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@@miniware We need a real soldering station from UniWare. We need something like a real induction soldering iron based on curie effect. A real induction system based on 13.56 Mhz from miniware would be very,very sweet. ♥♥♥
Cool design, I like it. Except for that flex PCB touching the supercapacitor. It's a pity they used TS80P tips instead of TS100. It lacks a bit of power for me.
Based on the internal resistance of the soldering iron tip and the size of the soldering iron tip, the TS80 series soldering iron tip is more suitable as a cordless soldering iron.
@@miniware So what about a future curie induction soldering system? Are you working on it,because if yes,then i'm preparing to bring my wallet and buy it :) Thanks.
This plus a capable Powerbank and you are suited for almost everything. I like that they use a Super Capacitor instead of a battery, because the battery will probably fail after a couple of years - especially if you don't solder frequently.
Can you walk across the room away from the base station and still solder? I could see this being really handy for in situ soldering of equipment, wire bundles, etc inside large equipment without having to rig up a soldering station and extension cord.
Yes, good point. Does the handpiece continue to function if it loses communication with the base station? I could envisage this might occur if you take it away from the bench to solder something some distance away - e.g. outside, garage, etc. Steve, could you test this?
That's quite a capable little station you have there Steve. Something which I think I would have probably tried myself when I was first starting out as a hobbyist and looking at the price I think you're getting a lot for your money. Great review though, and thanks for sharing
Quite a different product. Seems good enough for small jobs. For portable work that has low advantage over USB-C PD iron with PD powerbank. Sure, a more compact but give an iron a 10000 to 20000mAh PD power bank and you have lot more power. I did not see a test if it works without a cradle or if you need usb power for it anyway for portable jobs.
That is not a supercapacitor but a Lithium battery 2.5V to 4.2V range with 300mA capacity designed for high cycle life. The 750F capacitance is just the equivalent but it is not a capacitor. Cycle life seems to be around 50k cycles before capacity is at 70% of original. Not only that but there is also a calendar degradation and if stored fully charged will likely need to be replaced after 2 or 3 years.
@@joshdau They did not provide exact details of how those 50k cycles where made. This battery is in a 1840 size format and has only 300mA where a slightly larger 1865 can be found in 3000mA capacity so an order of magnitude larger capacity. If you take that 3000mA and only do 10% DOD cycles somewhere in the middle of the voltage range it can do 50k cycles with no problem. So this battery was optimized for cycle life to the detriment of energy density. Some other Lithium chemistry like LiFePO4 can do 500k cycles at 5% DOD. In any case my comment was about the fact that this has nothing to do with a super-capacitor. Super-capacitors have such a low energy density that it will not be worth to combine with a Lithium battery. Also super-capacitors are 2.5 - 2.7V so you will need two of them in series to parallel with a Lithium battery that charges to 4.2V. If they could have used a supercapacitor then it will have made this a product that could be used for decades with no problems but since it is a Lithium battery it will likely end in the landfill in about 5 years.
@@electrodacus Voltage drop is linear which makes it a supercap to me. LIC1840Q3R8757 "A lithium-ion capacitor (LIC or LiC) is a hybrid type of capacitor classified as a type of supercapacitor. It is called a hybrid because the anode is the same as those used in lithium-ion batteries and the cathode is the same as those used in supercapacitors"
@@jaro6985 What they show there (in the spec sheet) is a high discharge rate 1C and 2C and at those sort of discharge rates a Lithium battery will discharge fairly linearly as well. But a supercapacitor will not have that discharge curve shown in that manual. When half discharged a capacitor voltage will not be at half the voltage range but much higher voltage. This so called hybrid capacitor has a capacity of 1Wh and in same size 1840 you can buy a 60F 2.7V supercapacitor with just 0.06Wh. So if you want to build a hybrid supercap/battery then the capacitor part can not represent even 5% of the total. Hi energy density lithium cells have a flat charge discharge curve if you keep them in the recommended range typical 4.1 to 3.3V
I like the design, the addition of screwed terminals for the supercap seems like replacing it is doable? How long can it solder before it needs to be charged again?
If it's fully discharged, around 2 minutes is enough. Yes I did think it is a good idea that it's replaceable, though I'm not sure what kind of lifetime to expect.
I think the price is kind of ok but I think I’ll wait till one that accepts jbc tips comes out as you get a better tip selection, at the moment I just use one that connects to a powerbank and uses jbc tips, obviously that’s not my main iron as I got like 10 other stations including jbc, metcal, Hakko, weller, ersa and so on
Will you be reviewing the new Aixun H310D Hotair Station? I find the formfactor quite nice, but not sure about the price and the features. Would appreciate your insights on the product :)
i have a t12 i made with 18650's i take with me lasts a couple hours, you can actually buy a pre made psu board from ksger and others that is designed for 18650's this is okay but for the time you get to solder vs the time it takes to charge i just dont know if its worth it. also they should have went with 100 tips vs the 80 imo with these. but the 80 may have been easier to drive. imo they should have just went with a battery inside vs the cap. i wonder if one could change out the cap for a battery
Why do you think it'll degrade? Couldn't the same thing be said of something with a lithium battery ? It is a capacitor after all and I hazard a capacitor will survive many more cycles than any battery.
