I find it easy to play C# to B by first laying the pinky flat on both keys (this produces the C# with a miniscule tone difference), and then releasing the C# key by curling the pinky. The reverse applies for the B-C# move. I also play the guitar, and the move is similar to playing temporary double stops on adjacent strings.
I just noticed this end of Nov. after playing the bari since September. I posted this tip on the sax school FB group. Having a baritone has made me a better tenor player. For example, every song guitar players love to play in E, instead of me playing in F# on tenor, now I have to play in C# on bari. As I keep working the low register on the bari, I’m really working the left and right pinkies on the tables. What I rediscovered is that any key on the left table will get you a G#. Not just the G# key. So, in the key of C#, G# is the fifth, so if you are going to scale or arpeggio down in C#, it’s nice to use the right pinkie to hold down the C# key for your G#. Then you are ready to hit that low C# and it doesn’t interfere with the other notes on the way down. You can go down C#, G#, F, low C# with less fuss. Also, it seems like the low C# is more reliable if the left hand table key is already in place. Similarly with low B or Bb. I play “Help the Poor” in our set list on bari. Bm for bari. I end each section and the finale with a run down to low B. B, A, F#, F nat, E, D, B. I get that left pinky on the B key early before the low C key closes and it works out well.
Excellent! My guitar teacher taught me the grease tip to reduce string slide noise. Works great! Forehead grease works well too (& no-one thinks you're picking your nose)!
This is pure gold, Jamie! - my hands are quite small and low Bb has been a trial. I haven't seen any advice about the 'rollers' to date and didn't know they existed for a purpose. Can't wait to try this out. Another tricky one - is there any way to avoid fingers sticking up when using the palm keys? It just seems so awkward... Many thanks for these tips, absolutely an insight into pro ways! :)
@@GetYourSaxTogether This is a great recommendation, Jamie - I bought some palm key risers and also for the side keys and it is much more comfortable, as well as easier to locate when playing, allowing the fingers to bend naturally rather than end up too straight. Thank you so much for the tip - they are the Protec ones (models A351 and A352) and don't spoil the look of the keys either, wonderful!
Thanks for the tips. Power to the pinkie. You shouldn't call it a "momentary" beaver paw, you should call it an "accidental" :) Anyway, I was looking at this problem the other day, basically getting to low B from one of the other low notes, and I found to my complete surprise that if I press the G# key instead, I get a low B. I have a Yanagisawa Baritone sax and a friend tried it on his Yanagisawa Soprano sax and it didn't work for him. I wonder if this is a bari-only feature. I like the grease-up tip. I wonder if a touch of cork grease would work better if you apply it before playing. Thanks again
The dreaded C# to B transition. Couldn’t for the life of me figure this one out as my pinky would jam as you mentioned. I knew the grease trick some players use on the reed at the end of a session to transform the reed into anything but wood, but didn’t know about using it to lube up the pinky. If only the real world knew the sacrifices we saxophonists make for their listening pleasure…….Uh, on second thought, maybe not. 😂 Awesome video! Been struggling with this. Thanks, Jamie.
Nice job. I have 2 more: 1) If your improvising think ahead with regards to these pinnings and other techniques. Flying by the seat of your pants improv often results in sloppiness or lack of intent. 2) Another way of going from B to Bb is to position your pinky on the roller with the Bb slightly depressed. Then it’s just a subtle scooting motion to get the Bb down. This is all depending on how your horn is set up. If anyone has any tricks for RH pinky let me know. I’ve got some tension there that I’ve been working on lately. Thanks again!
Thanks for another great video. There’s one more technique I use where you use the side of your pinkie when you go from B to Bb and back again. Using the rollers you use the edge of your pinkie and don’t fully commit to Bb.
lol, Wally Wallace. Your name came up in a recent (good natured) online exchange I had with him. He's a fan! (mostly 😁) . Regarding your "G# can be played with any of the other pinky keys", I discovered that by accident about a week ago! It actually came up in "Walkin' Shoes". There is a triplet sequence like this: E#,F#,G#. E#,F#,G# that ends on a low C#. You can finger C# through the whole thing. I think, during practice, I forgot to lift my C# while trying to coordinate it all, and the G# still sounded properly. And i thought, "oh so that's why it's all connected down there!"
