Either way at the end of this episode he was going to become the true Kirk again. Whether he got shot or not. Kirk knew that even if he was killed he would be back. Doesn’t mean it isn’t a kind of death still as this version of him ends. Very well done. I think Kirk was utterly committed here. He knew he would likely not get shot but accepted it when it came.
Wasn't like he was wrong either in that it wasn't a bluff. The security alarms did go off and keep her from destroying the cold fusion reactor. Ultimately her plan failed and so did her backup.
How does Kirk come back after he dies and how would know die at that point if got shot but then lives! What future Kirk is this! So are killing off Kirk so we can see what entire timeline would be like with captain pike still alive and in command of enterprise instead of Kirk?
Paul Wesley did a great job in this. I felt like I was watching a new character. He's likable, Charming , funny. I feel he had a fully formed personality. La'an is a good character. She is very simpithetic and you root for her happiness. Carol Kane was good in this. I felt the acting preformances outweighed a kind of forgettable main story.
The biggest problem with "slowing down" the development of a species by using time travel is that they cannot possibly know where it could lead. They could make things far worse, far better, or simply destroy everything they think they know. They may be time travellers, but only the Q, PERHAPS, can see and know everything about what mucking around with history could even possibly lead to. That's been shown, time and again, in both tv series and films. Plus, Sera simply has no idea what she's doing. She doesn't even guess at the fact that this might not be the Kirk she knows about due to tampering with the timestream. Kirk has even stated that the Earth is uninhabitable in his version, but Humanity still moves out into the stars, colonises other planets, still stands tall against threats like the Romulan Empire. With no Federation, things might even be far worse-just what would Humanity do with threats to it's existence? We've all seen just how far some of the big guns will go if if it comes down to it, Kirk among them. The Romulan Empire might just cease to exist... They are attempting to change events which shape the galaxy for at least a thousand years in the future and make it BETTER. But all she see's is what she is sure should be-Romulan ways and victory. Er, the Romulan Empire literally existed for centuries and never, EVER achieved the heights she clearly believes it deserves. Despite pouring centuries of plots, armed conflict and espionage of all sorts by people a LOT more capable and smart than she is... Very simply, she's trying to stack the deck and failing utterly. The Plan is idiotic, quite simply. But the bond that developed between Kirk and La'an and their efforts to stop this made it all work. Just a shame that the Kirk La'an had clearly fallen for had to die...
I haven't seen the episode, so I am just going on conjecture. It's likely that this Romulan time agent, and probably others, are on a one-way trip, so they have decided to cause as much trouble for humanity and slow their progress in the hopes that it will be a better future for the Romulan Star Empire.
@@isaac3702 Could be, but mucking around with time can have horrible consequences. We've seen some of what could have been. Just trying to sabotage history? There is NO telling what that could do. But maybe they are just willing to risk it?
@@Creasy5678 well, this is after the Earth-Romulan war, and the Klingon War, so those are what likely convinced the Romulans to do this. Any changes to the TL are likely to be seen as a benefit. I mean, it was the Romulans who had been keeping the Alpha Quadrant unstable, and influencing Vulcan politics. All of that came to an end when Earth came around and began getting involved in galactic politics. The Romulans likely see Earth as the main focus on this loss of influence in the region.
This scene was shot at the Royal Conservatory of Music in Toronto. It was so cool to watch this episode because I used to work in that building. Been on that walkway more times than I can count.
This guy does a good Kirk.... Btw. I believe this is the period of the eugenics wars of TOS. I think so. Khan Noonian Singh was one of my very early childhood " inspirations " ... I liked Kirk and Spock... I just liked Khan more. And in different ways. His nobility and ruthlessness. His will and savagery. I appreciate such things. But I'm a sick man. Or so, at least, I have been told many times.
Hey everybody. Regarding Kirks comment on the ears when the romulan is revealed. How do humans from the strange new worlds era know what a romulan looks like?
So La'an knows what Romulans look like due to time travel just like Pike before Kirk and the Enterprise first meet them in Balance of Terror. Who else is going to find out about what the Romulans look like due to time travel? I guess technically Kirk does in this episode but this an alternate version of Kirk who unfortunately meets his end.
@mikemullen8174 I know that Section 31 must have known because of that novel that has Trip Tucker going under cover on Romulas and that his death was faked in the last episode of Star Trek Enterprise. Trip had to disguise himself as a Romulan, and he would be the first human to find out that they look like Vulcans.
