@@VFJosh84 ground handling are not trained for immediate response and out of schedule operations like this. We don't know at what point they were asked to help out, and how much time they had to respond.
When I saw the news that in my own country, a bomb threat aircraft landed, my first thing was to check the ATC audio. I was shocked to hear how many times the ground changed where they need to go, the stairs and everything. I would have expected that as soon as they knew (which should have been way earlier than the aircraft landing) that an emergency with bomb threat is coming in for landing, move everything as close as possible there and as soon as they landed evacute everyone via the stairs. But no, they failed to do this.
The stairs were delayed due to ATC delay or weather? They were so lucky this was a false alarm. They knew about this threat while in the air so why werent stairs and emergency crews standing by at B5 ?
That would be a reasonable, proactive measure, in places where there are standrad procedures for handling aircrafts landing with possible bomb threat. BUD is not that place it looks like.
To anyone wondering... As a Hungarian I had to fly to this airport countless times. And yes, it's as bad as it seems. Don't expect anyone to take a bomb threat there seriously. There weren't too many bombs to speak of since the 1956 or 1945 era. People don't really remember bombs anymore. I hope the airport staff learns something from this, but I'll keep my expectations low. That would be work, and there's not a lot of us who like to work in Budapest. Drinking spritzers (fröccs) is the most important in July and August.
Hungarian airport police have their problems. They don't really follow protocols. (I can't really mention examples other than a time when we waited over 30+ minutes for their response for an unattended bag..) You can hear in the recording that they are the ones who are asking ATC to ignore the airport bomb threat protocol..
Glad I will never have to fly into that airport ever again. Completely unprepared on the ground and controllers did a horrible job as well. The Captain kept his cool, but you could hear the stress in his voice upon landing....he wanted to get everyone out immediately. I could not believe my ears when the controller said "you will have to taxi into the stand". What is it about possible BOMB that he didn't understand? Bring the aircraft closer to the terminal? Are you kidding me? I hate to jump to conclusions with a few minutes' clip of the comm's, but I can't imagine that we missed a comm where the Captain said "never mind the threat".
It was clear when he said "no dangerous goods" ;) By the way I fully agree with you. The pilots changed the route, probably had tons of checklists/company contacts/cabin crew briefings/atc communication, and the airport didn't have a plan ready until they were on the runway. And no stairs.
In the end, the crew had no choice but to use the slides because of the moronic management at this airport but there is room for criticism of this crew and especially the captain. There's hardly any sense of urgency in his voice. He sounds weak and is therefore ineffectual. Instructions about parking and evacuation should've been asked for and received earlier in the descent so the airport could prepare. We have the so-called NITS briefing. This can be used for ATC too. Give them a NITS too! Full brief for the ATC should've been given about needs and intentions at least 10 minutes out. This is not me being Captain Hingsight. This kind of stuff is practiced in the simulators and written in detail about in the company manuals.
Hungarian ground services at their best. Looks like there simply isn't a standard procedure to handle bomb threat aircrafts. Ground handling often can't even make it with the stairs to the scheduled flights, nor to an aircraft that is out of the ordinary routines... Good thing they decided not to wait...
There is, all companies should know that. They just simply didn't follow them. Especially the police and Wizz' ground handling company, Menzies Aviation.
*ATC* Exit the runway at Zulu (nearest taxiway) airplane lands and approaches Zulu *ATC* Exit the runway at Bravo Five (farthest taxiway) airplane passes Zulu *ATC* Can you take the next taxiway? Kilo? airplane approaches Kilo *ATC* Wait, we aren't sure if we want you to use Kilo, exit at Bravo Five! It's a damn good thing there wasn't a bomb fixing to explode while ATC dithered. Why didn't they have the stairs available and waiting when they arrived?
