I'm a lifelong liberal Dem and I WILL BE DONATING TO CHENEY (and others) DEFENSE. I disagree with her policies in 100 ways, but godd ddamn she's a patriot.
As a progressive left-wing Australian, one of the things I hate about the Democrats is the way they have blamed Merrick Garland for this catastrophe. If they ever knew, they have forgotten about Mitch McConnel etc, and seem unaware of the impact of the SC immunity ruling.
Thank Biden and others for accepting this fraud filled election as good while you are at it. They are in it together. That's the game too few understand. These folks in angst in this video supported the repubs for a long time. Ca-CHING is their game.
@@lizryan513 That came AFTER the period in which Garland could have been more aggressive. McConnell can’t say squat about what the DOJ does. Garland sat on his hands because the states were going after Trump and he didn’t think he needed to; but he needed to. Trying to overturn the election and overthrow the government was not something any sane, rational person could just let pass. Garland would probably have done okay as a Supreme Court justice, but not as a prosecutor.
Her father put over 150,000 people, including Americans, through a Hell that lingers today. He did so to make money for his the company he ran. His stock options matured in the year he left office, 2009. I feel for her but...Karma.
Hey, Tim! Just wanted to say that I consider myself center left, and I was, and still am, delighted and grateful for Liz Cheney, Adam Kinsinger, Olivia Troye and other true patriots who have already paid a price for being pro-democracy.
I’m a 56 year old, life long leftist. I do not blame Liz Cheney for the stupidity and arrogance of the American people, the hatred and racism at the core of this country that got us our first official dictator. Liz Cheney is a true patriot. I despised her father and all he represented, yet he shocked me by doing the right thing (for once) and supporting Kamala. I never agreed with Liz Cheney’s policies, but her courage and true patriotism cannot be disputed. I support her 100%
I m moderate. We Dems need to look at the natl DNC, our state parties ( here in NC the state Dems just let us float down the gerrymandered river without oars) & so now>> ALL politics is local. My sleeves are rolled WAY up to fight for my local public schools system . See you guys in 2026.
And I greatly appreciated Dick Chaney, attending Memorial services for police officers who died , protecting our Capitol building , and politicians trying to do our countries business .
Dick Cheney took down Saddam Hussein and stood up to Trump. Maybe he isn't as bad as you were led to believe. Maybe he got a bad rap and his daughter learned the right things from him.
No she is self serving. She even voted not to impeach him, coming right out and saying she thought he was guilty. That is not being strong. That is not standing up to bullies. She switched sides YEARS too late. And she caused a lot of harm because of that.
@@csquared973 It's like the Joker is now the mayor of Gotham and instead of VP Batman we're stuck with his butler Alfred trying to fight all the bad guys for us.
I despised Dick Cheney, i am a lifelong dem. Liz Cheney is the epitome of a true patriot. Hate her policies, love the brave woman. I'd be honored to help with any fund started for her.
BUT… she DID support Trump in 2016. And for THAT: I will gladly see her jailed. Even if it IS for made up crimes. Because her REAL CRIME was ever supporting the foul turd. She needs to be punished. ALL PEOPLE who ever supported that buffoon deserve to be punished. Does it really matter WHO does the punishing? Or why?
Right with ya. Can't wait till they have a program on the $20 BILLION DOLLARS Joe Biden just handed Ukraine without Congressional approval. As a leftist this smites of anti-democratic authoritarian rule. You and I both know that the money will be spent on mega corporations to fatten their purses, and needless to say cost untold thousand more lives. I just don't know what the future is gonna hold with my beloved Democrat Party.
Is she though? Cheney didn't expose all the Republican voter suppression and racial gerrymandering. She could have made the whole of America aware of that. She did not. Why?
Okay,to be clear...this is same President that said he would be in favor of suspending the Constitution. DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY INTEND TO FOLLOW THE RULES FOR LAW MAKING????
And I’m, along with millions of other disabled people who are going to lose Social Security, Medicare and SNAP is going to be out in the streets because budget cuts are so important to Republicans
75 year o.d lefty who respects Liz, who stood up, and despite former policies, is a hero. Liz - standing up for democracy, truth, the constitution, and . . . some of us.
Center left Democrat, who voted for Kamala. I would financially support Liz Cheney’s defense in a heartbeat. I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a profile in courage in my entire lifetime. She’s sacrificed it ALL on the altar of truth.
As a Democrat, I was hoping that Kamala would have been able to give Liz Cheney the Medal of Honor. I don’t agree with her policies, but she is a patriot who deserves our support if they go after her. Thank you, Liz.
I'm a Canadian and I will also contribute to her GoFundMe. I think Tim had it wrong. This kind of malicious conduct can bankrupt anyone with needless legal fees. I too don't support her ideals (and certainly not her father's), but this is a "good vs evil" battle that evil can not be allowed to win!
@@Doodelz02 She fn lied she was colluding with Hutchinson without her lawyer all that women said was a lie.Cheney knew it was a lie but she wanted to get back at Trump for what he said about her father.Trump was right Dick Cheney is a war criminal he lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and he knew he was lying.Thousands off people died from his lies, but what do you care it was not in your family.Liz Cheney lied in the jan 6th committee,they deleted 1 terabyte of evidence quit being sheep and fact check it ffs.
Time to send Musk back to South Africa. Why does this South African have so much say about how to run the American gov't? Musk was not elected to do squat.
Tim, stop attacking "the liberals"! I'm a liberal and I have always appreciated what L Cheney did and loved that she supported K Harris. Please stop slamming liberals unfairly and hear us. A few who complained do not represent us who support truth, bravery, and real love for country! Love you, but please!
These are repub helpers who discovered a new money niche. Don't make them anymore than that. Trump's other side. The grift game is the same in show biz world. YT punditry is a show to behold!
