Minelab Manticore | Early Impressions | Iron Falsing Problem?
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- I share my thoughts so far after 100+ hours of use with the Minelab Manticore. Does the Minelab Manticore have a falsing problem? Is the detector broken?
I am using the Minelab Equinox 800 and the XP Deus II as reference points, as they are the other primary detectors in my arsenal. This is not a review of the Minelab Manticore, but rather my early impressions of it so far.
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I still find this one of the best explanation about the manticore on the Internet 👍👍Thank you very much!!!
Thank you! :) Glad people have found it useful
“Prolonged suffering phase when first learning this metal detector”… that is such a perfect and profound statement! 👍 Patience and testing! For me, it’s not so much of a steep learning curve, but it’s a test of one’s patience! This is an incredibly sophisticated machine, and can work wonders, if one has the state of mind to work through the steps necessary to achieve what this machine can produce. Great video, thanks so much! Subscribed!
Haha, glad you liked it :D Yup, patience and persistence are two of the most essential qualities of a successful detectorist.
Completely agree with your analysis. I've dug many more bent nails which tend to false more often in my soil but also have dug more good targets - including 102 silver coins since March 16. I've put in close to 100 hours into the machine so I have anecdotal evidence for my conclusions. My digging of ferrous targets has lessened over time and I am slowly picking up on the false tones - they sound a little longer and less tight than a coin would. With the Equinox 800 I could dig sketchy signals that turned into good targets. With the Manticore I find that 90 percent of the time the sketchy signals are not good which allows me to focus on the solid targets. It also separates better and gets just as deep with lower sensitivity. I'm loving the machine so far and hope to break my silver coin record of 406 in a year - currently at 147 :)
Wow that is a lot of silvers! congrats! I am finding the Manticore to also be very good at identifying relics that have non-uniform shapes since it has a tendency to illuminate sketchier signals.
Great video. So many "how to" videos on TH-cam but they rarely explain why and when you should make changes to the settings and the ramifications of doing so, you made it very clear. Two weeks in and about five hunts carried out with my Manticore, I've dug Roman, cut hammereds and some lovely artefacts so far, it doesn't seem to miss much. I've now sold my Equinox 800, I'm committed to the Manticore.
I have been swinging only the Manticore this season and so far have had a great start in terms of finds! Definitely could just be luck / randomness, but I certainly don't feel like I am missing much stuff. I will hold onto my Equinox 800 mostly because of the 6" coil.
At present I own 14 metal detectors. All with there own learning cure.
I love learning a new machine and testing there capabilities.
I 'm STILL waiting on my Manticore , can't wait to put it through it's paces !
The Manticore definitely has its own distinct personality to learn :) I love learning new machines too!
@@LorenLemcke Have you ever used the Whites V3i ?
First multi Frequencie machine and absolutely loaded with features !
@@lewis1141951 No, but that machine is number 1 or 2 on my list of older machines to try.
Thank you Loren for your valuable information on the Manticore, specially on the iron falsing and how to adjust the ferrous limits to rid of the iron Noise, cheers
Thanks for watching, glad you found it useful! :)
Some say a genius is on the edge of insanity, iv been out 4 times with my manticore and this machine is not a set and forget tool judging by my experience with it upto now. Iv come across numerous targets that have fooled me as being good but by playing around with ferrous settings I'm getting more tuned into how this machine operates, your video has explained in detail about how this machine works, it's definitely not for the set and forget brigade,if you want the best out of this machine your going to have to work for it! Great video!.
Awesome, exactly what I experienced after trying it out for the first few times. Both the falsing in itself as the mental fatigue. And just like you say. It does do what I would expect it to do. Also I've noticed how great it is on small targets. But really thanks so much for making this vid and sharing it. It helps to know others have experiences this same issue when starting using it.
Loren, you should be a teacher by trade if you're not. Well said in simple terms to anyone who is considering buying the Manticore or already owns one on how ferrous limits works.
I'm a lucky salt beach hunter who has only 3 different programs that I need to use on my beaches in Florida to get outstanding results without having to modify beyond my initial set up due to sand conditions (not) changing. You guys that jump around to various soils and iron infested places have to work at it to dial in the machine. Great instructional video for those who may want some clarification on the subject. Had my Manticore for 3 months now and am loving it. Subscribed.
