BATTLETECH: The Shogun
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- Perhaps one #Battletech #Battlemech that frankly feels out of place, this #StarLeague era #Assaultmech fought for the #WolfsDragoons in the #ClanInvasion and #SuccessionWars across the Inner Sphere, despite the mech originally being from the #TerranHegemony.
Now nearly extinct, save for one #Clan variant, the Shogun may one day be entering the dustbin of history.
Let's go over it here.
It's not bad. It's just middling.
#InnerSphere #Mercenary #Mercenaries #Seafox
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Terran Hegemony: "it's called the Shogun"
Draconis Combine: "but that's our thing"
Terran Hegemony: *pointing at actual Japan*
I must admit with a name like Shogun i would have thought it was a Drac mech.
I always endorse having japanese stuff in earther militaries in every sci Fi.
Sure kuritans are space japan but the real japanese are still on earth
The fact that Wolf's Dragoons managed to become as feared and revered as they are, with Mechs this aggressively mediocre, is a testament to how good their pilots are.
Even if the mechs as a whole were nothing special, they were up to star League era par. Putting them ahead of technology during the later succession wars, often having better engines and heatsinks. More along the lines of constar mechs rather than house mechs.
They are clanners
Yes, Wolf's Dragoons were Clan... BUT... they were NOT the genetically enhanced breeds. For the most part, the members of Wolf's Dragoons were Freebirth warriors, with a sprinkling of Trueborns. And yes, the Dragoons fielded ALL Star League Era Mechs, including the tech that went into them. Add to this the fact that each, and every one of them were even more highly trained than was Inner Sphere standard, and you get a Merc Unit that surpasses expectations.
@@franksmedley7372 Even free born clanners are better than the average inner sphere mech warriors which many clans love to point out. You make them into a group and it’s no wonder the clans beat inner sphere units every time.
@@Alex-pj8nz : Ah, now we get into that whole, 'quality of life' thing. Clanners can expect a 'working life' of around 10 to 15 years, max, before they are rotated to Solahama units. They spend their entire lives centered around combat, and ONLY combat. IS pilots, have 'lives', other than combat. Yeah, if I took an IS kid, from birth, and trained him like a Clanner... He'd end up about as good in the end. But the poor boy would have no life outside of Combat. Plus, the brutal training methods of the Clans is considered 'torture' in the IS.
I'm genuinely astonished that this isn't a Kuritan mech, given its name. How interesting.
The most iconic Shogun moment is when, in redemption rites, a couple of random clan wolf scouts see a Shogun and wonder what the hell it even is.
The Terran Hegemony has more than a few designs with Japanese names; aside from the Shogun there is the Kyudo battlemech the Samurai aerospace fighter and the Kimagure warship. I don't think Terran Japanese were at all happy with the Combine's insanity. Consider also all the planets across the Inner Sphere and Periphery with Japanese names. ⛩
Same applies to New Kyoto in Lyran space. They're a lot closer to RL Japanese than the Combine and feel disgust/shame at what happened to their culture over the border.
In sci fi people tend to assume that earthers are just americans or westerners but the actual Japan is still on earth lol.
Kuritans are space japan, actual japan is still on earth, same goes for davions and france or steiners and Germany.
Sure steiners speak german but the actual germans are in the terran hegemony
I yelled out "SHOGUN DESUUUUUUU!!!" and immediately was immediately looked at weirdly. I blame Wayne Waco.
I completely forgot this mech existed until this video link was posted. That says all I need to say about it.
You can tell that the Wolf Dragoons had to look down deep into the storage bays of the Clan Castle Brians to break these Units out.
It would be somewhat fitting if these were left-overs from the Pentagon Worlds Castle Brians.
From good ole Sarna: "Though built for close combat, the weapons payload on the Shogun is built for long range combat."
...I gave a flat what upon reading that part of the entry.
It’s like some corporate suit in a company somewhere said “Hey! Let’s build a stalker but with punchy arms this time! On a low budget.
He may disappear soon, but never shall his Battle cry be silenced!
"Meh, ..."
This really seems like a mech with a lot of potential that is being wasted due to their just not being enough of them for anyone to care. Simply swapping the heat sinks would do a lot for the ammo issue, getting back both seven tons and having better heat management.