Liz Cheney et.al. of the January 6th Committee were all exercising “OFFICIAL ACTS” under the color of Congressional and Constitutional responsibilities of authority delegated to them.
I am 73, an old lefty hippie from back in the day--Liz Cheney was just what the Democrats needed in the campaign. I really wanted Kamala to win. I blame those other Democrats for sitting out the election for the shit show we will have to survive these next 4 years.
Are we *sure* those dems sat out the election? Maybe *the orange thing cheated in a million different ways using a million+ civilians all across the nation???*
Have you asked why some democrats sat out? It would've done Harris a lot of good if she didn't take progressive voters for granted and reached out for their support. Keep in mind Harris specifically told Bernie Sanders she didn't want his help on the campaign trail. Harris actively alienated progressives, but expected their votes anyways.
I loved to study the hippie years in school and all the riots and demonstrations for thee cival rights oee people back when people had to write in cursave and only had Black an white tvvs.
I am a staunch Democrat, but I admire the strength and power of Liz Cheney. I do not agree with her politics, I admire her love of country and that she will not sacrifice her principles. Maga has made a huge mistake in not recognizing how powerful she is.
Liz Cheney is a lawyer, her husband is a lawyer and I am sure she knows more lawyers good lawyers than Trump has bad lawyers. Adam and Liz need to be protected at all costs.
If a huge amount of people are willing to contribute to legal costs against Trump’s ‘lawfare’ it would at least make a visible point that the resistance is alive and committed.
I think Sarah is right about the seriousness of this. There are at least 3000 things that Loudermilk could be just as upset about, but he still remembers that Liz Cheney made him look bad to democrats three years ago. That is a level of vindictiveness that we should all be afraid of.
During Donald Trump's presidency, the top 1% received $60 billion per year in tax savings. The wealth of the top 1% increased 32%. The poverty rate rose to 11.7%. Homelessness increased 6%. "When the rich rob the poor it's called business. When the poor fight back it's called violence" Mark Twain Welcome to AmeriKKKa
I didn’t know Elon musk was running for any govt position nor was he on ballot He sure has a lot to say in things that don’t concern him Give him a boot out of the country
His lawyers advised him not to try and get high government positions as then they could ask him what he was talking to putin about. And about his ketamine use. Because he would have to pass a higher intelligence screening.
ELON paid for that position. Trump had to make up a fake agency to please him, so ELON feels he partly OWNS the Government..Good luck with that! This is what happens when people vote in a candidate who truly doesn't give a damn about America or it's citizens unless your wealthy. Trump told his supporters, I don't care about you, I just want your vote... So none of this should be a surprise.. Trump just wanted to win to stay out of prison...
I cannot laugh about any of this at all, I live on SS & was already struggling. I’m scared shitless now, I hate the bastards & at 77 I never hated a soul in my life. I don’t like it, it’s tearing me up inside & out, this is not good for many of us who are suffering & scared.
Start praying for love and light, there is abible verse that keeps going on my head from Sunday School was "even though I walk thru the valley of death I fear no evil" ANYWAY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT MY POINT BEING IS TO NOT FEAR NOW, NOT UNTILL AFTER Jan 21, live in Pease and joy for holiday season❤❤❤
I am in your boat. I have decided it's out of my control and tearing myself up in advance will only add to the potential suffering down the road. Treat yourself to something you've wanted before it gets grim. My stomach was doing knots and I decided it's nothing I've done to myself nor can I control it. I try not to buy anything much but decided to treat myself before this monster takes office. I even got the cat a new stainless steel litter box! Living the high life HAHAHAHAHA
Fear is not productive. Fear can cause health issues or intensify existing health issues. Write congress members and let them know your concerns. Keep writing or calling. Bless you.
I agree with Sarah, Trump has no interest in governing, he is only interested in the grift. I also think this is true of most of the people he has nominated. As Sarah said governing is for grown ups.
Cheney + Kinsinger both have explicit protections under the Constitution. Anything done or said in conjunction with their duties in Congress are protected.
Maybe, but now we can no longer rely on any of our institutions. We will have an insane, senile President with unlimited and immune power. Nothing is certain anymore
Unless of course it is conspiracy to undermine the government. Sedition is typically tried in military courts and is not protected by pardon that apply to civil and criminal courts. Looking more and more like the Nuremberg Trials. Gonna get my popcorn and enjoy the history lesson in real time. I love history don't you?
Liz Chaney is a no bull shit kind of person! She will not sit down and shut up! I don’t agree with all her politics, but I admire her strength as a woman!!!
@@orangemoonglows2692 That's the point OP was making. If they go after the wealthy person first, people who don't have that amount of money will likely think 10 times before they say anything.
Tim, all due respect, we are at a tipping point in our politics. German citizens in the 1930’s laughed at Hitler and the Nazi party - until they didn’t. I see our reactions to what’s happening through the same lens. We are in denial about what is happening to our country. Elon Musk, a private citizen who nobody voted for, is literally deciding how our government will spend our taxpayer dollars. With one tweet Musk just blew up the CR to fund our government. Real harm will be done to the poorest and most vulnerable Americans. And why? So Musk can spend trillions on his ketamine-fueled dream to colonize Mars when we are literally destroying our climate on earth. How insane is that? Stupid looking stuff WILL STICK because these guys are crazy, drunk with their power and careening towards chaos. 😢
JVL, you're amazing.... your takes on things are accurate and eloquent and well-thought out. Thanks for keeping us thinking about all of this and remaining vigilant.
Silly but also serious question. If the gov is shut down on Jan 20 would there even be an inauguration with all the trappings that Trump craves soooo much? Wouldn’t it be delicious if the inauguration was just a couple of people in the hall outside the Oval Office….???? 😂😂😂😂😂
I see that too. Musk is nobody legally there to do anything at this time. It’s time for him to go. No more made up Departments to install these cronies with their own agendas
it is ridiculous, but the idea of Trump being elected again was also ridiculous. Trump's appointees will go further into lawlessness than we can imagine.
