god, I had this for weeks with really horrible racist thoughts. I obviously didn't associate or identify with them- I am in no way and will never be a racist- but I'd just be watching something and someone of colour would be on screen and my brain would be like haha lol let's be meanies and it was the absolute worst Luckily they've very much gone away now and left me in peace ✌
Can we talk about the progress Logan's made? He went from being completely stoic and annoyed by emotions to having so much empathy he can essentially act like a sort of therapist now. He branched out away from his comfort zone in order to better service c!T!! Good for him
Us: I bet that romans dark side is this large, strong black and gold pride character that is both terrifying but like a king. Remus sitting in a trash can, eating deodorant: hehhh butts
Does that make Virgil Logans Dark side? (overthinking leads to anxiety) idk or he could just be a dark side that kinda came in out of nowhere since that is how anxiety is like
Yes it was so wholesome! Logic doesn't always have to be "books, paper, and statistics" it could be a mom gently explaining things to a toddler Logic doesn't always have to be emotionless
I love the symbolism of the fact that Virgil went from popping up and disappearing to sinking down and rising up like the others, especially here. It shows that he has gone from “bad” to good and is fully committed to attempting to help
The sticky note at 7:18 says "aunt patty naked" and Roman has said that before in 12 days of Christmas and Roman said "I don't know where that came from"
21:18 I dont think this part gets talked about a lot. It goes from Logan telling the others to listen to Thomas and that he didnt need to be listened to right now, to Thomas starting to ignore Logan and the others slowly joining in too, probably related to how Logan told them to listen to Thomas, not him
I feel like being called paranoid is a serious trigger for Virgil. Which makes a lot of sense considering most people with severe anxiety are often told they're just being paranoid..
I feel this, because I have GAD and my Virgil is very heightened, and my own mother called me "Paranoid" before I was on medication. I get defensive when I'm called that.
Before that he was was a darkside he was called paranoira and I think patton and logan where the first to find out and he gets very hurt when people called him paranoira because it gives him many memories
10:30 That neck crack and the look in Remus’s eyes just tells us that he has found new ammo to f*ck with Thomas, and how he kept bringing Jeffery Dahmer up just to disturb Thomas supports this
All of the dark sides appear that match what they represent Virgil: just appears like anxiety usually does Deceit: disguises himself as something else like lies disguise as the truth Remus: pushes other things out of the way
I've also noticed that all of the darksides have one thing in common. Patton doesn't like them. He thinks lying is wrong so deceit is a dark side. He thinks that the brand of creativity that Remus represents is bad so Thomas does too. He accepted Virgil so Thomas does as well. Patton is the reason that darksides are darksides.
It’s funny how among their similarities, Roman and Remus both have a royal nickname with “Princey” and “The Duke,” but Remus gets a duke because dukes don’t really have power or influence, especially when compared to princes
Avery Diaz I was like “what am I getting myself into” and then I finished the video and I was like “funniest sander sides change my mind” honestly it was not what I was expecting
I also like how they're initially portrayed as negative entities but Virgil and Janus are more centered around self preservation than being evil. Not even Remus is really evil, he's just a darker side, everyone has good and evil inside them.
@@ladyvee2090 Well yea. Everyone has good and bad in them. And they are the bad. But all of them have the same goal in the end: protect, so I guess they are not evil, yes, just bad.
@@annaf2370 what? No it isn't , electrifying is arousing a sudden sense of great excitement; thrilling. That has nothing to do with electrocuting which is to injure or kill someone by electric shock.
I love how Virgil snaps his fingers near his ear after Logan screams, “FALSEHOOD!” To make sure he can still hear
wait that makes sense.......WAIT! THAT MAKES SENSE.... OH BOI I LOVE THIS
Yeah all of these episodes are so well scripted! I love it
Just a Person lol same
Just a Person I know right, that was perfect! (PS. I love your profile pic, it looks like someone trying to speak Danish for the first time😂)
JP.Calamity Oh my god, that made me laugh so hard 😂
Florida man argues himself in front of a camera for dreaming a murder and compares himself to a serial killer.
Accurate
UnamusedDeathGod nice username 👍
This is the best Florida Man headline ever.
R/floridaman
@@peculiarme2468 r/foundthemobileuser
Virgil : "Thomas can't Logic his way out of this one."
Logan : "B**ch watch me."
Also Logan: Not really, no
Well yes, but also no
Logan acting like the sane Side for the LONGEST TIME-
Remus: Logic yourself out of this. *(throws shurikin at Logan)*😹👻
Logan: no, u can't logic ur way out of this
Also Logan: logics his way out of it
Virgil's voice sounding layered and distorted when he's overwhelmed is such a good representation of what anxiety attacks feel like.
I love it when his voice does that
It's so realistic, and i get chills when that happens
Deceit: very filtered speech, lawful neutral
Remus: zero filter at all, chaotic
Omg why is this so true?
Is Virgil Chaotic Good?
Remus is the *definition* of chaotic evil
DND REFERENCES!
Virgil Alexander absolutely
I love how Duke is the uncensored version of creativity, but TH-cam forces him to be censored anyway.