You are too kind! I am not a teacher, but glad to know I have a backup career :D Thanks for watching :)
I do not come across good technical videos much at all. Yours is an exception. Excellent job, I subscribed and will check out your others.
Glad to hear you found it useful :)
🙏 thank you, I've just got my Manticore and I'm looking forward to getting out with it. I love learning and you're a great teacher 👍🏻 Glad I found your channel 😜 Stay lucky
Well thought out explanation. Looking forward to more commentary on the Manticore. I ordered one back in January. Still waiting. Your one season comment on learning and evaluating a detector is so true. When I purchased my Sovereign years ago, I initially hated it. After a season of hunting with it, I wouldn’t have parted with it for triple the price ( maybe some exaggeration ). The same was true with the Nokta Anfibio I got last year. I’m using it so far this year and have found a good bit of jewelry and have solved its noisy operation. Anyway, great presentation.
Thanks! Yup, giving a detector its fair shake requires a lot of time swinging it :)
well explained again Loren, keep up the good work
Thanks for watching :) will do!
Loren,
You have done it again. You are the only unbiased intelligent voice in our hobby. Thank you for this revealing video. Please continue to post videos like these.
As to the Manticore, I think what you have pointed out is that Minelab needs to possibly create a better group of pre-sets for new users. This was done with the Equinox and was very successful The presets on it, while not perfect are much better than on previous models.
One other note on the Manticore. I had the opportunity to swing one for a little bit a week ago and I found it to be heavy. Did you?
Bill
Thank you Bill! That's odd, I have been enjoying swinging the Manticore in terms of ergonomics, perhaps even slightly more than the XP Deus II, but I suspect my Deus II's lower shaft is a little more flexible than most. Swinging through mud, stubble, snow, tall grass, bushes, etc. feels way better with the completely rigid shaft of the Manticore compared to the slightly flexible Deus II, but those things are more important in my environment than most. I also like how the more rigid shaft feels more 'responsive' to changes in direction, making it feel slightly more precise.
When setting up the Manticore, or any detector, we want as little weight towards the nose as possible, since it minimizes the moment of inertia, so I always start by extending the lower shaft as much as possible first, then I adjust the upper shaft to get the correct length. That keeps weight further away from the nose and I swear I can feel a slight difference, which could compound over time.
Interesting that you mention the Deus II which I have always found to be nose heavy. Deus I was the same for me. I don't own one but have borrowed a friend's several times. My forearm always feels strained no matter how I adjust the shaft length.
VERY well and eloquently said, going into depth on this machine. I've had mine since December, and had the pleasure of swinging over some glorious Australian outback with some interesting history to it. I racked up around 200~ hours over the course of two months before I left that property, and it really has become a detector I'll not sell any time soon. It is a DIFFERENT machine, I agree with your observations. Needs an "empty cup" to work with, because so many of the detectorists I've seen review and have issues, were all coming from Equinox or Deus detectors, and were trying to force the Manticore to work like those machines - instead of understanding the benefits behind the engineering that went into the Manticore, and working WITH it.
Thank you for an informational video. I’ll be purchasing a new detector soon, and the Manticore is at the top of my list. Hopefully I can figure it out. I have an Exterra-70 I use a lot and It doesn’t give me any issues around big power lines. I just noise cancel and go!
You will be able to figure it out, just takes a bit of patience! Yeah SMF hasn't handled powerlines well until the Manticore, single frequency definitely handles it better in general.
I did a test garden where I buried coins with square nails in different configurations. I watched a different video where the guy did what you did with the upper ferrous limits. Once I did that it wouldn’t false as much but wouldn’t find the coin either. I’ve been trying to find a happy medium but haven’t been able to. I did notice the more you try to take away the false positives the more it messes up the VDI numbers and 2D screen. It looks more like just a false target and doesn’t show two targets. Plus turning on a coin that has nails near it sometimes you lose the target altogether. Maybe only get it one way. After seeing this in my test garden I decided the next time I went out I’d dig every signal that sounded good but looked bad on 2D screen. Results 28 nails and one large cent. Needless to say I was pretty frustrated after that hunt! I really like the machine but I still have a long way to go before I dig less nails without passing on good targets
Thanks again for your valuable insights into a detectors mindset. With 6 months of hunting in on the Manticore it has become second nature for me. I honestly believe I will be learning nuances 5 years from now, just as I did with the Equinox series.
