Schrade SCHF52M vs ESEE6 - Field Review and Comparison
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- I was given the suggestion by my viewers to take a look at the Schrade SCHF52M as a possible competitor to the ESEE 6. In this video I look at both side by side. Put it this way...one of them broke...enough said.
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I disassemble my shrades and put them in the oven at 300 degrees for two hours . Tips pointed north. I do this twice. To properly anneal them. No problems with the tips after
The Schrade, in my humble opinion, is strictly a camp chopper...the grind isn't conducive to much else, given the thickness. But as they say...to each his own! I'm more than happy with my Esee 6..its perfect for everything in my world & takes a screaming, sticky edge that surprised me at how long it stays! Esee also has THE BEST warranty found anywhere on earth..just an amazing company all around! Great vid man👍👍👍
Not the best warranty but certainly second best. I love my esee 6 and my Izula too 🙌
I am working with the little brother the 51 and its holding on nicely.
You are not the first one to break a tip on these knives.
Thanks
BB
Schrade said they'd warranty it, but it's going to cost me basically $18. $18 on a $40 knife doesn't seem worth it. I'm going to regrind mine and sculpt the handle scales and make it a new design I think. Might as well have some fun with it!
+outer limitless that would be interesting to see!
Thanks for the review.. I was debating to get schf52 over bk7 because of price difference. Now, its a no brained I'm getting the bk7.
I haven't done a full review of the BK7, but it shows up from time to time in my videos. I can say with out any doubt that if you chose the BK7, you'll be very happy. The schf52 was such a disappointment!! My advice is to watch eBay as long as you can hold out...wait till you see someone letting one go of a BK7 either upgraded with the micarta handle scales, or a kydex sheath...or even better yet, both. I watch them and frequently see upgraded models that people are selling off. I'll probably sell my BK7 at some point because I need to free up some cash for more reviews...but I will do it hesitantly and with a lot of despair!
I love the BK-7. I’ve done everything including digging with it and it just keeps rocking
I just bought a schf 37 here in the Philippines. I ground down the jimping, stripped the blade then gun blue. Put it on the worksharp and put a 20 degree convex. Damn this cheap knife rocks now so much so i ordered a kydex sheath for it.
Nice...I don't own a worksharp...you have the original version or the ken onion?
outer limitless
Ken Onion. Not as easy as they advertise. Very easy to round off a tip if your not careful but it really does the job and shaving sharp. I used the blade grinder attachment to knock down that aggresive jimping.
I have those two knives and I love them both! It is most unfortunate that the tip of the Schrade broke, I have beat the crap out of mine and it has been perfect the whole time. I do like the ESEE more, but it cost three times as much. This was a really good video. I subscribed and look forward to seeing more of your videos in the future. I do suggest that you give the Shrade another chance. 😉
I did do a follow up actually...the Schrade performed very well overall...the tip was just a fluke...maybe a bit of over heat treat on the tip. Take a watch if you want: th-cam.com/video/Cdgq_hb1ams/w-d-xo.html
outer limitless I watched it, another good video! I can certainly understand why why you were not able to recommend it after the tip broke, but I'm glad you gave it another chance. 😊
You are the only reviewer that has had those problems with the Schrade knives. Oh by the way compare the Essex 6 with the Becker bk7 they’re not close in price but BK7 is a better knife
Do you think with a better sharpening can a 1095 blade become shaving sharp and hold this edge for long ?
I very much like 1095. I think it's a great steel, and I can get it nice and sharp and hold an edge without "sharpening". I tent to hone my edges more than sharpen them. I feel like many people use diamond stones or abraisives, which remove metal...no need if the blade has a good factor edge...just use fine ceramics and leather
I have both blades. I haven't had a chance to put it through any testing. I could purchase 3-3 52's for the price of the Esse. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences with me. I appreciate it sir.
But WOULD you want 3 52's versus 1 ESEE? I'd take the 1 ESEE...personally...
I just bought both. Plus the Leroy and Jethro and Esee 3,4,&5. All good knives and have their purposes
I own one for years and the tip also broke off ( it was expected since I was throwing the knife) No big deal, I just grinded a stronger tip with a whetstone. It’s been going strong ever since.
I recently got the Schrade 56LM and for the money I'm quite happy. Sucks you tip broke, but that seems more like you got a lemon than what most people are reporting about Schrader in general.
On my 56 the Micarta is pretty rough, but I just to a light sanding block to it and it's comfy as hell! And while I used to do manual labor, I am now a desk jockey and my hands are pretty soft compared to what they used to be. I'm fairly new to the knife game, and the Schrade is my first purchase in this category of knives, I'll probably buy more, but for the price I couldn't be happier!
I appreciate the review though. I try to look at a lot of reviews and I learn a lot from everyone's opinions on all of these knives. In a true survival situation I'd be happy to have a steel bar, let alone a good knife! I think most knives will serve, but if you can find one that works for you, it isn't a bad knife.
Yeah, the tip breaking didn't start the video exactly on the right foot...but overall it performed well. I did a follow up video on the Schrade and it was fine even without the little missing tip. Sandpaper would make a big difference in comfort I bet.
How can you compare these two knives, no contest
Have you tried to make a claim with Schrade to see if they will replace it? I have this schrade knife and I have been splitting wood with it from day 1 with no troubles at all, but I dont beat on the tip of any knife I own. Would like to know if schrade will replace it or not.
They would replace it, but there's a $10 fee plush shipping. For a $40 knife it's not really worth it. But I've since beat that knife senseless and it's strong as hell. It was just that little piece of the tip that was weak, likely over heated during grinding.