Its his weakness XD
The irony~ Even I thought the Duke was not dirty or juicy enough, that or I've had too much apples
Lololololololooololooololol
Julianna Agoncillo it has less to do with youtube and more to do with thomas. it's thomas's dark creativity, not yours.
Gotta get that ad revenue and spon cash, so censoring the duke is a must
Logan: Life isn’t black and white
Thomas: But the duke and the prince literally wear the black and the white
Waluigi and red is the opposite of green on the color wheel
@@hkmurray what about red and yellow
Solan Buford what do you mean? I’m saying that Roman wears white with a red sash and Duke wears black with a green sash
red and yellow arent opposite each other on a colour wheel. they're pretty much next to each other
@@helloitsme472 ok thanks
Logan: “figuratively dress him down. That is why I say it… THAT 👏🏻 IS👏🏻 WHY 👏🏻 I 👏🏻 SAY 👏🏻 IT👏🏻”
Remus: “damn… okay”
YES KICK HIS BUTT WITH KNOWLEDGE
Lol yes
Ironically, Roman was the only one who complained about that and he wasn’t awake to see this
24:30
"Thats is the brave, handsome, unbeatable: Roman!"
*"no mommy i dont want the mashed potatos..."*
ME too
Wren Giles That’s Actually Me At Dinner In My Mind… 😂
Lol
I busted a gut when i heard him say that😂😂😂
Is Roman thinking about the split?
remus: have you ever imagined killing your brother?
remus literally les than a minute later: smacks his brother in the head with a mace
Napkin Squad yeah. That was so wonderful. They didn't interact overly much but I enjoyed the dynamic between the two brother sides.
That one part of moving on where Thomas looks into an old journal and say how he thought of electrocuting his brother with lightening
Ong
(Unpopular Sander Sides opinion/head canon)
Ok, so what if Remus was born a couple seconds before Roman and he keeps rubbing it in his brother’s face
Like if you agree!~
The Gacha Girlz
Next time my friend Sophie comes over, we are definitely going to role-play as the Creativity twins
(and I’m going to be Remus)
Do you think that the reason Virgil didn’t like Roman at first was because he reminded him of Remus?
Omg, that so totally makes sense. Thank you so much! I get it now
Sassy Brat no problem :D
Omg my mind just went 😯😮😲😵
It would be really interesting if they bring this up in a future video
That makes so much sense
Virgil: your most extreme reaction is an eyebrow raise.
Logan the next time they deal with remus: goes orange
LMAO
logan: inverts his color
the falsehood was foreshadowing frfr lmao
I think it's foreshadowing for Logan's dark side
Fuckin orange piccolo
Remus is the definition of the quote
“I’m the TrAsH mAn”
And patton is the walrus.
And i'm crying in the corner
THE TRASH MAN!
Let's put the fork in the garbage disposal-
DINGDINGDINGDINDINDINDINGDING
I hate when santa calls me a ho-ho-hœ XD
I live for Logan stopping himself from calling Virgil paranoid and instead thanking him for existing
Same
AlexDoesThings We love a good boyo
Fun fact: in one of the episodes of Sander Sides, Roman also had to stop himself from calling Virgil paranoid, instead quicky changing it to,"Para-VIGILENT! Paravigilent."
Just saying.
My call is still that paranoia is Virgil’s dark side or I guess darker side
it’s nice to know they’re learning to appreciate that worrying is kind of his job and that all he’s trying to do is protect thomas
”Yeah, I didn't make him throw the baby!I simply gave him a baby, and a l a r g e, s h a r p, k n i f e...”
I ACTUALLY GOT TO REFERENCE THAT A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO
IT MADE ME REALLY HAPPY EVEN THOUGH MY FRIEND WAS PROBABLY THINKING "what is this crackhead going on about"
i mean he has a point 😂
...
@@r3m221 what reference?
@@gaminggirl9427 I referenced the quote they commented
The fact that his name is revealed the same video he is introduced really helps to establish that he is never one to hide anything.
Virgil : Ghost aren't evil, they're scary because you don't know when they're
*sees Remus*
*_gOnNA ShO W Ų P-_*
OneLuckyDime lmfaooo
His voice got all distorted too! He got even more anxious and *paranoid* than before!
Lmao
@@yesouioo woah that's a forbidden word and you know it
@y e s hold up-
T.HA.T.S.I.L.L.E.G.A.L
Remus: Have you ever imagined killing your brother?
Roman: *chuckles* I'm in danger!
*2 seconds later*
Remus: *hits roman over the head*
😂😅
Ironically its Romulus who killed remus
@@DejaVu-ts4un yep,but now its remus
OooooOoooooo0ooooooo
when he said "the human connection will make me feel like a person again," i really thought this was recorded sometime in the past 8 months.
sameee
@@striderboy1000 as someone who uses they/them pronouns when i saw your username it made me smile ahah
@@MYSTERIOUSORBS Lol, happy i could make someone smile
omg same, I checked the date it was posted lol
sameeeeee
I really, really like Janus' line in Forbidden Fruit.
"He said you're wanting to be more honest and be direct dealing with your issues, no longer will you deceive yourself about the ugliness within you."
It's actually really upseting that it took a fan comic for me to finally realize this was referring to Thomas, but once I did, it easily became one of my favorite lines out of the whole series.