As for this budget bill I remember the north Carolina republican Senator yelling to his party to support this money at all costs, saying, "Americans are in need. We help our fellow citizens. These are hurting people.
I love that Liz Chaney will be victor number one. I do not agree with her politics but I have huge respect for her commitment to the constitution and rule of law. Liv Chaney has the balls Trump wishes he had! She will chew Trump and his lawyers up and spit the bones out! Liz Chaney is a true patriot and she will school all of them on being a real American!!!
@@Dana-pq7keElon will ruin America … he is wants to destroy laws to make his life richer and yours a living hell. He bought his way in to the government with brain washing propaganda which you have fallen into the trap. There is no empathy for any one in that malicious brain of his.
I've been liberal my entire adult life and I gotta say that I really enjoy the Bulwark more than any left-wing podcast out there. I feel like your point of view on issues tends to be very pragmatic and practical. In my opinion, this is where the rubber meets the road. Every episode challenges my to broaden my perspective and consider new, more centrist approaches to political discourse. It really reminds me of the good old days when I could sit down and debate political issues with my Republican friends without questioning anyone's values or motive or having to worry about winding up getting into a brawl. This is a productive use of my time. Thank you for your insights.
I find myself watching it every day now. The whining and silly narratives here are fascinating. I can't get enough. I think my favorite was that Iowa poll they all got so excited over.
America DESERVES this clown show. The idiocracy turned its back on good governance. To the extent that it does not reverberate out into the wider world, may the pain bite DEEP in that blighted land. The electorate must experience the full consequences of its stupidity if any swing toward sanity is to have a chance.
Why aren't the Democrats stopping the bellybutton gazing and starting to demand clarity on what Elon is to all of this? He's a private citizen. There is a different kind of obedience in advance: hyper-focusing on the character flaws and salacious parts-what about the real threats to civil liberties and national security?
In this case, if you want the Democrats to demand answers, you will want to flip the House to their control. At the moment, the Dems in the House can only make speeches that are watched only by CSPAN addicts, not even by other members of the House, and certainly not the press. What would the press care about speeches, when Trump is over there making phart noises live on tv!
A life’s work interrupted by C in C Trump because Vindman caught the criminal in the act - This man should be reinstated , Trump should be brought to heel . ADX In Colorado .
If we all step back for a moment, how absurd is it that two unelected individuals have an outsized voice in our government? At what point do we kick that nonsense to the curb?
@noskillznigel1713 That's not going to happen. There's a lot of things that aren't going to happen along those lines. Justice will be served to the real criminal. Wait for it.
@@KeePenne Seriously wait for what? Do you really think the Democrats saved some key evidence of Trump committing a crime just in case he won? They have thrown everything at him, Trump is the most investigated man in the history of the world and all they could get was the 4 crappy cases they brought? Now short of them fabricating evidence (which is possible since the Democrats are the party of liars) or undertaking an insurrection Trump will be President on January 20th. Now Liz Cheney at the very least has committed ethics violations by talking to a witness without counsel present. You could argue that this is witness tampering. The rest of the J6 committee forget they charged J6ers with conspiracy against rights, this is a charge that could very well be levelled against them. So yes we will see what will happen, but remember pride comes before the fall and the Democrats have been on top for long enough to become arrogant and believing they are without sin (which is why they lost the election).
Tim, I agree that most if these people are incompetent. However, the reputational damage and financial cost to their targets will not only chill other people who don't have the money or clout.
Would love to see Liz hire Kamala as her prosecutorial representative to go back at the conniving goons who think they can bring Liz down... GO. LIZ. GO!!!!!
I'd rather see Congress, you know, SOLVE PROBLEMS affecting our economy, our health, our safety, our security, our happiness, our wealth, than investigate and prosecute each other so much. Where is the limit to how much time and resources the House and Senate put into investigating each other?
How does Elon Musk, a foreign agent (he owns an automobile manufacturing plant in China) gets permission to dictate American economic policy to Congress?
Liz Cheney is not at fault for Dems losing. The extreme lefties refuse to take a good look at themselves. I’m a 71 yr old lifelong Dem & I appreciate what Liz Cheney for choosing America over Party.
As a life long Dem, I have been in state of depression since the election. Tonight's show is one of very few I've been able to watch. Thank you for sharing your different views, helping me to prepare my mind for dealing with what's ahead.
@@MarlaSanders-n3b it seems to be the progressives. They don't seem to acknowledge her bravery, they don't like her because she's a Republican and because of her dad. It really annoys me. Liz Cheney is a patriot
Whenever Trump says anything to the press, a reporter must ask him, "What does Elon think about that? Everyone knows that it was Elon who got you over the line."
Thank you Sarah- your point about Liz not being the one you want to pick this fight with was the one thing that has made me feel better about this over everything I’ve heard over the past few days. That single point brought the blood pressure down and saved at least one dose of Xanax. So thank you. 🙏🏼
I'm a lifelong liberal Dem and I WILL BE DONATING TO CHENEY (and others) DEFENSE. I disagree with her policies in 100 ways, but godd ddamn she's a patriot.
*Agreed!*
I agree
Me, too! I will donate to Liz Cheney's defense fund.
I don’t think she needs your money but Olivia Troye and a bunch of other people will probably need it.
@@beckyweisfeld6977absolutely
Thank Merrick Garland for wasting 2 years when he could have investigated those involved in the insurrection against this country.
Bingo!
The top echelon of the attempted coup should have been investigated right after it happened!
As a progressive left-wing Australian, one of the things I hate about the Democrats is the way they have blamed Merrick Garland for this catastrophe. If they ever knew, they have forgotten about Mitch McConnel etc, and seem unaware of the impact of the SC immunity ruling.
Thank Biden and others for accepting this fraud filled election as good while you are at it. They are in it together. That's the game too few understand. These folks in angst in this video supported the repubs for a long time. Ca-CHING is their game.
