I have flown both x-plane and MSFS for over 20yrs. I am a retired airline pilot and here is my 2 cents: x-plane is more aerodynamically accurate, much easier to work with, comes with more features and the major thing that x-plane offers but MSFS does not: I can do whatever I want with x-plane aircraft, EG move, add and delete engines, change the shape of the wings and fuselage, add and delete components, design your own aircraft from scratch and fly it the same day. I have downloaded and flown NF-104 to space and back many many times. The end results are very close to NASA's documents. I built all the lifting bodies (M2F1, M2F2, M2F3, HL-10, X-24C) and flown them too, results are very close to what NASA advertised. I have flown Classic 747, 747-400, KC-135, B-720 on 3 engines and 2 engines. I had to tweak some of the numbers to make them fly like the real stuff. MSFS won't let U do any of the things I mentioned. Don't kill the messenger plz.
I totally agree. I'm just an instrument rated private pilot. I want to use a flight simulator to practice approaches. I know they don't count for the FAA instrument requirements. However, it helps me practice the sequence of things I have to do in instrument flying. The scenery in midwest farmland in Xplane, is far superior to MSFS2020! I guess they left the "fly over country" out of MSFS. Maybe it's better in Californika.
Can you pop out gauges to separate windows? It's the one feature in MS Flight sim that is missing. And the G1000 popout screens are incredibly annoying.
One other important thing for people to consider when choosing a flight simulator is the kind of flying they want to do. I fly VFR and used to use X-Plane 11; however, that sim needed me either to make my own ortho files (which was very time consuming) or to buy ortho products (which was very expensive). The upshot of this was that I was limited in the areas I could practice true VFR navigation using real-world charts. Microsoft Flight Simulator gives me ortho of virtually the whole world and, to be honest, the flight dynamics in MSFS are now so much improved that it made sense for me to stop using X-Plane and fly solely in MSFS.
Hey Rich, yea, perfectly said.... I use x-plane for the higher level of customization myself, but for a VFR pilot that just needs solid graphics, MSFS is def the way to go.
I tried both. MSFS is increasingly game oriented. A lot of fun, if you are into that. As an actual pilot, instructor, and aviation geek, I’d go with XPlane without hesitation. The devotion to REALISM is paramount in XPlane.
Thanks! As a gamer, I can see where MSFS would be a great option, good graphics, just a fun time flying around different places. As a pilot, I want realism and training and accurate avionics that all work together just like the real aircraft. I can't wait to try out the gamification they have in MSFS 2024, but am currently still on X-Plane....
same here. still using FS 2004. i even just bought brand new virpil hotas. throttle, stick and pedals. the only downside is with these new controls it took a long time and fsuipc to get them to work. even then i still have a slight turn to the left the second i take off. so i am working on that. I am leaning towards X-plane 11. for my new sim if i can not figure out the roll issue with my controls and FS9. i can not justify the 500 price increase for x plane 12. it can not be that much better than 11
I have over 400 hours in VR using MSFS. As a "casual" flight simmer, vr has been a game changer. You don't need 3 monitors, control panels, etc... all you need is a hotas, some pedals and a headset. You still need a powerful pc with a high end graphics card. I have only purchased some seasonal foliage add ons and a few stol planes. Again, I am the kind of player that only wants to fly in interesting weather, explore interesting terrain and airports etc. MSFS gives you a good bang for the buck for more casual flying.
I've been in all this for 25 years. If you are a young person, you'd better go with MSFS. Because you should visit thousands of airports all around the globe. It is an exploration of the whole world. However. It will always be a July day (January in the Southern Hemisphere.) There are no seasons in the MSFS. You can "make up" snow. But it won't be real weather. X Plane creates an atmosphere. There are great mountains there, the right major roads, and coastlines. But it is not photo-realistic. It's not supposed to be. Some default airports are good (like LTFM/IST.) Some others (like HECA/CAI) are very basic. However, runways and taxiways are all right. Aircraft models are completely different. In my view, they are more realistic in X Plane. Not perfect (not enough inertia, for example) but more realistic.
perfectly said... I do a lot of instrument flights in my sim, so the additional customization I wanted was best with X-Plane,.... also I've just been an x-plane user for like a decade, too...
I run X Plane 12 on a Ryzen 7 2700x, 16 GB DDR4, GTX 1070, 1 TB NVME SSD running Linux Mint 21.2. Very happy with the performance. I run medium to high settings and am getting 30 to 45 FPS the majority of the time.
Awesome thanks for dropping your specs here…. Just curious, they ever fix the cloud resolution in xp12? I couldn’t get past their 8bit clouds and they still look like that in the demo.
@@flightsimguides The latest beta, 12.06R3 the clouds look much better. They still need to be improved but it is a huge improvement over what we had in X Plane 11.
Thats nice! I run X plane 12 on a I7 8086k, 32 GB RAM, 1080ti 12 GB and on a SSD 970 EVO 2 TB. Using medium settings. When I'm in EHAM from FlyTampa using auto ortho / X-world and world traffic I only got a FPS from 14 to 20.. When Im somewere far away I got 35+ FPS.. I think I need to build another PC
I've used both. Currently sufferring with MSFS 2020. Load time is 5 min. plus, from a solid state card. I do love the graphics and ability to explore the world. The biggest piece of advice is if you want training and to master the operation of planes, use Xplane. If you want good simulation of planes, but primarily want scenery, use MSFS 2020. Both are good sims....
I honestly prefer MSFS for a few reasons, VFR, I can’t do VFR in Xplane as well as I can in MSFS, weather, I’ve had a better experience with weather in MSFS than Xplane 11, and because I genuinely enjoy it more that Xplane 11, that being said, I still fly in both sims, better physics in Xplane so I will find myself flying Xplane whenever I want to fly a floatplane or do realistic maneuvering, I enjoy and respect both sims.
Dear SIR, Thank you. As an equaly biased Macuser, would'ved sused in a fraction on Mac Platform ,...so ...thank you , and the fact for my 67th birthday I was presented by my family, a Logitech Yoke, 3 Throttle ancillary Control Leavers. An 'I Think' P.C......ohhhh!!! this suff brings me back to the years of DOS ! ....however all that stuff iz history...I believe my requirements shall need the ultimate features of both simulation programmes . Thank you sincerely, yours in Perfect Flying Conditions, Perfect Aircraft, Perfect Crew and Passengers and Cargo.Succesful flying....'Axel1' my pilot name.
right, I think X-Plane 12 has a promising future, I want to get everything working on that and go all in on 12.... I can't get over the weird looking cloud visuals. And def want to try VR at some point.
I wish these videos had an easy date stamp on them, so we could tell how dated the information is. We are already on MSFS 2024 and Xplane 12 Windows 10 is much easier to use than Mac once you see it and use it. It has a ton more stuff it can do. Skip Windows 11 !!! Good video, good advice, thanks!
Good informative video. I fly MSFS2020/XP12 and DCS. All three are good for different types of aircraft and all three are improving as time and tech get better.
I bought both because they were cheap enough. It seems I get to actually fly a lot more in X-plane because in MSFS I spend most of my time in settings trying to figure out why the throttle doesn't work, or the trim, or the mixture settings stopped. Very frustrating in MSFS.
Couldn’t agree more. I’m always spending too much time navigating the settings trying to figure out why MY auto throttle just sets my engines to idle mid flight, why my speed brakes won’t go over past the first increment, why my f-18 randomly pitches down in an uncontrollable dive, etc. With X-Plane, it’s instant compatibility.
I''m with you! I have 3 different Sidewinder Microsoft joysticks, and I had difficulty making the throttle work. Why Microsoft hardware not supported by Microsoft software?! I gave up. I don't want to buy $1000 worth of throttles, joystick, and pedals.