Indeed, keep in mind the Wolf's Dragoons did use this to great effect, it just needs a factory to update it.
If you made a next gen version that could shake the difficult to maintain quirk, I could see it doing well enough to be worth using more.
Double heat sinks would be preferred, but you could also dump the jump jets to increase ammo and heat sinking to make it more serviceable.
Hmm, plugged some numbers for SHG-2F (ie the one with the ER-PPC) to convert it to a possible SHG-2G Changes: 17 singles (17) > 15 doubles (30), 2 Tons more LRM ammo (4). The location of the DSH is LT/RT and then 1 in LA/RA. Nice crit padding, lots of ammo. Can fire at long range and use its Jump jets with no worry about heat (-2), and in close where the LRM/ER-PPC/SRM's all converge (Alpha), standing still it over heats by 3 or 4 if walking. If the range closes again, then SRM's and ER-PPC at close range it can once again fire these and jump with no heat issue (-4).
All in all, a 'minor' change to the SHG-2F in the grand scheme, but it becomes a bit of a lord of war... a shogun :p
[BTW - Its tricky to balance but the double Large laser package is interesting for the PPC version, and slapping in a HPPC+Capacitor is amusing too. However as its an assault mech and slow, I felt the 'SHG-2G' is a vastly better balanced mech with an ER-PPC for all ranges and paired long and short range and a most excellent Alpha.]
@@paulsim7589 Add on a pair of enhances LRM's and it brings a nasty surprise for anyone looking to close with the Shogun.
Given the armor, armament, ammo bins and quirks, I think the mech was designed to empty the LRM bins on the way in, and then use the other weapons (and the now-free arms) to dish out damage up close.
The problem is its minimum range on the PPC means it can't get too close, and the ER PPC lacks this problem is way too hot for no double heat sinks.
I don't know why, but I like it.
Sort of like fighting a newbie in a combat sport. You're more likely to get injured than sparring with someone experience because the newbie doesn't know not to do something stupid. Doing something stupid tends to work once.
Friend once fielded it as part of an experiment. That fight was certainly hilarious and not because the Shogun was trying to keep up with the rest.
ooooof lol
Their Centurion power slid off the map in turn 1, a sign of what was to come for that game. Thank you asphalt.
I remember someone bringing a custom model of a shogun to a game we were using mediums only again and as it turns out he brought out the shogun as a test to see if we knew what it was. We didn't. We just assumed it was a big medium model. Then he whapped us with a sheet of it and our Mech Master was like 'How is this an assault?' we decided to make it a boss fight with custom Star League Era updates. The resulting mech had a lot of positive quirks for that one fight.
The Clan Sea Fox one is made for sale to Mercs, probably purple parrot aligned ones for the most part. They do not use it themselves. And being a Sea Fox mech, it is essentially an Inner Sphere product.
I have loved the Shogun since the original Technical Readout 3050. Never was able to use one effectively (they also seem to blow up from crits to the ammo) but it just seems cool. It's a Catapult (my favorite mech) with more weapons.
I like the Shogun :) Its kind of a bigger Crusader. I'm a little surprised that the Dragoons didn't pass on one of theirs to Blackwell INdustries to reverse engineer - its not like it uses anything particularly proprietary, afterall, and BI has shown itself to be quite versatile. Heck, they could improve on it a little by swapping out the PPC for a Large Laser, and add 2 tons of LRM ammunition - makes it easier to manage heat-wise while increasing its battlefield presence.
Though I should note, as a lifetime merc, when it comes to ammo-dependent weapons I rarely take a short unless the roll is 7+
I found out about the Shogun because of the 2015 Battletech Alpha Strike boxed sets. I like it because it was almost unique for being an #1 Jump-Capable, #2 Assault, #3 Missile Boat. That was rare then, and is still rare into the IlClan era.
Its lore is interesting. Its extinct as far as I know. It was one of those saved designs thanks to the Clans handing them over to the Wolf's Dragoons, but unlike the others it was never handed over to Blackwell Industries for mass-production.