ATC was not dithering. They know how to handle their airport and give simple taxi instructions. The problem was whoever The incident Commander was that was in charge of the bomb threat response (That is not an ATC responsibility) was clearly changing their mind constantly. ATC was just the messenger here, not the decision maker. You really think an air traffic controller is the one who is responsible for overall decision making during a bomb threat? No. Lol
With taxiway zulu they would block the further fast exit, and with taxiway kilo they would block an important intersection. I can imagine the logic, the main idea was to get the aircraft out of the runway as soon as possible, but later on they figured out the cons. We should keep in mind the BUD Cargo City, where there are a lot of 747 frighters on a daily basis, and those planes can only fit RWY 31R / 13L (locally referred as RWY 2). And for the stairs there is a huge problem at BUD after one of the main GH company filed bankruptcy because of the pandemic. There is an equipment and workforce shortage on the apron. But I hope the airport learned the lesson, and prepares more for a similar type of emergency.
As a hungarian, who flew to BUD many times: I think the airport ground service one of the fastest, for example I've never had to wait for my checked in luggage more than 10 minutes. We just have to see the facts about what is going on inside the ramp area. So there are different ramp agent companies, Malév Ground Handlig, Celebi GH, Menzies, Aiport Service Budapest Zrt. Malév GH filed it's bankruptcy because of the pandemic, and there is a shortage in the apron of equipment and crew. This is why delivering wquipment is a problem. But I also think it was a different situation, this not the great example how you should treat a bomb threat. I hope that the airport learned the lesson, and prepares more to these types of emergencies. Sets up a stand by equipment or maybe the BUD Fire Service purchases a ladder truck. But don't blame the airport completely, it was one afternoon of it's operation. Think about how many flights did they delivered safely.
This was very poorly handled by all -- except the pilots -- from the get go. Had there been an actual bomb, IMO, there would have been an incident. Thanks for this, YCSATC!! 👍✈️✈️👍
Absolutely pathetic response by the people on the ground. Not necessarily ATC or the controller themselves. Most like the military, police, or airport operations. ATC was just a messenger at that point while the responsible decisions makers clearly diddled around doing nothing. They had plenty of time to have things planned out and ready to go immediately on landing. Thank God it was a false alarm, but their idiocy still injured passengers from the unnecessary emergency evacuation. Well done pilots and honestly well done ATC.
I believe it is the pilots responsibility for the safety of everyone onboard. I don't know anything about this situation. That being said, I feel that watching your videos that some pilots are not strongly assertive in situations like this. I think generally the plane in danger should take charge and not tolerate delay, misinformation or any inappropriate decision making. Perhaps in this situation I might have said something like this on the radio from the pilot...We are landing. Clear all the planes out of the way. If you have stairs near the runway we will use them else we will shutdown and evacuate on the runway. Have several ambulances available. We will be descending rapidly and landing immediate. Please confirm.
For everyone wondering here about how unable this airport really is... Hungarian here: Basically you can expect this type of unprofessionalism all the time, of course depending on the situation, but they can mess up everything, everywhere. Just come to hungary by train (JK dont ever try to use MÁV, our national railway. They are even worse...) good luck coming here on second tought :D
Take a couple of minutes to review the day with ure crew and have candid feedback from all of them. Despite the possible stresses and frustrations every flight is an apporitunity for positive take-aways. Keep calm Debreif the lessons learned and fly safe
No dangerous goods, only a bomb :-)! What a complete and utter fuck up by the ground services. Also shows just how crap people are at following instructions - I mean how do you injure yourself usign the slides in a relatively calm evacuation....
They have an active bomb threat, if they waited (an unknown time) for the stairs and it was a real bomb that went boom then lots of dead body's probably including the flight crew, not an ideal situation but given that no one had thought to get stairs to the holding area prior to arrival probably the best decision the pilots could make
I don’t know what the weather was, but wet stairs could have contributed to many more injuries as people hauled behind getting off the aircraft. If not wet, the panic that could have ensued would still cause more casualties as people climbed over everyone else trying to get off.
No ETA on stairs (which should have arrived as soon as landed) and a bomb about to go off at any time - do you want to be responsible for the plane still being full of passengers when it blows up?