I’ve had the Manticore for a few weeks now… probably have 50+ hours on it… I keep it simple… use all metal mode… general all terrain… I’m starting to really like it… I find the 2D screen very helpful in making dig or no dig decisions
All Terrain General seems to be a great program that hits basically everything.
awesome video! First time purchasing detector equinox 900 vs deus 2 vs legend. I need one with to much chirping and falsing i dont want that mental headache you mentioned. Thanks keep up the great work!
I would recommend the Equinox 900 or the Legend out of those three if stability is key for you. The Deus II can be stabilized up quite a bit too, but you will have to change some settings. Thanks for watching :)
As a new owner of this detector and it is my second detector I have a Nox 600 and like it as well I do hunt mostly on the beach but do go out to the parks and a couple private permissions that I was granted.I did notice the noise when swinging the coil and stopped adjusted separation by bumping it up and bam it was no longer I was on beach deep and I sure a slower swing would have helped but not really need to go that deep and was still hiting on dimes plenty deep along with a thin chain deep and not sure the 600 would hit on it that deep. Anyhow like your first impressions look forward to any of your updates with regards of any feature in put on this matter any questions ask away stay in touch🙂👍..
Brilliant video, thanks. I have been using my MC in long grass and compared to my 800 it is very hard going. Time to travel a bit further and go to my permissions with shorter grass so I can start fully understanding the machine. I like the way I can turn the remote towards me but keep the coil pointing straight ahead, it makes it easier to see the screen in bright light. All I need is some nice dry weather. 🙄😄
I think Mind-lab have increased the ( power ) and sensitivity but at a cost, not to say you can not use it as will work very well on clean unpolluted sites, some people want a silent Experience when hunting, other run wide open and can handle all the chirps and pops, some people love the pulse machines in same way but have to put up with the learning curve ect, best explanation so far about the more reported iron faulting 😎😎😎
Thanks! Definitely agree, it takes some effort to highly stabilize the machine for the silent experience, definitely leans more towards the wide open experience.
I was detecting close to railroad power lines and the Manticore was silent but as soon as I went to no discrimination the detector went nuts.subscribed
That's interesting, it's possible the EMI was triggering a specific TID that was previously excluded via the discrimination pattern. I have noticed that repeated coils shocks, like from stubble, seem to mess with the machines ability to mitigate EMI.
Isn’t that what you would expect in all metal especially close to a railroad.
@@DigemDeep not sure my 900 would not go nuts like the Manticore it’s stranger now the Deus is highly susceptible to EMI because it’s all wireless
Great video. Thanks for the explanation and visual aids, always a plus for me. If only other TH-camrs. Thanks again.
Thank you, glad to hear people are finding the effort valuable :)
@@LorenLemcke I'm not a techy type of person and may have to rewind once, well ok several times. At age 61 its nice learning new things. Even if I do forget them. Haha Thanks a bunch.
Excellent video! Always educational and thought provoking: 😆👊
Haha thanks! Glad to hear you are enjoying it :)
Great video. My main issue with the Manticore isn’t the iron falsing, it’s the good targets iding as iron when they are deep. I have a Deus 2, Manticore, CTX, CZ21, V3i, Sovereign, Legend, and Vanquish at the moment. The Manticore acts like the V3i a lot, in the any deeper targets get really inaccurate with the target ID and you can no longer trust what you are seeing or hearing. The Deus 2 and CTX are my go to machines for now, both machine lock on shallow or deep targets. I’m hoping that there is an update, that gives the Manticore the rock solid target ID of the CTX… but they are different technologies so I don’t know if it will every happen. The Equinox target ID was really bad, just like the manticore so far.
Hi which equinox model has the target ID issues like the manticore? Thanks
Great video, if they dumbed the power back I would also not be happy. Over here in the uk I’ve never been able to run under power lines with the D2 or nox, was under some at 27 sensitivity with the manticore and it was happy. Great machine
Thanks! It definitely handles power lines very well.
Hi @loren, thank you for the fantastic review. I have seen some comments about using it in “all metal mode” which I have found the ferrous tones to be more clearly identifiable. However, not everyone uses it in all metal mode. When would you recommend to use in all metal mode? Or what kind of benefits and disadvantages you find in using in all metal mode or not? Thank you so much!