Somehow its supposed to be an Urban Combat unit. Its better as a general battlefield unit with a well-rounded assortment of weapons for long, medium, and short-ranged combat. The upgraded Shogun C is an impressive unit with 24 streak Short range missile tubes, 40 long range missile tubes, and a powerful extended range particle projection cannon.
The Shogun has failed to live up to its name... How DISHONOROBU of an insult to the Draconis Combine!
Hahaha I see what you did there 🤣
Dishonor for you, dishonor for your cow...
Awww, poor Shogun, getting the Shameful Display moniker. I always found the Shogun kind of useful in early succession wars era play, at least in one-off pickup games. It can hold it's own against other midling assault mechs like the BattleMaster or Zeus. But it does suffer from being kind of forgettable. I can't remember the last time I brought out my WD painted Shogun for TT play. Anyway, great video as always Red!
I think the Battlemaster eat's its lunch tbh. Zeus though? Ehhhhh. lol
The Shogun is just a little off of being a good mech. Not enough ammo, too much heat. Switch the heat sinks to doubles, and strip out all of the extra heat sinks. Use the 7 tons to add 3 tons of LRM ammo, 1 ton of SRM ammo, and 3 medium lasers. Switch the ER PPC to a normal PPC. Now it can afford to use the LRM and PPC at will. Then it has a decent close ranged punch. Still has a heat problem, but it is manageable.
But why do any of that, when you can embrace the Shogun in its true, perfect form?
Wouldn't ripping out the SRMs, swapping the LRMs out for clan tech LRM20s and adding a third clan tech LRM20 with more ammo be a better fix? You'd also need the double heatsinks obviously
@@ironboy3245 If you have access to Clan technology, why wouldn't you use an endo-steel frame? A Clan-spec ER PPC? Consider using a clan XL engine? CASE 2? Rework the Shogun from the ground up?
My suggestions use the tech that the Shogun was first developed under. Wolve's Dragoons did make a clan tech variation, and Sea Fox continues to make a nearly identical design.
@@Chris_Sizemore I was thinking in BEX mechlab terms(mod for HBS Battletech), we don't get to choose chassis types there. We do get to loot and use clan tech though
We used to pull the LRM’s for SRM-6 with 2 tons of ammo. Used as a break through mech coming in after other mechs.
The problem with the Shogun is that (like the hoplite) there isn't a factory to build updated models. With 15 double heat sinks and FF armor, one COULD double the LRM ammo and beef up the armor, at least.
why bother with FF armor when you can get more out of an endo frame or clan grade xl engines
@@michaelkeha because of the trade-offs that come with XL engines (the loss of a side torso cripples the mech) and endo steel (reduces internal space). FF armor beefs up the protection without taking up needed space, and the double heat sinks keep the mech cooler without taking up must needed space.
@@Reverb154ferro-fibrous armor takes up the same amount of space as endo-steel-the only advantage it has over endo-steel is it's easier and cheaper to produce (endo-steel needs orbital factories for gravity reasons).
With the Stalker pretty much doing the same thing, losing the Shogun didn't really hurt. The Stalker is pretty much made everywhere, so I could see why no one picked up this design after the main factory went.
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The Shogun is one of those mech that i didn´t like the artwork of until David White took to it.
Is the image you are using from the starter as well? You use them quite a bit, understandably.
As a combat unit, the Shogun is not bad, a good direct and indirect fire support machine, but not as amazing as its name suggests.
Not always an ambitious mech can live up to its ambitious name i guess.
Sounds like a mech that would have benefitted from some tech upgrades. The clans must have thought the same thing because they still field them occasionally. A high mount heavy ppc and bunch of srm6 w/ Artemis comes to mind when I see the updated artwork. Would put a bigger engine in it too. Make it dance a little better.
I feel that this mech was intended to be a DCMS design and was given to Wolfs Dragoons to bulk out their roster of rare designs. This isn't just because of the name. Looks wise it has commonalities with a lot of the non-totem DCMS mechs like Gladiator, Diakyu, Daimyo, O-Bakemono, Ninja-to and Tai-sho. It also has the common theme of DCMS mech trying to to have a well rounded armament and but lacking the heatsinks to properly utilise it.
Tis a Terran Mech, sir, lol
This mech is kind of like the unseen, except they were unseen because of legal reasons, this one is just irrelevant.
