Game Testing, Triple Screen Racing, Benchstressing the AORUS WATERFORCE XTREME RTX-4090
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ย. 2024
- Answering viewer questions and pushing the 4090 to its max! Seven game titles, and two benchmark tests. A closer look at fan replacement, thermals, noise and performance of the GIGABYTE AORUS WATERFORCE XTREME AIO LIQUID COOLED RTX-4090. aaaand there's a misspelled easter egg in there sonewhere.
BEST VIEWED on a LARGE or WIDE screen to see the in-game performance metrics
You are literally the only 1 using this model. I wonder what is your Maximum Memory Tjunction temp during Furmark load for 10 minutes ?
VRAM junct will hover around 76⁰ periodically jumping as high as 78⁰ and 74⁰ during a Furmark stress load +1500 mem OC. Fan stock curve about 40%. Non OC will stay at 72⁰. Stays quiet and runs pretty cool. If I manipulate the fan curve a bit higher it will hang around 74⁰ 50% fan. The GPU temp rarely reaches past 60⁰ even at max OC which generally keeps the fan at low rpm.
@@theclockpit If you want to lower VRAM Temperature, you can try putting in copper shims in place of the factory thermal sheets sandwiched between the GPU's metal plate and the VRAM modules. Some people had impressive results. Thermal paste has to be used to allow for more contact between the plate, and VRAM modules.
@@KainRazielMT very interesting.. I love improvement. a $2k card shouldn't need improvement, but clearly it can some!
I have the 666w Galax bios on my 4090 Suprim X Hybrid right now. It pulls ~600w in games like Exodus and Resident Evil Village at 5160x2160 resolution. Max I've seen is 630w peak, and it still holds 3060mhz....damn impressive. I'm an Aorus shill tho and have wanted their 4090 but it was never in stock up here in Canada so I got the Suprim X Hybrid. MSI outdid themselves with this PCB; gonna be tough to out do it but now I wanna sell it and get the Aorus as it's in stock
Did you do it? I wouldnt to be honest. If you were to spend that $ it's better just to custom watercool a good air card for less $.
It looks like the unit for me! I'll wait for a while and probably prices will come down.
Thats Crazy, its so cold when using over 400 Watts !!
Sad that you dont test Iracing, best racing game. But congrats great Video
Could you tell me how thick is radiator with fans? There is no information about that anywhere.
RAD is 27mm thick and fans add an additional 25mm.
One more thing you can do is to disassemble the card and compare the PCB to the other versions. There is a lot of interesting stuff waiting to find out if you compare the PCBs.
I was tempted, and still might if warranty is not voided by doing so.
@@theclockpit This is a card that's only available to a very few amount of users. The issues that might happen in the future are going to be unique compared to other popular versions. The sooner the PCB is known to the general public the better the troubleshooting is.
@@NomadFM Yes i am very intertested to see the inside aswell i cant make up my mind rather to go for something different or just stick to the popular versions and possibly do a custom water loop in the future, honestly just worried that these waterforce cards will develop some sort of unique problem in the future like you said that no one is gonna know how to fix.
I see you upgraded to a 5800X3D.... Well done!
Yes! It turns out, that ribbon cable was causing most of the slowdown issues but I decided to max out this platform anyways, I don't intend to go higher for at least a few years and the x3d will correctly serve the 4090 much more efficiently!
Have you seen that there was a 600w MSI liquid suprim X bios posted last week in the 4090 owners club forum? With such low temps at 500w load it seems like there's still plenty of headroom
I think it's only a matter of time.. but with such limited cards of this model, the demand may not be there for it. Which 4090 forum did you see that bios release at?
@@theclockpit post #2,729 is the one you are after. There's a link at the end of the post
@@Tristan-123 thanks, yeah I saw that. Looks like the gaming OC has a bios out also.. maybe one for this card will be released.
@@Tristan-123 I loaded a 600w bios, and watched this card pull in 585watts in furmark amongst a handfull of other tests which max the pull at around 530w. The gains are small.. I'll be going back to the factory bios, I dont see enough benefit to keep it other than ability to turn fans off at low temps. This card becomes limited by the voltage rather than power draw, an additional 30-40 watts will gain 10 fps.....maybe.. and thats a big maybe. This card is very good with OC'able settings at stock bios. Unless Aorus releases an official new bios I'll be going back to official bios which I guess will be official bios either way,
@@theclockpit I was going to say that these high wattage VBIOS setups are extremely ineffecient. Beyond 500W there are no gains worth the extra heat and stress on the card. Ada Lovelace is actually an extremely efficient GPU architecture. The fact that Nvidia even built the RTX 4090 in unreal. THE CARD IS OVERKILL.....in the best of ways. Nvidia could have gotten away with pushing the card only to 400W instead of 600W and would still demolish the market. DerBauer has a very interesting video on lowering the power levels to maximize efficiency. Gamer's Nexus was the first one to realize that it's a Voltage issue and not a power issue holding Ada Lovelace back. Can't wait to see the XOC modders completely annihilate records.