Well, these are CONSTANTLY cycling charges. If you cycled a lipo as many times as this.. it wouldn’t last long. These are probably going to start to degrade in a year of regular use imo, yes that’s longer than a lipo, but in the grand scheme of things it might not be practically long.. but time will tell as I can’t find much on this particular cap
@@wafu6058 Its right in the datasheet (LIC1840Q3R8757), 50,000 cycles at least. If you solder for 5mins from one cycle, thats like 170 days of continuous soldering, it wont degrade in a year.
This is just a toy. And OLED displays are terrible. Not sure why Chinese companies think they need to use them in everything. Miniware should try making a bench station.
With 750 Farad the capacitor inside the soldering iron would hold as much energy as 10 (!! TEN !!) AA NiMh Batteries, exactly 26730.8 milliamperes houra. Even more unbekieveable that it should have double the voltage, compared to NiMh cells. In my calxulationn, i even did not take any voltage differential into account. Something is not quite right here... Maybe i just can not calxulate any more or something else here smells like fish!
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Do you have a link for the magnetic pcb holder when soldering?
The electronics technicians hard at work in their workshops in the 1980s or 1990s could never have imagined of such a soldering iron.
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Thank you!
@@miniware We need a real soldering station from UniWare.
We need something like a real induction soldering iron based on curie effect.
A real induction system based on 13.56 Mhz from miniware would be very,very sweet.
♥♥♥
just when you thought that you had run out of soldering irons to review you found another. 🙂
There's 12 in the to do pile 👀
I hear Steve has talked his wife into changing one of their spare rooms into a "Soldering Iron Stock Room".
@@IanScottJohnston The last time he turned them all on the lights dimmed here.🙂
@@sdgelectronics I would love to see a review on the Japanese made [TAIYO GOOT RX-802AS]. 🤔
What a time to be alive! Mad iron!
Cool design, I like it. Except for that flex PCB touching the supercapacitor. It's a pity they used TS80P tips instead of TS100. It lacks a bit of power for me.
Based on the internal resistance of the soldering iron tip and the size of the soldering iron tip, the TS80 series soldering iron tip is more suitable as a cordless soldering iron.
@@miniware
So what about a future curie induction soldering system?
Are you working on it,because if yes,then i'm preparing to bring my wallet and buy it :)
Thanks.
@@gregandark8571 Sorry, there is no technical reserve in this area.
Its like the modern re-imagining of a iso-tip soldering iron.
This plus a capable Powerbank and you are suited for almost everything.
I like that they use a Super Capacitor instead of a battery, because the battery will probably fail after a couple of years - especially if you don't solder frequently.
Can you walk across the room away from the base station and still solder? I could see this being really handy for in situ soldering of equipment, wire bundles, etc inside large equipment without having to rig up a soldering station and extension cord.
Yes, good point. Does the handpiece continue to function if it loses communication with the base station?
I could envisage this might occur if you take it away from the bench to solder something some distance away - e.g. outside, garage, etc.
Steve, could you test this?
That's quite a capable little station you have there Steve. Something which I think I would have probably tried myself when I was first starting out as a hobbyist and looking at the price I think you're getting a lot for your money. Great review though, and thanks for sharing
Quite a different product. Seems good enough for small jobs. For portable work that has low advantage over USB-C PD iron with PD powerbank. Sure, a more compact but give an iron a 10000 to 20000mAh PD power bank and you have lot more power.
I did not see a test if it works without a cradle or if you need usb power for it anyway for portable jobs.
I like the idea of no lithium battery. I guess this thing will last a lifetime if the software in the micro controllers flash doesn't let you down.
Not sure on the lifetime of supercapacitors. It should be far better than a lipo though
50 000 cycles degradation
That is not a supercapacitor but a Lithium battery 2.5V to 4.2V range with 300mA capacity designed for high cycle life. The 750F capacitance is just the equivalent but it is not a capacitor.
Cycle life seems to be around 50k cycles before capacity is at 70% of original. Not only that but there is also a calendar degradation and if stored fully charged will likely need to be replaced after 2 or 3 years.
Show me a lithium-ion battery that only degrades to 70% capacity after 50,000 cycles...
@@joshdau They did not provide exact details of how those 50k cycles where made.
This battery is in a 1840 size format and has only 300mA where a slightly larger 1865 can be found in 3000mA capacity so an order of magnitude larger capacity.
If you take that 3000mA and only do 10% DOD cycles somewhere in the middle of the voltage range it can do 50k cycles with no problem.
So this battery was optimized for cycle life to the detriment of energy density.
Some other Lithium chemistry like LiFePO4 can do 500k cycles at 5% DOD.