Janus represents self-preservation, which comes with deceit. But he doesn't just want Thomas to deceive others, and thats where the misinterpretations of his character mess up. He's responsible for Thomas deceiving himself aswell, and we're told that alongside his introduction. And that idea is what causes a lot of the later episodes to happen.
For example in Selfishness v Selflessness, when Patton says Thomas was really excited to go to the wedding Thomas hesitates before agreeing with him, and we later find out that he actually didn't want to go to the wedding at all. And yet there was still a dilemma between whether or not choosing the callback would make Thomas a bad person or not, so he chooses the wedding regardless. Even Roman, someone who agreed with what Janus was arguing for, ultimately went against him because of the way Thomas viewed self-preservation at the time.
And that's the cause behind this episode. Virgil and Patton, the 2 sides who had conflicted with Janus the most up until Putting Others First, both jump on the thoughts Thomas had and make them out to be a bigger deal than they were because of that fear of being a bad person. Thomas wants to be more honest with himself, and with that he ends up making this out to be more indicative of his true character than it really was.
could i have a link to that fan comic..
That's a lot of word-salad for basically stating that Remus began appearing because Patton and Virgil cracked down on Thomas about Janus making a completely valid point and the over-correction let Remus loose.
@@Egobyte83 Well not really. Remus wasn't "let loose" by anything except Janus, he's the one who reveals the sides to Thomas if he wants to know about them, we are told this in Can Lying Be Good. What I was _trying_ to say was that Janus says Thomas wants to be more honest with myself and thats why Remus is revealed, and Thomas is trying to be more honest with myself because of SvS.
Idk why I couldn't just say that in the og comment instead of making it so incoherent tho lol. Like to think I've gotten better at explaining things
@@Egobyte83 well some times "word salad" is necessary. not everything can be properly explain in a few sentences.
"No mommy, I dont want the mashed potatoes."
-Roman/Creativity, 2019
Boyf Riends
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MEMEMEMEMEMEMMEMEMMEMEMEM
What part of the video does he say that? I can't find it
Slytherin Alpha1 😂😂😂 that stills makes me laugh😂
Boyf Riends best quote of 2019
That is the brave handsome unbeatable Roman
ok, we are all high in the "Virgil was upset for being called "paranoid"", but can we please acknowledge Logan's "Thank you for being on guard"? idk u, but that felt healthy af
it was awesome and i loved it!
Time?
@@SaraRankins. It happens at around 21:37
Those two have a connection that virg doesn’t have with the other sides. They two understand each other completely differently. Logan can tell with Virgil is on the verge of an anxiety attack and watches him closely. He knows what triggers Virgil and when he accidentally mentions something, he stops himself and uses different vocabulary to ease Virgil. I love their friendship and it’s SO UNDERRATED
I wonder if Virgil was originally called ‘Paranoia’ when he was a dark side.
Can we just talk about Logan's character development, at first he never knew how to deal with emotions, but now he's calming and loving to all the sides.
I would gladly talk for 2 hours about Logan's character development, but instead I'll just say I love him and I become prouder and prouder of him in each video
That's honestly one of the things I love best about these videos, is that the Sides are all developing and becoming more complex and learning. They're opening up more, being more vocal, more understanding, and working together and it's beautiful.
I still think that logan needs a video specifically for his character development, because i feel they haven't directly adressed his "not wanting to deal with or feel his own emotions". Its been hinted at, but never brought up
@@drippyfresh9471 Ah I agree completely. But I'm glad Logan's character arc isn't finished yet, bc watching him grow and learn is so heart-warming (and also the other sides, obvs, but we're focusing on our boi Logan here)
@@eaglefan2569 agreed
When Remus said “I wouldn’t lie to you” then he looked at Virgil, and Virgil felt uncomfortable.
I know, must have been horrible.
Roman: h-
Remus: *_VIBE CHECK_*
Remus: *smacks him over the head with a mace*
jam maam Your profile picture should be the official flag of Earth
Can someone do this to me
jam maam HOW AND WHERE DID YA FIND THAT PROFILE PIC
Remus: Pleasant metaphors isn't my strong suit
Vigel: you had a strong
Remus: i do my birthday suit
Virel: ugh
Repli: you're honest deviant
jam maam I think Remus had a morning star? I’m not sure though
"Of course you're not a chick. You're a metaphysical human being. A chick is a newly hatched bird." Yes logan. Yes
OH THATS WHAT HE SAYS
thank you, I could never actually hear what he says
Roman: mommy I don't want the mashed potatoes
Can we talk about the editing? Thomas literally just hit himself in the head with a mace and it looked flawless
Right??? It’s so impressive and amazing
It was pretty cool. Props.
I think he hurt him self?????
@@Alpaca_Kid he didnt🤣🤣
The song too! There were twenty Thomas's interacting SEAMLESSLY
"Don't say juicy in that context!"
Remus: immediately says juicy in a far worse context
VIrgil: Thomas can't logic his way out of this one.
Logan: Is that a f***ing challenge
H Marlin FALSEHOOD
Ya it is
Spite
LiEs
H Marlin this is my favorite comment
"No mommy I don't want the mashed potatoes...!"