I've use so much schrade and my top broke but it was easy to fix but it's still going strong
Hi, did you manage to reach out to Schrade about that broken tip? I have the 52 with the rubber kind of scales. Had it for about 3 or four years now. Have used it quite a bit and have had no problems at all. Few months ago hit a stone while chopping something. Had a bit of a roll on the edge. No chipping though. Put it through the sanding belt and now it is sharper than ever. I have also convex the edge over the years. Recently did two solid hours of chopping some pretty thick branches and small trees cleaning around the summer cabin. Thickness ranged from 1-4 inches in diameter. I was pleasantly surprised at the ease and quickness with which it sliced and chopped through the wood. After that in have only stropped it and it is still super sharp. Planning to do some nice wooden scales and a leather sheath now. I think for a budget knife it is a great one. Although here in Europe you pay much more than the US. I have the BK2 as well, which I love. But for chopping jobs, the 52 is my preferred non-axe tool. While the BK2 is also brilliant, 52 sort of has an advantage because of the length. Thank you for the video and stay safe!
Thanks! I never did reach out to them. It's on my "to do" list, but I haven't prioritized it just yet. I really should! I like the length on the 52 vs the BK2 and it even has an advantage over the ESEE 5 which might be a good comparison in other aspects.
I have a mora clipper which I have wailed on with a hammer to baton through beef bone and timber , never had a problem. I like the schrades and never been big fan of ESEE , but the ESEE 6 looks great. By the look of it, the ESEE looks a lighter knife to carry than the schrade. and that would a bonus.
Notice you chopped behind the Schrade .in the same cracks.
Yes, I do!!
The esee6. Wishes it was that Schrade !
Thank you for the comparison review. My Schrade Schf10 is still going strong over 4 years later.
The tip broke off during the stabbing test! Before chopping the knife into the block off wood. Not while splitting! If you look closely you wil see and hear the tip breaking off wen he takes the knife out of the block :)
Dump ass.
Good video, love the esee 6
Thanks!! ESEE for life man!
Assuming both knives are sharp, but they have different blade geometry. The Schrade has steep bevel about 1/2" back from the spine where the Esee has a more gradual taper. This accounts for having to hold the Schrade at more of an angle to get it to "bite" into the wood than the Esee. The edge on the Schrade may be more durable for chopping than slicing because of that greater angle, I donno? I think they are actually different types of knives.
Hello , What is the blade height of the Shrade schf52m ?
Thank you .
The blade depth at the widest point is right around 1 5/8". I just measured...hope that helps.
outer limitless OK . Thank you . 👍
I got mine with the TPE handles because they are much more comfortable although not as pretty as the micarta.
will buy one
outer limitless - where'd you get that gree sheath?
This sheath is the one I got with the knife...I bought my ESEE 6 "Used" with 3 sheaths...the green was one of them...but ESEE has sheath options including the molle back, which is really great. I suggest looking into it further...you should find info if you look into ESEE 6 molle back. Good luck!
@@outerlimitless thank you! They looked like great sheaths
Actually the Esse 6 is not 3/16” it is thinner! Thanks for the video
I bought my schf52 a month ago in 2021. They seemed to have fixed the weak tip problem. At least with mine. I changed the angle of the relief edge and it bites great now. Also. I always take my Chinese knives apart and anneal the blades in my oven facing north. I’ve been doing this for 20 years. It stops edge chipping, and tip snapping.
Literally facing North? Do you think the magnetic field impacts the grain structure? I never would have thought about that, but it might make sense. Interesting thought. Thanks for watching and the intriguing comment!
@@outerlimitless Magnetic North. it was what I was taught to do. I never questioned it. Just know that it works. 400 degrees for two hours. Allow to cool down to room temp in oven turned off, door shut. Repeat 2 more times.
Oven must be spotless.
@@rebelyell2741 I know this is an old comment, but since this is a very interesting point and as I'm learning about blade making currently, I'd like to point out that the process you are describing is called "tempering". Annealing would be heating the blade up much hotter, to when it is red hot and non-magnetic, and then cooling very slowly. When you do that you lose all hardness in the metal so it would no longer hold an edge at all.
When tempering, 400-450 degrees is usually a good range for most steels. Optimal temperatures will depend on the type of steel of the blade and what rockwell hardness you're going for. It's possible that, say the factory tempering process leaves you with an optimal rockwell hardness for the steel, say 61 HRC, but then you re-temper it at home and end up with an HRC of 58, which may or may not be ideal for the steel in question. In that instance, you ruined your factory temper and made your knife less capable of edge retention. Now whether this is noticeable to you in every day use is hard to quantify, but you may have made your knife less-good. I never would have thought to try to temper an already "finished" blade, as tempering "should" be part of the heat treating process directly after quenching the steel. The purpose is to help relax the grain structure of the steel so it's not as brittle. In the case of cheap knives not being tempered at the factory, this process absolutely could help increase the durability of the blade, it's just hard to know what the factory heat treat process was to begin with.
I don't know if the magnetic north aspect actually has an affect or if it's more of a superstition, but it's something interesting to look into, and if it ain't broke, don't fix it!
Last thing I'll say is that two tempering cycles of 2 hours each is pretty much the norm. I don't think there is much benefit to doing it more than that, but also I can't say if more cycles would be detrimental to the blade or not. As a precaution, it might be a good idea to not do these extra tempering cycles with your nicer blades from reputable manufacturers because they will have definitely been tempered already in the factory with better, more precise, heat control than you can get from a kitchen oven.
Fair test my friend. I won that very Schrade on FB. Kind of curious to test it out now. I've only had it a month and haven't done anything with it so far except sharpen it.
You'll like it overall. I might have just got a bad one...the thing is beefy. Has a nice handle. I am going to regrind mine and hope for the best. I'm also going to re-profile the handle scales to round them out a bit. I'll probably post a video on those mods.
Schrade would honor the warranty, but I'd be on the hook to ship it back to them...so I figure I don't want to spend the $12.00 on a blade I paid $30 for. So, why not turn it into a project and mess around with grinding!?!?
Good luck with yours...hope you got one with a solid heat treat...if you test it hard, you should video it and post it. The more people who do, the better, especially for a blade that has been struggling with quality.
...thanks for watching!
Should've bought the 52 with the rubberised handles, I see where your going with this vid!!