@@jamessimms415 Less likely with stairs - the injuries are usually people running into other people at the bottom of the slides. Rare to get injuries on stairs.
Neither did the people flying from Italy to Poland. You never know what place you might end up if your plane has to divert. Best never take a plane that routes anywhere near Budapest.
I have to go there regularly... So I take the train from Vienna or Zurich. lol The trains can also be dangerous, but at least the police tends to not care about them. And RailJet is pretty chill. I had been harassed by police so many times at Budapest airport, it's just not worth the stress. They're pure evil. At least they don't use their guns as the US police does, but that's the only good thing I can say about the police there.
Shockingly poor response on the ground. Glad the crew kept their cool. Sorry someone got hurt - that must have been terrifying for everyone.
That was a big chaos on Budapest Airport. The result were two serious injuries. Thank you very much for picking this accident up.
This is unbelievable. There is a potential bomb on the plane with 90 people inside and ground is this indecisive. Incredible
A321. it could be a hundred more people actually, think first number was cut off
@@ПлатонТурянский-э6р It was at least not a very profitable flight for Wizzair. In no directions. 86 passengers in an A 321 is indeed few.
Yeah by the time the pilots could have climbed out walked to the apron and drive a couple of stairs to the plane themselves. Shame on the GH company…
@@VFJosh84 ground handling are not trained for immediate response and out of schedule operations like this. We don't know at what point they were asked to help out, and how much time they had to respond.
When I saw the news that in my own country, a bomb threat aircraft landed, my first thing was to check the ATC audio. I was shocked to hear how many times the ground changed where they need to go, the stairs and everything. I would have expected that as soon as they knew (which should have been way earlier than the aircraft landing) that an emergency with bomb threat is coming in for landing, move everything as close as possible there and as soon as they landed evacute everyone via the stairs. But no, they failed to do this.
Indeed. Unfortunately.
The stairs were delayed due to ATC delay or weather? They were so lucky this was a false alarm. They knew about this threat while in the air so why werent stairs and emergency crews standing by at B5 ?
I have noticed that the stairs are NEVER on time. If a bomb had gone off after landing you have many dead due to slow providing of stairs
That would be a reasonable, proactive measure, in places where there are standrad procedures for handling aircrafts landing with possible bomb threat.
BUD is not that place it looks like.
😢😢😢😢 how sad
1:03 is asking about dangerous goods. Is a bomb included in that category?
🤣🤣🤣. no bomb is fully safe 🤣🤣🤣
No dangerous goods other than the possible boom boom ?
I was thinking the same thing 😂
Yes.
I'm shocked at how ground services work
Check the polish example - EPWA services reaction is horrible in emergency situation like this. th-cam.com/video/7mT6VSuGHoY/w-d-xo.html
To anyone wondering... As a Hungarian I had to fly to this airport countless times. And yes, it's as bad as it seems. Don't expect anyone to take a bomb threat there seriously. There weren't too many bombs to speak of since the 1956 or 1945 era. People don't really remember bombs anymore.
I hope the airport staff learns something from this, but I'll keep my expectations low. That would be work, and there's not a lot of us who like to work in Budapest. Drinking spritzers (fröccs) is the most important in July and August.
Hungarian airport police have their problems. They don't really follow protocols. (I can't really mention examples other than a time when we waited over 30+ minutes for their response for an unattended bag..) You can hear in the recording that they are the ones who are asking ATC to ignore the airport bomb threat protocol..
Glad I will never have to fly into that airport ever again. Completely unprepared on the ground and controllers did a horrible job as well. The Captain kept his cool, but you could hear the stress in his voice upon landing....he wanted to get everyone out immediately. I could not believe my ears when the controller said "you will have to taxi into the stand". What is it about possible BOMB that he didn't understand? Bring the aircraft closer to the terminal? Are you kidding me? I hate to jump to conclusions with a few minutes' clip of the comm's, but I can't imagine that we missed a comm where the Captain said "never mind the threat".