It’s funny how ppl say xplane for ifr msfs for vfr, i just want to know what’s the difference between both flight sims on pilot edge using a c 172. I’m a student pilot and msfs looks and feel closer to the real thing. Flying is all about scenic views ifr or vfr. Isn’t that why we all want a window seat ? 😆
When using pilot edge, you may not see a big difference, it's just used for radio communication with a virtual atc... Regards to why I recommend X-Plane for IFR flying... Both X-Plane Flight Simulator and Microsoft Flight Simulator have their strengths and weaknesses when it comes to IFR (Instrument Flight Rules) flying. However, it is important to note that the choice between the two ultimately depends on personal preferences and requirements. Here are some reasons why some users might consider X-Plane Flight Simulator better for IFR flying: Flight Model and Realism: X-Plane is renowned for its flight physics and realistic aircraft behavior. It simulates the aerodynamic forces and aircraft handling more accurately, which can be beneficial for IFR flying where precise control and instrument interpretation are crucial. Detailed Instrument Systems: X-Plane offers a wide range of highly detailed and accurately simulated aircraft systems, including instrument panels and avionics. This level of realism can enhance the IFR experience by providing more accurate instrument readings, realistic autopilot functionality, and simulated failures. Third-Party Add-Ons: X-Plane has a vibrant community of third-party developers who create and release high-quality add-ons such as aircraft, scenery, and plugins. These add-ons often include highly realistic IFR-focused aircraft and instruments, allowing users to further enhance their IFR flying experience with more advanced features and systems. Customization and Flexibility: X-Plane provides users with extensive customization options, allowing them to tailor the simulator to their specific needs. This flexibility is particularly valuable for IFR flying, where pilots often have different preferences regarding the layout of their instrument panels, the availability of specific avionics, or the inclusion of custom charts and navigation databases. Training and Education: X-Plane is widely used in aviation training and education due to its realism and accurate flight modeling. Many flight schools and professional pilots utilize X-Plane as a tool for practicing IFR procedures, honing instrument interpretation skills, and simulating complex scenarios. The availability of realistic IFR add-ons and the ability to create custom training scenarios make X-Plane a popular choice in this regard. While X-Plane offers advantages for IFR flying, it's worth mentioning that Microsoft Flight Simulator also has its strengths, such as stunning visual graphics, a massive selection of worldwide scenery, and an active user base. Ultimately, both simulators have their unique features, and the choice depends on individual preferences, priorities, and specific requirements for IFR flying. Hope this helps.
@@flightsimguides Wauit about mods I thought they swapped? Me: looks up X-plane mods and finds X-plane org is still going and have tons of content even for X-plane 12! Wow feels like home as I have not used this site in uyears... So yeah thanks you for pointing it out! Maybe a video comparing MSFS 2020's and XP12's modding communities together but free and paid?
I congratulate you, not everyone who makes videos about simulators objectively talks about the characteristics of each one. I think that X Plane 11 is very good and X Plane 12 improved, but they changed the physical engine and the plane wobbles even if there is no wind or turbulence. I hope they correct this, because I uninstalled it for that, for being unreal like MS Flight Sim 2020.
Yea I noticed that. I mentioned it to the folks at the x-plane 12 booth at the sim conference but I’m pretty sure they didn’t care, lol…. But I agree, I’m still on xp11 for the time being due to flight characteristics. Too loose on xp12 for me.
I use both X-Plane 12 and MSFS2020 but XP the most (because of the Airliners B747 classic, Rotate MD-11, Toliss A340-600) . Also, DCS World (excellent war bird simulator) I'd take more Flight Simulators if they make them. If they make them, I will buy them. LOL
I would love to participate in this mate, but unfortunately for me living in Australia the time difference doesnt work. For what it is worth, I am an avid X-Plane supporter and that is mainly driven by the flexibility it provides to cockpit builders, particularly if you have a fully enclosed rig as I do. All the best with the stream as I am sure will be an interesting discussion.
Thank you for the video. Just comming with my few coins. For a new user, i would always say get MFS, it's just more streamlined and can even play on an Xbox and it is future proof. And really it is a lot cheaper to run MFS in the long run. While Xp is a nice product and definetely has it's things over MFS in areas like systems and flight model on certain planes, one thing you really need to take into acount here is the investment and development. XP is a small project that does not really evolve that fast. MFS on the other hand is pumping out large updates very often both in content and core updates, which should raise the question, where will both sims be in 5-10 years from now. As well as content wise, more devs will go for MFS since the market is just a LOT larger which also means that prices go down. For example the 736 that is available for just 35 (an oddball for now but still) While MFS definetely needs the competition, i just am not confient in XP being able to keep up. And i am quite sure that the pro's XP has over MFS will get smaller and at some point perhaps irrelevant. Note that i am probably pretty biassed having played MS sims for years and very little XP (and lots of combat sims). And today i fly MFS and DCS mostly (close to 2000hrs on each title) with some IL-2 on the side. Also i should add, MFS can be played for "free" on xbox and PC gamepass if one already owns that.
Hey, thanks so much for the input, yea, I definitely agree, a new user not sure where they are going would be best off with MFS. MSFS will be a much simpler, easier to use system, XP is robust as crap, but yet small... So small and mighty... :-), and allows more options for a lot of DIY builds for folks a lot smarter than me to build and develop and make extension style updates third party. Thanks!
Feel like does that prefer x-plane are the ones who already invested much time and money in the simulator. They seem to be somewhat protective over their investment.
Flight simmer for 10 years and started with FSX, moved to XPlane 11 and currently, I only use MSFS 2020. Pro’s and con’s for each however flying in VR with MSFS takes the immersion factor to a whole new level that can’t be duplicated in XPlane. Additionally, with XPlane, you’ll spend a more money on payware scenery and aircraft and that is already included with the Premium version of MSFS.
That doesn’t make sense. Orthos for XP are free. And default airports look better than in MSFS. I have spent way more for MSFS that is a money machine.
@@frankbyte yea I would agree that you probably will spend more in msfs than xplane because msfs have far more add-on products available for the fact that developers see that it has a far higher user pool. Over 10million chances to make a sale have to be attractive for addon Developers. I’m one of them Everytime there is a sale on one of these marketplaces I buy so much scenery and I buy some of the more expensive addon planes I got the TFdi MD11 for $80 that’s not even released yet. 🤦🏾♂️ but the thing with xplane is the visuals I fly VR 95% of the time even with autoortho x plane at 7000 ft look like msfs at FL430 there is just no comparison visually right now msfs runs away with that. With sim haven and ortho it definitely looks nicer but it’s still not on the level of terrain, tree coverage, road layout wise as msfs. Autoortho shows that there might be hope to continue to grind it up graphically tho and I do like how sim haven do the structure msfs do need to implement a tech like sim haven as some of the building photogrammetry be trippy. I’ll be using both sims because between the two sims they have enough planes to satisfy my OnAir company subscription which gives me so much places to fly to and different type of missions. Once my new 2tb m.2 drive arrive I’ll be putting X-plane 12 on it so each sim will be on their own m.2 drive.
@@youngsmooth8318 Thanks for your comment. Everyone can judge what he likes the most. I personnally don‘t use MSFS anymore, because stuff like lacking inertia or missing turbulences in stormy clouds or flightmodel being a bit off are just a no-go for me. The core statement i made was the default airports that are better modelled in general in XP and don’t make me spend that much money for airports addons like i spent with MSFS.
I seriously find MSFS to be a bad sim, a step back compared to what we had before with P3D/XP. Except the graphics of course. For me it’s a big disappointment. There are soooo many things missing. Since XP12 came out I opened MSFS 3-4 times but just cannot…
@@flightsimguides bet sight seeing flights:). There’s now the A2a Comanche out for msfs which is better then like all general aviation aircraft for xplane. It’s amazing, it handles exactly and when I mean exactly I mean exactly like the real thing, it models cylinders and engine, (literal engineers can study off this aircraft) it can get damaged and is a literal live breathing aircraft. I hope you check it out when you get fs2020/24 installed.