The only Romulan she saw was disguised as a human. She doesn't know how extensive the alterations were though. As far as she's aware they could be naturally purple with blue hair and no visible ears at all.
According to the description La'an can provide Romulans look exactly like humans...yeah, probably not their true form, but unfortunately that was all she could determine.
@@Yasuda9000 Those books don't exist and you can't convince me they do. He and T'Pol retired to some colony after 3 more years of missions and disappeared from history.
What sad about this episode is that she fell in love with Jim but from another timeline. Thus the time travelling department have to cut their tracks since Jim is a time anomaly and thus his body is just long gone. It is sad that she talks to her Jim from her timeline but this Jim is not hers and she knows Jim will never be hers.
It's an alternate timeline that got redacted so it doesn't matter. However, La'an did do one thing I was surprised at, a total error....she put down the gun in the same room as the boy. And left it. She left a loaded gun within easy reach of a minor. Seriously? I think she'd have the presence of mind to keep it and bring it back to add to her collection of souvenir weapons.
also, it's a P226 she she shot kirk, and turned into a glock 19 when she was at Khan's door. also the hammer didn't fall back after she shot kirk even though you can see the gun cycle. didn't bother me that much though. also I don't think she collect Souvenir weapons.
@@jannetling1615 What hammer? Whether it's a G19 or a P226 there's no hammer. That was no 1911. But if a 1911 had been used, that have destroyed half the city with that huge .45 cal 230 grain bullet.
Not really, that version of Kirk was from a Timeline that was never suppose to exist. He was a soldier, not an explorer earth was in ruins and he was born on a starship not backon earth in Riverside Iowa. His death left an impact on La'an but it wasn't Kirk as we know him.
@@MbisonBalrog Well from the trailers we see pike with a fleet captain delta and Kirk with Uhura. In TOS Kirk did say he met Pike after he became fleet captain so it is likely we'll see more of main universe Kirk in the future, just not the alternate one from this episode.
wait wtf did they just create a paradox in the star trek Universe because i always thought that was going to end up being Capitan Kirk like on TOS thats bs
What SecretHideOut have been itching to do since they started, kill Kirk. I know, I know, he’s not the ‘real’ Kirk but at this point - they have messed up any canon and continuity there ever was, I’m not certain they know what is ‘prime’ and what is 25% universe, etc anymore
This scene is probably what bothers me the most about the episode Kirk is completely out of character here, what he does here is not Kirk, he would never misinterpret this situation in the way he did and risk his life, especially if there was another solution for him as discussed two minutes earlier A death of Kirk in this episode was inevitable anyway, but then please that of a hero by sacrificing himself for La'an or something like that In the end, his death doesn't even have an effect because the security guards are all killed in one shot anyway It's just badly written
U do understand that this is kirk before he got to b the kirk that we know. This kirk doesn’t have Spock with him. In TOS he was still a little wreckless but not to the extent that we see here and it’s because of Spock. Spock help curve some of that not to mention having 10 years of experience. This version of Kirk we see in this series doesn’t have that experience yet nor is he friends with spock yet. This is more of a back story to HOW kirk got to b the kirk that we know. So chill out already
Seriously? It was pure Kirk. He bluffed that she wouldn't kill them because of the alarms going off, trying to look like he was the one in charge despite not being so.
This was really a wasted opportunity for SNW. Kirk and La'an should've had sex. Then after La'an returns to her Enterprise...learn she is pregnant by the alternate Kirk. THAT! we would've been cool plot thread to explore.
Yeah. The last scene of Pike in the alternate future is of him and Kirk having a chat in Pikes quarters. I mean you can argue that maybe Kirk ended up dying later in the following war, but no, he survived the episode.
Dude Spock literally kicked his ass in any fight they had together. Romulan essentially has the same strength as a Vulcan so it wouldn't have ended well.
So far no unnecessary wokeness. Love it. Remember, there's traditional Star Trek wokeness and then there's unnecessary BS wokeness that has nothing to do with Star Trek.
Even before an interracial kiss, it had a Soviet & a black woman serving as bridge officers. And I’m pretty sure that’s what was meant by “traditional trek wokeness”
@@thegoose1005 Pitiful white boy in fear of societal retribution. They live in terror that the sins of generations will be held against them. It's kinda funny, honestly.
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I'm glad the writers finally remembered that Romulans have Vulcan-style super-strength.
