RIP Dean Stockwell. Haven't seen him in anything for awhile but in everything I'd seen he always played interesting characters... Al will always be my favourite role of his.
Ty needs to do a top five Babylon 5 episodes. I’d love to see his opinion on that and Wess’s opinion on the acting in that series since it was really well acted
@@daveannarino7892 I agree 100%. I think a star fury Aurora would fit in the expanse well. Just change the pulse cannon for Gatling guns and it would cross over
2:55 there is an episode of Stargate SG-1 where it is discovered that Col. O'Neill had been sharing his consciousness with Dan Castellaneta's character (civilian/nondescript) for YEARS, but kept it to himself because he didn't know it was real (due to shared contact with alien tech) & he didn't want to fail a psych evaluation😂😂😂
FAN #7 Here: 1) Ty a great quote, "Height can't Act ! " ....................... 2) Scott Bakula got lots of praise for taking on "body-roles" that were female, or monority, etc. His acting, delivery was so great that the audience forgot who was saying the lines.
The Quantum Leap episode “Catch a Falling Star” was partially filmed in the old Embassy Hotel theater in downtown LA when I was living there as a USC student (it was owned by the university). The day that episode was filmed I decided to ditch my Physics lecture and lab in hopes of seeing Scott Bakula. I didn’t see him but enjoyed watching all the “stuff” that goes on when filming a show. Before Ty & That Guy it was the only real behind the scenes insight I had ever had. Thanks for bringing back that fun memory with your show and keep sharing!
Can you guys please find a way to get Clinton Shorter on a future episode of Ty and That Guy? I love the scores to the show, and would love to hear Clinton's insights into composing The Expanse's theme and epic music. Thank you both in advance. Fucking LOVE the podcast. 🙏🏻🖤
YES please! I also expressed that wish a few times now. The music, both, score and in universe music, is so well done it placed, and deserves to be in the spotlight more
The Quantum Leap Lee Harvey Oswald episodes were so good. JFK still died at the end, but they realized that he was actually there to save Jackie Kennedy Onassis.
No matter how many times I watch it, the scene leading up to and including the Roci crossing the ring is some of the most tense TV I've ever seen. White-knuckled every time. Just very, very well done. And the shot of Miller in front of the door is the most iconic image from the series.
I can't believe Wes forgot about the episode of Quantum Leap where Sam leaped into the body of John McClane & had to defend Nakatomi Plaza from a group of terrorists. I believe it was a Christmas episode... ;) ;)
Never saw quantum leap but it did remind me a bit of the sci-Fi show Sliders where a team of people slip through different dimensions / alternate worlds, and try to find their way back to their home dimension.
Oh wow as a 80s kid Quantum Leap is one of my favorite shows of all time. It's been a long time since I rewatched but I remember vividly most of the ones you guys mentioned. I'm gonna have to see if there's somewhere to watch the show these days. I seem to remember a handful were missing last time I went through it though.
This entire ep was a trip! As a note of trivia: the network decided to abruptly end the series. The finale was done in such haste, they misspelled Sam Beckett's last name in the title card!
Love the wholesome Quantum Leap discussion. Wes really nailed how brutal those ending title cards were for the finale. Ty defiled the subject matter. But only slightly.
If The Expanse is truly over after this season, I'd love to see some of the talent behind the show (especially art/effects) gets hired to work on the Babylon 5 reboot. While I'm very wary of reboots, B5 had a very small budget and could never really pull off the promise of its premise. Even with that handicap was still an incredible story.
It's probably best to open a question on their website. I don't know if they are going to answer some more (they did that in the past) but I submitted one the other day and really hope to get that answered too
I love that they talk about how they do cliffhangers. I HATE shmuck cliffhangers. Shows that do that always pissed me off and I even stopped watching shows that did that too much.
If Wes or someone reads the comments, I had nearly forgotten the evil leaper but what I NEVER forgot was the Halloween ep where Al is being impersonated the whole ep until the end when Al finally gets through/shows up and they're standing there with the imposter. Possibly thought to be the devil. :O
@@PHDiaz-vv7yo Al wasn't the goat as I remember but in the series of calamities threatening Sam and his leap's wife/girlfriend I remember a goat pulling on a ladder
the 3 big things I remember, fake Al leading Sam astray, how creepy the Al next to Al confrontation was played, and historical punch line at the end identifying a teenager the Halloween loving couple were friends with as being "Stevie" King
Is there a podcast episode or any video where Ty, Daniel, or Naren explain why they've done the big changes from the book to the show? I'm on the fourth book and I'm very interested in knowing what they think about some of the big ones, especially with the third book (fourth one, maybe, but I kind of get the gender swap and characters' omissions). They've nailed it so far with many things they've adapted, specially writing stuff for Chrisjen and Bobby to do and "creating" some of the best characters in the show like TV Ashford and TV Drummer, but I'm interested in the process of ditching Book Bull, for example, and some other characters and plots that seemed interesting to develop, but decided not to. It must've been difficult.