@@lizryan513
That came AFTER the period in which Garland could have been more aggressive. McConnell can’t say squat about what the DOJ does. Garland sat on his hands because the states were going after Trump and he didn’t think he needed to; but he needed to. Trying to overturn the election and overthrow the government was not something any sane, rational person could just let pass. Garland would probably have done okay as a Supreme Court justice, but not as a prosecutor.
I am a lifelong liberal Democrat and I was truly grateful for Liz Cheney's efforts on behalf of democracy and our Constitution.
@@goBadgers1995right Cheney wasn’t in Congress in the early 2000s, genius.
Her father put over 150,000 people, including Americans, through a Hell that lingers today. He did so to make money for his the company he ran. His stock options matured in the year he left office, 2009. I feel for her but...Karma.
whatever, doesn't mean it was a good idea to campaign with her.
@@rainmanjr2007👈 Wow. I’d swear I just read a comment written by a Chump lemming.
Hey, Tim! Just wanted to say that I consider myself center left, and I was, and still am, delighted and grateful for Liz Cheney, Adam Kinsinger, Olivia Troye and other true patriots who have already paid a price for being pro-democracy.
I’m a 56 year old, life long leftist. I do not blame Liz Cheney for the stupidity and arrogance of the American people, the hatred and racism at the core of this country that got us our first official dictator. Liz Cheney is a true patriot. I despised her father and all he represented, yet he shocked me by doing the right thing (for once) and supporting Kamala. I never agreed with Liz Cheney’s policies, but her courage and true patriotism cannot be disputed. I support her 100%
I m moderate. We Dems need to look at the natl DNC, our state parties ( here in NC the state Dems just let us float down the gerrymandered river without oars) & so now>> ALL politics is local. My sleeves are rolled WAY up to fight for my local public schools system . See you guys in 2026.
And I greatly appreciated Dick Chaney, attending
Memorial services for police officers who died , protecting our Capitol building , and politicians trying to do our countries business .
Dick Cheney took down Saddam Hussein and stood up to Trump. Maybe he isn't as bad as you were led to believe. Maybe he got a bad rap and his daughter learned the right things from him.
Liz Cheney is one more woman willing and able to stand up to the bullies. Thank heavens for strong women.
Amen!!! Donald Trump is going to realize the strength of a real woman.
No she is self serving. She even voted not to impeach him, coming right out and saying she thought he was guilty. That is not being strong. That is not standing up to bullies. She switched sides YEARS too late. And she caused a lot of harm because of that.
She voted for Trump constantly when he was president, it was only after jan 6th that she saw any light.
Cheney will survive Trump's pernicious lawsuits. Her family has REAL money, not that gold sneaker money Trump thinks he has.
At least she...found out...
Actual criminals with felonies attacking and prosecuting the people who were trying to hold them accountable is a dystopian nightmare.
Say hello to our government for the next 4 years
It's like the dark knight returns w scarecrow adjudicating the citizens of Gotham 🤔
@@chiaraA. Okay. "Hi Vlad."
@@Jerry-Falwells-Poolboy Tragically true. Hope we can all survive...
@@csquared973 It's like the Joker is now the mayor of Gotham and instead of VP Batman we're stuck with his butler Alfred trying to fight all the bad guys for us.
I despised Dick Cheney, i am a lifelong dem. Liz Cheney is the epitome of a true patriot. Hate her policies, love the brave woman. I'd be honored to help with any fund started for her.
I agree on all points.
BUT… she DID support Trump in 2016. And for THAT: I will gladly see her jailed. Even if it IS for made up crimes. Because her REAL CRIME was ever supporting the foul turd. She needs to be punished. ALL PEOPLE who ever supported that buffoon deserve to be punished. Does it really matter WHO does the punishing? Or why?
Agreed 💯
Here Here!
You're not a dem, she's a Cheney
Narcissists thrive on conflict and negativity, that’s their “food” that makes them feel good and it distracts from their failures.
I’m an Independent and don’t agree with some of Liz’s policies, but I consider her a hero for standing up for the Constitution.
I'm a 73 yo lefty and I appreciated Liz. She is a true patriot.
i don't agree with her politics, but Liz has integrity and I admire that.
Ditto in the Wild Mid West We Cowgirl Up.
Don't agree with practically anything Liz Cheney thinks but this Liberal would fight to the death to protect her. She is a true patriot.
💯I was proud to see her on the campaign trail.
Right with ya. Can't wait till they have a program on the $20 BILLION DOLLARS Joe Biden just handed Ukraine without Congressional approval. As a leftist this smites of anti-democratic authoritarian rule. You and I both know that the money will be spent on mega corporations to fatten their purses, and needless to say cost untold thousand more lives. I just don't know what the future is gonna hold with my beloved Democrat Party.
I don't feel that way about Liz Cheney. Liz is an American hero, one of the only Republicans with any, any integrity
Is she though? Cheney didn't expose all the Republican voter suppression and racial gerrymandering. She could have made the whole of America aware of that. She did not. Why?
I agree with you to a point. She’s not really a hero; she simply tells the truth. That should be commended.
she does have lo o courage but she is a pint to to get along with
BS.... she was trying to prove trump innocent.. shes a slime like the rest of the repubs
Okay,to be clear...this is same President that said he would be in favor of suspending the Constitution. DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY INTEND TO FOLLOW THE RULES FOR LAW MAKING????
They will not follow the laws or constitution. 😞
No they will not. People think that the constitution is strong. The constitution is only as strong as the people willing to defend it.
Trump's first goal is to destroy America. Ask Putin he'll tell you 😂
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No. Nor do I think they Intend to either.
I was taking a break from politics after the election, but this crap brought me back. Keep up the good work, Bulwark.
