Speaking of the League of Nations, apparently Kevin Owens was also slated to be a part of that group but the night he was supposed to join, he had a bad case of the flu & was sent home, so therefore was scrapped entirely He sure dodged a bullet there 😮💨
I loved Sheamus, Barrett, and Rusev as a trio of brawling euro badasses. KO’s style would have been a way better fit with them than Del Rio. But if the booking is crap everyone suffers.
I met Heath Slater at a gas station near the arena after a Raw show in my town back in 2013/2014 (pretty sure it was 2013), and he is just the coolest guy ever. We just talked about random stuff, and he even waited for me after I had been rung up by the cashier so we could keep the conversation going outside. We eventually ended up at his rental car, and he got in his car while I stood outside it and we just kept talking. I insisted on cutting the convo short as I knew he had a long drive ahead of him to get to the next town, despite him wanting to keep going and going. Absolutely awesome guy, and I was a HUGE 3MB mark at the time, and became an even bigger one afterwards. He needs to complete the trifecta and win the WWE title dammit!!!
Way before they had the FCW arena in Tampa, they used to run shows weekly at a dive bar in Port Richey, FL. I went every week and got see Sheamus, Nattie, The Bellas, Dolph Ziggler and Heath Slater all before they were called up. Anyways, Heath was the nicest dude there I'm glad he didnt change.
Favorite part of early Dark Order trying to recruit people was when Uno tried to get Dustin Rhodes and telling him he could be Seven which was on of my favorite WCW callback
Alex Reynolds might be the most overlooked member of Dark Order. He doesn't have the personality of his tag partner, but holy crap that dude can wrestle.
Remember that Retribution broke up on the Fastlane Kickoff show. That's right, on the kick off of a B-tier PPV. The group died as it lived, inconsequential
Imagine having 5 Wrestlemania main-eventers in your stable (DiBiase at 4, Bundy at 2, and (eventually) Bigelow at 11, Sid at 13 and Austin at 14 amongst others) and STILL sucking!
LOL, to be fair, this was 94-95 in WWF...almost everything was bad. The issue, which the NWO found out is that for whatever reason, Ted Dibiase is not a good manager. On paper, he has everything needed(credibility, mic skills, a knowledge of how to get over) but it has never worked. He was amazing at getting his character over but for whatever reason, couldn't get other's over as a manager(he was great at getting his opponent's over as a wrestler)
I like Cody but I do think he thinks he is better than he actually is. He is a solid upper mid carder who is occasionally great on the mic and in the ring. He's got a good look(despite they awful tattoo) but he just reminds me so much of Jeff Jarrett except he was never allowed to push himself to the moon. WWE is a good fit for him right now but he'll be back in AEW within a few years, which is fine. They could really take advantage of fan's legit hatred for Brandi Rhodes and really lean into it. WWE might do that in the coming years.
@@mattm7798 like it or not, cody is a top 3-5 guy in the industry right now. He's definitely not a mid card guy. Just because he hurt your little aew fanboy fee fees doesn't mean he's not a main event guy.
@@mattm7798if fans like you had their way guys like Jeff jarrett, triple h, John cena, the miz, Roman reigns, Christian, randy orton, aj styles, DDP, ect ect would’ve never gotten in the main event of their companies where they rightfully deserved for a variety of reasons like “oh triple h/Jeff Jarrett is only good in his own mind” despite getting the biggest pops or boos of the night depending on face of heel, or “AJ Styles is too small, he isn’t believable in the main event, he should stay in the X division.” Or “DDP is too old to be put in the main event at 35, he’s only world champion because he’s Eric bischoffs friend.” Despite being the obvious people’s choice.
@@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick true, but he could've gotten some decent mileage out of them. They had some really good talkers in the crew(Foley and The Rock specifically) and would have made an interesting Face Faction (which is rare as Hen's Teeth in wrestling, even today)...
RETRIBUTION or “The Burglar Experiment” can really be summed up in just this sentence. “It got these people on TV and made Mia Yim look good in leather.”
The Oddities come to mind as a fairly sizable omission, and you can never rip on the Dungeon of Doom enough. The Spirit Squad also should be on the list
Yeah, but you gotta hand it to any group that has both Earthquake in a mask talking to a Cartman doll, and George "The Animal" Steele. Just for the sheer...well, oddity of it all...
@@irishpanic Not sure if they really qualify - they had a run with the WCW tag titles and a pretty damn good feud with the Yung Dragons, including a couple of hellacious ladder matches. Tank was more their groupie than a manager, squealing like a little girl like they were a real boy band.
Surprised you didn't mention Sanity. They had weeks of promos only to lose in their debut and their most popular member, Nikki Cross, was left behind in NXT.
they had a gimmick of psychotic anarchists the kind of factions that works better in a non PG program but it worked on NXT. I guess it's all about the booking
Miz effortlessly destroying all of Sanity on his own was a far worse burial than Roman solo'ing the League of Nations. At least in the latter case, they got wrecked by Roman Reigns.
Brian bringing up the New Japan model raises a great point though. WWE didn't seem really that invested in most of their factions, but if they gave them legitimate pushes and good booking to try to get them over, instead of throwing them out to see what sticks, the whole thing might have been entertaining, and even lasted for a few years. If you think about how New Japan successfully booked longtime stables like Bullet Club and Suzuki-Gun, but also dodgier ones like Taguchi Japan. It speaks to how their bookers figured out they could keep those stables permanently to keep feuds between different wrestlers interesting. We could have had that in Attitude era WWE, if the two Vinces saw what they had at the time. As Jim Ross has explained, the way WWE sees stables is a testing ground for who they will assign as main eventer, best example of that being no less than The Rock.
My favorite random stable is Kyo Dai. It was short lived Yakuza Stable with Tajiri, Jimmy Yang Wang & Ryan Sakoda. I don't think they ever got out of Velocity.
Ok so A. you were right about Tajiri, I guess they just wanted to slap three Japanese guys in a set and figured no one would notice and B. by confirming on Wikipedia I’m just finding out Sakoda is dead
I remember them from SmackDown but don't recall them having an official name. I was actually at the SmackDown taping before the 2004 Rumble, where Bradshaw beat Akio and Sakoda in a short Triple Threat to earn a spot in the Royal Rumble match.
@@quentinkaasa47 I think their name might’ve been used on Velocity during tags with Akio & Sakoda. Tajiri told WWE to axe the gimmick as originally planned because he didn’t want to anger the Yakuza back home in Japan by doing something they could’ve viewed as a mockery.
the thing about the nwo b team is they werent actually called "the B team" on air. fans began calling them that as the nwo got soo big there was an obvious tier system within the group.
They were known as Black and White. Cause when the nWo reformed, the tiers were the Elite, who wore Wolfpac colors, and the Black and White, who consisted of illustrious members like Stevie Ray, Horace Hogan, Vincent, Scott Norton, and Brian Adams.
@@thomasferraro479 I thought so! By the the NWO moniker meant almost nothing as being a part of it was kind of like old hat. Oh the wasted opportunities of WCW.
@@bigjohnsbreakfastlog5819 Ray was never meant for great singles matches, and the end of Harlem Heat was the death note for his career. Horace and Vincent were only in the company because the Hulkster could apparently put anybody he wanted on payroll. However, I always felt that Norton an Adams were never booked properly in WCW. Norton really should have been billed as a top monster heel. If you want to see the best example of this try to find the Nitro where he beats the living shit out of Ernest Miller. Unfortunately, his early days in the company were spent in the shadow of Vader, and after Vader left the shadow of Hogan. I honestly have no idea why WCW even bothered hiring Adams. They never knew what to do with him, and in fairness he's not the most charismatic wrestler, but he was a solid worker. Had they just paired him up with someone skilled on the mic they could have had a popular tag team, and no Chronic doesn't count. I loved Brian Clark, but he worked best as a singles wrestler. Maybe they could have made a team up with him and Goldberg into something, but even that feels like a stretch.