ChadsOutdoor Life Agreed, I had the 52 and it was an amazing knife. That big ole blade feathersticks like a dream, but chopping with it was the best part, that thing rocked why I sold it is beyond me LOL. This video seems very biased .....dang it's only $40!!!
I like Mike's review at Bluemountainbushcraft, he really gave it a fair review and was spot on about the schf 51 being to short but the 52 being spot on.....LOL this makes me want to buy a new 52M and make some reviews of it, other than my Gerber Prodigy it was my next most favorite knife.
my Schrade SCHF52 is .23" or 5.9mm (as you say just shy of 1/4") spine thickness. And yes they do supply them with a slight hollow grind, mine is 1.4mm behind the edge, which is IMHO done to improve slicing ability.
My only complaint with the Schrade is the micarta handle is slightly too aggressive with its texturing, though I have solved this issue with camo form, now the handle is excellent (an it alleviates the shock transfer issue you had)
The big thing is cost, ESEE 6 cost $139.99-$140.95. Schrade SCHF-52M $45.95 (on special?) for my money it is the Schrade every time.
That's fair...I think if people are on a budget then that is definitely a consideration for the price. When you say Camo form, is that like wrap? I have some viewers saying the rubber handle is better for this model...might be true?
@@outerlimitless yes camo form is a wrap (you can get it on Ebay sometimes for a lot less than what they are asking for in the link below)
www.onduty.com.au/products/camo-form
as far as the rubber handle, I don't know mate as I only own the micarta version.
Screw that schrade is garbage now, they tricked people into buying the Jess X when they changed the steel to a cheaper steel without telling everyone and now their company has suffered because people lost respect for them after the Chris Tanner issue. $50 knife=junk
What's the cost difference we need to know?
Depends where you buy it. I buy a lot of knives from various sources...paid about $80 for my ESEE and $17 for the Schrade, but it depends where you buy them and if they are brand new.
I just received a SCHF52M and it was damn near perfect, except for the blade edge just a small bit off set like you mentioned in the video, but over all great. mine handled batoning tasks wonderfully. i think maybe you just got a bad one from factory. i feel like i can trust mine.
I hope it was just a bad one...hell, every company has a bad day...I've had a bunch of Schrades...all of which are much thinner than this one, and i've yet to have one even chip...so I dunno...I'll be following up with them to see what they say.
Won't Schrade give you a replacement? You should be able to use this knife heavily without breakage. How could they look at this as any kind of abuse to void any warranty?
They will warranty it. The problem for me comes where it's effectively a $40 knife...they charge $10 for the replacement, and I need to ship it to them...which would be like another $10. So now my $40 knife is a $60 knife. I'd rather regrind it and make a project out of it, which I intend on at some point. But ultimately, yes they will warranty it.
The newer schrades are absolute beasts for a 40 dollar knife and even outworks some more expensive ones.
I do like Schrade but only models that were made in Taiwan not China. I got the SCHF9 for $38 (6.5" blade length same as the ESEE 6) which I am very happy with it, it is tough.
From my observation, Chinese made Schrades like this SCHF52M, SCHF37 currently have problems of breaking within first 5 minutes of test and I'm glad I did not get any of those, my speculation would be the inconsistent heat treat.
I think this is a fair comparison and I would get some ESEEs in the future though when I can afford (after getting proper backpacks and tough boots).
So if you can, please compare this ESEE with Schrade's SCHF9.
Edit: cons for my SCHF9 is that the handle might not be for everyone, I like big handle scales.
Very interesting observation you've made. I guess I never really thought about the difference between the China vs Taiwan versions. I'll look into that for sure, and maybe make a specific video about that topic. Great comment...thanks for watching!!
I learned some of the cultural differences in production quality and results shown in various American brands. Would be interested to see a test or an analysis of this issue.
had a schrade schf36 and I also broke the tip of the knife, bad heat treatment I think, but I saw a guy who also had a schrade schf36 and he did all kinds of horrible things to it like prying the knife tips sideways and the knife held up so his knife was fine . Schrade is simply not at the same level of quality as esse, every knife from Schrade can be of different quality and it depends on which one you come across. Personally, I would also choose Esse because I trust the build quality more.
Bonjour So which one is the best ?
I would say "Best" depends on your objectives. Price, or durability, or ergonomics all play into it. Just depends on your needs and preferences.
Ok durability and ergonomics ?
js you can tell that the tip is broken before the batoning even starts. if you look closely, from 6:29-6:40 you can clearly see that the tip is broken
Yes, you're right...I covered that a while back in the comments. The tip broke prior to the batoning...during the tip stabs right at the beginning.
I rewound the clip when I saw the Schrade tip had come off during your batoning sequence. It looks it had already broken before you started hitting the edge of the stump from 6:34 onwards. Having said that thanks for the review and I will be going for an Esse 6. I already have a shorter Schrade, the SCHF32 but for a larger, FF ground the 6 cannot be beaten. Good luck!
You're right...I never noticed that...the tip seems to be missing already. At 6:26 I pull it out from being stabbed into the stump. I'm gonna look at my stock footage to see if I can get any more detail...I'll get back at you...good observation!!
So, yeah...at 6:26 I think I actually hear a little snap where that tip broke...at first it sounded like just the stump making a little pop, but I think it's actually the blade as I rock it back and remove it from the stump. My stock footage starts on that clip at that exact point. I went back a couple clips, but never see me stab the final time into the stump. So it happened between the stabbing task and the chopping on the edge of the stump as you mentioned.
Very strange, but interesting. (oh, and yes, the ESEE 6 is wonderful) Thanks for the comment...good looking out!!
how about hold the esee by the grip not your lanyard? and get a schrade with same grind profile. lets compare apples and oranges next
Pick a schrade...any single one. I'll buy it and compare it. But you have to do the same. You buy the schrade and esee and post a video. Let's see how you do...and once you get it done, then we'll talk.
@@outerlimitless right fuckin everyone's a critic.