Who knew that Mary Queen of Scots was a time-traveling Romulan?
That would make me a Romulan! 😮
They live among us!
....just saying.
Lesson number 1 everyone should learn about Star Trek; NEVER say that James T Kirk is bluffing
That romulan girl is from the future,she know how Kirk strategy on bluffing
Well, everyone, if you wanted a Vampire Diaries/Reign fanfic crossover, then this is the closest you'll get it.
Either way at the end of this episode he was going to become the true Kirk again. Whether he got shot or not. Kirk knew that even if he was killed he would be back. Doesn’t mean it isn’t a kind of death still as this version of him ends.
Very well done.
I think Kirk was utterly committed here. He knew he would likely not get shot but accepted it when it came.
Wasn't like he was wrong either in that it wasn't a bluff. The security alarms did go off and keep her from destroying the cold fusion reactor. Ultimately her plan failed and so did her backup.
How does Kirk come back
after he dies and how would know die at that point if got shot but then lives! What future Kirk is this! So are killing off Kirk so we can see what entire timeline would be like with captain pike still alive and in command of enterprise instead of Kirk?
Paul Wesley did a great job in this. I felt like I was watching a new character. He's likable, Charming , funny. I feel he had a fully formed personality.
La'an is a good character. She is very simpithetic and you root for her happiness.
Carol Kane was good in this.
I felt the acting preformances outweighed a kind of forgettable main story.
He’s like to perfect mix of Shatner and Pine! Really looking forward to seeing more of him!
The biggest problem with "slowing down" the development of a species by using time travel is that they cannot possibly know where it could lead. They could make things far worse, far better, or simply destroy everything they think they know. They may be time travellers, but only the Q, PERHAPS, can see and know everything about what mucking around with history could even possibly lead to. That's been shown, time and again, in both tv series and films.
Plus, Sera simply has no idea what she's doing. She doesn't even guess at the fact that this might not be the Kirk she knows about due to tampering with the timestream. Kirk has even stated that the Earth is uninhabitable in his version, but Humanity still moves out into the stars, colonises other planets, still stands tall against threats like the Romulan Empire. With no Federation, things might even be far worse-just what would Humanity do with threats to it's existence? We've all seen just how far some of the big guns will go if if it comes down to it, Kirk among them. The Romulan Empire might just cease to exist...
They are attempting to change events which shape the galaxy for at least a thousand years in the future and make it BETTER. But all she see's is what she is sure should be-Romulan ways and victory.
Er, the Romulan Empire literally existed for centuries and never, EVER achieved the heights she clearly believes it deserves. Despite pouring centuries of plots, armed conflict and espionage of all sorts by people a LOT more capable and smart than she is... Very simply, she's trying to stack the deck and failing utterly.
The Plan is idiotic, quite simply.
But the bond that developed between Kirk and La'an and their efforts to stop this made it all work. Just a shame that the Kirk La'an had clearly fallen for had to die...
I haven't seen the episode, so I am just going on conjecture. It's likely that this Romulan time agent, and probably others, are on a one-way trip, so they have decided to cause as much trouble for humanity and slow their progress in the hopes that it will be a better future for the Romulan Star Empire.
@@isaac3702 Could be, but mucking around with time can have horrible consequences. We've seen some of what could have been. Just trying to sabotage history? There is NO telling what that could do. But maybe they are just willing to risk it?
@@Creasy5678 well, this is after the Earth-Romulan war, and the Klingon War, so those are what likely convinced the Romulans to do this. Any changes to the TL are likely to be seen as a benefit.
I mean, it was the Romulans who had been keeping the Alpha Quadrant unstable, and influencing Vulcan politics. All of that came to an end when Earth came around and began getting involved in galactic politics. The Romulans likely see Earth as the main focus on this loss of influence in the region.
@@isaac3702 I entirely agree.
@@isaac3702Ironically, I believe, that they never or hardly ever came up in Enterprise nor became involved with Jonathan Archer and his crew.
Should have added in an "Oh my." 😂
this is the first time i cried to trek, great episode
Same
“This was supposed to happen in 1992”
😳
let's say this kirk survived and the y went back to la'ans universe he would be recruited into section 31
That is if he’s even survive. Philippa had an issue being in Discovery’s universe.
@@shreddersaurusrex323retcons DO happen. However, messing around with the CW speed force, however...