Oh yes! The cliffhangers on this show are brutal, but brutally good. Always so much fun to watch reactors roll their eyes and debate if they can still squeeze in the next episode. Hallmark of getting it right
I genuinely thought the top 5 was going to be invisible friends, as Wes mentioned there’s quite a few great ones. If this list ever happens, I’d include the movie “Heart and Souls”, with Robert Downey Junior being brought up by a bunch of ghosts. And Scorpius from Farscape, being the sinister enemy in John’s head… becoming frenemies as the show went on.
Have either of you watched "Sliders" back in the 1990's? I have a feeling you'd like that. College-age super genius creates a device that can send him into an alternate reality. Him, his girlfriend, Professor and some random passerby get stuck traveling between realities trying to find their own. They find a world where the Soviets took over... one where the Egyptian empire never died out... one where there was an ice age..... really fun concept. It got a little.... rough in the later seasons though :/
#42 reporting for EAR Duty! bring on that Sci Fi cochlear candy!!! daddy needs to work with some satisfying banter to get me though the doldrums of remote sensing work.
What I wanna know is, did Clarissa pay the legatos fees for the Rocinante to gain access to the crew in order to plant the fake message and disable the Roci?
Of all the shows to reboot, Quantum Leap ought to be right up there. Imagine it today, you'd have all sorts of 80's and 90's nostalgia and people would be into it. You guys should call up Noren and write that, I'd watch the hell out of a rebooted Quantum Leap.
Oh yeah!!! Schmuckbait! Who remembers Jack Bauer “getting killed” in a torture scene in an hour of season 2 of 24. After the nuke went off and they basically had to fill the next 8 hours
In terms of uplifting shows, I think that's why everyone is so head over heels for Ted Lasso. And rightly so, it's really wonderful. But people are starved for content that feels wholesome
Uplifting modern series: The Good Place Hotel del Luna There are more but here are 2 where people evolve spiritually after death and improve their prospects for a happy afterlife or reincarnation.
Quantum Leap is taking over this comment section. It's a show I haven't thought about in years, but it really had a huge cultural impact didn't it. I can't believe I remember almost every single episode you talked about!
I remember BG going back in time to second world war, some were on the Allied side, but their best scientist was on the Nazi's side because they were the side that were most technologically advanced and the most likely to advance enough to fight the cylons.
The finale of Quantum Leap was heartbreaking and it didn't bother me that Sam kept going on and helping people. The other episode where he jumps into himself as a teenager to try to keep his brother alive and sung Imagine was incredible and heartbreaking as well.
Godammit .... am I gonna have to do a Quantum Leap rewatch now? It's probably been a decade or more for me. Maybe Clint and Wes start a Quantum Leap rewatch podcast so I can follow along?
Americans in the 1980s: "Speaking 7 languages is impressive. Only someone with an IQ of 275 could do that." European teenagers: "1,2,3,... yeah, I got nine."
finally caught up with all the episodes. I love Quantum Leap so much but that ending irks me. Felt like a punishment for Sam "breaking the rules" to save Al's private life. Didn't feel like he chose to keep jumping, rather that he disappeared paradoxically
🎶 It's been a long road, gettin from there to here ... it's been a long time, but my time is finally here....🎶🖖 PS, no more lists where Ty can't participate in the list. (As much as I love Clint.)
Do you guys no of any other authors creating a movie or series from a rpg they ran w friends? Super amazing that expanse came from a rpg you created an ran w friends of yours~ I’ve been a part of some amazing campaigns created by the dungeon master and players~ One of which would b an amazing movie~
Raymond Feist, the author of the Riftwar series, used the world created in a tabletop group w his friends as his world for his excellent series of novels. Not quite the same as creating a game, but in a similar vein.