Excellent video! I learned a lot from this thank you.
Yay! I am very happy to hear people are finding it of value :)
Loren I also find that the Equinox 900 handles the EMI pretty well. Have not had a chance to try the Manticore.
I have heard it has inherited some updated EMI mitigation, but obviously it doesn't have the increased transmit power that the Manticore does. The 900 seems like a fantastic platform.
I love the video and my manticore. Keep it going
Thanks! I am definitely enjoying the Manticore too :)
Long term nox user and know it well. Be interested in your views on how much better the manticores performance is when they are compared on depth and seperation using tones only no 2d screen. I sold my Manticore as i felt it was very much work in progress. If updates sort things out then i may invest again. Thx
I have been using the manticore since January and have been enjoying it. As far as ground balancing of this machine. Both salt beach and land the ground balancing is challenging. Especially on salt beach and in salt water. I have progressed to keeping the ground balancing on tracking. The auto ground balance is all over the place on the beach. On land not as bad. I’m not the beginner user here and have extensive experience with both the Deus 2, Deus 1 and Equinox. My question to you is what advantage or disadvantages are there from using the auto ground balance vs tracking in your opinion? I also had issues the Deus 2 initially ground balancing but figured out the manual or auto was optimal and best obtained with only one or two pumps of the coil to the ground.
I like your videos! I agree, I do think there is something a little weird going on with the ground balancing on the Manticore, not sure if its just the extra transmit power or what. I would personally only ever use tracking if I were in some specific environments, like transitioning from black sand to regular sand regularly. It is my understanding that the drawback of tracking is that it can get off track from the true ground balance, e.g. lots of swinging over an open hole can cause it to auto track incorrectly. There are a few sites in my area that I do turn on tracking ground balance, because they have random concentrations of waste ceramics in the ground (from a ceramic factory).
@@LorenLemcke thanks. Good video. Makes sense. It would be interesting if one could quantify and show that there was a difference in the ground balance tracking between the manticore and Deus 2? The resulting video could be eye opening. I suspect the manticore is a little more advanced but only a suspicion.
@@SavannahHarps Here's an idea that I have for a Tracking Ground Balance test. Maybe someone can improve upon it or come up with something better.
I would use one very low conductor and a very high conductor (US dime) as the test artifacts. The closer the low conductor artifact matches the 'ground state' the more sensitive the test.
Maybe even use black sand as an artifact. Collect black sand with a magnet inside of a plastic bag. Test one sample wet and the other dry. Keep the mass the same. Maybe there's a difference?
Test method:
Because there is computer memory involved with Tracking Ground Balance, before each test a period of rest is required, or turn the unit off/on.
Test layout.
Using a piece of string and tent stakes, map out a zig-zag course between two different mineralized environments. It could be from the water to the wet sand or into the dry sand, up to you.
At the end of the course are your two targets at a depth that is iffy at best.
End.
So when Calabash got the MC I was like, great, they gave a high performance stock car to a guy who drives an automatic! Naturally, he had very little positive to say in the beginning BC IMO he is NOT an advanced user. So he says there is an iron falsing problem, which I have always said was user error and that's how we got here. I have been using the MC for about two months on and off weather permitting, I can say without any doubt a superior machine in the hands of an advanced user. As soon as this rain breaks and I get a chance, I will be posting many MC videos with my take on the machine.
Loren would love to see a video on non-ferrous targets with coins as opposed to iron .
Software rules! The software writers are in high demand! In my opinion Turkey, Nokta are the leaders in software writers, possibly, several factors enter, their willimgness to be attentive to the end user, and their ability to be responsive! The Legend is a formidable foe! Thanks for the video!
Yeah, I will hand it to Nokta Makro, their development team is the most responsive and receptive to feedback.
Appreciate you mate excellent video very educational ❤
Thank you! :)
We are all waiting for your video on Deus 2 updates..when will it be released?
In short, this machine is not the best partner with " Short fuse" detectorist. I hope I will discover I am not one of them...machine arriving next week. 5 months one week waiting. But the wait did give me a chance to review lots of reports..and fade away the negative early one out of my memory.
Most of the highly alertive behavior is only in regards to heavy iron, but its gonna work super well if you searching hunted out parks.