Thank you for giving me more advise on x plane cuz I was confused which one to choose but now I know and can you make a video of xp11 & xp12 which one to choose
Hey, sure I do need to make that video for sure. I haven't yet cause I haven't been real blown away by the flight characteristics of XP12. Since they now are increasing the prices of XP12, I could make the plunge and go all in and get it all setup and do an educated comparison of the two, that'd be a good one. XP12 will come along I believe (once they fix their crappy looking clouds situation). If you are just now getting started in simming, I'd just go with XP12 and start working your peripherals into that system. I set everything up with XP11 and it all worked so I didn't bother much with XP12 cause I knew I'd run into issues with it being so new. So far the clouds and the loose flight characteristics have turned me off, but that might be adjustable.
MSFS through Steam doesn’t work on my machine, keeps crashing. My computer is well above the minimum spec’, everything is up to date, I have tried all the recommended trouble shooting procedures, nothing works - no point suggesting anything. DCS works perfectly but I want to practice modern civilian navigation methods using Little NavMap. Do you think XPlane 12 would be a good choice?
@@flightsimguides Thanks for replying. I've been playing with the demo version and think I'll buy it tomorrow. Steam refunded the money for MSFS so that was good.
FSX flight simulator it's a best of flight simulator in 2006 to 2016 year but when the xplane come in the simulator for flight I like it . Xplane is best and I like it msfs to but Microsoft big with FSX and now it's very hard fight Microsoft and xplane ❤ I think xplane is beter
I chose xplane12 over msfs only because of physics I want to be a pilot in the future for the a321 and for me it flies so much better than in msfs. I'm not a pilot or anything but I talk to some via insta and I have seen that they use xp12 for their flights. For msfs I will only go on it if I feel like it's a relaxed day and let's see a bit of the world but flying in there is very responsive to the sudestick I have even when I changed the settings to what they should be. Overall I chose xplane12 way over any over SIM as if your looking to fly in the real world it better to use as like I said because of physics, the way the aircraft behaves.
Now what your saying here is wrong somewhat wrong in regards to flight modeling. I bet you didn’t take time to look into the Fenix a320. Rather you just compared toliss to fbw or default 320. ( or maybe you did and have different opinions and that’s ok). Some pilots may still prefer xp12 for serious use. Xplane may seem more accurate to some but Microsoft have implemented a modern fluid dynamic system which is more modern compared to the outdated blade element theory (xplane). Not to mention Fenix and lots of the third party developers has managed to work around the sims limitations. Trust me, in the real aircraft you’d barely find a difference between toliss and Fenix. Let’s put it this way, if you think xplane is far superior in-terms of flight modelling some people might of told you that as they have 0 flight hours and just spread the message around to make there sim feel better. The changes are so minimal aswell as avionics that graphics and sate light scenery nock xplane out of the ball park. Sure you can get ortho4xp but that just isnt sufficient due to the amount of space it takes up. X-plane might be a few steps up in terms of flight modeling and avionics but Microsoft will eventually overcome it. However I do agree xplanes ground handling is much better. For you I’d reccomend msfs, great for future pilots and guess what, by the time you start flying the 320 family fslabs will come out with there 320 line up for msfs which is awesome and the best airbuses on the market! Better then ff toliss Fenix and many more. I’d only reccomend xplane at this very moment if you are flying general aviation and is flying a plane that is not available for msfs yet. Or the other audience, if you want to get your sim faa certified and want to squeeze as much realism in terms of flight modeling and avionics you can out of a consumer grade sim. I don’t feel you are in either group but decide for yourself. If you disagree with my opinion that’s so fine and you do what you prefer! I still fly xp for the ch65, 321, 350, torque sim sr22. It’s totally up to you, this is just my take on it. If you got up to here thanks for reading! There both great sims and enjoy each one:)
Tbh, if you want the most realistic Airbus simulation experience P3d would be the best. I know toliss may seem good and real life Airbus pilots fly it but the acars and mcdu depth isn’t there. I’m a real pilot and use all sims. It doesn’t matter what a real pilot flies, it doesn’t make the sim any more realistic. For example v1 simulations prefers the Fenix over toliss 320neo and so does 320 sim pilot. However if you really want to fly a 321 and can’t afford P3d or fslabs in that matter ( it cost a lot) I guess xplane would be the right choice for you. At the end of the day the toliss does feel the best and that might be some peoples priority. At the end of the day it’s up to you and your personal preference hope these two comments help and I wish you luck with your dreams of being and Airbus pilot :)
@@majoraviatior1611 damn bro you really went on it, and I wasn't brainwashed in any way these are just my opinions and my feeling in the aircraft I have also looked deeply into the Fenix a320 because I did a few flights with it and the toliss just feels better even if mcdu isn't in deeply it doesnt effect the flight it's just to print things out or get wether info.
Im sick of people saying msfs os a arcade style game, the physics aremt bad and if anything xplane has crash animations and msfs 2024 is removing the guns off the foghter jets, provimg that they are a simulation
msfs not bad, I realized you can turn off the copilot functions and it acts more "normal" in terms of flight characteristics. The lead-in to a flight is kind of arcade like now that you mention it. All cut scenes and everything, and I'm like, "dude, I just want to fly, give me the sticks"... I might add the RV10 to it and see how it works. Why would they take the guns off the fighter jets? That sounds more like a societal coercion that Microsoft bowed down to....
MSFS will have the higher growth potential. The funding backing behind it is crazy we know Microsoft bag is insane. They will have the funds to keep teams of developers working to continuously improve the product. You see that with things like bringing gliders into the sim; the wind dynamics and turbulence improved dramatically. They also rolled it out for Xbox this is big because it dramatically increase their market share and consumer Base this makes msfs extremely attractive to 3rd party developers. With that single move they now have a larger pool of customers to market and sell their product to so developer will surely go to work on creating products for MSFS. There is already a crazy amount of custom scenery for msfs and product coming out that is aiming to be extremely high fidelity. X-plane currently have the better flight model but that gap is rapidly closing and with the popularity of msfs amongst content creators I’m sure Microsoft is hearing that criticism of the flight model and is likely hell bent on getting it resolved. One thing I will say. It’s a great time to be a flight simmer im excited to see where things go.
MSFS for the win, the core engine is supreme compared to anything else. If you want more advanced flight models use payware aircraft instead of the default bundle aircraft. Microsoft and Asobo have taken flight sims to the next level, even out the box it's insanely good. I dont see anyone catching up with the tech and near unlimited resources. MSFS2024 will blow their prevous product out the water. Exciting times for simmers... if you use MSFS.
@@flightsimguides Aircraft control is closer to reality and physics, and I heard that some aviation institutes are accredited with them, a lot of people are impressed with MFS2020 because of the scenery and graphics quality. But x plane went beyond that with Autoortho. In the end, in my opinion, MFS is for gamers.
I wish MSF20 soon to be MSF24 improve roads highways like x planes has a well renders road and good ai cars on roads plus drivable car If city car driving was real worldwide earth simulator game would be cool not only car but boats, trains buses etc why is this still flight why another 20 years. This would be called simulator just real world simulator.
I've not used P3D, yet, but I might be able to check it out at some point in the future and do a review for sure.... I've just been using x-plane for over 10 years now, but I'm sure P3D is a good alternative, just make sure any external devices and software you use are compatible.
P3D is easily an updated MSFS' ESP platform. It was never intended for home use from the get go anyway. When Lockheed Martin bought the rights from Microsoft, they were under the agreement that the software won't be used for personal entertainment. But there we go, they have been enjoying the market that Microsoft turned a blind eye upon. As far as the platform itself: they are largely supported by its established add-ons, other than that, the simulation engine is extremely outdated. LM styled it as training sim that also features submarine and land vehicles.