Yo tengo el Schrade con mango engomado y lo trabajo con pruebas muy duras y no se me a roto la punta. 👍⚔️
Have you tried the Schrade schf36 or 37? They are very similar to the esee but made of 1095 high carbon steel and not that mov stainless crap like the schrade in this video.
I have not tried either. First time someone has suggested that blade to me. I'll take a look, thanks!
outer limitless anytime. I just got mine and have already used it a lot.
A better comparison would be the Schrade schf42d give it a try.
Do you own ESEE stock?
Only Outer Limitless stock. You?
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You can easy sand down the micarta handles to make the handles smooth. One big negative point is gone. Schrade had some issues with the heath treatment. The one i have . i used for battonning as well and no broken tips and i already have it 2 years now :) i guess you just had a bad one .. Message Schrade in that case and they'll give you a new one :)
Yeah, I have a project in mind to address the scales and also the broken tip...I did some further testing of this blade...if you watch my "Schrade, Chris Tanner, Jessica X" video, you'll see I thrash on this thing pretty good and it did ok. It was just the very end of the tip that broke...the rest is solid.
I found schrade makes a better chopper nxt the steel on schf52M is 8cr13mov the standatrd schf52 is 1095. Both micarda handles start the same both get smoother over time. Does seem to me that they start the same however esee does have tighter QC's. The schrade does come with bonus items. So chopping goes to schrade, and fine work go to schrade at least in my testing but might be due to schrade coming sharper. Over all schrade does win specially considering price and items... But esee has better CS or customer service so there u go.
The 51s are known for points breaking. Schrade 38s aren't. Put that $30 Schrade against tha $130 dollar ESEE. I'll take 3 Schrade SCHF38 over one ESEE and put money in my pocket. All so why the hell do you want to beat the hell out of any knife doing something unnecessary like batoning.
I'm curious if the steel on the 38 is Taiwan vs. China. I hear that makes a difference. I baton all the time...but I also use my blades hard. I actually like batoning...it's very effective. And I don't take it as beating the hell out of them...I've come to believe that they should be able to handle batoning...especially 1095. Good carbon steel should be able to take it with ease...no matter how hard you smash the knife. I have personally used and tested almost 200 blades...mostly fixed blades at this point, and the quality blades don't even blink at batoning...it's just what they do. If a blade breaks, I blame the quality plain and simple. And question, would you stab with a knfe? Because if you stab with a knife, that is actually where this blade failed...not in batoning...I was just thrown off by not realizing the tip was already broken before I started batoning...
Now, with that said...I don't blame you for finding a nice quality blade in the 38. It's not about the price...it's about what value is placed on the purchase and the trust you gain in the blade. If you trust the 38 and that is your blade of choice, I stand behind that decision...because the best blade is ultimately the one you have and more importantly, the one you trust. Thanks for writing.
outer limitless They are both made in China of 1095. Both are said to be drop point however the 38 is a bit thinner on the pints taper. I've used the heck out of it for couple years. But my goto is an OKC Rat 7.
For splitting wood I use a 14" Fiskars 1.5 lbs hatchet. It splits wood in one wack. If I want to make wood shorter I use a Gomboy folding 9" saw by Silky. It's made in Japan and cuts wood like a hot knife through butter. It weighs about 10 oz. The Japanese are masters of the saw. The added 2lbs of saw and hatchet to my EDC is worth it.
I know that most here are thinking Man and his knife against the forest. We could take that a step further by loosing the knife and beaver chewing our way through the woods. I like using tools other than just knives it breaks monotony.
No you Wouldn't
If they are cooling the knife after adding the primary edge bevel thru QUENCHING in water, with that edge being THAT thin...oh...dudes...that's why I prefer a tip like the one on the carbon steel SRKs and Trailmasters...those damn things are TOUGH!
I think it's the bat you used instead of a softer peace of wood. I've never seen a Schrade tip break like that in other reivews and I've seen a lot of them. I'm not trying to start a fight here by saying that, I'm just saying. Great video as are all the ones I've seen from you. I like your intro, it's cool. I'm thinking about getting a Becker BK 7 it just seems like it's a little too long. thx again & have a great day.
I wondered that myself about the bat. I guess the only thing that I have to go by is that I've batoned a bunch of blades with that thing and haven't had a problem (until now!). Hahaha, no worries...no fights to be had...it's a valid point! I like the BK7 very much, but again, like many great blades, if it had a choil, I'd like it better, and that's where the BK7 is lacking in my opinion. I've liked it when I use it, but the BK9 has my taste right now...but I love large blades.
I gave my SCHF37 to my son when he went back stateside. Ordered the SCHF52m will get it tomorrow from Tactical Asia in Manila. I have a stump in my yard ill give it a slight tip test. If it breaks ill put it on the Ken Onion then see how it does. Heat treat is hit or miss.
Ill say its the hollow grind on it ill reprofile to convex first thing.
I did another video on this...it ultimately performed very well overall. I beat that thing seriously hard...but it held up nicely. It'll probably be just fine for you. I only ended up with a little tip damage.
Let me know how it goes...i'll be interested to hear how it performs!
Well I recieved the SCHF52M 2 hours ago. It came with a very slight chipped point. Edge was very rough couldnt cut paper let alone shave. Edge had micro chips. I convexed the hell out of it on the Ken Onion then stropped. Razor sharp now. I whaked on a stump in my yard alot then a slight tip test. No problems appears to be a great knife now I think the edge on the hollow grind left the tip and edge too thin to the point of being brittle. Convexing brought the edge up into thicker metal.
That's why I love my first production run schf 37.it has a definatly hollow grind.and it's tempering and annealing were done to spec. The quality of the metal went to shit after that.
Well say, I'm in the same situation, like my 37! Always feel secure in my hands.
I just bought a 51 this week and it seems outstanding.
You must have gotten one of those early SCHF52's with the bad heat treat. The problem was corrected in the newer ones, and they are beasts!