Actually with the social outcast The winner of the 2015 version of tough enough called the group social jobbers, which caused him to be banned from the Nxt locker room
LoN just didn't gel. There was 0 chemistry with them. The Nexus I agree with until Cena thought the right idea was to beat them in their first match of the feud...and somehow Vince agreed....nothing like getting beat to elevate a group.
What about Da Baldies? Basically an ECW response to the Gang Wars, who existed solely to get their heads stapled by New Jack for about two years. The only decent worker at the start of the group was Vito, who left for WCW, and Tony Devito got decent a bit later on, but his best work is probably with HC Loc as the Carnage Cru in early ROH.
I love Brian leaning into the joke about some people calling him an AEW boy. lol Say what you want about 3 MB but those fools got OVER. They were actually my favorite of these. I don't think The NWA or Retribution were bad ideas. I just think they were rushed to tv too soon before they could be planned out and executed effectively.
3mb were a job stable for sure but they were great. They were charismatic and funny, and the ladder is something wwe rarely was at the time(they aren't funny much now either but you get my point). Obviously everyone has sense realized how great Drew is and most understand how charismatic and good on the mic Mr. I got kids is. I also think jinder is solid and makes work whatever is given to him. I even think he pulled off the random overpushed wwe title run they gave him work to an extent at least.
That's it, I'm calling that weird ring gear Jeff Jarrett had in the NWA Invasion "Memphis Aztec Warrior" from now on. And this is only because I had no way to explain or describe it to anybody.
I loved Sheamus, Barret, and Rusev as a trio. Their chemistry was awesome and they looked like they were legit having a great time together. Then Del Rio got added and it all went to shit.
One simple question, What about Raven!?! I love the Raven character but The Flock was almost exclusively jobbers with the exceptions of Kidman and Saturn. Also every other group he led lost all the time too
Good point. I think the fact it had a very good character at it's helm and some good talent in it kept it from being a jobber stable. The issue is the group itself was never really presented as a credible threat. Raven's Flock in ECW was a much better incarnation and the less said about the TNA version the better.
@@mattm7798 And even then, the ECW Nest was mostly just red shirts. Sure they were good for comedy skits, but Stevie, Meanie, and Nova were usually on the losing end of things.
That was sort of the point though. Raven basically collected losers, the guys on the fringe of society and the idea was Raven would get heat by being untouchable and hardly even doing anything while whoever Raven feuds with can look good by battering his goons. I guess it was a job squad but it was primarily a vehicle for Raven. I think in shoots Raven said it turned into him getting paid to do next to no work.
Which Team Canada? The original version with Bobby Roode, Eric Young, Petey Williams, and Johnny Devine was stellar, and even adding useless lump A-1 didn't bring it down too much.
Without a doubt, if I was to think of a "Mount Rushmore of Jobber Stables", it'd be comprised of 3MB, The bWo, The J.O.B. Squad, & The Mean Street Posse. Also, while the NWA stable was dumb, that theme song Jeff Jarrett had while with the group is legit one of the best WWE wrestler themes you've never listened to before. Seriously, check out "A New Kind of Power", because it's great & really should have been given to someone that would have used it for longer than just a couple of months as part of a failed stable.
I know you've covered the Dungeon of Doom on the channel, but do they qualify as a jobber stable? They were at the top of the card, but that group was put together more or less just for Hulk Hogan to beat.
Given they were feuding with the top guy in the company, technically they weren't a jobber group. As a 5th grader at the time, I thought they were pretty cool but looking back, oh man were they terrible.
The NWA "invasion" was hilarious. We were like, who are all these sloppy, old, out of shape dudes? They needed a makeover. They still had the same gimmicks, haircuts, and ring gear from 1983.
@@gaylordfocker7990 Cornette was undoubtedly trying to be earnest about it, but Vince McMahon probably saw it as yet another way to mock his competition.
WWE has tried invasion angles so many times and failed spectacularly virtually every time. They actually got the Nexus right at first, only to quickly ruin that angle. Even Aces & 8s wound up having a better run than any invasion force in WWE.
I loved the J.O.B Squad. Granted I was a dumb Smark back then and thought it was cool that they were using insider terminology like that. And if a group tried that in A.E.W today I would be pissing myself, but, I digress.
If I remember correctly the episode of Raw that Retribution debuted on was also the debut of Raw Underground and had a first hour with no wrestling. That Raw could be its own episode, it was seriously one of the worst Raws the company has produced in several years
Growing up in the Mid South territory, I thought there was no more badass stable than Devastation Inc. led by Skandar Akbar. However, as all the good wrestlers from his stable either went to the WWF or turned face, all the guys he replaced them with were "glorified" scrubs (Gary Young, Jeff Gaylord, a "green" Cactus Jack). So by the time we got to the USWA/GWF years, 1988-1992, Devastation became a "jobber" stable. Instead of "reloading", Akbar's stable went through a "rebuilding" phase from which they never recovered
Ah, KOTR '95, I was there at the Spectrum in Philly. As an 11-year old fan, it seemed absolutely exhilarating; then I go back and watch it multiple times over the years and feel bad that my friend's Dad spent money on that show.
Dark Order I feel is tough to place when it comes to this list. All of the members besides Angels (37%) have a winning record above 50%, Grayson and Lee both over 70%, Silver/Uno/Vance between 60-70%, and Reynolds/Cabana between 50-60%. An argument could be made for the Silver/Reynolds team when they first joined the group, but Grayson/Uno went 14-6 in their first 20 matches following their debut. The group definitely had some growing pains to work through at first, but I feel like they win too often to really be considered a "jobber stable".
Watching Raw from January-December of 1997 is one hell of a trip. It’s the strangest year in WWF history in my opinion. I thought the Gang Wars/Faction Warfare really helped with the vibe of the show, and I actually loved each of the major factions and even some of the smaller ones in principle, but in execution it ended up being a huge wasted opportunity. Still got some cool moments.
It was like they spent the whole year building up to a Survivor Series card where the best gang would be declared the winner of the warz, and then didn't book it
Well 1997 introduced the Titan Tron and a 2nd hour of Raw in a time slot that allowed more adult angles. But the WWF was still mostly wrestling based through most of 97/98, although constantly pushing the envelope with gritty, reality based content nobody had ever seen on a national stage before. The WWF had not gone public, no board of directors to answer to, and any controversy just gave them free publicity at a crucial time. At the beginning of 1999, what we called "crash TV" (Russo style booking) really took off. You basically had two competing promotions hot-shotting their territory trying to put each other out of business. Except that "territory" was all of North America or maybe the entire planet, so the aftermath of that is what we are left with today.
I've always been a huge proponent of AEW, and have watched from the start. You nailed it with dark order man, and it killed me to watch people defend it so vehemently when it was clearly so bad, but they did at least turn a corner on it for the most part.
@@johanneazcuy9997 agreed with Brodie lee is was okay and it was nice they added his son and stuff and were treated fairly but sorry aligning adam page with them did him no favors.
Fun Fact: The League of Nations faction was an idea they got from the WWE'12 game with the faction of The United Kingdom. It worked in the game, not in real life, lol
It worked in the game because there's no continuity by The way TNA had a stable called The World Elite with foreign wrestlers with Eric Young as the leader.
@@YvngSinatra860 It means as much as Finn Balor winning the first Universal Title. And that's not a shot at Finn, it pisses me off to have to write that.
It could have been so great honestly...not long after when DOA and Los Boricuas were less relevant and the Nation had evolved their feud with DX was a better execution of a gang war in terms of the feud itself
@@anijeepa So, to make it a success, who would have been in a "gang wars type story" in 1997 if not the people actually booked to be in gangs? Because even with The Rock, Farooq, Bret Hart, Owen Hart, British Bulldog, Triple H and Shawn Michaels involved, it was still crap for the most part.
The Cosmic Wasteland (Stardust and the Ascension) was fun to watch even if it was abundantly clear at that point that Cody would dearly love to be doing anything else.