@@yohannessulistyo4025 Would not be surprised if MFS 2020 core is sold to Lockheed Martin after MFS 2024 comes out. LM can then take MFS 2020 to FAA approval and head down the RW Flight Sim pathway instead of gamer Xbox pathway. I am RW pilot and instructor.
@@pilottech9141I’m not sure what parallel universe your in but imho the hotstart challenger is much superior to fslabs 320. I’ve been a loyal P3d and fslabs user for over 5 years now but it aged extremely as soon as Fenix 320 came out. Xplane handles much more realistically in my opinion to prepared as P3d just feels like fsx on steroids. It feels on rails, doesn’t get effected by weather as much as real life and feels a bit more artificial compared to xplane which feels a bit natural. If your looking for 320 systems then yeah but if your looking for the all rounder fs2020 all the way since there’s Fenix fbw and fslabs are working on the series for msfs. Xplane also has toliss which has a weather radar and circuit breakers. That is great since Fenix doesn’t have a weather radar and fslabs doesn’t have circuit breakers modelled. The only downside to the toliss is the mcdu depth. It’s no way near as good as Fenix or fslabs. But in terms of aircraft handling toliss all the way. Sorry for giving you a whole essay but I’m very into this topic as I’ve experienced all airbuses from aerosoft to Fenix am in the process of a 320 type rating
In the '90s/'00 I started with playing my Dad's MSFSes and while I did have fun and did learn a few things beyond the Learjets I had not craft I really liked... Then a dacade later I discovered that X-plane 9 had the mythical aurora which I always loved and huge modding support. So after only playing flight games and simcades between MSFS2000 and when I got X-plane 9 and man was it so good! The varitry of aircraft and each felt good thanks to the engine and I flew it for years till I stopped to do my TH-cam with other games/sims/simcades I have returned to GA sims and just got both MSFS 2020 and X-plaqne 12 I have not tried XP12 yet as I've been having fun in MSFS2020 even with it's oddities like having an simple interface to change controls but not the best Controller support in the world if you want to use it as a HOTAS like in DCS World, Warthunder and Ace Combat 7... Like it has no toggles just "Set" which is really odd choice for a sim on console to. But anyway I plan on doing both but MSFS has my attention do to the great mod support and just having such good bones also being really pretty. Edit: It seem XP org is still going strong so maybvy their equal now? If equal can even be achived since you can use XP7 and up mods in XP12 I presume?
Whoa, your flight sim journey sounds like an epic adventure! It's awesome that you've come full circle and returned to GA sims with MSFS 2020 and X-plane 12. Hope you have a blast exploring the skies with these sims!
One problem with MSFS 2020: Oh=Obozo or whatever their name is are terrible developers. It took them a year just to learn how to apply a patch. The first year the install process was a joke making OBozo look like clowns.
I'm on Linux, so I can't play MSFS because steam detects the pirated copy, and also, I found my flight stick at a garage sale for free, so I may be cheap, but X plane 11 is far easier to pirate, or should I say "pilot"
Thought I would give Xplane 12 another try, but after spending a whole day down loading it, trying to set it up, buying my Favorite A320, I finely with some effort got the settings kind of correct only to find I had to download a heap of plugins to get my flight underway then only to find I could not get a pushback for the life of me. Apparently you need another plugin. So disappointed.
@@salahrais7558 bad camera system, no instant replay function, blurry avionics in VR, no virtual keyboard in VR (necessary to type something), completely pointless placement of the menu in VR. I bought MSFS and wasted 120€.
X plane 12 ,it is not new simulator , just update for x plane 11 and not Big update , now x plane 11 with addon ( x envir, orbx ...) Stable and better than x plane12
X=plane is a dead sim. All 3rd party developers have moved on to MSFS. The notion that only X-plane has study level game play is outdated. Let's be real.
We are real.. sorry with respect you're talking baseless facts.... Xplane is not dead. Stop listening to content creators , and marketing hype for msfs. Open your eyes.think for yourself man..
you obviously didn't fly sims in the 90's cause XP is one hell of an improvement, lol... My video explains my reasons on why I chose XP, I'm not here to debate it. Everyone makes their choices, so just enjoy whatever sim you want, dude....
Yeah. Until your Internet connection goes when their servers go mad.its too online dependent. The server goes msfs is like a dead brick. That's why I have the other sims.p3d xplane 11 and 12❤❤ Don't put all your eggs in one basket!!😅
I have xp 11 and 12 and I use both extensively. Xp11 stays because my favourite jetliner are not ready for 12 yet. I have invested more stuff in xplane than all rhe others and I love every bit of it. Last week I got the a300 on sale from inibuilds... ❤❤❤❤ love that plane man!!! Fedex and ups hauling galore!!
Honestly for any PC that can run Windows 11 I would suggest that as it's pretty much in current year what windows 10 should have been.... it's also an just an update not a new edition I have no idea why it's marketed that way...
Awesome, glad to hear it! And it’s very possible to run a sim on a Mac and have it be a solid sim. It might limit some possibilities, but nothing game breaking.
I have flown both x-plane and MSFS for over 20yrs. I am a retired airline pilot and here is my 2 cents: x-plane is more aerodynamically accurate, much easier to work with, comes with more features and the major thing that x-plane offers but MSFS does not: I can do whatever I want with x-plane aircraft, EG move, add and delete engines, change the shape of the wings and fuselage, add and delete components, design your own aircraft from scratch and fly it the same day. I have downloaded and flown NF-104 to space and back many many times. The end results are very close to NASA's documents. I built all the lifting bodies (M2F1, M2F2, M2F3, HL-10, X-24C) and flown them too, results are very close to what NASA advertised. I have flown Classic 747, 747-400, KC-135, B-720 on 3 engines and 2 engines. I had to tweak some of the numbers to make them fly like the real stuff. MSFS won't let U do any of the things I mentioned. Don't kill the messenger plz.
Perfectly said…. Thank u!
Totally agree. MFSF after two hrs trying to get my controls setup I give up. X-plane took 10 minutes.
I totally agree. I'm just an instrument rated private pilot. I want to use a flight simulator to practice approaches. I know they don't count for the FAA instrument requirements. However, it helps me practice the sequence of things I have to do in instrument flying. The scenery in midwest farmland in Xplane, is far superior to MSFS2020! I guess they left the "fly over country" out of MSFS. Maybe it's better in Californika.
Can you pop out gauges to separate windows? It's the one feature in MS Flight sim that is missing. And the G1000 popout screens are incredibly annoying.
I think LUA has the capability to do that. @@Trebor_I
X-Plane for airliners, MSFS for sightseeing
Use whichever one you want.
precisely....
In my opinion, MFS is for gamers and Xplane is for simmers
One other important thing for people to consider when choosing a flight simulator is the kind of flying they want to do. I fly VFR and used to use X-Plane 11; however, that sim needed me either to make my own ortho files (which was very time consuming) or to buy ortho products (which was very expensive). The upshot of this was that I was limited in the areas I could practice true VFR navigation using real-world charts. Microsoft Flight Simulator gives me ortho of virtually the whole world and, to be honest, the flight dynamics in MSFS are now so much improved that it made sense for me to stop using X-Plane and fly solely in MSFS.
Hey Rich, yea, perfectly said.... I use x-plane for the higher level of customization myself, but for a VFR pilot that just needs solid graphics, MSFS is def the way to go.
Autoortho is a new and so much simpler addon that resolve this problem.
I tried both. MSFS is increasingly game oriented. A lot of fun, if you are into that. As an actual pilot, instructor, and aviation geek, I’d go with XPlane without hesitation. The devotion to REALISM is paramount in XPlane.
Thanks! As a gamer, I can see where MSFS would be a great option, good graphics, just a fun time flying around different places. As a pilot, I want realism and training and accurate avionics that all work together just like the real aircraft. I can't wait to try out the gamification they have in MSFS 2024, but am currently still on X-Plane....