Jamie, I've checked your merchandise site and I can't seem to find any bottles of "Jamie's Magic Nose Oil". You're probably already sold out, so let us know when that's available. 😆
Well, this was a very well-timed lesson. Has stopped me in my tracks with a bad habit I was developing. Had got #C but my technique meant I was creating problems for moving further down the scale. Many thanks (again!!).
Great video. Love the greased pinkie tip. I play the flute so knew it, but was gratified to hear you mention it and give a nod to flautists😁. Do you do private lessons by the way?
Hi Jamie - I was hoping this would help my poor pinky performance but they have been scarred from previous surgeries (both hands to - ugh!) I can't do the C# to Bb transition because it won't bend far enough, so I'll stick to what I've been doing. Oh BTW: The nose grease is an old time tradecraft secret too. It's good for a quick grease to anything that may be sticking/making noise (like a latch on a door, etc.) My dad taught me that ages ago. It's a great tip for everyone!
Thanks Jamie, my little pinkie is actually broken and i can’t straighten it out, it is the shape you made when playing the b flat, so i really struggle with those notes, g# is fine and i can make b and c# but b flat is out of my range, luckily i’ve never has to play one in any of the songs i’ve played, maybe one day though. I’ll try flicking the wrist and see if that helps
I must admit (playing for about 4 years) I've not found much music that uses the low B or Bb so if ever anything came up with it, then I'd have to give it some thought. Even low C# makes me have to think, I think the only piece of music that I regularly play with that is the theme to the Godfather. Even worse is the high F#!
What a great lesson! Is there a right-hand version? Eb to low C# or C is a bit of a beggar for me. Beaver-paws! Love that! Nose-grease, though? Grossss!
Thanks Jamie! Great tips! I sort of knew them by intuition… great to have them clear like this! Q: About the 4 ways of G#, Any specific practice tips on how to get them really implemented in you’re playing? Get them under you’re finger sort of..?
Great method that looks like it will work with practice (like everything else)! But, to bis or not to bis, that is the question. I have been working etudes (your fast finger exercise is great) and find myself trying to decide which fingering for Bb is better, particularly when playing in the key of Eb. In that case going from Ab to Bb to C quickly is problematic. The bis key seems more economical in that case, but is difficult to move cleanly through from Ab to C. But, the side key Bb adds another key to get in the way of precise articulation. What do you think?
The outtake says it all... You did reveal one thing I NEVER heard or thought of, nose grease. And I even know flute players... Guess I don't know the right flute players... Great lesson. Now all we need is a really cool riff using them to create a Mario Lick type challenge. Hahaha...
When I purchased a Yamaha 62iii saxophone the low B natural key was raised quite a bit higher than the C#, is that common on saxophones? It made moving from C# to B natural difficult. I had it lowered and with some practice it’s much more manageable.
Just letting you know that I dobbed on you to Dr Jason "Wally" Wallace. PS: Is Dr Wally REALLY a Doctor? because he claimed in his recent video that the BIS key was invented by a small man in New Zealand named Donald Bizbee Buzzington! Some say he's making things up as he goes ie: improvising the facts and truths. PS: You two should record TH-cam videos together. Cross market this niche market here. Thanks for all your great videos and hard work creating them all.
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I find it easy to play C# to B by first laying the pinky flat on both keys (this produces the C# with a miniscule tone difference), and then releasing the C# key by curling the pinky. The reverse applies for the B-C# move. I also play the guitar, and the move is similar to playing temporary double stops on adjacent strings.
I’ll check that out.
I just noticed this end of Nov. after playing the bari since September. I posted this tip on the sax school FB group.
Having a baritone has made me a better tenor player.