- Roman Sanders
YESSSSSSS
OMG PLEASEEEEE
“ *Virgil Sanders singing* “
- Thomas Sanders | Sanders Sides
I'll eat the mashed potatoes
when?
Remus: have you ever imagined killing your brother?
Remus: *kills his brother*
Omigahd... thOmas knocked out roman
X3
Also he compares him and Roman to Cain and Able (Cain killed his brother Able) and that's a well planted theme throughout the whole video
Pippa Greenhalgh it’s so true tho... 0-0
YOU KILLED HIM!
31:30 Logan softly explaining that it's okay made me cry, it was really cathartic to hear that
Deceit: unmasks his self like a scooby doo villian
Remus: reveals his self like a Disney villian
👏👏
yessss 👏👏👏😂😂😂
👌
That's how you know there will be a discussion about Scooby Doo with Deceit in it
Virgil turns into a good guy like a twist villan
*YESSSSS-*
Thomas: No, seriously, thank you, Logan. You're really . . . cool
*Logan.exe has stopped operating*
*Logan stans are quaking*
Pretty much.
I like that part haha
I can hear Logan repeating *I am cool*
If you put on captions it says *disbelieving noise* so im confused on if he doesn't believe it or he's just surprised ;-;
Virgil: “Ghosts aren’t evil. They just scare people because you never know when they’re going to-“
Cue demonic voice when he sees Remus
“ *show up* “
Yes
OMG! HOW DID I MISS THAT!? 😂😂😂
The Tempest Tongue !!
Yes!
Dunno why I think the fact that Virgil gets a demon voice is really cool and unique
Mad props to Thomas for including “Religious Commentary” in the trigger warnings, as someone who needs that, that’s awesome, and pretty rare
I was really appreciative of it as well, as someone who has a lot of resentment towards religion and complicated feelings about religious people. those warnings give me time to prepare and adjust.
Not an attack - but a curiosity -
How does it have so much control on your life to BE a trigger?
@borgCube100 For some people, it's because of religion based trauma, for others it's more so based on discomfort with religion in general
@@belphegutz_ Ohh right no - sorry, I totally get people who have trauma due to religion and stuff - I just was wondering this: does a religious person genuinely get that traumatised if religion is talked about negatively
But thank you :)
@borgCube100 probably not, but a good chunk of them probably wouldn't be that keen on it either lol
That's not a trauma thing that's just a "rather not see this" thing, which trigger warnings are also helpful for
Roman: Ooh, that guy's cute, let's say hi!
Virgil: No!
Remus: LET'S JUMP OFF THAT BRIDGE!
Virgil: Maybe - *NO!*
Time stamp?
@@PizzaPlantz I wish
@@PizzaPlantz it didnt happen in the video
@@candylovesyou7953 it didn't?
crystal clear editz He/She didn’t say it was.
Thomas: even my thoughts are going wrong
*VIRGIL HAS JOINED THE SERVER*
_***several people are typing..._
Steven Cain Yes just yes
LMAOOO
Dude I rewinded to the part and I’m like wait why that so true
TwentyOnePanicsAtTheDisco your USERNAME
Awkward situation: **exists**
Virgil: **touches staircase**
M e.
Lol
His safe space
T R U T H
Nervous habit....He has a lot of those...Ok he IS a lot of those
When Virgil is talking about ghosts not being evil and noticed Remus, his voice gets the deep filter when he says “SHOW UP”. And they’ve used that filter to depict whenever Virgil’s anxiety is heightened. I love attention to detail so much
Thomas is like Mr Rogers for young adults.This whole series is so healthy and accepting.
Oh my gosh YES
Turtlezen42 perfect description. I feel like I’m relearning healthy life mindsets
YESSS
But a little weird
A
“Uh oh despite his best efforts, Virgil could never stop being the bad guy”
“Oh and Patton”
“Ah- rEcOrD sCrAtCh?”
25:00
Patton screams: yOu dO nOt taLk aBouT mY sOn LiKe tHat
Virgil couldn't be a bad guy. D:
Not to be rude but this comment got 1.3k likes just for quoting some dialogue
but like, look at how hurt virgil looks right while he's saying that
Virgil: “Because I was one of them....”
Thomas stands there questioning his life decisions for a few seconds...
Looks at camera
Thomas: Oh! Oh right you still exist!
Me with all my friends and family.
Oh and especially homework and school.
I ruined tge (6)69 likes :>
Got ya to 1k
How dare you ruin the like number. How dare you good day sir lol. Little bit of a reference to Charlie and the chocolate factory and to a bloopers video of this
What the fwuh
I feel like remus would love the " don't hug me I'm scared" series 😂
Or more likely, the rule34 of it
@@SonicXtreme99akaCreeperMario I'm sorry *WHAT*
@@SonicXtreme99akaCreeperMario let's not.
What's rule 34-?
@@iiyaraii2597 U H H H - WELL- it's basically- likee.. NSFW thingss..
*logan cutting himself of when he’s about to say “paranoid” but Virgil is hurt by it so he restarts*
My Analogical loving heart is living right now
I have a feeling we may see Virgil's original all black color pallete make a return. And their name is Paranoia.