Thank you for this! Been trying to find out if the fans can be replaced. No one seems to have any info about this card. Only found a couple "unboxing videos" ugh.
Can you change the fan curve in MSI afterburner? Or the pump speed?
Fans can be replaced but connector is different (same as on 3090), fan curve can also be changed. Pump speed cannot be changed.
@@theclockpit So if I'm reading you correctly, the fans can be replaced but they have a proprietary connector? So basically if I wanted to replace them I'd have to buy new fans from Gigabyte? Well that sucks. Though I guess I can just plug the fans I want to use into the motherboard instead. But that's still bs. They should have documentation saying that somewhere on the product page. I shouldn't have to buy a 4080 for almost $3000 (that's how much they 4080s cost retail here) just to find this out.
Thank you again! 🙂 You're doing a far better job advertising Gigabyte's product than they are. lol
@@thundercat_pumyra it uses a triple fan harness which connects to the pcb, there are aftermarket adapter harnesses available although I've not personally used one. And your right, dumb move on Gigabyte's part for not using standard pwm fan connectors. I would not pay a premium for this card if an alternative 4090 was available at msrp.
@@theclockpit "I would bot pay a premium for this card if an alternative 4090 was available at msrp."
Same here. This is literally the only liquid cooled card sold in this country. Unless you want to spend another $1000 for a 4090. $3k is pushing the limit, $4k for a graphics card is never going to happen.
Do you have 0 rpm Fans when on idle?
No. They run all the time which is dissapointing, even with fan control.
50s degrees fking awesome❤❤❤
Hello sir,
I guess you got all the problems you talked about with the PCI riser cable maybe being a gen(eration) 3 cable? I know LIAN LI has gen 4 cables and maybe that could be a solution for you. If i got it right LIAN LI:s internal article number for a gen 4 cable is PW-PCI-420. Sounds like you live in the USA and think you can order them from ebay or similar shops. Cool setup you got and have a nice day.
Kind regards Tomas, Sweden
Hi thanks for your response! I did end up purchasing a replacement riser cable which solved the issue. The prior one was 4.0 but faulty. Not a cheap cable but performance is great with it!
hey thanks for all the info on the waterforce. i have seen some people say the the card feels a bit too cheap in quality. i was wondering what your opinion is on that. consider you are the one owning a waterforce you would know more than most people. I can't quit make a desistion on what to buy. i'm considering a suprim x or the waterfore.
The performance of both of these cards is very similar, temperatures on average are about 10c less than air cooled cards, but not anywhere near as low as custom loop temps. The warranty is a bit longer on Gigabyte (4 yr), Suprim x is cheaper, if you wanted to custom water cool you could get an air cooled card and waterblock for the same price as this waterforce... the waterforce fans will be a bit more of a pain to change out if you need/choose to since they dont use standard pwm connectors, lots of things to consider. The bottom line is.. they all perform at the same level, silicon lottery is the only variable if you plan to overclock a d even then I've seen the cheapest cards outperforming the best. As far as build quality goes, the radiator is quite light, more than I like but seems to perform well.., the cable tied fan cable that follows the cold tube path feels like an afterthought, there is a plastic housing on the front of the card as opposed to the metal monster air cards, that may have been a thermal choice but they didn't do anything special with it.. its exactly what it looks like it's light and people may describe light as cheap.. I don't think it's worth $150 more than the suprim. I'd suggest to pick what fits your case and budget, don't look back.
@@theclockpit thank you for your information. btw what bios did you use for the 600w power limit?
@@Isaac_YT I tried several bios's, the suprim liquid x original 600w,it performed worse than the 500w gigabyte bios by about 5-7 frames on average.. anything beyond 500w doesn't bring much value in gaming from what I've been able to test.
If you replace the fans with something else, please give me the fans details.
Maybe you can send me an image of the fans label.
Hello, could you please tell how is it performing after a month? No issues? And what is the manufacturer of the memory? Samsung? Micron? Thank you!
I've had this card for 6 weeks now, it performs the same as day 1. Micron is the memory mfg
Hey, Thank you for Video, I`ve been trying to get my hands on this card but in europe so far its close to impossible. Just one question, How is Coil whine ? Its only hitting redit now but it seems most of 4090`s even high end models(suprim/strix) have super silent fans but horrible coil whine ??? Any issues with your model ?
Perhaps I got lucky? Maybe a tiny bit? If I stick my ear right up next to it I can force myself to hear something but it's a stretch, at that close (1cm) I can just barely hear the pump running
@@theclockpit Gigabyte supposedly are using different capacitors, but I`ve seen gigabyte gaming oc with bad coil whine. Aorus is premium product so maybe they used something better. Anyways, thanks and congratulations on your new GPU :)
Mine doesn't have any perceptible coil whine. My old EVGA RTX 3090 had a little whine, but I never had any issues with it in 2 years of owning it and even mining with it. The high end cards are built to last (80 and 90 series).