FS2004 all the way for me. 60fps all the time- every time, near instant boot up, lots of good content, and runs on my potato PC like a dream
Haha, potato PC, that’s awesome. When I was at the sim expo, the boots and restarts on msfs were painful, maybe they had some rotten taters…..
same here. still using FS 2004. i even just bought brand new virpil hotas. throttle, stick and pedals. the only downside is with these new controls it took a long time and fsuipc to get them to work. even then i still have a slight turn to the left the second i take off. so i am working on that. I am leaning towards X-plane 11. for my new sim if i can not figure out the roll issue with my controls and FS9. i can not justify the 500 price increase for x plane 12. it can not be that much better than 11
I have over 400 hours in VR using MSFS. As a "casual" flight simmer, vr has been a game changer. You don't need 3 monitors, control panels, etc... all you need is a hotas, some pedals and a headset. You still need a powerful pc with a high end graphics card. I have only purchased some seasonal foliage add ons and a few stol planes. Again, I am the kind of player that only wants to fly in interesting weather, explore interesting terrain and airports etc. MSFS gives you a good bang for the buck for more casual flying.
Everyone is different I enjoy both but my preference is xplane 12 that's why I love the choice
For sure, if I were starting over today, I'd probably do X-Plane 12...
xplane 12 cd . has GNU support, and I think i want to add. i guess it costs about the same as me yearly av medical
I've been in all this for 25 years. If you are a young person, you'd better go with MSFS. Because you should visit thousands of airports all around the globe. It is an exploration of the whole world. However. It will always be a July day (January in the Southern Hemisphere.) There are no seasons in the MSFS. You can "make up" snow. But it won't be real weather.
X Plane creates an atmosphere. There are great mountains there, the right major roads, and coastlines. But it is not photo-realistic. It's not supposed to be.
Some default airports are good (like LTFM/IST.) Some others (like HECA/CAI) are very basic. However, runways and taxiways are all right.
Aircraft models are completely different. In my view, they are more realistic in X Plane. Not perfect (not enough inertia, for example) but more realistic.
perfectly said... I do a lot of instrument flights in my sim, so the additional customization I wanted was best with X-Plane,.... also I've just been an x-plane user for like a decade, too...
Wow. this is the most concise explanation and comparison i was looking for and you did it in a paragraph. Thanks for this!
As a guy who only loves small props... MFS 2020 is the only way to heaven.
Ha, yea that would make sense…
MSFS has live weather as well as whatever weather setting you want...not justy july day...windy as hell in my home airport all the time...
Use both!!!
I run X Plane 12 on a Ryzen 7 2700x, 16 GB DDR4, GTX 1070, 1 TB NVME SSD running Linux Mint 21.2. Very happy with the performance. I run medium to high settings and am getting 30 to 45 FPS the majority of the time.
Awesome thanks for dropping your specs here…. Just curious, they ever fix the cloud resolution in xp12? I couldn’t get past their 8bit clouds and they still look like that in the demo.
@@flightsimguides The latest beta, 12.06R3 the clouds look much better. They still need to be improved but it is a huge improvement over what we had in X Plane 11.
Thats nice! I run X plane 12 on a I7 8086k, 32 GB RAM, 1080ti 12 GB and on a SSD 970 EVO 2 TB. Using medium settings. When I'm in EHAM from FlyTampa using auto ortho / X-world and world traffic I only got a FPS from 14 to 20.. When Im somewere far away I got 35+ FPS.. I think I need to build another PC
I've used both. Currently sufferring with MSFS 2020. Load time is 5 min. plus, from a solid state card. I do love the graphics and ability to explore the world. The biggest piece of advice is if you want training and to master the operation of planes, use Xplane. If you want good simulation of planes, but primarily want scenery, use MSFS 2020. Both are good sims....
I honestly prefer MSFS for a few reasons, VFR, I can’t do VFR in Xplane as well as I can in MSFS, weather, I’ve had a better experience with weather in MSFS than Xplane 11, and because I genuinely enjoy it more that Xplane 11, that being said, I still fly in both sims, better physics in Xplane so I will find myself flying Xplane whenever I want to fly a floatplane or do realistic maneuvering, I enjoy and respect both sims.
Well said….
Dear SIR, Thank you. As an equaly biased Macuser, would'ved sused in a fraction on Mac Platform ,...so ...thank you , and the fact for my 67th birthday I was presented by my family, a Logitech Yoke, 3 Throttle ancillary Control Leavers. An 'I Think' P.C......ohhhh!!! this suff brings me back to the years of DOS ! ....however all that stuff iz history...I believe my requirements shall need the ultimate features of both simulation programmes . Thank you sincerely, yours in Perfect Flying Conditions, Perfect Aircraft, Perfect Crew and Passengers and Cargo.Succesful flying....'Axel1' my pilot name.
Thanks Axel1, glad you found the video topic helpful!
X plane for realism, Flight simulator 2020 for eye candy. Flight simulator 2020 is for the X box crowed so realism is not a priority.
Love X-Plane BUT ... MSFS has them beat with VR. What I really want is both ... combined ... LOL
right, I think X-Plane 12 has a promising future, I want to get everything working on that and go all in on 12.... I can't get over the weird looking cloud visuals. And def want to try VR at some point.
I wish these videos had an easy date stamp on them, so we could tell how dated the information is.
We are already on MSFS 2024 and Xplane 12
Windows 10 is much easier to use than Mac once you see it and use it. It has a ton more stuff it can do. Skip Windows 11 !!!
Good video, good advice, thanks!
Glad u found it helpful…. Info is maybe 9 mos old, but if I remade this vid today, the information wouldn’t be much different tbh….
Im a private pilot. For GA scenery go with xbox.
I use Microsoft Flight Plane.
Haha
My mom is making a flight sim video too! Just like everyone else . Stay tuned!
Good informative video. I fly MSFS2020/XP12 and DCS. All three are good for different types of aircraft and all three are improving as time and tech get better.
I bought both because they were cheap enough. It seems I get to actually fly a lot more in X-plane because in MSFS I spend most of my time in settings trying to figure out why the throttle doesn't work, or the trim, or the mixture settings stopped. Very frustrating in MSFS.
Good to know for sure.... thanks!
Couldn’t agree more. I’m always spending too much time navigating the settings trying to figure out why MY auto throttle just sets my engines to idle mid flight, why my speed brakes won’t go over past the first increment, why my f-18 randomly pitches down in an uncontrollable dive, etc. With X-Plane, it’s instant compatibility.
I''m with you! I have 3 different Sidewinder Microsoft joysticks, and I had difficulty making the throttle work. Why Microsoft hardware not supported by Microsoft software?! I gave up. I don't want to buy $1000 worth of throttles, joystick, and pedals.
Xplane 12 and it's not even close... FS2020 feels more like an arcade game
It’s funny how ppl say xplane for ifr msfs for vfr, i just want to know what’s the difference between both flight sims on pilot edge using a c 172.
I’m a student pilot and msfs looks and feel closer to the real thing. Flying is all about scenic views ifr or vfr.
Isn’t that why we all want a window seat ? 😆
When using pilot edge, you may not see a big difference, it's just used for radio communication with a virtual atc...
Regards to why I recommend X-Plane for IFR flying...
Both X-Plane Flight Simulator and Microsoft Flight Simulator have their strengths and weaknesses when it comes to IFR (Instrument Flight Rules) flying. However, it is important to note that the choice between the two ultimately depends on personal preferences and requirements. Here are some reasons why some users might consider X-Plane Flight Simulator better for IFR flying:
Flight Model and Realism: X-Plane is renowned for its flight physics and realistic aircraft behavior. It simulates the aerodynamic forces and aircraft handling more accurately, which can be beneficial for IFR flying where precise control and instrument interpretation are crucial.