Hey, number 3 here. The whole "deep fake " subplot is kinda making me doubt future technology in Expense . Because people would make systems to detect stuff like that in order to keep believing newsfeed at all in my opinion. Something like instant to unravel the fake video on a fly. And since it wasn't explained indepth I'm still only 99% invested in this story line. Anyway, thanks for continuous entertainment, cheers.
Yes, if they can’t tell what is fake, than the Erinwright video from earlier in the season is not proving anything My take is, there is a way to find that this Holden video is fake but it going to take time and is much easier to shoot each other instead
the cliffhangers you describe is less of a "what does it mean" and more of a "Why is that happening?" so it's still "What's gonna happen" but it's asking why and still wondering what will happen. so ... your cliffhangers have barely one extra layer lol
Ty definitely didn't describe "deep fakes" very well... It uses AI to go through thousands of photos of a person(usually an actor), and then it places the appropriate photo that matches the lighting and angle to place over an already recorded video of a a person, to just replace the face over whomever's face was there before. So the body and background and everything is from the original shot, and there is no CG involved because it's just still photos replacing individual frames of the video.
@@wavion2 I think it was an attempt to near contemporise it. Being that it’s officially only 150 years from now (someone please correct me, I know First Contact is supposed to be near 2063, and Kirks Romulan Ale in TWOK was made in 2283)
I actually like it - it is good music. It's just a bit of a deviation from (perceived) Trek tradition: it was originally written for Patch Adams and rerecorded for STE, it is much more complex than most other Trek themes and as such harder to memorize and hum. It is also the first one with an actual text for the song and emphasis on the singing instead of an orchestral score. But then again, the themes to DS9 and VOY are not exactly easy and snappy. Every new generation of Trek deviates so strongly from the previous ones that inevitably the established fan base is up in arms and shouts "this is not Star Trek!". This may not necessarily be a bad thing. Trek has always been about challenging preconceptions.
“We don’t cast for height, that’s short sighted.” Classic Ty, classic.
Why are your funniest episodes so short? It’s cold blooded how short they are! I look forward to this show every week, you guys rock.
RIP Dean Stockwell. Haven't seen him in anything for awhile but in everything I'd seen he always played interesting characters... Al will always be my favourite role of his.
Ty loves 3.5 of us!
Ty needs to do a top five Babylon 5 episodes. I’d love to see his opinion on that and Wess’s opinion on the acting in that series since it was really well acted
I would love to see that, B5 was always at the top of my list, only The Expanse could challenge it's place... now they are 1a and 1aa.
@@daveannarino7892 I agree 100%. I think a star fury Aurora would fit in the expanse well. Just change the pulse cannon for Gatling guns and it would cross over
sounds like b5 is gonna get a reboot.
My favorite Quantum Leap episode was the one where Sam leaped into John McClane.
Hot damn!!!!! How did they miss that one!!! I loved in when ziggy gave Sam a 2885 to 1 shot that he’d be ok to jump off that roof
2:55 there is an episode of Stargate SG-1 where it is discovered that Col. O'Neill had been sharing his consciousness with Dan Castellaneta's character (civilian/nondescript) for YEARS, but kept it to himself because he didn't know it was real (due to shared contact with alien tech) & he didn't want to fail a psych evaluation😂😂😂
"Bowling? Every Wednesday night? You got game, son!" -O'neill 🤣🤣🤣
FAN #7 Here: 1) Ty a great quote, "Height can't Act ! "
....................... 2) Scott Bakula got lots of praise for taking on "body-roles" that were female, or monority, etc. His acting, delivery was so great that the audience forgot who was saying the lines.
Listener #5 checking in. Sorry, had to watch the recording. I missed it live 😭.
Doors and corners boys and girls. That's where they get ya...
308 is hands down my favorite episode of the series. "Go into a room to fast, kid. The room eats you."
The Quantum Leap episode “Catch a Falling Star” was partially filmed in the old Embassy Hotel theater in downtown LA when I was living there as a USC student (it was owned by the university). The day that episode was filmed I decided to ditch my Physics lecture and lab in hopes of seeing Scott Bakula. I didn’t see him but enjoyed watching all the “stuff” that goes on when filming a show. Before Ty & That Guy it was the only real behind the scenes insight I had ever had. Thanks for bringing back that fun memory with your show and keep sharing!
Dr. Who is always optimistic and uplifting.
Can you guys please find a way to get Clinton Shorter on a future episode of Ty and That Guy?
I love the scores to the show, and would love to hear Clinton's insights into composing The Expanse's theme and epic music.
Thank you both in advance.