How about this alternate Kirk survived and started the family line of Kirk's. Until James T Kirk was born.
2 Kirk will be too OP for the Laan federation timeline
@@shreddersaurusrex323 philippa is from a different universe/timeline. this kirk is from a different timeline.
Who else was waiting to ing for Kirk to ask L’aan “ Did we make a difference? It was fun. Oh my…”
Reminds me of the Carbon Creek ep where the Vulcan hustled at pool
one of my favorite episodes.
They should have just gone to the Hockey Hall Of Fame. It's a a great deal of fun.
This scene was shot at the Royal Conservatory of Music in Toronto. It was so cool to watch this episode because I used to work in that building. Been on that walkway more times than I can count.
This guy does a good Kirk.... Btw. I believe this is the period of the eugenics wars of TOS. I think so.
Khan Noonian Singh was one of my very early childhood " inspirations " ... I liked Kirk and Spock... I just liked Khan more. And in different ways. His nobility and ruthlessness. His will and savagery.
I appreciate such things. But I'm a sick man. Or so, at least, I have been told many times.
So does La'an come to realize how famous Kirk will become?
Hey everybody. Regarding Kirks comment on the ears when the romulan is revealed. How do humans from the strange new worlds era know what a romulan looks like?
People in the comments are so stupid, they dont realize this is an alternate history kirk with alternate personality
This isn’t Kirk.
On the next Strange New Worlds: La'An heads to the future and crashes the Enterprise -D!
So La'an knows what Romulans look like due to time travel just like Pike before Kirk and the Enterprise first meet them in Balance of Terror. Who else is going to find out about what the Romulans look like due to time travel? I guess technically Kirk does in this episode but this an alternate version of Kirk who unfortunately meets his end.
I'm pretty sure Starfleet knew, but managed to keep it a deep dark secret until the encounter with Kirk's Enterprise.
@mikemullen8174 I know that Section 31 must have known because of that novel that has Trip Tucker going under cover on Romulas and that his death was faked in the last episode of Star Trek Enterprise. Trip had to disguise himself as a Romulan, and he would be the first human to find out that they look like Vulcans.
The only Romulan she saw was disguised as a human. She doesn't know how extensive the alterations were though. As far as she's aware they could be naturally purple with blue hair and no visible ears at all.
According to the description La'an can provide Romulans look exactly like humans...yeah, probably not their true form, but unfortunately that was all she could determine.
@@Yasuda9000 Those books don't exist and you can't convince me they do. He and T'Pol retired to some colony after 3 more years of missions and disappeared from history.
OMG , she is Ivy Drizella OUAT
What sad about this episode is that she fell in love with Jim but from another timeline. Thus the time travelling department have to cut their tracks since Jim is a time anomaly and thus his body is just long gone.
It is sad that she talks to her Jim from her timeline but this Jim is not hers and she knows Jim will never be hers.
James, Jim is his brother
@@dariuscain2458 ??? No???
James T Kirk was a great man, but that was another life.
Sera should have just said that she caught her head in a rice picker
It's an alternate timeline that got redacted so it doesn't matter. However, La'an did do one thing I was surprised at, a total error....she put down the gun in the same room as the boy. And left it. She left a loaded gun within easy reach of a minor. Seriously? I think she'd have the presence of mind to keep it and bring it back to add to her collection of souvenir weapons.
True but this is the second time they have killed off a alternate timeline kirk.....
also, it's a P226 she she shot kirk, and turned into a glock 19 when she was at Khan's door. also the hammer didn't fall back after she shot kirk even though you can see the gun cycle. didn't bother me that much though. also I don't think she collect Souvenir weapons.
@@jannetling1615 What hammer? Whether it's a G19 or a P226 there's no hammer. That was no 1911. But if a 1911 had been used, that have destroyed half the city with that huge .45 cal 230 grain bullet.
Minor's are irrelevant
@johnsoncm65 Sigs have hammers, glocks don't.
Ain’t no way that security door says unlocked that long irl.
KurtzmanTrek in one scene.
The time agency should have saved him or else disrupts timeline
Not really, that version of Kirk was from a Timeline that was never suppose to exist. He was a soldier, not an explorer earth was in ruins and he was born on a starship not backon earth in Riverside Iowa. His death left an impact on La'an but it wasn't Kirk as we know him.
@@141414 be cool if he appears in other episodes.