I've always had this idea for a jobber stable called The nobodies. Their catchphrase would be all of us may be a bunch of nobodies but together, we are somebody! And that really helps set them as a bunch of underdogs who always band together and help each other out fight the forces of evil. They don't cheat they don't lie and they don't steal but they are always going against other stables of superpowers who are lying cheating and stealing like the judgment day and every time somebody comes to throw their foot up on the rope or do something shady the other jobbers are out there to point it out to the referee and undo the crimes. No longer are these jobbers victims... They are finally standing up for themselves and the crowd is here for it. Eventually some of them secure some minor titles. A European championship here a hardcore championship there and intercontinental Championship for their leader and at the end of the day somebody breaks free and ends up a main eventer...
You forgot the Right to Censor, the Oddities, & I heard you mention the Spirit Squad, but you didn't go into a detail-like examination. But a great idea for a video. I like going back in time in wrestling. Keep it up
Right to censor won quite a lot (usually by cheating but still) and held a few titles. Lots of wrestlers these days would like to get cheered to the level the oddities did (mainly cause of their entrance and wrestling being ridiculously popular in general).
@@LongLiveRockAnRoll He should've added judgement day because they're dead to rights after they kicked Edge out of the group and replaced him with Finn Balor.
Man really wish Brian watched more TNA, because there's some fun stuff there that would've been great for this video. S.E.X (Sports Entertainment Xtreme), the first primary heel stable that was led by Vince Russo, would be at the top of the list.
My understanding with the NWA Invasion was that it was basically a rib on Cornette. Vince McMahon would get annoyed about how anytime he was out with Cornette, people would start chanting for The Midnight Express and not for whatever Vince had him doing in the company at the time (managing Owen and Bulldog or Yokozuna or Vader). Vince and the other less talented Vince came to see Cornette as being stuck in the past and so they came up with the idea of having Cornette lead an invasion from the NWA. Cornette went with it because he figured it'd be a payday for some of the boys, and he tried to make it work but it just didn't. I remember liking it at the time and there were some fun moments like Cornette getting into a fight with Tim White. I think if they'd given Cornette more control over it and allowed him to book the storyline himself, it might have worked. The thing about The Attitude Era was that there was something for everybody. The NWA as a faction could have given the more traditional wrestling fans something to tune in for...but that was never going to happen under McMahon because he would never allow an invading group to be seen as anywhere near as powerful as the WWF/E. It's the same reason that the WCW Invasion would fail a few years later.
Would love a video of "nearly" stables/teams such as Garrison Cade teaming with Chris Jericho in 2008, Kenny Dykstra nearly joining Rated RKO, Sim Snuka and Manu nearly in Legacy. Sure there's many other examples too.
Was it ever explained why there was an additional "R" in the CORRE's name? Was it just so Vince could trademark the name? I genuinely can't remember if that was ever elaborated on.
Ugh Retribution used to drive me crazy. The mere fact that they had a bunch of invaders running in with Molotov cocktails etc., and not even the other talent on the show took them seriously. "Poorly thought out" was an understatement. And thank you for putting the Million Dollar Corporation here. Seemed between Tatanka, to Sid, to the Kid, and even Austin to some degree, it seemed like everyone I liked who joined that group ended up losing all kinda momentum and looking like a bum.
Hunter Club. The worst team in modern times outside of the US with no doubt. Yoshitatsu badly cosplaying Triple H and getting embarassingly destroyed by Captain New Japan/Bone Soldier are the highlights of this run.
Maybe you should do a top eight worst factions in professional wrestling. There is a list of factions that had potential, only to have it crash down in a slow and steady fall. I mean, you have the Aces and Eights that have potential, only to ruin it when they are involved in too many story lines and revealed too soon. The Nexus was also the next hot thing as well, but we all know how that ended. And of course Retribution was dead at the start when they threw Molotov cocktails to a generator and not the masks and names. That should be number one in general. Please do a list of the worst factions. We haven’t seen it in a long time and we need to see what was the worst factions of all time. #WherearetheGoodCartoons?
Aces and Eights were huge at the time. Not sarcasm. They were around at a time when I had taken a break from wrestling and I still heard about their exploits every day at work. Having said that... The nWo would definitely need to be on that list. At least as an honourable mention. "Only to be ruined when there were too many members." They were supposed to be an elite faction (no pun intended) and they ended up watered down with a bunch of jobbers. I mean, I get that their thing was to take over, and either you were with them or against them, but... It's hard to take them seriously when they have Vincent, Horace Hogan, Stevie Ray and Scott Norton. Yes, I know Scott Norton was apparently a big deal in Japan. And a legit badass outside of the ring. But that means nothing to the average person watching WCW at the time.
@@memeteam8274 Definitely. Lots of factions that would need to go in before Aces and Eights. D.O.A, Los Boricuas (or as I called them Lost Burritos) The Truth Commission, The Oddities That's 4 without even trying. And I loved John Tenta, putting him on a list of worst anything upsets me. But Golga was trash. Also, I didn't put the Meanstreet Posse on there for the same reason I didn't put Team Canada (WCW) on there. Sure, the Posse sucked, but they were great for comedic relief. Shane was super over at the time and it was entertaining watching his minions get wrecked. A lot of people hated Team Canada, but they were great. And I will die on that hill. Lance Storm winning all the titles and renaming them was gold. Mike Awesome was, well awesome and it was a lot better than being That 70s Guy or The Fat Chick Thriller. Elix Skipper had tons of potential. He legit had the ability to be something one day if given the opportunity. I thought the exact same thing about a young A.J Styles at the time as well. And Hacksaw... Well, yeah, I know he didn't belong there, because of the American gimmick, though that's what made it work, in storyline. And I know he was past his prime, but I have such a huge soft spot for him.
Couple of Impact Wrestling ones that you could have included were the Prince Justice Brotherhood. There's also the Rising stable of Drew McIntyre, Eli Drake and Micah, which was used to enhance the Beat Down Clan before that stable blew up because of contracts and other things. At least afterwards both Drew and Drake would wash the stench off of them and win the Impact World Championship. Currently, there was The Learning Tree. Brian Myers wanted to spread his knowledge and we got some killer vignettes off of it. It started off with his first protege Sam Beale, but it expanded to Manny Lemons and "Outlandish" Zicky Dice. VSK was added on and they continued to lose until Brian reteamed up with Matt Cardona to form the Major Players.
Was the Welcoming Committee ever a official stable? I just remember when that happened for a few weeks this was going to be one of those soon forgotten groups of people. They did interact with the Riott Squad anyway. I'm strange like that so I remember them. It was Natalya, Lana, Carmella and Tamina. Also SANity got done dirty. They seemed like such a bad ass team and did absolutely nothing but look like fools in the WWE.
How can Zane forget about the best jobbing stables of all time S.E.X creative by the man the myth the legend himself Vince Russo TNA baby Also I love AEW but nothing wrong criticizing some of their dumb angles I’m glad some of their old stables have finally been broken and move them to do their own things
So, I know this video is over a year old. But I hope you still see this.....an idea for a video: "What happened to local talent?" I feel like in the 80's/90's/00's it was fairly common to see some "local talent" go up against an established star. When/why did this become more and more infrequent?
Let's not forget that retribution was announced ahead of time as a "new faction debuting on raw" when their debut was them surprise attacking wwe as a whole and supposedly nobody knew who they were. Also thank you for acknowledging the hardy family office. Genuinely one of the worst factions I've seen and it seems like nobody brought up how pointless they were even thought the people in it are cool. Now that they basically cease to exist that title probably shifts to the factory atm.
3mb actually got some decent wins early on But yeah, they weren’t very serious threats as time went on Btw I still maintain that Jinder becoming WWE champ was still unbelievable I can buy Drew McIntyre since he was originally “the chosen one” and had the look But Mahal, nah… Even Heath Slater technically succeeded more than Jinder did before Jinder became champion As for Retribution Even though they came out when I was mostly watching the highlights of the show on TH-cam I was still very intrigued by what they were Then they got jobbed out more and more Then I stopped caring
I remember feeling so bad for Drew. IIRC he had a fight with Taryn Tyrell(real life GF/fiancee?) and his push pretty much died. Really happy he refreshed himself outside WWE and came back and was able to get the push he deserved.