What if Virgil's dark side is paranoia? It's exaggerated anxiety after all.
I now have a theory virgil, back when he was a dark side, was paranoia
@@ItzEllzbellz Ohhh, that makes sense! I like that
he paused on saying paranoid
virgil used to be paranoia
I’m crying
Omg exactly what I was thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!
.....my GOD
Holy sh*t
Same thought here
Ddaaammmnnn.....
Y'ALL ARE ALL TALKING ABOUT REMUS AND VIRGIL BUT CAN WE APPRECIATE THIS EPISODE AS A WHOLE TALKING ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH?? IT WAS SO GOOD AND HELPFUL
Gracie G
I know right
Agreed!
Genuinely, if I had seen this video years ago, it would have helped me out of a deep pit in my life.
@@jandiqar same
So true
Virgil: "Because I was one of them"
Key word was "was" meaning he's no longer one of Thomas's dark sides because Thomas has learn to accept and help his anxiety.
Hehehehe was was
I like the details that he just sinks down.
Remus said “Have you imagined killing your brother?” Before hitting Roman in the head!
OMG I JUST RELIZED THAT 😲 .0.
😳
Ohhh snap he beat his own bro
OMFG HE DOES, That’s a 4d chess move on Thomas’s part
Also his theme starts playing when he shows up behind Roman
Accepting anxiety: “you’re a really good tryer Logan”
This video: “you’re really cool Logan”
Ahhh I love it
"Your most extreme reaction is an eyebrow raise....."
"FALSEHOOD"
*snap snap*
"I stand corrected.........."
just making sure he hadn't gone deaf.
3:09
Logan: *FALSEHOOD!!!*
Everyone else's ears: *;-;*
Vergil is my favorite
Virgil Has Now Killed Half The Population.
29:18 Thomas acknowledging that saying "pain in the ass" was a bad idea and changing to "nuisance" was a nice touch. Also, by the face Remus makes, he knew what Thomas was about to say
I love how Patton gasped because Virgil saying “bastard” was the first uncensored curse on sander sides
Klaus O'Shaunacey bastard is not a swear word
* jamitoast * maybe not by your standards, but this is Patton.
Klaus O'Shaunacey wait when!?
* jamitoast * Some people consider it to be but
Nova.cos. Deku 20:06
All of the Dark Sides have really intense eye makeup lol
and so does virgil.................. im going to leave now
and you have to admit that they all look fabuless too, soooooo
They gotta look fabulous
a_e _c_ obviously 👍🏼
one of them looks like he hasn't slept for 87 years,
the other isn't even human,
this one looks like he just got punched in the eye
Young Remus, lying in bed: There's a monster under my bed! It's the most hideous thing I've ever seen!
Young Roman, on the bottom bunk: Why do you detest me brother?
Yes tho
Roman is SORT OF like Netflix Kids and Family, while Remus is completely like Netflix and Chill
Sleep Deprived and Dying LMAOOO
Get Help. Fanart. Need it now.
Sleep Deprived and Dying lol
POV: We all know this
Fun Fact: Remus is the reason why we have trigger warnings
Fair point.
Virgil: because I was one of them
Everyone:
M Y
S O N
I legit was like VIRGIL MY BABYY
CALLED IT
Knew it
I ALREADY KNEW BUT MY BABYYYYY
I cant believe it's conan
My poor dark stargell son
When Logan is like “you’re being paranoi-“ and then changes it to something constructive and thanks him for doing what he’s supposed to do. I almost cried.
8kr but i dont get why people constantly refrian from saying the word paraniod especially towards virgil
@@creativelydead3265That might've been Virgil's name when he was a dark side, and that's why they stop themselves from saying it?
@@creativelydead3265 Because Virgil is anxiety, a lesser form of paranoia, and he would find that word offensive or rude, because they are using it in a bad way. (I think)
@@nicoler8935 i thought that might be it but im not sure
@@creativelydead3265 when you call someone's anxiety as "paranoia" is kinda disrespectful, like, sounds you are Diminishing their problems to "just some paranoia"
Therapist: expensive
A Sander's Side video: free and fun
bro seth well, Logan did say to get a therapist or a psychiatrist if it felt really serious
I agree! This is So much better than therapy!
Cartoon therapy would help!! :))
I know right! These videos are what tipped me off about my anxiety, and how to deal with it. I've actually learned how to handle panic attacks better with these videos than the actual therapist i saw for a year.
And legitimately helpful
In rewatching this episode, there was one detail that stuck out to me.
In SVS, Janus called out Virgil for being a Dark Side, doing everything except explicitly stating it. When Remus showed up, look how Virgil looked at Thomas. He was scared that he was going to be outed as a Dark, and apologetic about not keeping the others away.