I beat the snot out of mine in a follow up video and it was really strong and performed well. I think the tip was overheaded in grinding, rather than in the heat treat itself.
@@outerlimitless So where is your vid of the replacement Schrade, SCHF52M vs ESEE6?
@@buzz24392 I have not gotten a replacement for the schrade. I'd be interested to see if they warranty the existing one though...
Please send it in and test the warranty.
You do a comparison of an upper-scale expensive semi-custom knife to an inexpensive run of the mill factory knife? What the hell did you expect?
Curiosity is what drives comparison...how will they stack up. The schrade was overall pretty good considering...just a bummer that the tip broke off. I have plenty of comparisons that are apples to apples. But this was looking at things a little different.
@@outerlimitless OK
Seemed like an okay review. I won't go into the fan boi stuff like some of the comments...however, you are comparing a $35 knife to a heavily modified $140 knife that's been sharpened, stripped, and ground for the ferro strike. The Schrader also has a loop hole that you didn't use. Granted, the broken tip isn't good at all but you did do decent other comparisons. Out of the box new, before stripping and sharpening the Esee, I wonder how the whittling and feathering compares. I'm no huge knife guy, so I'm just actually curious. Seems both are pretty good. :)
I did more testing with the Schrade later on...it performed well...it's a beast and somewhat overbuilt with the thickness of the stock. I'm surprised the tip broke, but it wasn't too bad of a break in the grand scheme of things.
So other than the sketchy handle and lanyard, the fact that you had to modify the knife to even throw a spark, and that you've obviously sharpened the blade whereas the Schrade is factory stock sharpened... the esse is better or least it doesn't hurt your delicate hands.
The micarta on the Schrade isn't rough, your hands are soft.
Yayayaya, blah, blah... do me a favor...I couldn't hear you... please repeat yourself.
Agreed.. no callouses. Not like my hands.
get the tpe handles way better and doesnt hurt your hands.
Agree. Found that at least to be true for me.
Say Heah I always wonder why the large gap in price, Sure the Tempering plays big, But I somehow feel some companies buy recycled steel, Gold and a few precious metal don't loose their integrity, 1095 isn't one of them. I think that plays big. Yeah, I think Essee uses a better grade of 1095 and with its Tempering reflects in the price. I have a Fav. in that size. I was lucky to buy my Rodent 6 because it's no longer available, It might just be sold out, I dunno, I also modified it, I had it thinned down and at the apex so for a almost a 1/4" thick blade, it's a slicer and its still robust enough to chop great too, I also had the top guard taken off and now it look's like a Ratmandu on steroids. One of my Fav's in that blade size. And no, Mine feels great in my hand no matter how long I use it for, Because of having it thinned down, Another good thing happened the Saber Grind is a little higher, and that's great as I'm concerned, It's slices better and yet it baton's great too. All my friends that have a Essee 6 luv theirs, And if I didn't get my Modde Reader 6, I would of got the Essee. But I got lucky. On snowy trips, I go with a stainless, So my Fallkniven A-1 is what I like to use. If it's still a little wet my Black Rold is a good one in D2. But if I had to choose one knife, No question my Modde Rodent 6 would be it. Thanx for sharing your finding, I knew the Essee would come on top. Thanx.
Ya, like you I typically would carry the stainless in a snowey condition. I just got my hands on a Rold in D2, and I'll post a review eventually once I use it a bunch. The Swamp Rats have my attention, but I haven't been able to pull the trigger quite yet. I suspect that will eventually replace my esee.
Thanks for writing!
That's how I learn, One way is through communication, Don't get upset for my long posts
outer limitless I know this reply is a older one. But I have a Skookum Bush Tool in a 3V, and I luv it, It's defenetly one of my Fav. Bush Craft well Wood Craft in America. anyhow I got a Wet and Snowy version, I teamed it with one if my Fav. 6" blades for my wet and snowy conditions although it's a great all season use knife my Fallkniven A-1, I got a H-1 that resembles my Skoikum Bush Tool and I luv it. Yeah that Trailing Point style makes for great carver's/slicer's and yet the laminate blade insures a strong knife. But every time I see the Essee 6 being compared. I get very happy that I had my Rident 6 Modified . I had it thinned down from .265" to less than a 1/4". I also had the top guard taken off making it look like a Ratmandu on steriods which is one of my Fav. knives and I even have two in the INFI Steel. Yeah, I think Schrade uses inferior recycled steel, It's just my opinion because my friends that own them have had problem's with their's but the friend's with the Esee 6 didn't. This is not a first fail. Anyhow I'm so happy to have my Modde Rodent 6 that became one of my ALL TIME Fav's. ,, .
I had that same schrade. Big quarter sized chunk broke out while chopping. Its a good knife if you get one done right. Problem is they have poor quality control and you cant get a hold of anyone anout the warranty on the knife. I used mine once and it broke and was never able to grt it replaced. That esee has an unlimited no questions asked life time warranty, and better quality control
Haha, prefect. Yet read the rest of the comments and I'm a jerk for my knife breaking, right! I'm sorry but my Schrade experience didn't exactly instill confidence in me, but my ESEE still hammers away YEARS later!
@@outerlimitless exactly. I also forgot to mention that i was chopping a soft pine board at that
when i get a new knife,, if the edge isn't all screwed up, i strop it first,, then take it out for use,,
Do you strop it to get a convex on the edge or just to clean it up a bit?
@@outerlimitless just to clean it up,, most knives come shaving sharp, those i strop only when new, but the few ive gotten that needed a little touch up, i gently get the edge the way i like it,, then strop, but after use, i always strop after honing,, just to clean it up, i'm no knife smith,, so mt technique may not be to the knife snobs out theres liking
@@woofman4796 I prefer strop and ceramic rods...I almost never use diamond stones. The least aggressive method needed to get a serviceable edge!