Thanks Nicholas for coming back, we NEED you ❤
Me too,trump aged me 10 years,so i stopped listening to anything,I didnt even know about the shutdown until yesterday,and I m not surprissed
Hey now Tim. A lot of us on the left are grateful for Liz Cheney’s courage. We all need to stick together and not over generalize.
Sarah you nailed it - governing IS harder, and their side is filled with pyschopaths!😂❤
Haven't you realized by now that Sarah Longwell is always wrong.
@danhood1443 ... not on this she isn't.
Sarah was smiling so much during this discussion, I loved it❤
@@danhood1443
Not always.
@@danhood1443😂😂😂 so true
I’m ticked off that a bunch of these frivolous lawsuits are going to cost a lot of our taxpayer dollars and waste time.
Completely agree. I hope we have some honest judges that see thru the bs and throw out these lawsuits.
The pres shouldn’t be able to press lawsuits especially with tax money
Most of our taxes will go in trumps pocket.
And I’m, along with millions of other disabled people who are going to lose Social Security, Medicare and SNAP is going to be out in the streets because budget cuts are so important to Republicans
They’ve cost Us SO much time and Money already … nauseating and infuriating
75 year o.d lefty who respects Liz, who stood up, and despite former policies, is a hero. Liz - standing up for democracy, truth, the constitution, and . . . some of us.
Center left Democrat, who voted for Kamala. I would financially support Liz Cheney’s defense in a heartbeat. I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a profile in courage in my entire lifetime. She’s sacrificed it ALL on the altar of truth.
Elon’s “short term pain” for regular people while rich people get their tax cut. What a senseless waste.
As a Democrat, I was hoping that Kamala would have been able to give Liz Cheney the Medal of Honor. I don’t agree with her policies, but she is a patriot who deserves our support if they go after her. Thank you, Liz.
I'm a Democrat and I would support Liz Cheney's GoFundMe!
I'm a Canadian and I will also contribute to her GoFundMe. I think Tim had it wrong. This kind of malicious conduct can bankrupt anyone with needless legal fees.
I too don't support her ideals (and certainly not her father's), but this is a "good vs evil" battle that evil can not be allowed to win!
I already have, somewhere in the darkest recesses of my mind.
I will join you.
@@Doodelz02 She fn lied she was colluding with Hutchinson without her lawyer all that women said was a lie.Cheney knew it was a lie but she wanted to get back at Trump for what he said about her father.Trump was right Dick Cheney is a war criminal he lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and he knew he was lying.Thousands off people died from his lies, but what do you care it was not in your family.Liz Cheney lied in the jan 6th committee,they deleted 1 terabyte of evidence quit being sheep and fact check it ffs.
Elon shouldn’t be able to demand anything!!! 🤨
Well he paid for Trump to win the election so he is defacto president
Elon is not an elected official….just money bags.
DOGE is not a legal department so he can't demand cuts for anything. He has to get those cuts through a very narrow House.
Elon has Trump's ear, that's just as bad.
Time to send Musk back to South Africa.
Why does this South African have so much say about how to run the American gov't?
Musk was not elected to do squat.
They don’t want to govern Sara. They want to rule.
Does anyone know how to get 4yrs over real fast.
@@sharonsnyder3251 Nope. Just take care of yourself and your family and friends.
They don’t want to rule, they want to destroy.
Ahhh - good distinction
This!
Tim, stop attacking "the liberals"! I'm a liberal and I have always appreciated what L Cheney did and loved that she supported K Harris. Please stop slamming liberals unfairly and hear us. A few who complained do not represent us who support truth, bravery, and real love for country! Love you, but please!
I generally like Tim. I think his talk about liberals is not helpful. It's probably reflexive after years in the gop.
These are repub helpers who discovered a new money niche. Don't make them anymore than that. Trump's other side. The grift game is the same in show biz world. YT punditry is a show to behold!
Cheney’s ethical actions on the J6 Committee have made me an admirer.
Liz Cheney stood up for Democracy, Respect! Not her politics or policies , but her courage and love of country.
Yep it would be wrong to throw her in the jail
Cheney is going to eat these people for lunch. LOL
She's gonna eat lunch from prison
All of the unselected committee will eat lunch from prison icluding kinzinger.
She has more balls than all of them combined!
That why they are attacking her, she has a spine
@@tjphoenix1908nope she’s a lawyer find a grand jury in DC, sure
Elon Musk just keeps getting creepier....
he is the Bond Villain who built the space station - Moonraker
.Muskrat is nothing know nothing conspirator!!
It’s “president Musk” don’t you know?
I suspect drugs.
he's always been creepy lol...he's just being his true icky self
Liz Cheney et.al. of the January 6th Committee were all exercising “OFFICIAL ACTS” under the color of Congressional and Constitutional responsibilities of authority delegated to them.
You guys are gonna get me thru this…thank you!
They need to cut elons government grants that would save the taxpayers billions of dollars
Trump owes him.
Yes please
I’m sure the new DOGE will recommend that! Not!
Musk has received 19 billion dollars of taxpayers money. He is the welfare queen of corporate America.
💯
Liz Cheney should start spilling all the evidence she knows. Stuff that Jack Smith didn’t get to show anyone.
Cheney could expose all the Republican voter suppression and racial gerrymandering. She could make the whole of America aware of that.
I'm thinking that if they try to prosecute her that will all come out.
THIS
I am 73, an old lefty hippie from back in the day--Liz Cheney was just what the Democrats needed in the campaign. I really wanted Kamala to win. I blame those other Democrats for sitting out the election for the shit show we will have to survive these next 4 years.
Are we *sure* those dems sat out the election?
Maybe *the orange thing cheated in a million different ways using a million+ civilians all across the nation???*
Have you asked why some democrats sat out? It would've done Harris a lot of good if she didn't take progressive voters for granted and reached out for their support. Keep in mind Harris specifically told Bernie Sanders she didn't want his help on the campaign trail. Harris actively alienated progressives, but expected their votes anyways.