Is the Dark Order really a beloved stable now? Tony Khan seems to be letting their contracts run out one by one. Also remember when Brodie was at the helm, he was getting criticized for just doing the Mr. McMahon character complete with the backstage quirks of Vince's like his hatred for sneezing. I don't think that faction was ever that loved (outside Anna Jay) and instead just enjoyed some of the rub from being associated with Brodie and Hangman.
BTE (particularly John Silver), Brodie and Hangman helped put DO over huge (though the latter also helped Hangman too), but after Brodie's passing and once the Hangman storyline finished they had much less to work with. Not to mention right now two members left AEW, one is inactive (Colt, who hasn't shown up for months, I assume due to him and Punk being at odds or at least until ROH gets back off the ground and give him a manager role or something) and given how big the roster is they're not getting any slot anytime outside Dark/Elevation.
I loved the million dollar corporation, as a 10 year old the Tatanka, Luger feud really gripped me , and to 10 year old me Sid was a scary dude and a real threat 😂
Man I love the Dark Order but AEW's continuing trend of releasing OG members, combined with Hangman just not hanging out with them anymore really takes the wind out of my sails.
I know The Rock's theme is iconic and all, but the version of it that's playing during the intro of this video is probably the best version after that one. Especially if it's the version of it that's got him talking.
I really enjoyed the Mean Street Posse, they pulled off looking like rich frat boys trying to succeed in wrestling super welll and adding Patterson and Brisco with them was perfect some how haha
What I know about the mean street posse is that they are actually nice blokes in real life they may not be amazing wrestlers but there very entertaining .
@@Dwainecurtis2001 I was pretty young as well but loved it. I essentially stopped watching full time around the time they went too pg and started pushing like the Shield and a whole bunch of boring stuff. It turned into really good wrestling but no story so you can kind of just watch highlights on youtube every now and again. Probably more profitable because they can sell to kids so dont blame them
@@elizabeth3280 I really don’t blame them for going pg there trying to please their sponsors and the families even though their creative can be bland I still watch it because of the bray Wyatt cm punk Daniel Bryan Kevin Owens and others.
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Speaking of the League of Nations, apparently Kevin Owens was also slated to be a part of that group but the night he was supposed to join, he had a bad case of the flu & was sent home, so therefore was scrapped entirely
He sure dodged a bullet there 😮💨
Despite you clearly writing “League of Nations” I read it as “Nation of Domination” and made myself very confused. 😅🤦🏾♀️
Daveyboy11, that might've saved Kevin's career.
@@missmoanypants I mean owen Hart was in it and he was Canadian too 😩😩some Canadians are super woke
Did he catch it when visiting Terry Funk's horse?
I loved Sheamus, Barrett, and Rusev as a trio of brawling euro badasses. KO’s style would have been a way better fit with them than Del Rio. But if the booking is crap everyone suffers.
I met Heath Slater at a gas station near the arena after a Raw show in my town back in 2013/2014 (pretty sure it was 2013), and he is just the coolest guy ever. We just talked about random stuff, and he even waited for me after I had been rung up by the cashier so we could keep the conversation going outside. We eventually ended up at his rental car, and he got in his car while I stood outside it and we just kept talking.
I insisted on cutting the convo short as I knew he had a long drive ahead of him to get to the next town, despite him wanting to keep going and going.
Absolutely awesome guy, and I was a HUGE 3MB mark at the time, and became an even bigger one afterwards.
He needs to complete the trifecta and win the WWE title dammit!!!
I loved his Free Agent angle and later tag team title run with Rhyno in 2016
Weeeeelllllllll…..
I met him at WWE axccess, he was nice and all, but nothing like that lol
I have no clue how he had time to talk to you…… he’s got kids!!!!!!!!
Way before they had the FCW arena in Tampa, they used to run shows weekly at a dive bar in Port Richey, FL. I went every week and got see Sheamus, Nattie, The Bellas, Dolph Ziggler and Heath Slater all before they were called up. Anyways, Heath was the nicest dude there I'm glad he didnt change.
Favorite part of early Dark Order trying to recruit people was when Uno tried to get Dustin Rhodes and telling him he could be Seven which was on of my favorite WCW callback
Or Christopher Daniels coming dressed as The Higher Power at Revolution 2020 a gimmick he almost portrayed in WWE
Mark
This is my first time seeing "The Dork Order". They earned their nickname.
Alex Reynolds might be the most overlooked member of Dark Order. He doesn't have the personality of his tag partner, but holy crap that dude can wrestle.
@@SebastianMikulec He's mostly known for training some guys.
Calling the Mean Street Posse a “jobber stable” is appalling.
I mean those guys were serious bad asses!
They are the toughest Greenwich had to offer
LOL, right, I think some of them had bronze spoons in their mouth instead of silver.
Especially Willie Green 🤣
Theme song was cool
Someone has to pay, everday!
Is that next to Deepest, Darkest Africa?
Remember that Retribution broke up on the Fastlane Kickoff show. That's right, on the kick off of a B-tier PPV.
The group died as it lived, inconsequential
Calling Fastlane a B-tier is pretty generous frankly
@@dinofacedindividual9462 😂😂😂
One of if not the worst stable ever
Imagine having 5 Wrestlemania main-eventers in your stable (DiBiase at 4, Bundy at 2, and (eventually) Bigelow at 11, Sid at 13 and Austin at 14 amongst others) and STILL sucking!
LOL, to be fair, this was 94-95 in WWF...almost everything was bad. The issue, which the NWO found out is that for whatever reason, Ted Dibiase is not a good manager. On paper, he has everything needed(credibility, mic skills, a knowledge of how to get over) but it has never worked.
He was amazing at getting his character over but for whatever reason, couldn't get other's over as a manager(he was great at getting his opponent's over as a wrestler)
Dibiase tried to be like bobby the brain from how great he was at managing and it never worked
Well tbf all were past their prime. Even most thought Austin was after the Hollywood Blondes.
Certified New Generation Moment
The MDC was nWo before nWo.
Brandi: no problem turning heel.
Cody: "That's not gonna work for me, brother."
I like Cody but I do think he thinks he is better than he actually is. He is a solid upper mid carder who is occasionally great on the mic and in the ring. He's got a good look(despite they awful tattoo) but he just reminds me so much of Jeff Jarrett except he was never allowed to push himself to the moon.
WWE is a good fit for him right now but he'll be back in AEW within a few years, which is fine.
They could really take advantage of fan's legit hatred for Brandi Rhodes and really lean into it. WWE might do that in the coming years.
it's actually TK saying " yeah i like goofy stuff(i even signed Orange Cassidy) but THIS is WACK"
@@mattm7798 like it or not, cody is a top 3-5 guy in the industry right now. He's definitely not a mid card guy. Just because he hurt your little aew fanboy fee fees doesn't mean he's not a main event guy.
@@mattm7798 I wouldn't call Cody a mid card guy. He never fit as one imo he was always too good to not get the push.
@@mattm7798if fans like you had their way guys like Jeff jarrett, triple h, John cena, the miz, Roman reigns, Christian, randy orton, aj styles, DDP, ect ect would’ve never gotten in the main event of their companies where they rightfully deserved for a variety of reasons like “oh triple h/Jeff Jarrett is only good in his own mind” despite getting the biggest pops or boos of the night depending on face of heel, or “AJ Styles is too small, he isn’t believable in the main event, he should stay in the X division.” Or “DDP is too old to be put in the main event at 35, he’s only world champion because he’s Eric bischoffs friend.” Despite being the obvious people’s choice.
Honestly, the Union could've worked if Vince actually tried to make it work...
But we all know how Vince feels about unions.
@@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick true, but he could've gotten some decent mileage out of them. They had some really good talkers in the crew(Foley and The Rock specifically) and would have made an interesting Face Faction (which is rare as Hen's Teeth in wrestling, even today)...
Union of
People
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@@RGF91 that was nicely done and would've fit perfectly into that Era of Wrestling, especially if it was said by The Rock during a promo...