Detailed Instrument Systems: X-Plane offers a wide range of highly detailed and accurately simulated aircraft systems, including instrument panels and avionics. This level of realism can enhance the IFR experience by providing more accurate instrument readings, realistic autopilot functionality, and simulated failures.
Third-Party Add-Ons: X-Plane has a vibrant community of third-party developers who create and release high-quality add-ons such as aircraft, scenery, and plugins. These add-ons often include highly realistic IFR-focused aircraft and instruments, allowing users to further enhance their IFR flying experience with more advanced features and systems.
Customization and Flexibility: X-Plane provides users with extensive customization options, allowing them to tailor the simulator to their specific needs. This flexibility is particularly valuable for IFR flying, where pilots often have different preferences regarding the layout of their instrument panels, the availability of specific avionics, or the inclusion of custom charts and navigation databases.
Training and Education: X-Plane is widely used in aviation training and education due to its realism and accurate flight modeling. Many flight schools and professional pilots utilize X-Plane as a tool for practicing IFR procedures, honing instrument interpretation skills, and simulating complex scenarios. The availability of realistic IFR add-ons and the ability to create custom training scenarios make X-Plane a popular choice in this regard.
While X-Plane offers advantages for IFR flying, it's worth mentioning that Microsoft Flight Simulator also has its strengths, such as stunning visual graphics, a massive selection of worldwide scenery, and an active user base. Ultimately, both simulators have their unique features, and the choice depends on individual preferences, priorities, and specific requirements for IFR flying.
Hope this helps.
@@flightsimguides Wauit about mods I thought they swapped? Me: looks up X-plane mods and finds X-plane org is still going and have tons of content even for X-plane 12! Wow feels like home as I have not used this site in uyears... So yeah thanks you for pointing it out! Maybe a video comparing MSFS 2020's and XP12's modding communities together but free and paid?
X-Plane can run on more than just Windows and Mac. It also runs on Linux. So open-source techies/aficionados are also covered!
Very true….
I congratulate you, not everyone who makes videos about simulators objectively talks about the characteristics of each one. I think that X Plane 11 is very good and X Plane 12 improved, but they changed the physical engine and the plane wobbles even if there is no wind or turbulence. I hope they correct this, because I uninstalled it for that, for being unreal like MS Flight Sim 2020.
Yea I noticed that. I mentioned it to the folks at the x-plane 12 booth at the sim conference but I’m pretty sure they didn’t care, lol…. But I agree, I’m still on xp11 for the time being due to flight characteristics. Too loose on xp12 for me.
Excellent video, highly informative, many thanks!
I use both X-Plane 12 and MSFS2020 but XP the most (because of the Airliners B747 classic, Rotate MD-11, Toliss A340-600) . Also, DCS World (excellent war bird simulator) I'd take more Flight Simulators if they make them. If they make them, I will buy them. LOL
I would love to participate in this mate, but unfortunately for me living in Australia the time difference doesnt work. For what it is worth, I am an avid X-Plane supporter and that is mainly driven by the flexibility it provides to cockpit builders, particularly if you have a fully enclosed rig as I do. All the best with the stream as I am sure will be an interesting discussion.
Hey, thanks so much for the comment, I fully agree! For the DIY'er, XP is the way to go, lot of flexibility if you know how to harness it.
Thank you for the video. Just comming with my few coins.
For a new user, i would always say get MFS, it's just more streamlined and can even play on an Xbox and it is future proof. And really it is a lot cheaper to run MFS in the long run.
While Xp is a nice product and definetely has it's things over MFS in areas like systems and flight model on certain planes, one thing you really need to take into acount here is the investment and development.
XP is a small project that does not really evolve that fast. MFS on the other hand is pumping out large updates very often both in content and core updates, which should raise the question, where will both sims be in 5-10 years from now.
As well as content wise, more devs will go for MFS since the market is just a LOT larger which also means that prices go down. For example the 736 that is available for just 35 (an oddball for now but still)
While MFS definetely needs the competition, i just am not confient in XP being able to keep up. And i am quite sure that the pro's XP has over MFS will get smaller and at some point perhaps irrelevant.
Note that i am probably pretty biassed having played MS sims for years and very little XP (and lots of combat sims). And today i fly MFS and DCS mostly (close to 2000hrs on each title) with some IL-2 on the side.
Also i should add, MFS can be played for "free" on xbox and PC gamepass if one already owns that.
Hey, thanks so much for the input, yea, I definitely agree, a new user not sure where they are going would be best off with MFS. MSFS will be a much simpler, easier to use system, XP is robust as crap, but yet small... So small and mighty... :-), and allows more options for a lot of DIY builds for folks a lot smarter than me to build and develop and make extension style updates third party. Thanks!
Feel like does that prefer x-plane are the ones who already invested much time and money in the simulator. They seem to be somewhat protective over their investment.
Should have waited 2 weeks before making this video lol.
haha, right... just made a reaction vid for MSFS 2024, should be live, soon....
Flight simmer for 10 years and started with FSX, moved to XPlane 11 and currently, I only use MSFS 2020. Pro’s and con’s for each however flying in VR with MSFS takes the immersion factor to a whole new level that can’t be duplicated in XPlane. Additionally, with XPlane, you’ll spend a more money on payware scenery and aircraft and that is already included with the Premium version of MSFS.
That doesn’t make sense. Orthos for XP are free. And default airports look better than in MSFS. I have spent way more for MSFS that is a money machine.
@@frankbyte yea I would agree that you probably will spend more in msfs than xplane because msfs have far more add-on products available for the fact that developers see that it has a far higher user pool. Over 10million chances to make a sale have to be attractive for addon Developers. I’m one of them Everytime there is a sale on one of these marketplaces I buy so much scenery and I buy some of the more expensive addon planes I got the TFdi MD11 for $80 that’s not even released yet. 🤦🏾♂️ but the thing with xplane is the visuals I fly VR 95% of the time even with autoortho x plane at 7000 ft look like msfs at FL430 there is just no comparison visually right now msfs runs away with that. With sim haven and ortho it definitely looks nicer but it’s still not on the level of terrain, tree coverage, road layout wise as msfs. Autoortho shows that there might be hope to continue to grind it up graphically tho and I do like how sim haven do the structure msfs do need to implement a tech like sim haven as some of the building photogrammetry be trippy. I’ll be using both sims because between the two sims they have enough planes to satisfy my OnAir company subscription which gives me so much places to fly to and different type of missions. Once my new 2tb m.2 drive arrive I’ll be putting X-plane 12 on it so each sim will be on their own m.2 drive.
@@youngsmooth8318 Thanks for your comment. Everyone can judge what he likes the most. I personnally don‘t use MSFS anymore, because stuff like lacking inertia or missing turbulences in stormy clouds or flightmodel being a bit off are just a no-go for me. The core statement i made was the default airports that are better modelled in general in XP and don’t make me spend that much money for airports addons like i spent with MSFS.
Both
I uninstalled X-Plane 11 the day MSFS 2020 was released. There is no comparison.
I'll be a first-day MSFS 2024 buyer as well - it looks amazing.
What do you use your sim for most? Training? Just messing about and seeing the sights?
I seriously find MSFS to be a bad sim, a step back compared to what we had before with P3D/XP. Except the graphics of course. For me it’s a big disappointment. There are soooo many things missing. Since XP12 came out I opened MSFS 3-4 times but just cannot…
@@flightsimguides bet sight seeing flights:). There’s now the A2a Comanche out for msfs which is better then like all general aviation aircraft for xplane. It’s amazing, it handles exactly and when I mean exactly I mean exactly like the real thing, it models cylinders and engine, (literal engineers can study off this aircraft) it can get damaged and is a literal live breathing aircraft. I hope you check it out when you get fs2020/24 installed.
why not both? :)
A very logical option for sure.... ;-)
@@activex7327 Which one is your choice sim?