I loved to study the hippie years in school and all the riots and demonstrations for thee cival rights oee people back when people had to write in cursave and only had Black an white tvvs.
How I wish it was only 4 years. This is an earthquake and the aftershocks will go on and on. I too am 73.
@@kennance115I have a feeling we going back to this…this was an awful time and so many lives were lost
We do NEED to SUPPORT LIZ CHENEY‼️ Liz Cheney is ETHICAL & is a GREAT AMERICAN & PERSON & I hold her in high Regard. She deserves our SUPPORT,
I am a staunch Democrat, but I admire the strength and power of Liz Cheney. I do not agree with her politics, I admire her love of country and that she will not sacrifice her principles. Maga has made a huge mistake in not recognizing how powerful she is.
Liz Cheney is a lawyer, her husband is a lawyer and I am sure she knows more lawyers good lawyers than Trump has bad lawyers. Adam and Liz need to be protected at all costs.
Cripes , I am a Canadian and I would support Liz Cheney in a go fund me campaign.
She can handle the legal defense costs.
From Israel and I second that!
Hold on Liz, Bulwark and other anti-Trump heroes!!
If a huge amount of people are willing to contribute to legal costs against Trump’s ‘lawfare’ it would at least make a visible point that the resistance is alive and committed.
Yeah, cripes!!
CRIPES!!!
I think Sarah is right about the seriousness of this. There are at least 3000 things that Loudermilk could be just as upset about, but he still remembers that Liz Cheney made him look bad to democrats three years ago. That is a level of vindictiveness that we should all be afraid of.
All it takes is an indictment and a MAGA court😮
Joe McCarthy-ism
The one thing that cannot go through on this bill to fund the government through Christmas is raising the debt ceiling.
During Donald Trump's presidency, the top 1% received $60 billion per year in tax savings. The wealth of the top 1% increased 32%. The poverty rate rose to 11.7%. Homelessness increased 6%.
"When the rich rob the poor it's called business. When the poor fight back it's called violence" Mark Twain
Welcome to AmeriKKKa
I didn’t know Elon musk was running for any govt position nor was he on ballot He sure has a lot to say in things that don’t concern him Give him a boot out of the country
His lawyers advised him not to try and get high government positions as then they could ask him what he was talking to putin about. And about his ketamine use. Because he would have to pass a higher intelligence screening.
ELON paid for that position. Trump had to make up a fake agency to please him, so ELON feels he partly OWNS the Government..Good luck with that! This is what happens when people vote in a candidate who truly doesn't give a damn about America or it's citizens unless your wealthy. Trump told his supporters, I don't care about you, I just want your vote... So none of this should be a surprise.. Trump just wanted to win to stay out of prison...
He bought a seat at the table.
Conservative voters' concerns/priorities are what ELON is amplifying.
So you think voting is a thing? Like voting matters?
Love when the three of you are on. Always educational.
Yeah it’s too bad the rest of the GOP can’t be as reasonable as this trio.
I can't stop laughing it's so sad😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
I cannot laugh about any of this at all, I live on SS & was already struggling. I’m scared shitless now, I hate the bastards & at 77 I never hated a soul in my life. I don’t like it, it’s tearing me up inside & out, this is not good for many of us who are suffering & scared.
Start praying for love and light, there is abible verse that keeps going on my head from Sunday School was "even though I walk thru the valley of death I fear no evil" ANYWAY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT MY POINT BEING IS TO NOT FEAR NOW, NOT UNTILL AFTER Jan 21, live in Pease and joy for holiday season❤❤❤
Disabled vet, age 73. Worried about my tiny monthly check and the entire VA medical system, my only healthcare. Have A-Fib & 3 bad heart valves.
I am in your boat. I have decided it's out of my control and tearing myself up in advance will only add to the potential suffering down the road. Treat yourself to something you've wanted before it gets grim. My stomach was doing knots and I decided it's nothing I've done to myself nor can I control it. I try not to buy anything much but decided to treat myself before this monster takes office. I even got the cat a new stainless steel litter box! Living the high life HAHAHAHAHA
Buckle up
Fear is not productive. Fear can cause health issues or intensify existing health issues. Write congress members and let them know your concerns. Keep writing or calling. Bless you.
I agree with Sarah, Trump has no interest in governing, he is only interested in the grift. I also think this is true of most of the people he has nominated. As Sarah said governing is for grown ups.
Our taxes would pay for investigating or prosecuting Liz Chaney. People seem to forget this. We need to rally against funding this sh*t show.
That's the purpose of elections. We effed around and left the patients in control of the asylum.
Cheney + Kinsinger both have explicit protections under the Constitution. Anything done or said in conjunction with their duties in Congress are protected.
Bingo! I've heard Marj and Jungle Gym Jordan both mention exactly that about themselves...lol
@@cassandratq9301 .. Wait. You think MAGA cares about the law?
True, but everything is now subject to a new interpretation from the activist supreme court courtesy of the federalist society.
Maybe, but now we can no longer rely on any of our institutions. We will have an insane, senile President with unlimited and immune power. Nothing is certain anymore
Unless of course it is conspiracy to undermine the government. Sedition is typically tried in military courts and is not protected by pardon that apply to civil and criminal courts. Looking more and more like the Nuremberg Trials. Gonna get my popcorn and enjoy the history lesson in real time. I love history don't you?
Liz Chaney is a no bull shit kind of person! She will not sit down and shut up! I don’t agree with all her politics, but I admire her strength as a woman!!!
Going after Liz Cheney isn't the full end game. This is about intimidating people who aren't rich and powerful enough to fight back.
Yeah, but they're targeting her first, and once she's finished with them, I think they'll think twice...
well, liz is not exactly broke.
@@orangemoonglows2692 That's the point OP was making. If they go after the wealthy person first, people who don't have that amount of money will likely think 10 times before they say anything.