That's a direct Foley quote from the UPYORS era
RETRIBUTION or “The Burglar Experiment” can really be summed up in just this sentence.
“It got these people on TV and made Mia Yim look good in leather.”
The Oddities come to mind as a fairly sizable omission, and you can never rip on the Dungeon of Doom enough. The Spirit Squad also should be on the list
Indeed the Oddities definitely belong on this compilation. Though they were at least over to an extent due in part to the ICP tie in.
Well to be fair, most people can’t handle these oddities.
Yeah, but you gotta hand it to any group that has both Earthquake in a mask talking to a Cartman doll, and George "The Animal" Steele. Just for the sheer...well, oddity of it all...
He also missed 3 count. Shane Helms, Shannon (Jeff Hardys stoner friend) Moore, Evan Courageous and Tank Abbott as their manager
@@irishpanic Not sure if they really qualify - they had a run with the WCW tag titles and a pretty damn good feud with the Yung Dragons, including a couple of hellacious ladder matches. Tank was more their groupie than a manager, squealing like a little girl like they were a real boy band.
Surprised you didn't mention Sanity. They had weeks of promos only to lose in their debut and their most popular member, Nikki Cross, was left behind in NXT.
They at least werent jobbers in NXT
@@ZomBkiller115 definitely not. They were the dominant heel faction before Undisputed Era came along
they had a gimmick of psychotic anarchists the kind of factions that works better in a non PG program but it worked on NXT. I guess it's all about the booking
Miz effortlessly destroying all of Sanity on his own was a far worse burial than Roman solo'ing the League of Nations. At least in the latter case, they got wrecked by Roman Reigns.
The “Faction Wars” era of Raw was quite weird. Pretty much everyone besides Stone Cold and Taker were in some sort of stable.
Was taker in the ministry of darkness and Austin was in two man power trip?
@@fc775 Afterwards yes, but not during it..
At least DX vs Nation was worth it well except for the blackface
Faction wars? They literally called them gang wars on the programming....
Brian bringing up the New Japan model raises a great point though. WWE didn't seem really that invested in most of their factions, but if they gave them legitimate pushes and good booking to try to get them over, instead of throwing them out to see what sticks, the whole thing might have been entertaining, and even lasted for a few years.
If you think about how New Japan successfully booked longtime stables like Bullet Club and Suzuki-Gun, but also dodgier ones like Taguchi Japan. It speaks to how their bookers figured out they could keep those stables permanently to keep feuds between different wrestlers interesting. We could have had that in Attitude era WWE, if the two Vinces saw what they had at the time. As Jim Ross has explained, the way WWE sees stables is a testing ground for who they will assign as main eventer, best example of that being no less than The Rock.
My favorite random stable is Kyo Dai. It was short lived Yakuza Stable with Tajiri, Jimmy Yang Wang & Ryan Sakoda. I don't think they ever got out of Velocity.
It was Funaki with Akio and Sakoda, I remember because I had the action figure box set lol
Ok so A. you were right about Tajiri, I guess they just wanted to slap three Japanese guys in a set and figured no one would notice and B. by confirming on Wikipedia I’m just finding out Sakoda is dead
@@kristophermarconi3169 Well I'm learning today that they even got a figure box set made which is far more than I would have ever guessed.
I remember them from SmackDown but don't recall them having an official name. I was actually at the SmackDown taping before the 2004 Rumble, where Bradshaw beat Akio and Sakoda in a short Triple Threat to earn a spot in the Royal Rumble match.
@@quentinkaasa47 I think their name might’ve been used on Velocity during tags with Akio & Sakoda. Tajiri told WWE to axe the gimmick as originally planned because he didn’t want to anger the Yakuza back home in Japan by doing something they could’ve viewed as a mockery.
the thing about the nwo b team is they werent actually called "the B team" on air. fans began calling them that as the nwo got soo big there was an obvious tier system within the group.
They were known as Black and White.
Cause when the nWo reformed, the tiers were the Elite, who wore Wolfpac colors, and the Black and White, who consisted of illustrious members like Stevie Ray, Horace Hogan, Vincent, Scott Norton, and Brian Adams.
Really...for some reason I thought I remembered them actually being called that either on commentary or within a promo.
Commentary def called them the B team all the time
@@thomasferraro479 I thought so! By the the NWO moniker meant almost nothing as being a part of it was kind of like old hat.
Oh the wasted opportunities of WCW.
@@bigjohnsbreakfastlog5819 Ray was never meant for great singles matches, and the end of Harlem Heat was the death note for his career. Horace and Vincent were only in the company because the Hulkster could apparently put anybody he wanted on payroll. However, I always felt that Norton an Adams were never booked properly in WCW. Norton really should have been billed as a top monster heel. If you want to see the best example of this try to find the Nitro where he beats the living shit out of Ernest Miller. Unfortunately, his early days in the company were spent in the shadow of Vader, and after Vader left the shadow of Hogan. I honestly have no idea why WCW even bothered hiring Adams. They never knew what to do with him, and in fairness he's not the most charismatic wrestler, but he was a solid worker. Had they just paired him up with someone skilled on the mic they could have had a popular tag team, and no Chronic doesn't count. I loved Brian Clark, but he worked best as a singles wrestler. Maybe they could have made a team up with him and Goldberg into something, but even that feels like a stretch.
Z-man. This is what I needed today. Appreciate the years of content you have provided us.
You mean that jerk who left Rick Martel?
He needs a new intro song though. That hip hop thing is awful
@@michaelkeller5927 Right! Ugh, just awful.
Actually with the social outcast
The winner of the 2015 version of tough enough called the group social jobbers, which caused him to be banned from the Nxt locker room
So that's what happened to Josh Bredl?
@@ottagol1985 he should tag team with Andy Leavine 😂
The Nexus and League of Nations had so much potential. The Dungeon of Doom will always be the best jobber stable.
LoN just didn't gel. There was 0 chemistry with them.
The Nexus I agree with until Cena thought the right idea was to beat them in their first match of the feud...and somehow Vince agreed....nothing like getting beat to elevate a group.
I unironically LOVED the Dungeon of Doom. Those segments with pre-nWo Hogan were some of the most hilariously cheesy things ever. *chef kiss*
You forgot to mention that Rusev also became television champion when in the LoN hahaha
I’m so happy someone else remembers that 😂
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What about Da Baldies? Basically an ECW response to the Gang Wars, who existed solely to get their heads stapled by New Jack for about two years. The only decent worker at the start of the group was Vito, who left for WCW, and Tony Devito got decent a bit later on, but his best work is probably with HC Loc as the Carnage Cru in early ROH.
Been watching for years keep it up
I love Brian leaning into the joke about some people calling him an AEW boy. lol Say what you want about 3 MB but those fools got OVER. They were actually my favorite of these. I don't think The NWA or Retribution were bad ideas. I just think they were rushed to tv too soon before they could be planned out and executed effectively.
The match/segments between The Shield and 3MB were incredible.
@@MartinMorrow They were great.
3mb were a job stable for sure but they were great. They were charismatic and funny, and the ladder is something wwe rarely was at the time(they aren't funny much now either but you get my point). Obviously everyone has sense realized how great Drew is and most understand how charismatic and good on the mic Mr. I got kids is. I also think jinder is solid and makes work whatever is given to him. I even think he pulled off the random overpushed wwe title run they gave him work to an extent at least.
one of my favorite bits was Drew going to the Spanish announce table and yelling at them to speak American.
That's it, I'm calling that weird ring gear Jeff Jarrett had in the NWA Invasion "Memphis Aztec Warrior" from now on.
And this is only because I had no way to explain or describe it to anybody.
The fact that there is a pyramid in Memphis just adds another layer of weird to the whole thing.
I love when you do retrospectives theyre your best content. Remind me of a happier time in life too things are rough now
I loved Sheamus, Barret, and Rusev as a trio. Their chemistry was awesome and they looked like they were legit having a great time together. Then Del Rio got added and it all went to shit.
They all joined at the same time
@@henrygiles8803 sheanus, Rusev, and Barrett were teaming for a month or two before del Rio was added in and they became the League of Nations.