@@outerlimitless yup,, i agree
I seen some guy destroy the "Leroy" schrade knife
I’ve heard a lot of great things about this knife. Just ordered it from amazon. Great price at around $47 with tax. Can’t wait to get it and try it out. Looks a lot like my Hogue ex f01 with the micarta handle at 1/4 of the price.
You will probably like it, but I can assure you it's not your Hogue EXF01...can't go wrong for the price though. Beat on the thing and see how you like it. I did some more testing after this video and it held up just fine. It's thick for sure...and has some decent weight to it.
outer limitless You’re right the steel is better on the Hogue but for the money it seems like a good bargain. Again can’t wait to get it and try it first hand.
1:30 in and all I can think is, should have beaten the Schrade up and kept the esee looking new. Just got the esee 6 and love that knife. Found an awesome leather sheath with scout carry straps on it for $34 on ebay. Sits nice on the belt, handle slopes down a bit. Almost a 6inch fixed blade and can hardly tell it's there. Drawn quick without getting caught in shirt. Great self defense or general use camp knife, due to flat grind profile. Takes a wicked edge as well. I would hate to mess up the finish and logo on it though. All kinds of 2nd kind of cool as Nutin would say.
Super annoyed...I responded to all my most recent comments, but stupid TH-cam Creator Studio ditched them. I'll be responding as I can...sorry!!
I wrote you a long detailed response to your comment, but TH-cam lost it on me. But basically I said, use the ESEE 6 and hammer on it...it will love you for it. I like my blades to be used and look used. It's my shinny blades that never get used because they don't perform or I don't like them. So if you like the ESEE, beat on it and enjoy the natural wear!
You make a very good point. Your Esee does look very nice!
I've never broke an esee, but i don't beat on them like i do my schrades because of the price. I have broke the tip off a 52, and broke the micarta handle on the 56l. Both times they had me email a pic and i had a new knife within a week
The problem is you paid shipping to replace it, right?
@@outerlimitless no sir
@@outerlimitless just email a pic and they ship out a new one. When i cracked the micarta handle they asked if i wanted the 56l with micarta again or the tpe handles. I chose the tpe and love them
@@justintraupel9468 wow, I'll tell you what... do you think my blade had enough tip damage to count as a claim? If so, I'll do a video specifically covering the warranty claim. I'm always interested in that type of topic
@@outerlimitless yes. Only a small part of the tip snapped off mine. They have the best warranty and customer service.
Do you have a cousin called Tac ?
I do, do you know him? How did you know he is my cousin?
@@outerlimitless the voices are almost identical
Ppl with working hands need that roughness
When the Schrade's first came out they were much better... The company was sold and the quality went down drastically. I have the sch36, Becker's, and Esee's... I've beat my schrade for years and it's still holding up...
Yes, when Schrade was still Taylor and not BTI it was better...it's been about 3 years since I've bought a Schrade, but I don't really know if I would at this point...hard to say.
Fair review of opinion on blade grinds and difference.out of fairness a hollow grind may have a better chance of breaking a tip but if being honest you hardly broke the tip and it was due to what looked like a glancing hit from a small baseball bat I have had many knives with all sorts of grinds tips break it happens even to the best and most expensive of knives . And before you say something like you get what you pay for it has nothing to do with it.i have knives I've paid upward to 200 for and knives of name brands like buck and Gil gibbons right down to a unlabeled China made Bowie and honestly I think you can find flaws in any blade if you look hard enough.the real truth is a blade is only truly as good as the tasks it's meant to do.not sure if any knife was ever really made for beat oh I mean batoning use lol but really price don't make or break the knife the user does . I watch your reviews and like your channel and I take your input seriously but people need to remember it your thoughts and feelings not law take what you see and form your own thoughts on a product.
Thanks for the comment...I did a follow up on the Schrade to test it further...the thing is a tank...almost indestructible. I put it thorough much more hard use than a knife should have to, and it performed flawlessly. The tip snapping was a fluke...and totally a serviceable repair.
it's a fair review. Schrade factory edge is ok at best but sharpens up quite nicely. I have the schf52 with tpe scales instead of micarta and there is no handle shock and my hand feels fine. I chopped down some trees in my yard with it and the only problem I had with the knife was because I was careless and hit some rocks when cutting the small trees close to the base. I had a buddy of mine use his ken onion worksharp to get a nice convex at around 20 degrees and the thing is a beast. My tip didn't break off. The thing that is so great about the schrade is the price. The esee sells for 100$ more than the schf52 so I would say the comparison is not exactly fair. The review was good, but you should try to compare something in the same price range.
i've had my 52m for over 8 years and wouldn't trade it for any other knife on the planet ; )
Schrade Frontier Fixed Blade SCHF38 j'enfonce des clous avec le plat de la lame quelques marques la poudre n'est pas partie ,jai un angle d'affutage de 24 degrés et je sait que je préfère le manche noir caoutchouc a du micarta ,j'ai rajouté deux plaquettes de 1 millimètres entre chaque plaquette pour rendre le manche un peu plus large et on peut regler l'étuis pour la grosseur de manche je voulais un esse 5 mais au prix meme si un jour il casse je reprendrai de shcrade ,il faut juste rabotter les cannelures sous le manches pour les mains fragile moi je les garde pour l'hiver avec des gants
The comparison here should be that there is no comparison; that’s like comparing an Oscar Meyer Weiner against a AAA Sirloin Steak ...NFG
There's no doubt this has been a polarizing video. Surprising how strongly people feel about both sides of the argument. That alone demonstrates how much of a comparison it actually is. It's not always about it being an equivalent product, rather about it sparking a discussion.
I love esee *BUT* that was barely a tip break on the schrade that wouldn't affect use and would quickly blend in after sharpening.
Since that video, I filmed another where I really abused that knife. It held up well and didn't break any further. The tip was a small break, but it's still a turnoff when I know the ESEE is trustworthy. But yes, you're right...it was a very small break.
Really ??
Your gonna take a 50 dollar knife and compare it with an esee ?!