I couldn’t agree with you more I I believe the Deus 2 problem is being all wireless near EMI. It’s very susceptible I own a D2 also
I love the Deus 2, but it is a very sparky detector.
Thanks.
Really want to know what adjustments restrict the depth. If you knotch out ferrous items, do you lose depth, if you knotch out numbers, does it lose depth, if you run all metal, do you gain depth and just have to watch and listen more??
Depth is affected only by the Recovery Speed (power) and the frequency. Everything else either discriminates the received signal or enhances the received signal.
Note that Recovery Speed (power) doesn't actually vary the power output level. It either increases the time window or decreases the time window of the emitted electromagnetic force.
@@pigeonbloodruby5330 This is true discrimination has no effect on TX power, but there are some circumstances where a higher disc will make you miss stuffs, at the end of the depth range a small coin on the edge for example can sound as a bad target with an iron tone. If discrimination is low, that doesn't make the machine more powerfull but that can bring that signal alive, at the end we're able to dig good targets deeper, and it wouldn't be wrong to say the disc. setting is affecting depth in that way. A hunt may not encounter such example but still, to have full benefit of the depth and unmasking capabilities of a machine, the best thing to do is to use a tone discrimination if the feature is here
@@kobbz1161 Agree, I think the OP is looking for answers more like yours. Tks!
@@pigeonbloodruby5330 ID of low conductive targets can also be drawn below the discrimination level when near a ferrous item, and heard as such if the disc setting is too high. Iron filters features are in the same boat, high values for growing skills or audio comfort in easy/dedicated search, low values for maximum performances and experienced detectorists
I made the mistake myself to start metal detecting with a high end machine fully opened and cranked up, because of all the vids and depth test I was watching without understanding/listening enought, I disliked it and sold it at that time. I started again a few years later with a Vaquero. Truth is most targets are not so deep, in many situations I would probably have found more if I was not affraid to miss targets and not looking for maximum depth. These old machines are good teachers
Along with a bit more technical and operating understanding, other huge factor I found is a proper swing: ground distance, speed, and overlap, all relatives to the current soil and search, may even be of a greater importance. Another big one is how we choose our sites... I could also mention target and site evaluation, and of course a thought for the forgotten sensitivity :)
Final words, settings in the middle of the lader or factory implemented are generally a safe bet
What I'm struggling with, I planted a dime by my garden but didn't do a good job at gauging depth. I put a straw on top to mark it. The machine doesn't mark the dime, but it will pinpoint it without a problem. I've tried different settings and recovery speeds but still have hit the dime. I used a small bulb bit to drill the hole but it ended up having some iron close by that drowns out the good signal. Digging it all would clean the signal, but mostly in trying to research for now. Zorn with his silver is driving me crazy. 😀
there will be an update for the iron stuff.. I just hope its like f2 feature like on equinox.. an ' add in' feature that can be enable or disable by user.. I still would love to learn the 'true" manticore experience as the designer/engineer intended even with the holy shit deep ferrous targets i dug.. and i agree with the 2d screen its help me alot with investigating the iffy signal and I do loveee the power the manticore....
Agreed, there will definitely be some times I will want to tame the detector down a bit when the brain needs a break, having some options that allow that would be great.
👍👍👍thanks and keep them coming!
Will do as much as I have free time :)
Looking on getting into detecting for fun. What machine do you recommend someone said ws6 master has best bang for buck? 😅 i want something good but i also dont have 2k.
Look into either the Nokta Simplex Ultra or the Minelab Xterra Pro. They are budget friendly and high quality.
Well done.
Is the Manticore actually falsing? Does it not actually show it as iron? I believe as the White's Spectra V3i the VDI is simply 'wrapping around'. These conditions can influence target response beyond normal discrimination ranges, sometimes referred
to as “wrap around”. Hence, when mineralized ground is upwardly influencing the VDI number, it may be beneficial
to accept +95. The “wrap” control found in the frequency section of the expert menu is also helpful in identifying
these difficult targets.
For it to be guilty as alleged 'falsing' and in reality displaying the 'falsing' on the screen at all how could that possibly be falsing?