For example, every song guitar players love to play in E, instead of me playing in F# on tenor, now I have to play in C# on bari. As I keep working the low register on the bari, I’m really working the left and right pinkies on the tables. What I rediscovered is that any key on the left table will get you a G#. Not just the G# key. So, in the key of C#, G# is the fifth, so if you are going to scale or arpeggio down in C#, it’s nice to use the right pinkie to hold down the C# key for your G#. Then you are ready to hit that low C# and it doesn’t interfere with the other notes on the way down. You can go down C#, G#, F, low C# with less fuss. Also, it seems like the low C# is more reliable if the left hand table key is already in place.
Similarly with low B or Bb. I play “Help the Poor” in our set list on bari. Bm for bari. I end each section and the finale with a run down to low B. B, A, F#, F nat, E, D, B. I get that left pinky on the B key early before the low C key closes and it works out well.
Yup, all very true!
As a sax repair guy, I use to setup the C# slightly higher than B which makes the transition from C# to B a lot easier.
But, then the transition from B to C# is a hurdle ...
@@GetYourSaxTogether No, B to C# feels very natural, just pull the finger a little back. Only Bb to C# may get a little awkward..
@@VenhaVe 👍🏻
The English language is awesome. In Britain you have sax-off-en- est. In America we have sax-o-phon-est, and yet we play the same instrument
I know, right!
An oldie but goodie thanks Jamie! Life saver - I have a passage C# to Bb to B, which was driving me nuts :)
No worries!
Excellent tutorial (as always). Thanks Jamie
My pleasure!
Great video. These tips will certainly speed up my playing.
Awesome!
Excellent! My guitar teacher taught me the grease tip to reduce string slide noise. Works great! Forehead grease works well too (& no-one thinks you're picking your nose)!
True!
Great tips. Those table keys have always been my nemesis. Thanks!!!
Glad to help!
@@GetYourSaxTogether And, finally, a use for nose grease!!
Like a breath of fresh air! Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Been a problem for many years. Only recently have I become aware of these solutions. Very helpful and great advice!
Glad it helped!
Beaver Paws!!! LOVE it! Great lesson, as always Jamie! My 1st classical teacher taught me the "nose grease" tip. Man, it really works!
Thanks Wally :-)
Fantabulous as always ....
Thanks 🙏🏻
This is pure gold, Jamie! - my hands are quite small and low Bb has been a trial. I haven't seen any advice about the 'rollers' to date and didn't know they existed for a purpose. Can't wait to try this out. Another tricky one - is there any way to avoid fingers sticking up when using the palm keys? It just seems so awkward... Many thanks for these tips, absolutely an insight into pro ways! :)
I'll do a video on the palm keys at some point. If your fingers stick up, the keys need to be raised. You can get palm key risers on amazon.
@@GetYourSaxTogether This is a great recommendation, Jamie - I bought some palm key risers and also for the side keys and it is much more comfortable, as well as easier to locate when playing, allowing the fingers to bend naturally rather than end up too straight. Thank you so much for the tip - they are the Protec ones (models A351 and A352) and don't spoil the look of the keys either, wonderful!
Thanks for the tips. Power to the pinkie.
You shouldn't call it a "momentary" beaver paw, you should call it an "accidental" :) Anyway, I was looking at this problem the other day, basically getting to low B from one of the other low notes, and I found to my complete surprise that if I press the G# key instead, I get a low B. I have a Yanagisawa Baritone sax and a friend tried it on his Yanagisawa Soprano sax and it didn't work for him. I wonder if this is a bari-only feature.
I like the grease-up tip. I wonder if a touch of cork grease would work better if you apply it before playing.
Thanks again
It’s normally the other way around- the B key will give you the G#.
@@GetYourSaxTogether Interesting. Maybe it's unique to my sax :) Not complaining though, an easier way to get B is always welcome.
Many thanks! I 've been playing for three years without knowing that G# trick!
Nice!
What a set of brilliant set of manovers😎 Thankyou.
😎
Oh wow! This is going to really help the Bari playing! Finding out that all FOUR keys produce a Gshp! Going to try out some tricky passages right now!
Cool!
I like the bloopers at the end of your videos! It brings you close to us, mere mortals! 😅
It's hard for everyone!
Very valuable information. Thank you.
You’re welcome ☺️
Love the outtakes, makes me feel human.