Do me a favour .... esee fan boy likes to stack the odds in his favour I see 🤦♂️🤦♂️
I compare all sorts of stuff. What if I compared a Busse to an ESSE? Would the ESEE fans be crying? Booo hooo. Guess what. My channel, my video, my comparison. I described the scenario. I described the assumptions. I demonstrated my thoughts, and my beliefs...the pro's, the con's, what worked for both, and what didn't. Seeing as though my average view time is 6:01 on a 23 minute video, I would highly doubt you actually listened to what I said nor paid attention to the details enough to actually understand this video. And on top of that, I did a follow up where I beat the snot out of that Schrade to prove if it was tough enough to hold up...and it did...and it performed. And bottom line is, the Schrade still sucks in my opinion...I haven't picked it up in 3 full years...it's just taking up space. I'm not an ESEE fanboy. I just like good knives.
Hi outer limitless. If that Schrade is just taking up space, could you send it to me? I really like that knife and want one.
what a esee fanboy, why do comparison if you have biased opinion?
I just like what I like. I'm a fan of all kinds of different stuff...just because you watched one video doesn't mean you even have a clue about what I'm a fan of, what my opinions are. Talk to me once you've seen all my videos and tell me that I am biased. And biased is a word that has some truth to it...I am biased because of my experience with the blade...it has never let me down...not like the tip of this schrade breaking off instantaneously. But you're right...i'm biased. You sound like a pretty sharp fella...
I was pumped for that schrade...check out my first impression video and tell me that I'm so biased. th-cam.com/video/KhFOKzJd-oE/w-d-xo.html
john doe someones sad he cant afford an esee
keep...nice mature comment...you don't know his financial status....grow up.
Shrade is trash
@@JordanMac79 Yeah it's hard to find a high quality fixed blade. and a nice leather sheath for that matter. Justifier, 3 dog knives and CRK make awesome fixed blades when they're in stock
I like that you dedicated a good chunk of time to log stabbing. That's the one metric that so rarely gets covered but truly, it is one of the most important qualities in a survival knife.
Additionally, thank you for testing how well a knife chops with the grain into a log. Also very pertinent.
Lol
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I have many knives and the Schrade SCHF26 is a great knife and it is built like the one you have there and you may be just prejudiced by the Esee name.
I'm not stuck on ESEE by any means. The Schrade is a decent blade but the fact that the tip broke was not a good look!
@@outerlimitless I am sorry about that and it must have been the way it was tested before assembly by the people in China.
I did a follow up video with that same Schrade...it took a ton of hard use like a champion! There was no further damage and the knife was quite strong and also held a decent edge. I think the tip was over headed during grinding...it was only the very tip of the blade that had issues.
The Schrade has bad heat treatment some warped and some just snap.
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Nice man! Thanks for jumping aboard. Looks like you have a well established channel...great gear man!
thanks
You couldnt tell that's hollow ground? You're surprised the tip broke. You have muiltiple adds every 2 minutes? You think I'll subscribe?
No, that's ads every 4 minutes...and ads is one D and not two, for your educational purposes. And, yes I am surprised it broke...immediately. And yes, I can tell it's hollow ground...and NO, I truly could not care any less whether or not you subscribe. But thanks for watching!
Gota use tactical gloves with that knife good video
Ya, I think either a pair of tactical gloves, or softening the micarta by sanding it down a bit would make a difference. Thanks for watching!
If you buy one Esee you buy it for life. Break it and get a new one free. Who doesn’t love that?
Just as a point of interest, not trying to defend or have a dig at the Schrade or your testing. (I actually own one, which I paid for - and not personally overly impressed with the quality - though not lost the tip its not been worked hard either primarily due to my concerns on the quality). I think the tip on the knife tested broke during either the last point stab at (6:28) and not during the battoning. It just looks analysing the frames like it was broken either off screen (definitely not implying anything nefarious) or on that last stab. Thanks for the test. Awesome video. Also yeah I know its a 4 year old video, so who cares but its still a current knife so it might help those thinking of buying one. It's a shame as its kind of ticked most of the boxes I was looking for. Ironically the next knife I am looking at is either a Esee 6 or the BK-9 (no finger choil, which was on my check list). Trying to find one knife that has everything and good quality is a challenge for sure.
Ya, it broke in the tip testing... basically figured that out after the fact. All the work I've ever done with that knife has been filmed... there's no "off camera".
If you want a tick all the box option, check out my TFK T17. Totally customizable and built to compete with the ESEE 6 and BK7.
@@outerlimitless Wow I was not expecting to get a reply, especially this quickly - impressive and thank you. Yeah sorry, I used the wrong phrase, meant it could have been cut in editing. I didn't mean anything bad by that, I get you are trying to make an engaging video, and sometimes things get cut due to external noise etc. To be honest as an owner of that knife. I'm not surprised that yours broke though. In regards to the quality, the sharpness out of the box was pretty poor, but then I accept than can vary and its more import as to whether it will hold an edge. I've sharpened it a few times. I'm new so again, that may be down to me. I've seen good and bad reviews on that knife and others made by Schrade. I can't comment on the other knives, mine is one with the non-micarda handles (TPE? I think), handles so have not caused issues so for this knife I'm glad I went with them. For me the knife was a good learning exercise. I certainly have a better insight into what I want to look for in further knives. I also own a Mora Black - for the money that I have to say is pretty awesome. Never had to sharpen it yet, sharp out of the packaging. Now if only Mora did a knife with the features and size of the Schrade 52/Esee 6, finger choil, high carbon steel - and full tang too (though can't really say that's ever been a problem on the Black) :D Oh the do make a full tang (Garberg) but I'd like something larger.
Your opinion seems a little bias but the Esee is a superior knife. I have Becker knives and Schrade knives. The Beckers have superior edge retention and heat treat. I'm sure the Esees do as well. Good video.