@@orangemoonglows2692You’re talking about millions for defense though. Especially if it’s “criminal” defense.
Intimidation- Absolutely! And ABC fell for it . Will the rest of the media crumple too??
We shouls start the spending cuts with the subsidies we give to Elon's companies!!!
Tim, all due respect, we are at a tipping point in our politics. German citizens in the 1930’s laughed at Hitler and the Nazi party - until they didn’t. I see our reactions to what’s happening through the same lens. We are in denial about what is happening to our country. Elon Musk, a private citizen who nobody voted for, is literally deciding how our government will spend our taxpayer dollars. With one tweet Musk just blew up the CR to fund our government. Real harm will be done to the poorest and most vulnerable Americans. And why? So Musk can spend trillions on his ketamine-fueled dream to colonize Mars when we are literally destroying our climate on earth. How insane is that? Stupid looking stuff WILL STICK because these guys are crazy, drunk with their power and careening towards chaos. 😢
He never intended to have his hand on the levers of power; he wants to stay out of prison and golf.⛳
And grift. Don’t forget the grift.
Sarah is so freakin on the money in this video!
I could watch these 3 talk with each other for hours.
She is a republican at heart and you can tell. BOTH parties are in the anti-citizen game now.
I'm a DEM and I don't Blame Liz Cheney ! She Chose People over Party!! I Support her 💯💯💯
JVL, you're amazing.... your takes on things are accurate and eloquent and well-thought out. Thanks for keeping us thinking about all of this and remaining vigilant.
Silly but also serious question. If the gov is shut down on Jan 20 would there even be an inauguration with all the trappings that Trump craves soooo much? Wouldn’t it be delicious if the inauguration was just a couple of people in the hall outside the Oval Office….???? 😂😂😂😂😂
Did 70,000 million Americans vote for President Musk because it seems like trumps just a figure head at this point
They seem happy with the situation, I guess, until Trump gets fed up with Elon. What a mess 🫤
I see that too. Musk is nobody legally there to do anything at this time. It’s time for him to go. No more made up Departments to install these cronies with their own agendas
I don't know if Trump is "alpha" enough to get rid of Elon now.
@@ShiWolfe I have to remind myself this once was a great country
@@Quagma-b2i When? Vietnam war, Iraq war, Afghanistan war, support of Israel in Gaza? How far back are you going?
As a Dem, I was HONORED by Liz Cheney standing with Kamala, and so was every Dem I know. The media loves to manipulate with extremists.
it is ridiculous, but the idea of Trump being elected again was also ridiculous. Trump's appointees will go further into lawlessness than we can imagine.
As for this budget bill I remember the north Carolina republican Senator yelling to his party to support this money at all costs, saying, "Americans are in need. We help our fellow citizens. These are hurting people.
I love that Liz Chaney will be victor number one. I do not agree with her politics but I have huge respect for her commitment to the constitution and rule of law. Liv Chaney has the balls Trump wishes he had! She will chew Trump and his lawyers up and spit the bones out! Liz Chaney is a true patriot and she will school all of them on being a real American!!!
Why is Johnson discussing any of this with Elon et al? They are not part of government yet!
Well or at all
Who’s gonna tell them to stop?
Nor would they listen because there are no rules until they break something tRump doesn’t like.
Elon runs America and we are lucky for it! Most successful in the world.
@@Dana-pq7keElon will ruin America … he is wants to destroy laws to make his life richer and yours a living hell. He bought his way in to the government with brain washing propaganda which you have fallen into the trap. There is no empathy for any one in that malicious brain of his.
@Dana-pq7ke let's revisit this in 3 years. We shall see. I'm not that optimistic to be honest.
I appreciate you, Sarah, JVL and Tim.
I've been liberal my entire adult life and I gotta say that I really enjoy the Bulwark more than any left-wing podcast out there. I feel like your point of view on issues tends to be very pragmatic and practical. In my opinion, this is where the rubber meets the road. Every episode challenges my to broaden my perspective and consider new, more centrist approaches to political discourse. It really reminds me of the good old days when I could sit down and debate political issues with my Republican friends without questioning anyone's values or motive or having to worry about winding up getting into a brawl. This is a productive use of my time. Thank you for your insights.
I find myself watching it every day now. The whining and silly narratives here are fascinating. I can't get enough. I think my favorite was that Iowa poll they all got so excited over.
not me, the Bulwark gets more alienating and hateful with each podcast. These people are not allies.
Left wing? These are repubs baby! They just found a new money game is all.
Never Trumpers ROCK!!
America DESERVES this clown show. The idiocracy turned its back on good governance. To the extent that it does not reverberate out into the wider world, may the pain bite DEEP in that blighted land.
The electorate must experience the full consequences of its stupidity if any swing toward sanity is to have a chance.
THIS is the great moment to strongly support Liz Cheney‼️
nope... never... no repubs period..
Why aren't the Democrats stopping the bellybutton gazing and starting to demand clarity on what Elon is to all of this? He's a private citizen. There is a different kind of obedience in advance: hyper-focusing on the character flaws and salacious parts-what about the real threats to civil liberties and national security?
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Well said!
In this case, if you want the Democrats to demand answers, you will want to flip the House to their control. At the moment, the Dems in the House can only make speeches that are watched only by CSPAN addicts, not even by other members of the House, and certainly not the press. What would the press care about speeches, when Trump is over there making phart noises live on tv!
Well said!!!!
Sen Warren has spoke up on Musk
I keep flashing back on Vindman saying : ~ " ...
Here, right matters."
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Used to. Doesn’t any more, in my opinion.
What a moment and statement that was! Thanks for reminding me of it.
What are you talking about !? Oh yeah, he WAS a tool?
A life’s work interrupted by C in C Trump because Vindman caught the criminal in the act - This man should be reinstated , Trump should be brought to heel . ADX In Colorado .