The V3i in my opinion is the only true multifrequency simultaneous machine.
c/p Wrap Limit - Off - - In bad ground good targets sometimes exceed the
+ VDI scale reappearing in the 90 VDI range at one or more frequencies. Wrap
Limit allows selection of how far beyond +95 a frequency can indicate and still be
considered a reasonably good correlation / accepted target.
2.5 kHz - Choose the 2.5 kHz frequency for silver / copper and other high conducting targets.
Normalized - Automatically convert raw VDI numbers at 2.5 kHz to the traditional VDI
scale.
7.5 kHz - Choose the 7.5 kHz frequency for all around performance.
Normalized - Automatically convert raw VDI numbers at 7.5 kHz to the traditional VDI scale.
22.5 kHz - Choose the 22.5 kHz frequency for gold / nickel and other small or low conducting targets.
Normalized -Automatically convert raw VDI numbers at 22.5 kHz to the traditional VDI
scale, White’s has chosen to normalize them all to a standard VDI scale. Therefore, a US nickel detected with a
6kHz detector will have the same VDI as with a 15kHz detector. For historical reasons, the
standard VDI scale is based on a 6.592kHz
detector." Ante. A nickel (alloy) in the ground cannot possibly change because of what freq. it is detected on?
Without the ability to 'allow' or not 'allow 'wrap' the operator is perpetually in a quagmire!
Perhaps, this can be rectified by a software update?
In my opinion the multifrequency 'simultaneous' detectors are faced with the dilemma of running afoul of a copyright infringement; however, it may be rectified by a software update and circumvent any obvious copyright? ? ?
people are saying a download is comeing from minelab,can you see how its going to be done,its only connection is with the battery port, or can it be thro wi,fi.
I believe it will use the charging port much like the Equinox series.
I agree when you start on a new machine it makes you a worse detectorist. I think people have a tendency to blame the product not their inexperience. As for Nokta being more responsive, well, they kind of had to be didn’t they. That is a lot different than being better
I forgot to add that this presentation is well thought out and presented. You did a really good job. Thing is you convinced me not to buy a Manticore until I get more experience and understanding on the machine I am using now. Can you do similar videos on other machines?
I TOTALLY agree about the EMI. Some sites I just leave my Deus 2 home. I bought both knowing from years of swinging the CTX 3030 that Minelab would better handle my hot ground here in Virginia and figured it would, as a wired machine, do much better with EMI. It has not been a disappointment.
Yup, Minelab has a history of making detectors that handle the hot ground quite well :)
How well does the Manticore work over the Culpeper Va. dirt? I'll be working my Manticore over dirt that is very close to the Culpeper mineralization.
Have you had the opportunity to compare the Manticore to a PI unit?
@@pigeonbloodruby5330 I don’t have a PI unit any more but have started snooping around for one. It seems VERY stable in the hot dirt out in the open so far but sensitivity isn’t above 22. Seems similar in depth to my 3030. Tomorrow I’ll try the woods.
@@OldDominionMetalDetecting Tks for the feedback!
On Big Boys forum several post dating back to 2017 several post mention 'iron wrap' and falsing on iron. These post normally refer to them collectively. Iron falsing and 'iron wrap' in my opinion are one and the same. This is not 'brand new'. This is not 'new rocket science'! White's Spectra V3i in the expert menu had a way of turning this on or off!
But very aggressive iron limits pattern removes the ability to unmask the targets... so....
In my limited testing and experience it has much less of an impact on unmasking than I thought. Still, there are times when you want the machine to be aggressive and lively, and times when you want to take it a bit easier.
7min in the vid and I’m thinking, i notch out 1 to 65 and I’m still getting tons of nails, and the falsing is between 80-99
Thanks for the excellent presentation!
I like the idea of clearing the 2D screen with a soft key! Delete the 'cache' and start fresh.
You said at 7:52 "It's basically right up against the line".
Are you finding that touching the non-ferrous line or one unit above the non-ferrous line is passing non-ferrous and rejecting ferrous?
In my mucking around I found that I needed to keep a gap above the non-ferrous line for the non-ferrous signal to come through.
You also called the Upper Ferrous Limits 'Notching', is it notching? I'm under the impression that Discrimination Pattern is Minelab terminology for Notching?
Target Trace Mapping
You know how a spring can look like a sine wave. But when you rotate it, the coil becomes apparent. I can generate these sine waves.