One simple question,
What about Raven!?!
I love the Raven character but The Flock was almost exclusively jobbers with the exceptions of Kidman and Saturn. Also every other group he led lost all the time too
Good point. I think the fact it had a very good character at it's helm and some good talent in it kept it from being a jobber stable.
The issue is the group itself was never really presented as a credible threat. Raven's Flock in ECW was a much better incarnation and the less said about the TNA version the better.
@@mattm7798 And even then, the ECW Nest was mostly just red shirts. Sure they were good for comedy skits, but Stevie, Meanie, and Nova were usually on the losing end of things.
@@mattm7798 Three letters help explain why it didn't work in WCW. N W O
I always thought the flock & all it’s incarnations were a jab at Raven himself by the bookers, king of the losers.
That was sort of the point though. Raven basically collected losers, the guys on the fringe of society and the idea was Raven would get heat by being untouchable and hardly even doing anything while whoever Raven feuds with can look good by battering his goons. I guess it was a job squad but it was primarily a vehicle for Raven. I think in shoots Raven said it turned into him getting paid to do next to no work.
My favorite jobber Squad but probably be The Oddities from 98. Especially with Insane Clown Posse with their theme song
After the Gang Wars I thought he was going to mention Oddities lol
If there was a faction using ICP as their theme song I figured it should be one based around Doink. The Doink Posse.
The take on the Hardy Family Office was spot on. I feel like that killed all momentum for Private Party.
And Butcher and the Blade. Well, if they had any momentum.
They got lost in the shuffle in a very loaded tag division. They got further lost when they joined HFO. Hopefully they can get back on track.
They never had momentum to begin with. They were the peak jobbers in AEW.
You missed the flock in WCW, Fortune in TNA and Team Canada, and British Invasion, The Band, and pretty much the TNA side of things
Don’t forget the Misfits in action or world elite.
@@Dwainecurtis2001 also just remembered the Stud Stable
Also Aces ♠️& 🎱Eights from Tna
Which Team Canada? The original version with Bobby Roode, Eric Young, Petey Williams, and Johnny Devine was stellar, and even adding useless lump A-1 didn't bring it down too much.
@@saneiac WCW team canada
Without a doubt, if I was to think of a "Mount Rushmore of Jobber Stables", it'd be comprised of 3MB, The bWo, The J.O.B. Squad, & The Mean Street Posse.
Also, while the NWA stable was dumb, that theme song Jeff Jarrett had while with the group is legit one of the best WWE wrestler themes you've never listened to before. Seriously, check out "A New Kind of Power", because it's great & really should have been given to someone that would have used it for longer than just a couple of months as part of a failed stable.
Honestly, I'm thinking about putting the Hardy Family Office and the Million Dollar Corporation on that monument.
I know you've covered the Dungeon of Doom on the channel, but do they qualify as a jobber stable? They were at the top of the card, but that group was put together more or less just for Hulk Hogan to beat.
They definitely do. Besides The Giant I wouldn't say they were top of the card. They were made to put Hogan over.
I think we can call them a jobber (for the stars) stable
Given they were feuding with the top guy in the company, technically they weren't a jobber group.
As a 5th grader at the time, I thought they were pretty cool but looking back, oh man were they terrible.
They sure as hell jobbed for Hogan, brother!!!!!
The NWA "invasion" was hilarious. We were like, who are all these sloppy, old, out of shape dudes? They needed a makeover. They still had the same gimmicks, haircuts, and ring gear from 1983.
Presumably, that was the joke.
@@jliller Not to Corny.
@@gaylordfocker7990 Cornette was undoubtedly trying to be earnest about it, but Vince McMahon probably saw it as yet another way to mock his competition.
WWE has tried invasion angles so many times and failed spectacularly virtually every time. They actually got the Nexus right at first, only to quickly ruin that angle. Even Aces & 8s wound up having a better run than any invasion force in WWE.
Lol
"Yo, you dealing with the X-Factor"
That roundhouse kick looked STIFF!
I've always been a fan of stables/factions in wrestling. Even some of the jobber ones were great like Job Squad.
But Brian don't forget that League of Nations Era Rusev took home a TV monitor and declared himself TV Champion because of it and that was awesome!
The Job Squad and the Social Outcasts come to mind. I was pretty entertained by the latter.
I loved the J.O.B Squad.
Granted I was a dumb Smark back then and thought it was cool that they were using insider terminology like that. And if a group tried that in A.E.W today I would be pissing myself, but, I digress.
@@dbone3356 AEW did use a Ghostbusters entrance so that doesn't seem impossible
@@claytonrios1 Please. Don't remind me.
And I liked Adam Cole *Bay-Bay*
If I remember correctly the episode of Raw that Retribution debuted on was also the debut of Raw Underground and had a first hour with no wrestling. That Raw could be its own episode, it was seriously one of the worst Raws the company has produced in several years
Man, King Kong Bundy being described as "dusty" at the ripe old age of...41, is just surreal in today's Wrestling world lol
I mean, Brock Lesnar is 44
Growing up in the Mid South territory, I thought there was no more badass stable than Devastation Inc. led by Skandar Akbar. However, as all the good wrestlers from his stable either went to the WWF or turned face, all the guys he replaced them with were "glorified" scrubs (Gary Young, Jeff Gaylord, a "green" Cactus Jack). So by the time we got to the USWA/GWF years, 1988-1992, Devastation became a "jobber" stable. Instead of "reloading", Akbar's stable went through a "rebuilding" phase from which they never recovered
Ah, KOTR '95, I was there at the Spectrum in Philly. As an 11-year old fan, it seemed absolutely exhilarating; then I go back and watch it multiple times over the years and feel bad that my friend's Dad spent money on that show.
Look at it this way; at least you got some fond memories out of it, and that's worth more than all the Tea in England...
@@johnnysizemore5797 Very true and good perspective.
Death, taxes, and Brian mentioning Severn’s awesome ring music whenever he can lol. Loved the longer video that wasn’t a review! Thanks Brian.
Love how in recent years we've seen these jobber stables and slowly ironically became fans.
Where my 3MB Fans?
I'm here
I wasn't cause 2 of the 3 members didn't fit the gimmick.
Aay me 😬😅
Dark Order I feel is tough to place when it comes to this list. All of the members besides Angels (37%) have a winning record above 50%, Grayson and Lee both over 70%, Silver/Uno/Vance between 60-70%, and Reynolds/Cabana between 50-60%. An argument could be made for the Silver/Reynolds team when they first joined the group, but Grayson/Uno went 14-6 in their first 20 matches following their debut. The group definitely had some growing pains to work through at first, but I feel like they win too often to really be considered a "jobber stable".
Watching Raw from January-December of 1997 is one hell of a trip. It’s the strangest year in WWF history in my opinion. I thought the Gang Wars/Faction Warfare really helped with the vibe of the show, and I actually loved each of the major factions and even some of the smaller ones in principle, but in execution it ended up being a huge wasted opportunity. Still got some cool moments.
It was like they spent the whole year building up to a Survivor Series card where the best gang would be declared the winner of the warz, and then didn't book it
Well 1997 introduced the Titan Tron and a 2nd hour of Raw in a time slot that allowed more adult angles. But the WWF was still mostly wrestling based through most of 97/98, although constantly pushing the envelope with gritty, reality based content nobody had ever seen on a national stage before. The WWF had not gone public, no board of directors to answer to, and any controversy just gave them free publicity at a crucial time. At the beginning of 1999, what we called "crash TV" (Russo style booking) really took off. You basically had two competing promotions hot-shotting their territory trying to put each other out of business. Except that "territory" was all of North America or maybe the entire planet, so the aftermath of that is what we are left with today.
Adam Rose could warrant his own retrospective.
I've always been a huge proponent of AEW, and have watched from the start. You nailed it with dark order man, and it killed me to watch people defend it so vehemently when it was clearly so bad, but they did at least turn a corner on it for the most part.
It's still legitimately embarrassing. Right up where with retribution.