Virgil also was blinking a lot through this, and his eyes were red. He genuinely looked like he was about to cry for the entire episode. And when he was about to tell Thomas he was a Dark, he covered his eyes. He had started crying, only after the others left. He didn’t want to be vulnerable. Even more than that, he probably was afraid that would tell them everything, even though he only wanted to tell Thomas. He didn’t want to be patronized by Patton, made fun of by Roman, taunted by Remus, or have Logan explain it in enough detail to make it bigger than it was. Virgil didn’t want to tell anyone except Thomas about his past.
roman, patton, and logan already knew, actually. thats made clear by the way patton and logan have this annoyed look on their faces like "what an asshole" after remus said "it was just like old times!"
keep in mind, they already knew about janus and remus before they were revealed. so it would only make sense for them to know about virgil, considering they already knew who he was when he was revealed. (ex: "hey there princey." "oh-kay, I cant stand that guy...") the only thing they didnt know about him was his name. which follows, considering they didnt know janus or remus' either.
the reveal that virgil used to be a dark side was for thomas alone. and technically the audience too, but i mean...we called it a long time ago lol.
Ohh, my poor little anxious baby!
I didn't notice that the first time, poor Virgil
Remus: **kills logan**
Logan: I'VE COME TO BARGAIN
Remus: **surprised pikachu face**
careless crows, I got that reference.
Dormammu! I’ve come to bargain! (90% sure I spelt that wrong)
@@chinchilla_fandoms9500
How do you spell Dormamu?
Chris Pratt: Dormamu so fat--
AAAAAAA I UNDERSTAND THAT REFERENCE!!!!!!
@@chinchilla_fandoms9500 You actually spelled dormamu close to right
*Virgil* : "Because I was one of them."
*Me, tearfully* : We Been Knew.
Queen of TH-cam hahahahahahah
When did he say this
Shannen Williams at the end
I think 37:02 ?
We really did...
* Remus being Remus *
Patton: “Let me see what you have”
Remus: “A gold fish condom!”
Patton: “NO!”
YES
Omg yes
Who is Remus
Wait I hadn’t watched the video properly yet aha
I just realized that Remus said, “ have you ever thought of killing your brother”, and then he knocks out Roman and Patton yells, “YOU KILLED HIM!”
I thought of Liquid Snake from Metal Gear Solid.
“Can we Logic our way out of this one..?”
Everyone: YEA-
“No not really, there’s no way to force intrusive thoughts out of your head , please pay attention”
Everyone: *got us in the first half not gonna lie*
I love how it kinda sounds like 'so you are gonna trust me on this and let me solve the entire situation like you wanted me to trust you in the beginning solving it by ignoring it? Well I can't do that. That was the whole point of what I was saying actually. Try remembering this; the only logic that can solve this is knowing that there is no simple solution. However, this does not mean we can't handle him, we just need to do it appropriately. So, that's rather simple.
Yes he did get us or at lest me
😂😂😂
Ashleyleaf Blade13 nah I said no
Ha lol
I've been visualising my intrusive thoughts as Remus lately, just imagining him screaming them in a really ridiculous manner and I just cannot take them seriously any more which has been really helping me. Thank you
I should try that. Hehehe.
same but i do it accidentally, now that i think about it, my intrusive thoughts are using my comfort character to make a negative connection. DARN IT
BRO SAME EVERY TIME I GET INTRUSIVE THOUGHTS I GO “stop it, remus -.-“
Wow... Even after watching this specific video so many times, and trying to push those thoughts onto my own Remus, I never thought about having her speak in a silly voice. Would Cat-Yzma from Emperor's New Groove be silly enough?
I visualize My intrusive thoughts al remus as well
Can we talk about how Logan single-handedly calmed everyone down and got through the problem by himself? What a legend.
And Patton just kinda swooning the whole time
What a madlad!
Finally, Logan can be the hero for once. Not that I'm complaining or anything, it's just Logan doesn't get to be the hero that much and it's nice to see him be the hero.
Logan is my hero after this episode, and I've tried to let my logic out more so it doesn't feel bad.
Not all heroes wear capes, sometimes they wear ties and glasses. :>
I deal with intrusive sexual thoughts all the time, which is weird given the fact I’m completely Asexual and have no intention of ever doing any deed. I’ve never opened up about this to anyone because of how ashamed it makes me feel. Despite the fact I can’t control it. It grosses me out so much. It’s so intrusive too. I’ll literally be at a vending machine looking at what bag of chips to buy, then: BOOM! The image of an old lady in lingerie pops into my head. (Not that I care for that sort of thing, think about it regularly or want to think about it at all, but it just appears out of nowhere) it’s really scary and weird. Once I was with a couple of friends and we were just hanging out and I started dry heaving due to this gross thought. It quickly passed, but I hate that this is how my brain works
they're actually quite a common type of intrusive thought, i have them as well and they're horrible. you aren't the only one
its.. actually ocd. and i really recommend you do some research and look into it bc it can be pretty bad if you dont know how to handle it
@@kalebhateclub9668 being hypersexual stems from multiple different disorders and/or trauma, actually. Its not exclusive to OCD. In fact, its more closer to a disorder like BPD in my opinion, as someone who actively has intrusive sexual thoughts and has BPD. Hypersexuality can also be a resort of SA trauma and can be worsened by PTSD. Its a coping mechanism even for people who may not have any other underlying disorders.
Omg same. I am disgusted with sex and the real thing makes me gag whenever I've tried it. And yet at random times random scenes pop into my head. But at the same time so do many other types of intrusive thoughts. How to hurt me or others, what would happen if this and that happens, and more.