@@MbisonBalrog Well from the trailers we see pike with a fleet captain delta and Kirk with Uhura. In TOS Kirk did say he met Pike after he became fleet captain so it is likely we'll see more of main universe Kirk in the future, just not the alternate one from this episode.
I'm thinking the agency did intervene between the scenes and we'll end up seeing it in a future episode.
This Kirk does not have the same personality characteristic of the original Captain Kirk play by William Shaftner!
I wonder if the Lathanites are Gary Seven's people.
How does she know what a Romulan looks like?
Damn dies again...
Tenaya 7 still talks too much.
It's been fun.
wait wtf did they just create a paradox in the star trek Universe because i always thought that was going to end up being Capitan Kirk like on TOS thats bs
What SecretHideOut have been itching to do since they started, kill Kirk. I know, I know, he’s not the ‘real’ Kirk but at this point - they have messed up any canon and continuity there ever was, I’m not certain they know what is ‘prime’ and what is 25% universe, etc anymore
Did you even watch the episode? You couldn’t have to come to that conclusion.
This scene is probably what bothers me the most about the episode
Kirk is completely out of character here, what he does here is not Kirk, he would never misinterpret this situation in the way he did and risk his life, especially if there was another solution for him as discussed two minutes earlier
A death of Kirk in this episode was inevitable anyway, but then please that of a hero by sacrificing himself for La'an or something like that
In the end, his death doesn't even have an effect because the security guards are all killed in one shot anyway
It's just badly written
U do understand that this is kirk before he got to b the kirk that we know. This kirk doesn’t have Spock with him. In TOS he was still a little wreckless but not to the extent that we see here and it’s because of Spock. Spock help curve some of that not to mention having 10 years of experience. This version of Kirk we see in this series doesn’t have that experience yet nor is he friends with spock yet. This is more of a back story to HOW kirk got to b the kirk that we know. So chill out already
You are kidding right? This is by far the most Kirk move he could have possible do in this situation
Seriously? It was pure Kirk. He bluffed that she wouldn't kill them because of the alarms going off, trying to look like he was the one in charge despite not being so.
This was really a wasted opportunity for SNW. Kirk and La'an should've had sex.
Then after La'an returns to her Enterprise...learn she is pregnant by the alternate Kirk.
THAT! we would've been cool plot thread to explore.
Is killing off Kirk going to be a running theme with STNW? They killed him in the last episode he was in and now they have killed him again.....
Probably just the alternate timeline versions of him
He didn’t die in the last episode he was in, did he? It was Spock that got injured.
Yeah. The last scene of Pike in the alternate future is of him and Kirk having a chat in Pikes quarters.
I mean you can argue that maybe Kirk ended up dying later in the following war, but no, he survived the episode.
@@Simmons8519 o I thought he blew up in that ship
It's the South Park version of Star Trek! Oh my god! They killed Kirk!
Interesting
I don't like this
#NotMyKirk The real James T. Kirk would have faked obedience before body-slamming her to the ground.
then again this is alternate james t. kirk
Probably not the smartest thing to do... To a Romulan!
Well the real James T Kirk isn’t a soldier in a war against Romulus. ;P
Dude Spock literally kicked his ass in any fight they had together. Romulan essentially has the same strength as a Vulcan so it wouldn't have ended well.
If la'an was an actual augment, she would have held her own if not slightly overpowered Sera.
This Kirk is not 1/1000th Shatner's Original Kirk.
Well he can act which is a bonus
All modern writing is the same when it comes to white male legacy ST characters.
Imagine them doing this to Uhura?
Terrible... terrible episode. I don't mind Kirk and La'an, but a time traveling Romulan and kid Khan???? Ughhhhh!!!!!!!!!! 👎👎👎👎
Typical strong female character. Ask them a question and never answer. Information that could help.
So far no unnecessary wokeness. Love it. Remember, there's traditional Star Trek wokeness and then there's unnecessary BS wokeness that has nothing to do with Star Trek.
Star Trek has always been "woke". It was the first show with an interracial kiss.
Even before an interracial kiss, it had a Soviet & a black woman serving as bridge officers.
And I’m pretty sure that’s what was meant by “traditional trek wokeness”
The fascist sneer "woke" is getting fucking old.
And what is this "unnecessary" wokeness you talk about?
@@thegoose1005 Pitiful white boy in fear of societal retribution. They live in terror that the sins of generations will be held against them. It's kinda funny, honestly.