@@johanneazcuy9997 agreed with Brodie lee is was okay and it was nice they added his son and stuff and were treated fairly but sorry aligning adam page with them did him no favors.
@@turboturkey agreed. That's a death slot.
I've been waiting for "The Rise and Fall of the League of Nations" DVD for years now and just got it in spades with Zayn's video... Thank you!
Fun Fact: The League of Nations faction was an idea they got from the WWE'12 game with the faction of The United Kingdom. It worked in the game, not in real life, lol
I mean United Kingdom had William Regal.
It worked in the game because there's no continuity by The way TNA had a stable called The World Elite with foreign wrestlers with Eric Young as the leader.
The best has to be 3MB. Think about it. 2/3 of the three men became champions later on. Before that, all of them were essentially jobbers.
Well slater did win the first smackdown tag titles if that means anything lol
@@YvngSinatra860 It means as much as Finn Balor winning the first Universal Title.
And that's not a shot at Finn, it pisses me off to have to write that.
@@dbone3356 The storyline of Slater hunt to win the tag titles was very good. Its super over. Finn, not so much.
And now they are all jacked
@@YvngSinatra860 Yeah, Slater has won tag team championships, but never the gold.
Can't forget the York Foundation in early 1990's WCW. Terrance Taylor, Thomas Rich, Richard Morton and Alexandria York.
Honestly, a gang wars type story has so much potential but like everything WWE somehow managed to completly butcher it beyond repair.
It could have been so great honestly...not long after when DOA and Los Boricuas were less relevant and the Nation had evolved their feud with DX was a better execution of a gang war in terms of the feud itself
The problem was that none of the Boricuas or DOA had any talent or charisma.
@@SteRDLK I said a gang wars type story, i didn't mean that it had to exactly be the same people involved.
@@anijeepa So, to make it a success, who would have been in a "gang wars type story" in 1997 if not the people actually booked to be in gangs? Because even with The Rock, Farooq, Bret Hart, Owen Hart, British Bulldog, Triple H and Shawn Michaels involved, it was still crap for the most part.
@@SteRDLK I never mentioned 1997.
I loved the Social Outcasts. Every segment they did always got a pop from me. If I was watching during the time I probably would have loved 3MB
The Social Outcasts were great
Kinda surprised the Misfits in Action from WCW didn't get a little shout out in this video.
The Cosmic Wasteland (Stardust and the Ascension) was fun to watch even if it was abundantly clear at that point that Cody would dearly love to be doing anything else.
At least it gave The Ascension something to do
I actually liked The Cosmic Wasteland
Spirit squad should be up there
The WeeLC match is still one of my favourite matches of the last decade.
Retribution I think would have lasted longer, if there were live crowds. Ali is a great talent.
Mace looked cool in Retribution gear
The Nation theme playing in the background of the intro made it so hard to focus on what Brian’s saying 😂 So good
I've always had this idea for a jobber stable called The nobodies. Their catchphrase would be all of us may be a bunch of nobodies but together, we are somebody! And that really helps set them as a bunch of underdogs who always band together and help each other out fight the forces of evil. They don't cheat they don't lie and they don't steal but they are always going against other stables of superpowers who are lying cheating and stealing like the judgment day and every time somebody comes to throw their foot up on the rope or do something shady the other jobbers are out there to point it out to the referee and undo the crimes. No longer are these jobbers victims... They are finally standing up for themselves and the crowd is here for it. Eventually some of them secure some minor titles. A European championship here a hardcore championship there and intercontinental Championship for their leader and at the end of the day somebody breaks free and ends up a main eventer...
You forgot the Right to Censor, the Oddities, & I heard you mention the Spirit Squad, but you didn't go into a detail-like examination. But a great idea for a video. I like going back in time in wrestling. Keep it up
RTC can't be included because they won a lot, up until the group ended the aftermath of Mania X7, they were protected fairly well.
Right to censor won quite a lot (usually by cheating but still) and held a few titles. Lots of wrestlers these days would like to get cheered to the level the oddities did (mainly cause of their entrance and wrestling being ridiculously popular in general).
@@LongLiveRockAnRoll He should've added judgement day because they're dead to rights after they kicked Edge out of the group and replaced him with Finn Balor.
Man really wish Brian watched more TNA, because there's some fun stuff there that would've been great for this video. S.E.X (Sports Entertainment Xtreme), the first primary heel stable that was led by Vince Russo, would be at the top of the list.
The stable with 20+ people in it. Awesome stuff
That's a damn good intro you got there, W3!
How you gonna miss P.M.S.?
The most memorable female stable in WWE history during the attitude era!
They didn't wrestle so they didn't job. Meat sure did though.
My understanding with the NWA Invasion was that it was basically a rib on Cornette. Vince McMahon would get annoyed about how anytime he was out with Cornette, people would start chanting for The Midnight Express and not for whatever Vince had him doing in the company at the time (managing Owen and Bulldog or Yokozuna or Vader). Vince and the other less talented Vince came to see Cornette as being stuck in the past and so they came up with the idea of having Cornette lead an invasion from the NWA. Cornette went with it because he figured it'd be a payday for some of the boys, and he tried to make it work but it just didn't. I remember liking it at the time and there were some fun moments like Cornette getting into a fight with Tim White. I think if they'd given Cornette more control over it and allowed him to book the storyline himself, it might have worked. The thing about The Attitude Era was that there was something for everybody. The NWA as a faction could have given the more traditional wrestling fans something to tune in for...but that was never going to happen under McMahon because he would never allow an invading group to be seen as anywhere near as powerful as the WWF/E. It's the same reason that the WCW Invasion would fail a few years later.
All the stables on this list made Paul Jones' Army look like the Four Horsemen in comparison.
Unironically love Paul Jones Army, his promos were mental, send me into hysterics.
Would love a video of "nearly" stables/teams such as Garrison Cade teaming with Chris Jericho in 2008, Kenny Dykstra nearly joining Rated RKO, Sim Snuka and Manu nearly in Legacy. Sure there's many other examples too.
I always liked Kenny Dykstra
Was it ever explained why there was an additional "R" in the CORRE's name? Was it just so Vince could trademark the name? I genuinely can't remember if that was ever elaborated on.
Ugh Retribution used to drive me crazy. The mere fact that they had a bunch of invaders running in with Molotov cocktails etc., and not even the other talent on the show took them seriously. "Poorly thought out" was an understatement.
And thank you for putting the Million Dollar Corporation here. Seemed between Tatanka, to Sid, to the Kid, and even Austin to some degree, it seemed like everyone I liked who joined that group ended up losing all kinda momentum and looking like a bum.
Hunter Club. The worst team in modern times outside of the US with no doubt. Yoshitatsu badly cosplaying Triple H and getting embarassingly destroyed by Captain New Japan/Bone Soldier are the highlights of this run.
Huh?
I know what you're thinking...
*EY YO YOU DEALIN' WITH THE X-FACTOR!*
Maybe you should do a top eight worst factions in professional wrestling. There is a list of factions that had potential, only to have it crash down in a slow and steady fall. I mean, you have the Aces and Eights that have potential, only to ruin it when they are involved in too many story lines and revealed too soon. The Nexus was also the next hot thing as well, but we all know how that ended. And of course Retribution was dead at the start when they threw Molotov cocktails to a generator and not the masks and names. That should be number one in general. Please do a list of the worst factions. We haven’t seen it in a long time and we need to see what was the worst factions of all time.
#WherearetheGoodCartoons?
Aces and Eights were huge at the time. Not sarcasm. They were around at a time when I had taken a break from wrestling and I still heard about their exploits every day at work.
Having said that... The nWo would definitely need to be on that list. At least as an honourable mention.
"Only to be ruined when there were too many members."
They were supposed to be an elite faction (no pun intended) and they ended up watered down with a bunch of jobbers.