Which ever crashes to desktop the least. 😂
Thank you for giving me more advise on x plane cuz I was confused which one to choose but now I know and can you make a video of xp11 & xp12 which one to choose
Hey, sure I do need to make that video for sure. I haven't yet cause I haven't been real blown away by the flight characteristics of XP12. Since they now are increasing the prices of XP12, I could make the plunge and go all in and get it all setup and do an educated comparison of the two, that'd be a good one. XP12 will come along I believe (once they fix their crappy looking clouds situation). If you are just now getting started in simming, I'd just go with XP12 and start working your peripherals into that system. I set everything up with XP11 and it all worked so I didn't bother much with XP12 cause I knew I'd run into issues with it being so new. So far the clouds and the loose flight characteristics have turned me off, but that might be adjustable.
MSFS through Steam doesn’t work on my machine, keeps crashing. My computer is well above the minimum spec’, everything is up to date, I have tried all the recommended trouble shooting procedures, nothing works - no point suggesting anything.
DCS works perfectly but I want to practice modern civilian navigation methods using Little NavMap. Do you think XPlane 12 would be a good choice?
Hey, I'm not too familiar with littlenavmap, but according to their website (made in late 1980's), it should work with xplane 11 and 12.
@@flightsimguides Thanks for replying. I've been playing with the demo version and think I'll buy it tomorrow. Steam refunded the money for MSFS so that was good.
@@glennet9613 certainly…. Buying msfs? Or littlenavmap? Looked like LNM was a free open source deal job so don’t pay too much or it’s prob a scam.
@@flightsimguides Sorry I was unclear. I meant buying XPlane depended on it working with LNM. LNM is free.
No choice for me, my AMD RX7900XTX Gpu is crashing X-Plane 12 (or X-Plane 12 crashes the GPU)
:-( something keeps randomly crashing my xp11 occasionally…. So I hear ya….
FSX flight simulator it's a best of flight simulator in 2006 to 2016 year but when the xplane come in the simulator for flight I like it . Xplane is best and I like it msfs to but Microsoft big with FSX and now it's very hard fight Microsoft and xplane ❤ I think xplane is beter
I chose xplane12 over msfs only because of physics I want to be a pilot in the future for the a321 and for me it flies so much better than in msfs. I'm not a pilot or anything but I talk to some via insta and I have seen that they use xp12 for their flights.
For msfs I will only go on it if I feel like it's a relaxed day and let's see a bit of the world but flying in there is very responsive to the sudestick I have even when I changed the settings to what they should be. Overall I chose xplane12 way over any over SIM as if your looking to fly in the real world it better to use as like I said because of physics, the way the aircraft behaves.
Now what your saying here is wrong somewhat wrong in regards to flight modeling. I bet you didn’t take time to look into the Fenix a320. Rather you just compared toliss to fbw or default 320. ( or maybe you did and have different opinions and that’s ok). Some pilots may still prefer xp12 for serious use. Xplane may seem more accurate to some but Microsoft have implemented a modern fluid dynamic system which is more modern compared to the outdated blade element theory (xplane). Not to mention Fenix and lots of the third party developers has managed to work around the sims limitations. Trust me, in the real aircraft you’d barely find a difference between toliss and Fenix. Let’s put it this way, if you think xplane is far superior in-terms of flight modelling some people might of told you that as they have 0 flight hours and just spread the message around to make there sim feel better. The changes are so minimal aswell as avionics that graphics and sate light scenery nock xplane out of the ball park. Sure you can get ortho4xp but that just isnt sufficient due to the amount of space it takes up. X-plane might be a few steps up in terms of flight modeling and avionics but Microsoft will eventually overcome it. However I do agree xplanes ground handling is much better. For you I’d reccomend msfs, great for future pilots and guess what, by the time you start flying the 320 family fslabs will come out with there 320 line up for msfs which is awesome and the best airbuses on the market! Better then ff toliss Fenix and many more. I’d only reccomend xplane at this very moment if you are flying general aviation and is flying a plane that is not available for msfs yet. Or the other audience, if you want to get your sim faa certified and want to squeeze as much realism in terms of flight modeling and avionics you can out of a consumer grade sim. I don’t feel you are in either group but decide for yourself. If you disagree with my opinion that’s so fine and you do what you prefer! I still fly xp for the ch65, 321, 350, torque sim sr22. It’s totally up to you, this is just my take on it.
If you got up to here thanks for reading! There both great sims and enjoy each one:)
Tbh, if you want the most realistic Airbus simulation experience P3d would be the best. I know toliss may seem good and real life Airbus pilots fly it but the acars and mcdu depth isn’t there. I’m a real pilot and use all sims. It doesn’t matter what a real pilot flies, it doesn’t make the sim any more realistic. For example v1 simulations prefers the Fenix over toliss 320neo and so does 320 sim pilot. However if you really want to fly a 321 and can’t afford P3d or fslabs in that matter ( it cost a lot) I guess xplane would be the right choice for you. At the end of the day the toliss does feel the best and that might be some peoples priority. At the end of the day it’s up to you and your personal preference hope these two comments help and I wish you luck with your dreams of being and Airbus pilot :)
@@majoraviatior1611 damn bro you really went on it, and I wasn't brainwashed in any way these are just my opinions and my feeling in the aircraft I have also looked deeply into the Fenix a320 because I did a few flights with it and the toliss just feels better even if mcdu isn't in deeply it doesnt effect the flight it's just to print things out or get wether info.
Im sick of people saying msfs os a arcade style game, the physics aremt bad and if anything xplane has crash animations and msfs 2024 is removing the guns off the foghter jets, provimg that they are a simulation
msfs not bad, I realized you can turn off the copilot functions and it acts more "normal" in terms of flight characteristics. The lead-in to a flight is kind of arcade like now that you mention it. All cut scenes and everything, and I'm like, "dude, I just want to fly, give me the sticks"... I might add the RV10 to it and see how it works. Why would they take the guns off the fighter jets? That sounds more like a societal coercion that Microsoft bowed down to....
@@flightsimguides maybe, just because they dont want violence so they take them off
I use both. I even use P3D every now and then. 🤷♂️
MSFS will have the higher growth potential. The funding backing behind it is crazy we know Microsoft bag is insane. They will have the funds to keep teams of developers working to continuously improve the product. You see that with things like bringing gliders into the sim; the wind dynamics and turbulence improved dramatically. They also rolled it out for Xbox this is big because it dramatically increase their market share and consumer Base this makes msfs extremely attractive to 3rd party developers. With that single move they now have a larger pool of customers to market and sell their product to so developer will surely go to work on creating products for MSFS. There is already a crazy amount of custom scenery for msfs and product coming out that is aiming to be extremely high fidelity. X-plane currently have the better flight model but that gap is rapidly closing and with the popularity of msfs amongst content creators I’m sure Microsoft is hearing that criticism of the flight model and is likely hell bent on getting it resolved. One thing I will say. It’s a great time to be a flight simmer im excited to see where things go.
You say that, and yet Microsoft took FSX off the market when it was the best at the time. Why not take some time to learn the history?
MSFS for the win, the core engine is supreme compared to anything else. If you want more advanced flight models use payware aircraft instead of the default bundle aircraft. Microsoft and Asobo have taken flight sims to the next level, even out the box it's insanely good. I dont see anyone catching up with the tech and near unlimited resources. MSFS2024 will blow their prevous product out the water. Exciting times for simmers... if you use MSFS.
Yea, with MSFS 2024 on the horizon, I might try setting my rig up for that....
Very VERY true
Absolutely X plane 12😅
No right or wrong here! Thanks! What do you like best about xplane 12?
@@flightsimguides Aircraft control is closer to reality and physics, and I heard that some aviation institutes are accredited with them, a lot of people are impressed with MFS2020 because of the scenery and graphics quality. But x plane went beyond that with Autoortho. In the end, in my opinion, MFS is for gamers.