Oh god, I had this for weeks with really horrible racist thoughts. I obviously didn't associate or identify with them- I am in no way and will never be a racist- but I'd just be watching something and someone of colour would be on screen and my brain would be like haha lol let's be meanies and it was the absolute worst
Luckily they've very much gone away now and left me in peace ✌
Roman: Exists as Thomas' creativity
Remus: *I'm about to end this mans career*
HOLY FRICK
@@Lueezoid Holy fu*k!
Yay
#DDM YOU FORGOT ABOUT IT!!!
Alyona. exe OMG THIS IS AMAZING 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Logan: Roman is sort of like, Netflix Kids and Family
Roman: MERRY B*TCHMAS EVERYONE
XD
🤣🤣 same
😂🤣
Rudolph the rednose reinb*tch
Lol I'd do that to my friends
Remus is like a tumblr shitposter living inside thomas' head
Angel Tuff pretty much
Why is that true
yes
Yeah, kinda lmao
R/rareinsults
Can we talk about the progress Logan's made? He went from being completely stoic and annoyed by emotions to having so much empathy he can essentially act like a sort of therapist now. He branched out away from his comfort zone in order to better service c!T!! Good for him
i love him so much its not even funny. he would never admit it, but hes so kind and caring.
Logan: and they were twins
Me: oh my god they were twins...
Sarah
And they were roommates
Oh my god they were roommates
But did they used to share a 'room' in his mind palace thing?
My Duke is who controls my answers in cards against humanity
Same...
The Ello also same
Cards Against Humanity is the counterbalance to our most innate sense of morality.
MagicRainbow Kitties this is true
The Ello TRUE
Us: I bet that romans dark side is this large, strong black and gold pride character that is both terrifying but like a king.
Remus sitting in a trash can, eating deodorant: hehhh butts
t h i s i s g r e a t . and i just thought it was virgil that was his darkside.
coward Joseph
Agreed
@@salem6288 excuse me how did you read my mind
oh my god that was so true
Does that make Virgil Logans Dark side? (overthinking leads to anxiety) idk or he could just be a dark side that kinda came in out of nowhere since that is how anxiety is like
Logan explaining lack of sleep: 🤓
Me who hasn’t slept yet:😅
Me watching this at 1.30 am: You are absolutely correct Logan sleep is very important
@@elliott9246 🙌
Other kids: I am so random!
Remus: hold my deodorant.
remus be all over the 'not like other girls' reddit tag
NO *Throws away DO* so gross man!
YAASSSS
is it bad I'm more random than Remus
@@madisonp8948 you... drink deodorant and jump in front of cars? If the answer is not, I don't think you should be worried
Logan talking/explaining things softly is my new favorite thing.
I love him so much
He is now my second favorite. Blueberry boi needs sum luve
Iona Morwenna can he be my therapist lmao
Yes it was so wholesome! Logic doesn't always have to be "books, paper, and statistics" it could be a mom gently explaining things to a toddler
Logic doesn't always have to be emotionless
I t s s o c u t e
*Remus is revealed as Romans opposite*
Me: of course princey’s opposite would be the mustache twirling villain
Melodic Harmony oh my gosh that makes so much sense!
Romulus and Remus anyone?
I mean, did anyone expect anything different?
@@lamyas7356 oh shoot you're right
Melodic Harmony lmao that's what I was thinking🤣🤣
I love the symbolism of the fact that Virgil went from popping up and disappearing to sinking down and rising up like the others, especially here. It shows that he has gone from “bad” to good and is fully committed to attempting to help
The sticky note at 7:18 says "aunt patty naked" and Roman has said that before in 12 days of Christmas and Roman said "I don't know where that came from"
Holy baluga whales
Bruh look how Thomas is lookin at it
@@clown1jpg
"May visions of sugar plums DANCE through your head tonight, and *not* visions of your naked aunt patty!"
Maybe Roman said that to exclude Thomas from thinking about bad thoughts and revealing the duke
I made that connection too but I didn’t see the sticky note until you pointed it out! (Thanks btw)
My therapist: intrusive thoughts are just thoughts and cannot hurt you
Remus: *standing in the bathroom doorway eating a deodorant stick*
Same but mine would probably have a SpongeBob mask doing a fortnight dance
MOOD
Mood
Therapist: Remus isn’t real, he can’t hurt you.
Remus: ):D
XD
Virgil: You don’t eat deodorant
Remus: *...Maybe you don’t.*
It's the best line in the whole series
But can we just take a moment to look at how the flavor is literally "pickled poo logs?"
Like, Remus, my man, cool your jets 😅!
Kaito Dennis it is just a sticker or something but it’s still funny
Caroline Behlke, I would be really confused if stores actually sold that.
Why is there a sticker for that-
Emphasis on "you".
21:18 I dont think this part gets talked about a lot. It goes from Logan telling the others to listen to Thomas and that he didnt need to be listened to right now, to Thomas starting to ignore Logan and the others slowly joining in too, probably related to how Logan told them to listen to Thomas, not him
Oh damn-
Oh damn indeed
“🖕🏻Oh- What’s that?”
“That- w- Is something Joan would do..”
Timestamp
N o w
True...