Fucking LOVE the podcast. 🙏🏻🖤
YES please! I also expressed that wish a few times now. The music, both, score and in universe music, is so well done it placed, and deserves to be in the spotlight more
The Quantum Leap Lee Harvey Oswald episodes were so good. JFK still died at the end, but they realized that he was actually there to save Jackie Kennedy Onassis.
#44 checking in. I mean, I've been here since the first episode, it's just my lucky number.
Xpanse series 😮💛
"Running For Honor" is probably my favorite. Absolutely heart-wrenching.
Wes - You missed the classic Jimmy Stewart movie - Harvey. Ty - Bilbo at the end!
No matter how many times I watch it, the scene leading up to and including the Roci crossing the ring is some of the most tense TV I've ever seen. White-knuckled every time. Just very, very well done.
And the shot of Miller in front of the door is the most iconic image from the series.
Listener 7 here- already heard podcast in the car today. Awesome stuff on Leapers…. Or Lepers (sorry Clint)
When Wes asks Ty to sing I half expected Ty to say "I'm not your dancing monkey!" These guys crack me up.
I just about lost it when Ty said "He's a Time Terrorist" hahahhaha
I can't believe Wes forgot about the episode of Quantum Leap where Sam leaped into the body of John McClane & had to defend Nakatomi Plaza from a group of terrorists. I believe it was a Christmas episode... ;) ;)
Turning Cold-bl--ooddeed!! into a lullaby is my favorite thing about where we are in the podcast.💗💗💗
Never saw quantum leap but it did remind me a bit of the sci-Fi show Sliders where a team of people slip through different dimensions / alternate worlds, and try to find their way back to their home dimension.
"I'm not gonna sing for you." I think Clint 's my power animal.
Oh wow as a 80s kid Quantum Leap is one of my favorite shows of all time. It's been a long time since I rewatched but I remember vividly most of the ones you guys mentioned. I'm gonna have to see if there's somewhere to watch the show these days. I seem to remember a handful were missing last time I went through it though.
This entire ep was a trip! As a note of trivia: the network decided to abruptly end the series. The finale was done in such haste, they misspelled Sam Beckett's last name in the title card!
Yes!
They Live!
Love the wholesome Quantum Leap discussion. Wes really nailed how brutal those ending title cards were for the finale. Ty defiled the subject matter. But only slightly.
Feeling the warmth, Ty!
Thanks to you all, as always!!!
If The Expanse is truly over after this season, I'd love to see some of the talent behind the show (especially art/effects) gets hired to work on the Babylon 5 reboot. While I'm very wary of reboots, B5 had a very small budget and could never really pull off the promise of its premise. Even with that handicap was still an incredible story.
I hope you guys will be at the San Diego Comic-Con this year!
Fan # 4 here: Ty can you please explain the recyclers in the Expanse .. how exactly did they work?
It's probably best to open a question on their website. I don't know if they are going to answer some more (they did that in the past) but I submitted one the other day and really hope to get that answered too
I love that they talk about how they do cliffhangers. I HATE shmuck cliffhangers. Shows that do that always pissed me off and I even stopped watching shows that did that too much.
i remember watching Quantum Leap as a kid. It was my jam, along with Star trek and the space shows. I slide happily along the spectrum of sci-fi.
If Wes or someone reads the comments, I had nearly forgotten the evil leaper but what I NEVER forgot was the Halloween ep where Al is being impersonated the whole ep until the end when Al finally gets through/shows up and they're standing there with the imposter. Possibly thought to be the devil. :O
Evil is a good series to watch. always fun
I remember that! Was Al Pan at one point?? Or even a goat??? Weirded me out
@@PHDiaz-vv7yo Al wasn't the goat as I remember but in the series of calamities threatening Sam and his leap's wife/girlfriend I remember a goat pulling on a ladder
the 3 big things I remember, fake Al leading Sam astray, how creepy the Al next to Al confrontation was played, and historical punch line at the end identifying a teenager the Halloween loving couple were friends with as being "Stevie" King
@@bwallatube the author Stevie King. Man, I loved that show
Viewer 10 here, love the Miller episodes, hes like Q for Picard, or Kazoo for Fred and Barney
I know Clint doesn't like to be on camera, but I would have loved to see him take Ty's spot on the screen for the Quantum Leap discussion.
Poor Ty. So bored.
It turned into "Clint and That Guy" podcast in the last part of the show
Great Bilbo quote, Ty.