It's hard for everyone!
Excellent tips!
Thanks!
The dreaded C# to B transition. Couldn’t for the life of me figure this one out as my pinky would jam as you mentioned. I knew the grease trick some players use on the reed at the end of a session to transform the reed into anything but wood, but didn’t know about using it to lube up the pinky. If only the real world knew the sacrifices we saxophonists make for their listening pleasure…….Uh, on second thought, maybe not. 😂 Awesome video! Been struggling with this. Thanks, Jamie.
You're very welcome!
Nice job. I have 2 more:
1) If your improvising think ahead with regards to these pinnings and other techniques. Flying by the seat of your pants improv often results in sloppiness or lack of intent.
2) Another way of going from B to Bb is to position your pinky on the roller with the Bb slightly depressed. Then it’s just a subtle scooting motion to get the Bb down. This is all depending on how your horn is set up.
If anyone has any tricks for RH pinky let me know. I’ve got some tension there that I’ve been working on lately. Thanks again!
Great, thanks Ron!
Top stuff...you da man
Ta!
Before playing, one should always wolf down a peperoni pizza with extra cheese to guarantee a copious supply of nose grease. It's what the pros do.
You know it! 🤣
Great tips!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Beavers and chickens and grease, oh my. I use the nose/face grease on my neck joint, too!
Nice one!
These tips are great. :)
Thanks 🙏🏻
Well worth a coffee. Thanks Jamie.
Many thank Pat :-)
Thanks for another great video. There’s one more technique I use where you use the side of your pinkie when you go from B to Bb and back again. Using the rollers you use the edge of your pinkie and don’t fully commit to Bb.
Nice tip!
lol, Wally Wallace. Your name came up in a recent (good natured) online exchange I had with him. He's a fan! (mostly 😁) .
Regarding your "G# can be played with any of the other pinky keys", I discovered that by accident about a week ago! It actually came up in "Walkin' Shoes". There is a triplet sequence like this: E#,F#,G#. E#,F#,G# that ends on a low C#. You can finger C# through the whole thing. I think, during practice, I forgot to lift my C# while trying to coordinate it all, and the G# still sounded properly. And i thought, "oh so that's why it's all connected down there!"
A great accidental discovery Bruce!
Oh man, You are really generous. Thank You so much for all your tips and great lessons! God bless
You're very welcome.
The Roland Aerophone doesn't have the rollers, but the other ideas are certainly worth a try. Thanks.
You're welcome.
Tips I can actually use. Thanks Jamie!
You're very welcome.
Another Jewel Jamie ! 💎🎷
MErci.
Super for the tip how to use the pinked👍👍👍
You’re welcome
Jamie, I've checked your merchandise site and I can't seem to find any bottles of "Jamie's Magic Nose Oil". You're probably already sold out, so let us know when that's available. 😆
Thats because he calls it Anderson's Amazing Snout Lube!
lol
Working on it! lol
You’re awesome, man. I couldn’t have enjoyed it more!
Thanks 🙏🏻
Very helpful tips, which you explained very clearly. Thanks!
Anytime. 😎
Great tips, Jamie! I've come from a classical clarinet background and rollers have always scared the hell out of me.
lol You're welcome.
I struggled for years with this pinky-problem .... this is incredibly valuable !l thank you very much
Anytime!
If the last joint of the pinky can hyperextend easily you can minimise the need for arm movement.
Good point.
Wow!
🙏
Great tips, thanks
Thank you!
Cool stuff, Jamie. Excellent value as always.
Many thanks Grant 🙏🏻
Very useful!
Glad to hear it
Well, this was a very well-timed lesson. Has stopped me in my tracks with a bad habit I was developing. Had got #C but my technique meant I was creating problems for moving further down the scale. Many thanks (again!!).
Glad it helped Alison!
Great advice again Jamie.
Thanks!
Very very very useful !
Happy to help!
Great video!
Thank you Edward!!
Great tips, thanks Jamie, I always struggle with my little finger
Happy to help!
Great video. Love the greased pinkie tip. I play the flute so knew it, but was gratified to hear you mention it and give a nod to flautists😁.