I mean, I get that their thing was to take over, and either you were with them or against them, but... It's hard to take them seriously when they have Vincent, Horace Hogan, Stevie Ray and Scott Norton. Yes, I know Scott Norton was apparently a big deal in Japan. And a legit badass outside of the ring. But that means nothing to the average person watching WCW at the time.
yea i wouldnt say aces and eights would even be bottom 30. They had people hooked for months to a year at least
@@memeteam8274 Definitely. Lots of factions that would need to go in before Aces and Eights. D.O.A, Los Boricuas (or as I called them Lost Burritos) The Truth Commission, The Oddities
That's 4 without even trying. And I loved John Tenta, putting him on a list of worst anything upsets me. But Golga was trash.
Also, I didn't put the Meanstreet Posse on there for the same reason I didn't put Team Canada (WCW) on there. Sure, the Posse sucked, but they were great for comedic relief. Shane was super over at the time and it was entertaining watching his minions get wrecked.
A lot of people hated Team Canada, but they were great. And I will die on that hill. Lance Storm winning all the titles and renaming them was gold. Mike Awesome was, well awesome and it was a lot better than being That 70s Guy or The Fat Chick Thriller. Elix Skipper had tons of potential. He legit had the ability to be something one day if given the opportunity. I thought the exact same thing about a young A.J Styles at the time as well. And Hacksaw... Well, yeah, I know he didn't belong there, because of the American gimmick, though that's what made it work, in storyline. And I know he was past his prime, but I have such a huge soft spot for him.
Couple of Impact Wrestling ones that you could have included were the Prince Justice Brotherhood. There's also the Rising stable of Drew McIntyre, Eli Drake and Micah, which was used to enhance the Beat Down Clan before that stable blew up because of contracts and other things. At least afterwards both Drew and Drake would wash the stench off of them and win the Impact World Championship. Currently, there was The Learning Tree. Brian Myers wanted to spread his knowledge and we got some killer vignettes off of it. It started off with his first protege Sam Beale, but it expanded to Manny Lemons and "Outlandish" Zicky Dice. VSK was added on and they continued to lose until Brian reteamed up with Matt Cardona to form the Major Players.
Sam Beale was hilarious as Brian’s protégé
I loved The Learning Tree
Was the Welcoming Committee ever a official stable? I just remember when that happened for a few weeks this was going to be one of those soon forgotten groups of people. They did interact with the Riott Squad anyway. I'm strange like that so I remember them. It was Natalya, Lana, Carmella and Tamina. Also SANity got done dirty. They seemed like such a bad ass team and did absolutely nothing but look like fools in the WWE.
“Chump Stains” popped me 21:55
How can Zane forget about the best jobbing stables of all time S.E.X creative by the man the myth the legend himself Vince Russo TNA baby
Also I love AEW but nothing wrong criticizing some of their dumb angles I’m glad some of their old stables have finally been broken and move them to do their own things
Thank god
So, I know this video is over a year old. But I hope you still see this.....an idea for a video: "What happened to local talent?" I feel like in the 80's/90's/00's it was fairly common to see some "local talent" go up against an established star. When/why did this become more and more infrequent?
Let's not forget that retribution was announced ahead of time as a "new faction debuting on raw" when their debut was them surprise attacking wwe as a whole and supposedly nobody knew who they were.
Also thank you for acknowledging the hardy family office. Genuinely one of the worst factions I've seen and it seems like nobody brought up how pointless they were even thought the people in it are cool. Now that they basically cease to exist that title probably shifts to the factory atm.
Holy shit Bippy. 21:23 Yikes, indeed. I totally forgot about that!
3mb actually got some decent wins early on
But yeah, they weren’t very serious threats as time went on
Btw I still maintain that Jinder becoming WWE champ was still unbelievable
I can buy Drew McIntyre since he was originally “the chosen one” and had the look
But Mahal, nah…
Even Heath Slater technically succeeded more than Jinder did before Jinder became champion
As for Retribution
Even though they came out when I was mostly watching the highlights of the show on TH-cam
I was still very intrigued by what they were
Then they got jobbed out more and more
Then I stopped caring
I remember feeling so bad for Drew. IIRC he had a fight with Taryn Tyrell(real life GF/fiancee?) and his push pretty much died.
Really happy he refreshed himself outside WWE and came back and was able to get the push he deserved.
At least 3MB gave us "THE CLAYMORE!!!". (true story)
"Memphian Aztec warrior"
It's funny when you remember Memphis also has pyramids and kings, just like the Aztec's
Memphis, TN and Tenochtitlan are truly one of the same 😆😂
Is the Dark Order really a beloved stable now? Tony Khan seems to be letting their contracts run out one by one. Also remember when Brodie was at the helm, he was getting criticized for just doing the Mr. McMahon character complete with the backstage quirks of Vince's like his hatred for sneezing. I don't think that faction was ever that loved (outside Anna Jay) and instead just enjoyed some of the rub from being associated with Brodie and Hangman.
Except Tony Khan actually did offer contract renewals for some those guys but they choose to not renew them.
BTE (particularly John Silver), Brodie and Hangman helped put DO over huge (though the latter also helped Hangman too), but after Brodie's passing and once the Hangman storyline finished they had much less to work with. Not to mention right now two members left AEW, one is inactive (Colt, who hasn't shown up for months, I assume due to him and Punk being at odds or at least until ROH gets back off the ground and give him a manager role or something) and given how big the roster is they're not getting any slot anytime outside Dark/Elevation.
I loved the million dollar corporation, as a 10 year old the Tatanka, Luger feud really gripped me , and to 10 year old me Sid was a scary dude and a real threat 😂
Another fun list, would have loved to see the LWO
BWO as well lol
They weren't jobbers tho.
Shocked the Wingmen aren't on here, but I guess they aren't on TV enough for most to know they exist
The League of Nations was a lot more fun on social media than on TV, topped off by a recreation of "The Creation of Adam".
The Czw invasion of ROH was actually good too.
It is sad how AEW fans go after anyone who criticize the promotion
I'm so glad that I started watching wrestling around 98 which meant I genuinely didn't know any better for a lot of these lol!
Man I love the Dark Order but AEW's continuing trend of releasing OG members, combined with Hangman just not hanging out with them anymore really takes the wind out of my sails.
Back to do my www binge and lawd I about choked on my water laughing at 15:55 lmao please, Brian.
AEW is a joke.
I know The Rock's theme is iconic and all, but the version of it that's playing during the intro of this video is probably the best version after that one.
Especially if it's the version of it that's got him talking.
Vincent/Virgil has a face only a mother could love
Zane: I’m fairly certain they put Owen in the Nation of Domination to be the first of its kind “Token White Guy”.
Now THAT is what I call Innovation!
I really enjoyed the Mean Street Posse, they pulled off looking like rich frat boys trying to succeed in wrestling super welll and adding Patterson and Brisco with them was perfect some how haha
What I know about the mean street posse is that they are actually nice blokes in real life they may not be amazing wrestlers but there very entertaining .
@@Dwainecurtis2001 For sure, back then the entire show was kind of wild though. It was like a rated TV MA Soap SAGA with wrestling sometimes haha
@@elizabeth3280 yeah I was a child at the time when I start watching wwe but sometimes I miss those days.
@@Dwainecurtis2001 I was pretty young as well but loved it. I essentially stopped watching full time around the time they went too pg and started pushing like the Shield and a whole bunch of boring stuff. It turned into really good wrestling but no story so you can kind of just watch highlights on youtube every now and again. Probably more profitable because they can sell to kids so dont blame them
@@elizabeth3280 I really don’t blame them for going pg there trying to please their sponsors and the families even though their creative can be bland I still watch it because of the bray Wyatt cm punk Daniel Bryan Kevin Owens and others.
Oh man, that clip of Mercedes getting folded winds me every time. I wish they'd do more wish Xia Li on the main roster.
We may say that the League of Nations was the Dungeon of Doom of WWE's PG Era.
Roman Reigns Tater Tots promo to Sheamus was his Hulk Hogan’s “it’s not hot”
15:57 Love how I just immediately know those are all swords/knives from Skyrim
Ah, the Social Outcasts... It's a crime that such a nothing stable got such a banger of a theme.
One of my favorite wrestling themes ever
You damn right that WeeLC was rad as hell.