In any case my comment was about the fact that this has nothing to do with a super-capacitor. Super-capacitors have such a low energy density that it will not be worth to combine with a Lithium battery. Also super-capacitors are 2.5 - 2.7V so you will need two of them in series to parallel with a Lithium battery that charges to 4.2V.
If they could have used a supercapacitor then it will have made this a product that could be used for decades with no problems but since it is a Lithium battery it will likely end in the landfill in about 5 years.
@@electrodacus Voltage drop is linear which makes it a supercap to me. LIC1840Q3R8757 "A lithium-ion capacitor (LIC or LiC) is a hybrid type of capacitor classified as a type of supercapacitor. It is called a hybrid because the anode is the same as those used in lithium-ion batteries and the cathode is the same as those used in supercapacitors"
@@jaro6985 What they show there (in the spec sheet) is a high discharge rate 1C and 2C and at those sort of discharge rates a Lithium battery will discharge fairly linearly as well.
But a supercapacitor will not have that discharge curve shown in that manual.
When half discharged a capacitor voltage will not be at half the voltage range but much higher voltage.
This so called hybrid capacitor has a capacity of 1Wh and in same size 1840 you can buy a 60F 2.7V supercapacitor with just 0.06Wh.
So if you want to build a hybrid supercap/battery then the capacitor part can not represent even 5% of the total.
Hi energy density lithium cells have a flat charge discharge curve if you keep them in the recommended range typical 4.1 to 3.3V
I like the design, the addition of screwed terminals for the supercap seems like replacing it is doable?
How long can it solder before it needs to be charged again?
If it's fully discharged, around 2 minutes is enough. Yes I did think it is a good idea that it's replaceable, though I'm not sure what kind of lifetime to expect.
This is pretty cool but does it work away from the base station like 100 yards away does anyone know. Thanks
They could've have put a barrel on back of the station too, hate being locked into "smart" psus
Is the performance different when using a cable directly with the soldering iron? Especially with the high temp mass pcbs. Cheers
No different, just doesn't run flat!
I think the price is kind of ok but I think I’ll wait till one that accepts jbc tips comes out as you get a better tip selection, at the moment I just use one that connects to a powerbank and uses jbc tips, obviously that’s not my main iron as I got like 10 other stations including jbc, metcal, Hakko, weller, ersa and so on
Maybe a nice solution for automotive usage.
Does it also charge the supercap through the USB port on the back of the handpiece?
Yes.
supercapacitor I finally see them in devices
Will you be reviewing the new Aixun H310D Hotair Station?
I find the formfactor quite nice, but not sure about the price and the features. Would appreciate your insights on the product :)
Video will be early next week
@@sdgelectronics nice! Looking forward to it :)
What would be the longevity of the supercap?
50,000+ cycles are claimed.
i have a t12 i made with 18650's i take with me lasts a couple hours, you can actually buy a pre made psu board from ksger and others that is designed for 18650's this is okay but for the time you get to solder vs the time it takes to charge i just dont know if its worth it. also they should have went with 100 tips vs the 80 imo with these. but the 80 may have been easier to drive. imo they should have just went with a battery inside vs the cap. i wonder if one could change out the cap for a battery
It would be better if it came with interchangeable capacitor
Bluetooth soldering iron wtf💀💀💀
Wonder what sort of life span we can expect from something like this, as well as how long until we start seeing degraded performance?
Why do you think it'll degrade? Couldn't the same thing be said of something with a lithium battery ? It is a capacitor after all and I hazard a capacitor will survive many more cycles than any battery.
It should survive significantly longer than a LiPo cell, but supercapacitors do fail over time with increased ESR.
Well, these are CONSTANTLY cycling charges. If you cycled a lipo as many times as this.. it wouldn’t last long. These are probably going to start to degrade in a year of regular use imo, yes that’s longer than a lipo, but in the grand scheme of things it might not be practically long.. but time will tell as I can’t find much on this particular cap
@@wafu6058 Its right in the datasheet (LIC1840Q3R8757), 50,000 cycles at least. If you solder for 5mins from one cycle, thats like 170 days of continuous soldering, it wont degrade in a year.
Just another gimmick I'll keep my Weller thank you
You can at least have a chance of finding parts for it.
its waller sording iron the best ,i hope its rechargeable too
First comment again. I am considering buying it, but i have 20 or more in my collection from before. 🙂
20 should be enough!
This is just a toy. And OLED displays are terrible. Not sure why Chinese companies think they need to use them in everything. Miniware should try making a bench station.
With 750 Farad the capacitor inside the soldering iron would hold as much energy as 10 (!! TEN !!) AA NiMh Batteries, exactly 26730.8 milliamperes houra. Even more unbekieveable that it should have double the voltage, compared to NiMh cells. In my calxulationn, i even did not take any voltage differential into account.
Something is not quite right here...
Maybe i just can not calxulate any more or something else here smells like fish!
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