I didn't intend for it to come off as bias...the biggest let down was the blade tip breaking almost immediately. If that didn't happen, it would have been a totally different video. I was caught by surprise for sure. I have another video where I pretty well punish the schrade and it took it like a champ. It's definitely a tough blade...just ultimately doesn't compare to the ESEE. Thanks for watching!
outer limitless Absolutely no disrespect intended. Excellent comparison. Great video.
really...stabbing into a block of wood?
I broke my shrade off at the handle first time battoning, shrade knife company stood behind the product issuing me a new one also stated some of the earlier blades had this " brittle" problem. The replacement knife has since battoned cords of wood now without incident logs up to 8" in diameter, but I still like the esse 6 better, just feels right in the hand.
Jack son
the biggest problem I have is that I had to pay the shipping back to schrade for a replacement...but that would have added another $10 to a $40 knife. I figured I'd just keep it as it is and I'll custom grind it and use it more carefully.
Rather have the 52m for taking a tree down.
Yeah, a little more heft for sure on the 52...I guess it depends on the scenario and the size of the tree. The micarta on the 52m will destroy my hands...I find it very uncomfortable.
Schrade has awesome customer service and an awesome warranty. Email them a pic of that 52 and you'll have a new one within a week. You don't have to send the blade in like esee and other companies require you to do
Before the video even started , I already knew the answer .
I just did a video on the SCHF52 .
It is a bit different from yours .
Different handle for sure but I wonder if the blade is being treated differently.
I did the torture test ( on and off camera), and the knife actually still looks new ( some minor marks on the spine from baton - I could clean that up but I think it just adds character).
I am pleasantly surprised of how well this ( as of November 2019 ) knife performs .
If I could change one thing , it would be the sheath ( on this particular knife I prefer Kydex so I’m going to hopefully acquire soon ).
Now my big dilemma is : For Christmas, do I wish to have the ESSE 5 or 6 ????
I just subscribed to your channel .
I enjoy talking Knives .
You are invited to my channel as well .
Having a lot of fun “ Show and Tell “ haha .
Stay Safe as Always ❤️🤠🔪
I'll hope on your channel tonight...I'm curious to see your results!
I think the reason it broke was you were hitting it with a baseball bat.
You gotta toughen those hands up, I absolutely love Micarta
I love micarta too...
Sounds like yer pre sold on the esee. Whoopee. Pay 5 times more for not much.
The rubber handle is better on the Schrade. Very comfortable
Good point actually...I should get the rubber handle version to try it...I bet you're right. The Schrade micarta is brutally rough!
@@outerlimitless I can't speak for the micarta but I fully recommend the rubber scales. One of my favourite knives 👌
Only thing I find the schrade 52m good for is chopping. It's not a good batoner for the harder woods. The handle has a lot of shock also. The blade is too thick for most bushcraft work. It's also hard to get a super sharp edge with it because the edge is so thick. I would pick the Esse any day. Or even the Ontario Marine Raider which is cheaper and better at every bushcraft task.
I need to put some time into this schrade to try to get it back to acceptable...I bet it would take a while, but it would be a good test to see what angle works better for this blade. I think going more to 20 deg or even less might help, but then will it chip? Hard to say...some sanding on the edges of the scales might help too to soften things out.
@@outerlimitless I might try to put a thinner edge on it too. It's Definetly a strong blade. I have done a lot of chopping with it and had no chips. I usually end up using something else Though. Like my marine raider, bk9, or camp 10.
For the price difference, the Schrade is way better….Shrade 52 with no m is tpm…rubber…options people….
Tip on my 52 broke off in the EXACT same place before I even got it out of the house... Schrade needs to check the QC on this run..
I'll be moving up to ESEE from now on... the Schrade is unacceptable at any price... at the very least I will stick with their Taiwan-made products like the 42 and 42D
wow, that really sucks. it could have been a great blade. I'm hearing from a bunch of people that they had trouble. what a bummer! damn schrade!
Lol you rounded that tip
Haha, yeah...just a bit!!
My Scherade 51 is the junior version of the 52 I've had it for a long time I beat the hell out of it on a daily basis I sharpen it put oil on it and it's served me really well for a very long time sorry man I'm with schrade brother esi's cost too much
I'm not much of a budget buyer in general, but I do appreciate the Schrades...just wish the dip didn't break!
How long have you had the Schrade, they're not made like they used to be
@@xpusostomos the new ones are legit for sure they stand tall next to really expensive knives
@@niks983 do the new ones have the original flat grind, or the inferior hollow grind?
@@xpusostomos it's a hollow but honestly I think the geometry is great. For 38 bucks delivered to the door it's definitely a steal. I got the 51 and have now ordered the 52.
I'm no knife Smith by any means but I can tell junk from good. I've been doing everything with it and it holds a good edge.
Thks for the info I live in Trinidad and Tobago in the Caribbean and our exchange rate is $6:75 TT to p $1:00 us
Oh wow...do you have access to have these blades shipped to you?
I've been a cold steel user and collector since 1987. Then Camillus fell thru and they started having a few knives made in China...BANG...problems incoming. I picked up a couple of ESEEs during my period of disgust before CS moved those models production to Taiwan. I have to say that IMHE, if anything comes close to the old school Carbon V performance, it's ESEE. Love their knives. Everything you want and not much you don't. I've seen a ton of Schrade video reviews where the VERY TIP seems to be snapping off at the slightest provocation now. I think they're getting the tip TOO HOT and screwing up the temper when doing factory edges on the belts or wheels.I would say that MAY BE part of the whole mess with Chris Tanners experience too. Not ALL OF IT, just part. I would also add that if you RETIP that knife, or have it retipped professionally, it might never snap off again, because the weakened steel has been removed. Just a theory. There's a lot to be weighed, and it's a very interesting turn of events for those of us who are steel heads! Good review.
Thanks...yeah, you know that's an interesting point about if they overheat just the tip while machining. Seems like the JessX was worse off then some of the other Schrade models. Mine is actually pretty tough...I did some thorough testing and it's fine...was just that little tip damage. I will likely do a video on a re-profile and tip test at some point.
Thanks for writing.