Nice Bilbo reference Ty ❤
Is there a podcast episode or any video where Ty, Daniel, or Naren explain why they've done the big changes from the book to the show? I'm on the fourth book and I'm very interested in knowing what they think about some of the big ones, especially with the third book (fourth one, maybe, but I kind of get the gender swap and characters' omissions). They've nailed it so far with many things they've adapted, specially writing stuff for Chrisjen and Bobby to do and "creating" some of the best characters in the show like TV Ashford and TV Drummer, but I'm interested in the process of ditching Book Bull, for example, and some other characters and plots that seemed interesting to develop, but decided not to. It must've been difficult.
Oh yes! The cliffhangers on this show are brutal, but brutally good. Always so much fun to watch reactors roll their eyes and debate if they can still squeeze in the next episode. Hallmark of getting it right
I genuinely thought the top 5 was going to be invisible friends, as Wes mentioned there’s quite a few great ones. If this list ever happens, I’d include the movie “Heart and Souls”, with Robert Downey Junior being brought up by a bunch of ghosts. And Scorpius from Farscape, being the sinister enemy in John’s head… becoming frenemies as the show went on.
Aww "Evil" got a little name drop! 😊
We need some Sliders talk now.
Have either of you watched "Sliders" back in the 1990's? I have a feeling you'd like that. College-age super genius creates a device that can send him into an alternate reality. Him, his girlfriend, Professor and some random passerby get stuck traveling between realities trying to find their own. They find a world where the Soviets took over... one where the Egyptian empire never died out... one where there was an ice age..... really fun concept. It got a little.... rough in the later seasons though :/
Loved Sliders. Pretty much anything with John Rhys-Davies is going to be good.
i remember sliders for sure!
#42 reporting for EAR Duty! bring on that Sci Fi cochlear candy!!! daddy needs to work with some satisfying banter to get me though the doldrums of remote sensing work.
What I wanna know is, did Clarissa pay the legatos fees for the Rocinante to gain access to the crew in order to plant the fake message and disable the Roci?
Viewer #3 checking in early, but at least I made it today!
Clint episodes are the best episodes!
Learn how to disable the missiles at the launch facility then go through the world disarming all of the missiles /solve.
As for that "always uplifting" series, I'd have to go with The Good Place.
We are the 4 😉
Of all the shows to reboot, Quantum Leap ought to be right up there. Imagine it today, you'd have all sorts of 80's and 90's nostalgia and people would be into it. You guys should call up Noren and write that, I'd watch the hell out of a rebooted Quantum Leap.
Oh yeah!!! Schmuckbait! Who remembers Jack Bauer “getting killed” in a torture scene in an hour of season 2 of 24. After the nuke went off and they basically had to fill the next 8 hours
Just hanging there like a side of beef getting cut on. I loved the hell out of 24, but it is not one of those shows that holds up well.
In terms of uplifting shows, I think that's why everyone is so head over heels for Ted Lasso.
And rightly so, it's really wonderful. But people are starved for content that feels wholesome
Uplifting modern series:
The Good Place
Hotel del Luna
There are more but here are 2 where people evolve spiritually after death and improve their prospects for a happy afterlife or reincarnation.
Blood is very cold... in space
Clint's got faith of the heart. 😉
They're finally talking about a tv show and it turns out I have never watched it.
Quantum Leap is taking over this comment section. It's a show I haven't thought about in years, but it really had a huge cultural impact didn't it. I can't believe I remember almost every single episode you talked about!
I remember BG going back in time to second world war, some were on the Allied side, but their best scientist was on the Nazi's side because they were the side that were most technologically advanced and the most likely to advance enough to fight the cylons.
I have never been a Steven King horror fan, but I thought "The Boogieman" episode of QL was really fun.
The finale of Quantum Leap was heartbreaking and it didn't bother me that Sam kept going on and helping people. The other episode where he jumps into himself as a teenager to try to keep his brother alive and sung Imagine was incredible and heartbreaking as well.
Godammit .... am I gonna have to do a Quantum Leap rewatch now? It's probably been a decade or more for me. Maybe Clint and Wes start a Quantum Leap rewatch podcast so I can follow along?
Americans in the 1980s: "Speaking 7 languages is impressive. Only someone with an IQ of 275 could do that."
European teenagers: "1,2,3,... yeah, I got nine."