It was clear when he said "no dangerous goods" ;)
By the way I fully agree with you. The pilots changed the route, probably had tons of checklists/company contacts/cabin crew briefings/atc communication, and the airport didn't have a plan ready until they were on the runway. And no stairs.
@@michele151 Indeed.
In the end, the crew had no choice but to use the slides because of the moronic management at this airport but there is room for criticism of this crew and especially the captain. There's hardly any sense of urgency in his voice. He sounds weak and is therefore ineffectual. Instructions about parking and evacuation should've been asked for and received earlier in the descent so the airport could prepare. We have the so-called NITS briefing. This can be used for ATC too. Give them a NITS too! Full brief for the ATC should've been given about needs and intentions at least 10 minutes out. This is not me being Captain Hingsight. This kind of stuff is practiced in the simulators and written in detail about in the company manuals.
Hungarian ground services at their best. Looks like there simply isn't a standard procedure to handle bomb threat aircrafts.
Ground handling often can't even make it with the stairs to the scheduled flights, nor to an aircraft that is out of the ordinary routines...
Good thing they decided not to wait...
There is, all companies should know that. They just simply didn't follow them. Especially the police and Wizz' ground handling company, Menzies Aviation.
*ATC* Exit the runway at Zulu (nearest taxiway)
airplane lands and approaches Zulu
*ATC* Exit the runway at Bravo Five (farthest taxiway)
airplane passes Zulu
*ATC* Can you take the next taxiway? Kilo?
airplane approaches Kilo
*ATC* Wait, we aren't sure if we want you to use Kilo, exit at Bravo Five!
It's a damn good thing there wasn't a bomb fixing to explode while ATC dithered.
Why didn't they have the stairs available and waiting when they arrived?
ATC was not dithering. They know how to handle their airport and give simple taxi instructions. The problem was whoever The incident Commander was that was in charge of the bomb threat response (That is not an ATC responsibility) was clearly changing their mind constantly.
ATC was just the messenger here, not the decision maker. You really think an air traffic controller is the one who is responsible for overall decision making during a bomb threat? No. Lol
With taxiway zulu they would block the further fast exit, and with taxiway kilo they would block an important intersection. I can imagine the logic, the main idea was to get the aircraft out of the runway as soon as possible, but later on they figured out the cons. We should keep in mind the BUD Cargo City, where there are a lot of 747 frighters on a daily basis, and those planes can only fit RWY 31R / 13L (locally referred as RWY 2). And for the stairs there is a huge problem at BUD after one of the main GH company filed bankruptcy because of the pandemic. There is an equipment and workforce shortage on the apron.
But I hope the airport learned the lesson, and prepares more for a similar type of emergency.
Indeed.
@@balazsbiro8091 👍 But they should have had that "on the screen" well before the emergency aircraft landed.
@@NicolaW72 agree. Hope BUD learned it's lesson.
As a hungarian, who flew to BUD many times: I think the airport ground service one of the fastest, for example I've never had to wait for my checked in luggage more than 10 minutes. We just have to see the facts about what is going on inside the ramp area. So there are different ramp agent companies, Malév Ground Handlig, Celebi GH, Menzies, Aiport Service Budapest Zrt. Malév GH filed it's bankruptcy because of the pandemic, and there is a shortage in the apron of equipment and crew. This is why delivering wquipment is a problem.
But I also think it was a different situation, this not the great example how you should treat a bomb threat. I hope that the airport learned the lesson, and prepares more to these types of emergencies. Sets up a stand by equipment or maybe the BUD Fire Service purchases a ladder truck.
But don't blame the airport completely, it was one afternoon of it's operation. Think about how many flights did they delivered safely.
Just my thoughts...
Since when does a bomb not constitute dangerous goods!!!!
This was very poorly handled by all -- except the pilots -- from the get go. Had there been an actual bomb, IMO, there would have been an incident. Thanks for this, YCSATC!! 👍✈️✈️👍
Good thing Xiaoma wasn't on this flight, he'd probably suffer a heart attack and I'd turn into a medical emergency.