Laws are failing to be enforced. The avalanche of lawlessness has begun.
[Hamilton] George Washington: Ah, winning was easy, young man. Governing's harder.
If we all step back for a moment, how absurd is it that two unelected individuals have an outsized voice in our government? At what point do we kick that nonsense to the curb?
Liz Cheney is going to be just fine. She's smart and knows the plays coming at her. She'll be ready.
Yes, ready to go to prison.
@noskillznigel1713 That's not going to happen. There's a lot of things that aren't going to happen along those lines. Justice will be served to the real criminal. Wait for it.
@@KeePenne Seriously wait for what? Do you really think the Democrats saved some key evidence of Trump committing a crime just in case he won? They have thrown everything at him, Trump is the most investigated man in the history of the world and all they could get was the 4 crappy cases they brought? Now short of them fabricating evidence (which is possible since the Democrats are the party of liars) or undertaking an insurrection Trump will be President on January 20th. Now Liz Cheney at the very least has committed ethics violations by talking to a witness without counsel present. You could argue that this is witness tampering. The rest of the J6 committee forget they charged J6ers with conspiracy against rights, this is a charge that could very well be levelled against them. So yes we will see what will happen, but remember pride comes before the fall and the Democrats have been on top for long enough to become arrogant and believing they are without sin (which is why they lost the election).
And i am ready to be her support...
If Liz starts a Go Fund Me, I will support her. I also think Liz should counter sue for 10 times as much.
Defamation.
As a Canadian, I am not offended in any way when you make fun of our country. You should hear how we talk about you!
Touché!
Yeah, all the love , admiration and jealousy....I've heard it
Yeah, keep thinking that.
Like we care what Canucks think of us 😂
You guys are so entertaining and so well informed..thank goodness you are there and will continue to be there❤
Let's be chilled about people losing their health care and all these red states where they're dying because they won't include Medicaid for people
Liz Cheney has everyone who isn't orange and stinks, or maga, standing strong and tall right next to her. We've GOT THIS Liz!!! 👍💙
Like you got the election...
@@momoz74it was exceptionally close. DT won, but not by much. There is no mandate.
@@joanfregapane8683 Biden won by less in 2020 and he opened the border on day one.
Winning is winning.
Tim, I agree that most if these people are incompetent. However, the reputational damage and financial cost to their targets will not only chill other people who don't have the money or clout.
So true.
Dictator
No one wants to be sent to a re-alignment camp to work on cotton orchard..just because they support a never Trumer
Would love to see Liz hire Kamala as her prosecutorial representative to go back at the conniving goons who think they can bring Liz down... GO. LIZ. GO!!!!!
They’re trying to rewrite history, but maybe they already succeeded. Clearly half the electorate doesn’t believe Jan 6 was that big a deal 😢
Much love and respect and gratitude to you all for your work
I'd rather see Congress, you know, SOLVE PROBLEMS affecting our economy, our health, our safety, our security, our happiness, our wealth, than investigate and prosecute each other so much. Where is the limit to how much time and resources the House and Senate put into investigating each other?
Chenney knows all the dark secrets of each and everyone of the senators and house republicans
Spill it Liz!!!!
Remember, Johnson doesn't have much experience in Congress, let alone leadership. That's why he was chosen, no record.
How does Elon Musk, a foreign agent (he owns an automobile manufacturing plant in China) gets permission to dictate American economic policy to Congress?
You can't joke about Canadian Mounties! These guys are seriously idolized .The only character more idolized is the Mounties horse.
I just sit here smiling listening to the three of you. You are the sugar for the bitter pill.
I want to move in with them! 🤣
Why is Musk even getting a say in anything?
Because money talks and he's part of the oligarchy, soon to be the kleptocracy. I know your question was rhetorical, but I couldn't help it.
Cause he bought Trump
Because Trump is slavering over his billions.
He no power to stay out
Because it’s an oligarchy. The rich have been running the government for a considerable amount of time.
This is probably off topic but Vivek Ramaswamy and Kash Patel have birthright citizenship.
Never has there been another time in history when the world wants to see a man golfing 24/7
Liz Cheney is not at fault for Dems losing. The extreme lefties refuse to take a good look at themselves. I’m a 71 yr old lifelong Dem & I appreciate what Liz Cheney for choosing America over Party.
As a life long Dem, I have been in state of depression since the election. Tonight's show is one of very few I've been able to watch. Thank you for sharing your different views, helping me to prepare my mind for dealing with what's ahead.
Excellent show!
WHAT!?! Dems are criticizing Liz? I'm an Indy, but I'm smart enough to know that LIZ CHENEY IS A FUCKING NATIONAL HERO!!!
@@MarlaSanders-n3b it seems to be the progressives. They don't seem to acknowledge her bravery, they don't like her because she's a Republican and because of her dad. It really annoys me. Liz Cheney is a patriot
No dems ate not criticizing Liz...GOP are criticizing her!!
I'm so glad I retired, packed my bags, and moved out of the USA 18 months ago. I won't return until dems take control again. Till then, good luck USA.
Pain for us..not for the billionaires, I am sick 🤢 and scared 😱 and appalled
"Clown fuckery" lol! Going forward, I will be using that expression often for sure.
Time stamp please?
@@arenc5619 That was from Tim in the first third of the show -- you will have to listen for it yourself.
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Whenever Trump says anything to the press, a reporter must ask him, "What does Elon think about that? Everyone knows that it was Elon who got you over the line."
Thank you Sarah- your point about Liz not being the one you want to pick this fight with was the one thing that has made me feel better about this over everything I’ve heard over the past few days. That single point brought the blood pressure down and saved at least one dose of Xanax. So thank you. 🙏🏼
Elon doesn't have to worry about having money to pay his bills if the government shuts down.
Elon makes most of his money off of government contracts, so he will sorta care.
But the rest of the real citizens have to worry.