I've never seen quantum leap either. It wasn't my cup of tea. But I loved Scott Bakula in Star Trek: Enterprise
finally caught up with all the episodes. I love Quantum Leap so much but that ending irks me. Felt like a punishment for Sam "breaking the rules" to save Al's private life. Didn't feel like he chose to keep jumping, rather that he disappeared paradoxically
🎶 It's been a long road, gettin from there to here ... it's been a long time, but my time is finally here....🎶🖖
PS, no more lists where Ty can't participate in the list. (As much as I love Clint.)
imho, 3x8 and 3x9 were the finest episodes of any show in TV history.
19:00 sad moment😁
well that explains why bellisario does NCIS then
"Ha ha! Now you're horny and I'm hurting people!" ...that's a weekend for me *shrug*
Do you guys no of any other authors creating a movie or series from a rpg they ran w friends?
Super amazing that expanse came from a rpg you created an ran w friends of yours~
I’ve been a part of some amazing campaigns created by the dungeon master and players~
One of which would b an amazing movie~
Raymond Feist, the author of the Riftwar series, used the world created in a tabletop group w his friends as his world for his excellent series of novels. Not quite the same as creating a game, but in a similar vein.
No more eps after this, right?! Someone is getting killed:P
I wonder why the torpedo didn´t get them.
Hey, number 3 here. The whole "deep fake " subplot is kinda making me doubt future technology in Expense . Because people would make systems to detect stuff like that in order to keep believing newsfeed at all in my opinion. Something like instant to unravel the fake video on a fly. And since it wasn't explained indepth I'm still only 99% invested in this story line. Anyway, thanks for continuous entertainment, cheers.
Yes, if they can’t tell what is fake, than the Erinwright video from earlier in the season is not proving anything
My take is, there is a way to find that this Holden video is fake but it going to take time and is much easier to shoot each other instead
SAY GOODBYE TY!
the cliffhangers you describe is less of a "what does it mean" and more of a "Why is that happening?" so it's still "What's gonna happen" but it's asking why and still wondering what will happen. so ... your cliffhangers have barely one extra layer lol
I don't think you understand what a cliffhanger is.
I didn’t watch Quantum Leap for the same reason. I wanted SF that took place in the future and in space, not in the past and in Earth.
Sam sounds like Buckeroo Banzi
Just remember, everywhere you go ... there you are.
And now I have the awesome theme tune going through my head
@@PHDiaz-vv7yo My fault, sorry dude.
@@monsterinhead214 Hey...hey... don't be mean
@@davids4610 ... we don't need to be mean.
Ty definitely didn't describe "deep fakes" very well... It uses AI to go through thousands of photos of a person(usually an actor), and then it places the appropriate photo that matches the lighting and angle to place over an already recorded video of a a person, to just replace the face over whomever's face was there before. So the body and background and everything is from the original shot, and there is no CG involved because it's just still photos replacing individual frames of the video.
Get a good chuckle that Ty uses a big jar for a drinking mug.
Does Ty like Doctor Who?
Does Wes have a scar on his forehead?
Harvey
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>deep fake
Does the Tupac holo count?
Wes is wrong, it was not sam controlling it.
Sam met god in the final episode (the bartender) god has been doing this.
Sounds like injecting religious subtext into scifi tv shows was pretty SOP for Balisario
As soon as a non-singing show starts singing, you know it's the start of the end. (I loved Galavant, but Crazy ex girlfriend wasn't as good IMO).
we need a deep fake of Wes, replacing Rick James Cold Blooded!
Why does everyone hate the intro music of Enterprise?
It's fine in a vacuum. It's just all the other treks had a memorable orchestral piece. Just didn't feel like a trek.
@@wavion2 I think it was an attempt to near contemporise it. Being that it’s officially only 150 years from now (someone please correct me, I know First Contact is supposed to be near 2063, and Kirks Romulan Ale in TWOK was made in 2283)
I actually like it - it is good music. It's just a bit of a deviation from (perceived) Trek tradition: it was originally written for Patch Adams and rerecorded for STE, it is much more complex than most other Trek themes and as such harder to memorize and hum. It is also the first one with an actual text for the song and emphasis on the singing instead of an orchestral score. But then again, the themes to DS9 and VOY are not exactly easy and snappy.
Every new generation of Trek deviates so strongly from the previous ones that inevitably the established fan base is up in arms and shouts "this is not Star Trek!". This may not necessarily be a bad thing. Trek has always been about challenging preconceptions.
@@KonradTheWizzard ok fair enough, i sort of get that perspective but I’m ok with it, the show had its goofy moments but I enjoyed it a fair bit.