😂😂😂😂
Absolutely pathetic response by the people on the ground. Not necessarily ATC or the controller themselves. Most like the military, police, or airport operations. ATC was just a messenger at that point while the responsible decisions makers clearly diddled around doing nothing. They had plenty of time to have things planned out and ready to go immediately on landing.
Thank God it was a false alarm, but their idiocy still injured passengers from the unnecessary emergency evacuation.
Well done pilots and honestly well done ATC.
I think the same
Yes, indeed.
I believe it is the pilots responsibility for the safety of everyone onboard. I don't know anything about this situation. That being said, I feel that watching your videos that some pilots are not strongly assertive in situations like this. I think generally the plane in danger should take charge and not tolerate delay, misinformation or any inappropriate decision making. Perhaps in this situation I might have said something like this on the radio from the pilot...We are landing. Clear all the planes out of the way. If you have stairs near the runway we will use them else we will shutdown and evacuate on the runway. Have several ambulances available. We will be descending rapidly and landing immediate. Please confirm.
"Any dangerous goods?" Well, it is a bomb threat...
Unf@ckingbelievable that they were unable to send 2 airstairs within that time.
Poor response by TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS 😢😢😢😢
CAA should have withdrawn licence for ground service.. its a joke. . Thank god I wasn't on that plane.. absolutely unprepared
I wonder if the people that were hurt were trying to get their carry on luggage off the plane as well
always hehehe
And were there bomb or not ? 🫨
Fortunately there was no bomb and it was a false alarm
ATC was a joke I’m afraid.
Very lousy response for such situation...ground crew/services, perhaps also the authorities are needing reevaluation of level of training.
For everyone wondering here about how unable this airport really is...
Hungarian here: Basically you can expect this type of unprofessionalism all the time, of course depending on the situation, but they can mess up everything, everywhere. Just come to hungary by train (JK dont ever try to use MÁV, our national railway. They are even worse...)
good luck coming here on second tought :D
Oh, and also, *First*
(I heard that helps the algorithm)
Take a couple of minutes to review the day with ure crew and have candid feedback from all of them. Despite the possible stresses and frustrations every flight is an apporitunity for positive take-aways.
Keep calm Debreif the lessons learned and fly safe
Is this an excerpt from your lecture series “Apportunities for Positive Takeouts”?
No dangerous goods, only a bomb :-)! What a complete and utter fuck up by the ground services. Also shows just how crap people are at following instructions - I mean how do you injure yourself usign the slides in a relatively calm evacuation....
Panic can be a real threat.. :D
And the onset of panic is irrelevant of actual threat level.
Slides shouldn't have been used surely? Why not get the stairs out there
They have an active bomb threat, if they waited (an unknown time) for the stairs and it was a real bomb that went boom then lots of dead body's probably including the flight crew, not an ideal situation but given that no one had thought to get stairs to the holding area prior to arrival probably the best decision the pilots could make
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I don’t know what the weather was, but wet stairs could have contributed to many more injuries as people hauled behind getting off the aircraft. If not wet, the panic that could have ensued would still cause more casualties as people climbed over everyone else trying to get off.
No ETA on stairs (which should have arrived as soon as landed) and a bomb about to go off at any time - do you want to be responsible for the plane still being full of passengers when it blows up?
@@jamessimms415 Less likely with stairs - the injuries are usually people running into other people at the bottom of the slides. Rare to get injuries on stairs.
omg
Lots of security experts and pilots in the comment section below - be warned.
just a flat INSULTINGLY POOR job. Thank the LORD I don't have to go there
Neither did the people flying from Italy to Poland. You never know what place you might end up if your plane has to divert. Best never take a plane that routes anywhere near Budapest.
I have to go there regularly... So I take the train from Vienna or Zurich. lol The trains can also be dangerous, but at least the police tends to not care about them. And RailJet is pretty chill. I had been harassed by police so many times at Budapest airport, it's just not worth the stress. They're pure evil. At least they don't use their guns as the US police does, but that's the only good thing I can say about the police there.
@@rutgerw. Indeed.