Do you do private lessons by the way?
Glad it was helpful Chris! Yes I do give private lessons you can find all the info here. www.getyoursaxtogether.com/teaching
Hi Jamie - I was hoping this would help my poor pinky performance but they have been scarred from previous surgeries (both hands to - ugh!) I can't do the C# to Bb transition because it won't bend far enough, so I'll stick to what I've been doing.
Oh BTW: The nose grease is an old time tradecraft secret too. It's good for a quick grease to anything that may be sticking/making noise (like a latch on a door, etc.) My dad taught me that ages ago. It's a great tip for everyone!
Thanks Bob
Thanks Jamie, my little pinkie is actually broken and i can’t straighten it out, it is the shape you made when playing the b flat, so i really struggle with those notes, g# is fine and i can make b and c# but b flat is out of my range, luckily i’ve never has to play one in any of the songs i’ve played, maybe one day though. I’ll try flicking the wrist and see if that helps
Wow. There you go. Individual concerns!!
Great video. Thanks very much.
You're welcome.
I must admit (playing for about 4 years) I've not found much music that uses the low B or Bb so if ever anything came up with it, then I'd have to give it some thought. Even low C# makes me have to think, I think the only piece of music that I regularly play with that is the theme to the Godfather. Even worse is the high F#!
For sure.
What a great lesson! Is there a right-hand version? Eb to low C# or C is a bit of a beggar for me. Beaver-paws! Love that! Nose-grease, though? Grossss!
Hey, it's on your skin 24/7, might as well use it!
Thanks Jamie! Great tips! I sort of knew them by intuition… great to have them clear like this! Q: About the 4 ways of G#, Any specific practice tips on how to get them really implemented in you’re playing? Get them under you’re finger sort of..?
you only need those alternate G# fingerings if you have to go down to one of the low notes from a G#.
Great method that looks like it will work with practice (like everything else)! But, to bis or not to bis, that is the question. I have been working etudes (your fast finger exercise is great) and find myself trying to decide which fingering for Bb is better, particularly when playing in the key of Eb. In that case going from Ab to Bb to C quickly is problematic. The bis key seems more economical in that case, but is difficult to move cleanly through from Ab to C. But, the side key Bb adds another key to get in the way of precise articulation. What do you think?
I always use bis unless I'm moving from B to Bb or Bb to B.
Great tips. I struggle here. Pinky Empowered now. Well maybe. Pinky practice.
Nice one Peter.
The outtake says it all... You did reveal one thing I NEVER heard or thought of, nose grease. And I even know flute players... Guess I don't know the right flute players... Great lesson. Now all we need is a really cool riff using them to create a Mario Lick type challenge. Hahaha...
It's a clarinet player thing too.
Yeh, low notes are hard for everyone!
Nice tips. (-- My sax doesn't have the G# connection to the other table keys.)
Yeh, should have mentioned that.
Oh wow the grease on the pinky is honestly the first time i'm hearing of such a tip! Sounds pretty gross but whatever works hahaha!
Yup, it works!
When I purchased a Yamaha 62iii saxophone the low B natural key was raised quite a bit higher than the C#, is that common on saxophones? It made moving from C# to B natural difficult. I had it lowered and with some practice it’s much more manageable.
I think it depends on the sax
Just letting you know that I dobbed on you to Dr Jason "Wally" Wallace. PS: Is Dr Wally REALLY a Doctor? because he claimed in his recent video that the BIS key was invented by a small man in New Zealand named Donald Bizbee Buzzington! Some say he's making things up as he goes ie: improvising the facts and truths. PS: You two should record TH-cam videos together. Cross market this niche market here. Thanks for all your great videos and hard work creating them all.
we're good buddies! Just MIGHT be doing a video together ;-)
It seems as if it would be easier to move about without the rollers. For me, they act more like roadblocks 🙂
Maybe your horn needs some adjustments?
Qué lástima que los videos no están subtitulados ....
don't speak Spanish.
By the heck @Jamie your Sax is a bit rattly !!
I know, right!