I wish MSF20 soon to be MSF24 improve roads highways like x planes has a well renders road and good ai cars on roads plus drivable car If city car driving was real worldwide earth simulator game would be cool not only car but boats, trains buses etc why is this still flight why another 20 years. This would be called simulator just real world simulator.
What happened to P3D? As far as I am concerned, it got the most complex aircraft with lots of technical depth, like the FlightSimLabs A320.
I use P3D the most over MSFS. My favorite sim ever. In my opinion, the best out there. Definitely way better then XP12
I've not used P3D, yet, but I might be able to check it out at some point in the future and do a review for sure.... I've just been using x-plane for over 10 years now, but I'm sure P3D is a good alternative, just make sure any external devices and software you use are compatible.
P3D is easily an updated MSFS' ESP platform. It was never intended for home use from the get go anyway. When Lockheed Martin bought the rights from Microsoft, they were under the agreement that the software won't be used for personal entertainment. But there we go, they have been enjoying the market that Microsoft turned a blind eye upon.
As far as the platform itself: they are largely supported by its established add-ons, other than that, the simulation engine is extremely outdated. LM styled it as training sim that also features submarine and land vehicles.
@@yohannessulistyo4025 Would not be surprised if MFS 2020 core is sold to Lockheed Martin after MFS 2024 comes out. LM can then take MFS 2020 to FAA approval and head down the RW Flight Sim pathway instead of gamer Xbox pathway. I am RW pilot and instructor.
@@pilottech9141I’m not sure what parallel universe your in but imho the hotstart challenger is much superior to fslabs 320. I’ve been a loyal P3d and fslabs user for over 5 years now but it aged extremely as soon as Fenix 320 came out. Xplane handles much more realistically in my opinion to prepared as P3d just feels like fsx on steroids. It feels on rails, doesn’t get effected by weather as much as real life and feels a bit more artificial compared to xplane which feels a bit natural. If your looking for 320 systems then yeah but if your looking for the all rounder fs2020 all the way since there’s Fenix fbw and fslabs are working on the series for msfs. Xplane also has toliss which has a weather radar and circuit breakers. That is great since Fenix doesn’t have a weather radar and fslabs doesn’t have circuit breakers modelled. The only downside to the toliss is the mcdu depth. It’s no way near as good as Fenix or fslabs. But in terms of aircraft handling toliss all the way. Sorry for giving you a whole essay but I’m very into this topic as I’ve experienced all airbuses from aerosoft to Fenix am in the process of a 320 type rating
In the '90s/'00 I started with playing my Dad's MSFSes and while I did have fun and did learn a few things beyond the Learjets I had not craft I really liked... Then a dacade later I discovered that X-plane 9 had the mythical aurora which I always loved and huge modding support. So after only playing flight games and simcades between MSFS2000 and when I got X-plane 9 and man was it so good! The varitry of aircraft and each felt good thanks to the engine and I flew it for years till I stopped to do my TH-cam with other games/sims/simcades I have returned to GA sims and just got both MSFS 2020 and X-plaqne 12 I have not tried XP12 yet as I've been having fun in MSFS2020 even with it's oddities like having an simple interface to change controls but not the best Controller support in the world if you want to use it as a HOTAS like in DCS World, Warthunder and Ace Combat 7... Like it has no toggles just "Set" which is really odd choice for a sim on console to. But anyway I plan on doing both but MSFS has my attention do to the great mod support and just having such good bones also being really pretty. Edit: It seem XP org is still going strong so maybvy their equal now? If equal can even be achived since you can use XP7 and up mods in XP12 I presume?
Whoa, your flight sim journey sounds like an epic adventure! It's awesome that you've come full circle and returned to GA sims with MSFS 2020 and X-plane 12. Hope you have a blast exploring the skies with these sims!
xplane is a simulator. msfs just another game
I have windows 11 , is there anyone having problems with windows 11 or should i put windows 10 on it ,I dont want to mess up a 2500$$ computer
I'm on Windows 10, it's all working, so I just never upgraded. Not interested to find out what stops working, lol...
Im on WIn11 and MSFS, everything's great. At least 32GB of RAM has been massive improvement for performance for me (upgraded from 16GB).
One problem with MSFS 2020: Oh=Obozo or whatever their name is are terrible developers. It took them a year just to learn how to apply a patch. The first year the install process was a joke making OBozo look like clowns.
I'm on Linux, so I can't play MSFS because steam detects the pirated copy, and also, I found my flight stick at a garage sale for free, so I may be cheap, but X plane 11 is far easier to pirate, or should I say "pilot"
Awesome, happy simming....
Windows 11??!
I'm still using Windows 10, but 11 should work fine. I like to stick with what works. Upgrading could cause compatibility issues.
I just starting
Computer coming with 11
I glad it will work
Thanks for help
@Keltic D Oh wow, that sucks, yea, I'm happy with 10, my system works, I don't plan to upgrade unless I have to.
Thought I would give Xplane 12 another try, but after spending a whole day down loading it, trying to set it up, buying my Favorite A320, I finely with some effort got the settings kind of correct only to find I had to download a heap of plugins to get my flight underway then only to find I could not get a pushback for the life of me. Apparently you need another plugin. So disappointed.
Msfs is better for everything
it might be, just curious, what's your reasoning?
@@flightsimguides Data Bing, Marketplace, Avionique, Réalisme Turbulences, Realisme comportement Aircraft, Touch down Aircraft....... Price of Addon , And Addon free msfs ..........and update everytime for everything
@@salahrais7558 bad camera system, no instant replay function, blurry avionics in VR, no virtual keyboard in VR (necessary to type something), completely pointless placement of the menu in VR. I bought MSFS and wasted 120€.
@@salahrais7558 I would say for everything….
X plane 12 ,it is not new simulator , just update for x plane 11 and not Big update , now x plane 11 with addon ( x envir, orbx ...) Stable and better than x plane12
P3D without a doubt. Simples.
I’d say P3d is a bit outdated. And physics aren’t quite there compared to msfs and xp. I love the qw and fslabs though
X=plane is a dead sim. All 3rd party developers have moved on to MSFS. The notion that only X-plane has study level game play is outdated. Let's be real.
We are real.. sorry with respect you're talking baseless facts....
Xplane is not dead. Stop listening to content creators , and marketing hype for msfs. Open your eyes.think for yourself man..
@@chrisadishVery few people evidently understand that process anymore😎
Only mfs2020 x plane is dead😮😮
X -plane is dead, thanks to the arrogance of its creator.
Xp is a joke
why so?
you obviously didn't fly sims in the 90's cause XP is one hell of an improvement, lol... My video explains my reasons on why I chose XP, I'm not here to debate it. Everyone makes their choices, so just enjoy whatever sim you want, dude....
Yeah. Until your Internet connection goes when their servers go mad.its too online dependent. The server goes msfs is like a dead brick. That's why I have the other sims.p3d xplane 11 and 12❤❤
Don't put all your eggs in one basket!!😅
AGREED, thank you!! I have all xp11 12 and p3d and I enjoy them all. Dust is collecting on my msfs.
I'm like u simming since the 90s!!
I have xp 11 and 12 and I use both extensively.
Xp11 stays because my favourite jetliner are not ready for 12 yet.
I have invested more stuff in xplane than all rhe others and I love every bit of it.
Last week I got the a300 on sale from inibuilds...
❤❤❤❤ love that plane man!!! Fedex and ups hauling galore!!
Honestly for any PC that can run Windows 11 I would suggest that as it's pretty much in current year what windows 10 should have been.... it's also an just an update not a new edition I have no idea why it's marketed that way...
Windows 11: The "Oops, we should have done this earlier" edition! But hey, better late than never, right?
I am running on a Mac. The answer was only choice. So far, it runs very smooth and fast.
Awesome, glad to hear it! And it’s very possible to run a sim on a Mac and have it be a solid sim. It might limit some possibilities, but nothing game breaking.