@@lnelygacha6424 14:14 you're welcome
That is something I would do
@@ZeroTheGam3r tysm-
I feel like being called paranoid is a serious trigger for Virgil. Which makes a lot of sense considering most people with severe anxiety are often told they're just being paranoid..
Diedra Johns also that Virgil might of been paranoia when he was a dark side but I like the idea you gave
I feel this, because I have GAD and my Virgil is very heightened, and my own mother called me "Paranoid" before I was on medication. I get defensive when I'm called that.
Before that he was was a darkside he was called paranoira and I think patton and logan where the first to find out and he gets very hurt when people called him paranoira because it gives him many memories
.....Paranoia....
When does Remus say that?
“You high jacked my joke! You high joked!”
-Roman 2019
If someone high joked a 420 joke would it be a giant joke
OH HI IM SUSCRIBED TO YOU XD
@@rinneamagism same
• MiniRxse • Same :0 lol
Percy Jackson Fandom same
10:30 That neck crack and the look in Remus’s eyes just tells us that he has found new ammo to f*ck with Thomas, and how he kept bringing Jeffery Dahmer up just to disturb Thomas supports this
Everyone: **gushing about roman**
Roman: no mommy I don't want the mashed potatoes
That played just as I scrolled to your comment
🥲🤚
Wait what’s the time stamp pls
So you see, the gushing is totally warranted.
@@sojej979 12:45
Fitting in: We 👏 get 👏 it 👏 you're 👏 a 👏 dor 👏 able
Dealing With Intrusive Thoughts: That 👏 is 👏 why 👏 I 👏 say 👏 it
We STAN parallels in this household
Logan likes to clap
Logan likes clapping u guess
All of the dark sides appear that match what they represent
Virgil: just appears like anxiety usually does
Deceit: disguises himself as something else like lies disguise as the truth
Remus: pushes other things out of the way
I just imagined Remus pushing all of the sides-
Isa0w0 SaMe XD
I've also noticed that all of the darksides have one thing in common. Patton doesn't like them. He thinks lying is wrong so deceit is a dark side. He thinks that the brand of creativity that Remus represents is bad so Thomas does too. He accepted Virgil so Thomas does as well. Patton is the reason that darksides are darksides.
nuha hasan OMG YOU’RE RIGHT
@Archie - #lgbtpride That's Deceit.
This guy has an insane amount of talent. It's the therapist I need and the entertainment I wanted. Beautiful.
It’s funny how among their similarities, Roman and Remus both have a royal nickname with “Princey” and “The Duke,” but Remus gets a duke because dukes don’t really have power or influence, especially when compared to princes
Insightful!
I don't think thomas put that much thought in but
Ok 👍
@@Pika_X honestly, im sure he did. This not have been *the* reason but it's an interesting concept.
Logan's gotten into you
All I’m thinking about is when another video will come out😂
Me reading the warning
My Morality: *Chuckles* I’m in danger.
Avery Diaz were all in danger
I had to mute it mostly. Aint nothing gonna stop be from watching them bois tho
Avery Diaz I was like “what am I getting myself into” and then I finished the video and I was like “funniest sander sides change my mind” honestly it was not what I was expecting
Ladies and gents here we have: a rare memer. They are very hard to find.
Yikes.
I like how all dark sides (Virgil, Remus and Janus) are all sassy and fashionable gays with a love for scary stuff.
Virgil was paranoia except my paranoia and anxiety are separated and my anxiety told me her name when i was born thats just how anxious i am
Janus & Remus really lean into the flamboyant Disney villain vibe, and I live for it.
AAAAAH I LOVE YOUR PFP
I also like how they're initially portrayed as negative entities but Virgil and Janus are more centered around self preservation than being evil. Not even Remus is really evil, he's just a darker side, everyone has good and evil inside them.
@@ladyvee2090 Well yea. Everyone has good and bad in them. And they are the bad. But all of them have the same goal in the end: protect, so I guess they are not evil, yes, just bad.
34:03 Ik it’s just the lighting, but I love the fact that Roman has two shadows, again showing how there are two sides to creativity
Remus: Have you ever imagined killing your brother?
Thomas in the second part of the moving on video:This is me electrocuting my brother
So the answer was yes
Emily Wright Excuse me? It’s “Electrifying”
@@annaf2370 ? Ok...
@@annaf2370 what? No it isn't , electrifying is arousing a sudden sense of great excitement; thrilling. That has nothing to do with electrocuting which is to injure or kill someone by electric shock.
Nicole Briant I know what it means I didn’t mean it literally. It’s what Thomas said in the video 🤦🏼♀️
Seriously watch it back he says electrifying
Nobody:
Remus: *Pulls out a knife then eats the deodorant*
Cresent Blader I just wanna say your content is *SO FRICKING* underrated
Patton: describes Roman as unbeatable and amazing
Roman: **on the floor** i don’t want mashed potatoes
Me to roman, i dont want mashed potatos either
He IS mashed potatoes
@@roberthughes1495 ahhh??
I appreciate the fact he doesn't want a mashed version of myself
@@angelc4kes that is amazing and funny
The way Virgil said "you bastard-"
LMAO THATS PERFECT GREAT JOB THOMAS!!!!
Late, but what's the timestamp, please?? :]
@@delilah.brooks 20:05 !