I think that the Trace is mapped inside a space that looks like a solid rod or torrid, with the center axis representing the non-ferrous metals. It's possible that there is depth component to mapping that we cant see. I would like to see a 3D map with quadrants. Zones above and below and front and back identified with color so we can see where the Trace is located.
With 100% Ferrous Limits applied and a fast Recovery Speed, I can get a US silver dime to plot on either side of the non-ferrous line, orientation matters. I want to see the data presented in 3D.
Wish List
Because of what I saw with a ferrous trace moving towards the outer Ferrous Limit border. I would like to create discrete regions of a Ferrous Limit. Essentially creating a trap or net to hold the Trace from moving around. Like the game Minecraft, I would like to have the ability to knock out pixels of Ferrous regions.
I think there is an interplay between the 'Ground State', Ferrous Threshold and the "Non-Ferrous' signal that is causing the Ferrous Trace to move like it's being pulled by a magnet toward the boundary of the Ferrous Limit and in some cases it escapes and makes a non-ferrous tone (falsing).
I also want this Minecraft ability to 'Notch' out ferrous signals. I don't like 'Discrimination Pattern' vertical fence post of discrimination passing through the Ferrous Limits region.
I want more control of the 2D screen, like you said to customize it to my soil.
Tks!
GL👨🦯HH
You are right, notching isn't quite the correct word. When all metal mode is disengaged the Ferrous Limits act as a notch of sorts, since it will produce no tone, but there is probably a better word out there.
I am not sure what information would be encoded into that 3rd dimension of plotting that you are referring to. Iron Bias mode, FE1 and FE2 are proprietary algorithms, so we could only speculate at how they work, but Minelab has hinted that the positive Y direction indicates a target that produces a larger response in FE1, and the negative Y direction indicates a target that produces a larger FE2 response. Since magnetic field lines curve, there exists certain orientations for iron objects that minimize their Inductive Reactance, while simultaneously maximizing their resistive response. As I showed, falsing shows up as a dipping towards the center, which corresponds to the dip in Inductive Reactance. So, if I had to guess, I would say the domain is two 2-spaces mapped together into a single 2-space.
I am not sure I could envision a situation in which I wouldn't want to dig a conductive region of given magnetic response, but then also want to dig something in that conductive region with a greater magnetic response. Still, I would welcome more control!
@@LorenLemcke Thank you for taking the time for a thoughtful reply. I'm not familiar with the FE1-2 history and what it represents. I'll have to look into it.
For the 3rd dimension the first thing that comes to mind is the rate of decay. I didn't think of two overlaid spaces mapped together. I can envision that generating some of the sine wave 'looking' plots.
I'm still bothered by the trace being attracted to the boundary of the Ferrous Limits. I've seen examples of this in the Lower FL by mowerdog and recently in the Upper FL. I've saved the link if you want to view it.
In the past I had to search the internet for the code to gain 'Developer access' to my phone. I wonder what the process is to get inside the beast? 😆
Tks for the great video! I think it will be helpful for those who are struggling to understand it.
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Excellent channel! Just sub'd
Thank you! :)
Great insight, just happy not many nails here in Japan
by the way....Looks like you need to hop in the shower with that thing 🚿
What indicates it is iron? Specifically, what VDI (Visual Discrimination Indication numbers) indicate it is iron? Around 5:36 it no longer Falses? Respectfully, at that time it indicates 'nothing'! And that is what is meant by 'falsing'? My analysis is simply if there were no 2D screen there would no 'mystery'? I believe that the Manticore is doing absolutely nothing other than reporting 'wrap around' on the 2D screen. I totally fail to see how that could equate to 'falsing'. Most often there is no iron? The only indicator is the 2D screen? And even then (quite often) there is 'no iron'? Software writers! Update!
Donald....you don't understand the machine or "falsing". Watch the video again....there is no big need for an update. The machine is capable of staying quiet when hitting iron if that's what you want it to do. "Falsing" is giving a nonferrous indication when in fact it is a ferrous target such as iron. I'm really not sure what you're comment is asking to further explain.
Folk need to turn the power down in iron
Adjusting the sensitivity doesn't affect the transmit power. The sensitivity changes the amount of amplification of the received signal. Still, amplification also amplifies iron falses.
I will never have your skills or A$2600 .
Haha :D was rather pricey here in Finland too.