You think your GPU riser cable is faulty or somehow bottlenecking? I wanted to vertically mount this GPU in the future possibly.
Yes, might be the cable itself I'm not sure.. I dont have another to test out.
Is that a PCIE 4.0 riser? If not you’re losing performance. Not a lot but a little.
Does this model have same problem of high vram temps in general like the MSI Suprim X Liquid?
VRAM temp in this card hits 68-74c routinely. Not super hot but not cool either.
Any coil whine noise when in full power ?
Another question, are the fan headers standard GPU PWM headers or custom from gigabyte?
Have a look at just past 1 minute into the video
@@theclockpit previously (on the 3090 ti-version) Gigabyte used proprietary connectors, that looked very much like the standard 4-pin connectors - but not quite. So it is just to be sure :) btw, do you have any idea, how the card would perform with different fans? (ie. P12s from MSI, T30-120s from Phantek or NFA12x25s from Noctua?)
@@johanlervang2247 sorry for the late reply. I'm not sure how other fans might perform on this card. I don't think Gigabyte did anything special in terms of fan quality for this series so going high end might move pretty heat from the somewhat thin rad. Fan connector yep. Same as 3090..
Just wondering if anyone can tell me what's the fan + radiator thickness on this GPU? Need to check if the top of my case has enough clearance for this :).
Sorry for the late reply. Rad is 27mm and fans add another 25mm
@@theclockpit No worries, better late than never ;)
What’s the temperature of the room
It heats up quick, room temp was 74⁰F, 23⁰C
I also bought this water cooling card. Very disappointed with 500W power limit, Even wind cooling gaming oc supports 600w
I loaded a 600w bios, gains are small to the price of increased heat and power consumption. There is maybe 20-30watts of usefull additional power that can be gained but its not fruitful. I am going to revert back to the factory bios because it outperforms the 600w yes that is right.. I dont think Gigabyte is really holding back and to the tests of other cards and clocks hitting 3100.. its not gaining the performance one might think. This card is a cool quiet monster that runs cooler than air cards, with less noise. I am not displeased at all its clocks (from what i've compared with, are beating the Gigabyte OC as well, with less power, much cooler OC temps and less noise. Its a 100% win.
I have the Aorus master 4090 and on 90% power target I’m hitting around 2750 with no over clock. When I get my Atx 3.0 PSU Monday I’m gonna see if I can get around 3100 as that seems to be the norm for the Master.
@@NorthsideChamps16 let us know your oc results and benchmarks! I'm curious to know the stable ceiling and if performance jumps from the 3ghz to 3.2ghz range.. also your mem oc range
@@theclockpit May I ask where did you find the 600W bios? I only see gaming oc version bios on Vbios webpage.
@@maxc3678 it was listed by a member link in the thread, might have to scroll around to find it
please do get a replacement cable from corsair or evga for the quad 8 pin to 12 volt connected on your gpu. apparently they are not good quality so its melting down due to axial loads
where did you buy it?
3,000 MHz clock on water is pretty disappointing considering FE cards are getting 3,100 MHz on air. I hope Gigabyte releases a higher power limit BIOS sometime in the future because the 360 cooler is completely underutilized - FE hits 57*C on air while your test shows 54*C on water.
100% that is due to power limit set in the bios.. I am curious to know if that relates to any tangible performance difference or noise reduction differences or cooler vram. One sure benefit is nearly silent operation with slow fan speeds but I agree.. as I said in the first video there is room to push it but the benefit may be small or none.
You won't see any significant gains upping the power and core clocks. The 4090 is most efficient around 400 to 450 Watts. If you have a high refresh rate monitor 100 MHz and and an extra 100W of power won't do you any good. 500W max for this card is perfect and it's super quiet while doing so. This card is about better thermals, card longevity and great acoustics.
Clock speeds for these cards aren’t the end all be all though. The card is a beast already and Overclocking most of the time rarely nets you a perceptible gain in fps.
Consider as well that the water block is cooling other parts as well such as VRMs and VRAM chips. The truth doesn't lie in just the Core temperature. The VRAM memory junction temperature on the Water force is ridiculously low as it never goes beyond 58C. My old RTX 3090 had a hybrid cooler and still would hit 88-105C stock. I had to replace the thermal pads on the backside and add huge heatsinks in order to get anything less than 80C during gameplay. This card is actually the best you can currently get hands down regardless of clock speed or chip lottery.
That cable is ridiculous. 4 pcie would be better than that octopus looking monstrosity. The dual splitter was bad enough last gen with the 3090, now this 😢
The point of that "octopus looking monstrosity" is so that you can use your old PSU with these new cards. But ideally you'll want one of the PCIe 5.0 PSUs. You won't *need* four PCIe cables and an adapter anymore, just the one cable will suffice. In the short term, it looks like crap. In the long run, it's much much better.