100%
Unseen because it is... ungood lol
@@BigRed40TECH lol ouch but the Shogun C is solid isn’t it?
How the Dragoons were as feared as they were is beyond me. They fielded a lot of very mundane mechs such as the Flea, Hornet, Falcon, Hoplite, Imp and Shogun. Another mech that does not live up to its name potential. I would never field this mech ever unless I had to.
Just goes to show you, it's not the mechs you have to be worried about. It's the MechWarriors piloting those mechs.
Okay, the last reference to Shogun 2 got me
Anyone else notice the gundam-esque crest it has over the cockpit?
The Sh!tgun. I often wonder what the game designers were thinking, maybe swap the LRM’s for an AC 10 and some heat sinks, then maybe we’d have something.
Swap the PPC for a pair of larges, swap the LRMs for an ac10, and you have no minimum range. This is the Crockett lol, which I always thought looked and acted like the shogun2.
After learning about all the issues with this Hegemony mech I have to assume it suffers from a lack of Coordination.
Honestly kinda surprised that the Draconis Combine never reverse engineer one of these things or even salvage them post-combat during the events of Misery. Though the same could be said of the other great houses, so...
Back in the 90s a friend ran a 2nd ed Mechwarrior campaign when it first came out. I was in a Thunderbolt a lancemates in a warhammer, blackjack and Griffin. We were on a kurita world just before the 4th broke out. I forget if we were fighting the WDs or a kurita garrison but we managed to capture a pretty much undamaged shogun. The black jack got 2 head hits at long range early in the hame with its ac2s the warhammer got another head hit with its MG later as we got closer. I got a 4th headset with my lrm 10 for 1 pt. And the pilot was snoring the shogun had been hit with other weapons but no penetrations so easily reparable, as my thud was tanking most of the fight it was determined too damaged to be repaired so was scrapped my pilot was awarded the shogun afterwards. We played the rest of the summer and into the fall in this campaign and I managed to do very well in it using the lrms at range and ppc every other round and when in cqc the srms. It was fun to play. Think my chr was killed about the 3rd game from the end and I rerolled a newb. I was fond of that campaign this video brought up many memories
I love the Shogun C, The only version still in existence in the current era. It has 16 double heat sinks, two LRM20s with Artemis fire control systems, for streak SRM6 missiles launchers, and a clan ER PPC. The thing hits like a truck at all range brackets. And because it's sold by Sea Fox anybody can buy it, assuming you have a little over 10 million C-Bills.
This one saddens me as I think this mech could have potential to be something good if given the chance.
If I had to guess, I'd say this thing was built out of spare parts. Looking at the art, I see the shoulder assemblies of the Marauder, and possibly the missile pods of the Axman. Sometimes you have to go to war with the army you've got. If this mech was literally a 'junkyard special' then it would explain everything.
"Hey, we have a warehouse full of random spare parts for mechs, and they haven't been needed, but we need to pay the bills soon. Toss some together, we can try selling them to the SLDF or Periphery maybe. Just give it a cool name, they love that. Like Ninja or something."
Good thing it has those tail rudder things.
Seems like it could be useful with an overhaul,but for the price of the tech needed for it you might as well bring an Awesome instead. Kinda surprised Kurita didn't try something with this mech, considering the name I was expecting there to be a K variant somewhere.
It is not one of the most unfortunate designs, but it is clearly improvable. The LRMs on your arms are not a problem, because with the quirk you have, you're really going to use them to get close and then they work perfectly well for you to hit. The ERPPC is already more questionable, it does allow its use at any distance, although the scarce ammunition of SRM is over (the replacement PPC is already much more questionable).
Honestly a Large Laser in the central torso would be more advisable (or two in the case of clans with double heatsinks) from the moment it could continue to be used until if it loses both torsos, remaining a threat until it is completely destroyed.
It's a Crusader.
And a poor one: 20 tons heavier, not sinked enough to deal with the added PPC, and not nearly as nimble. Armored for close-in combat, but armed for distance engagement. It's a walking paradox.
You could do more with the CRD in many of its variants, for less weight and money, especially the 2R model, which has no heat issues, and the 5M, which is the best confluence of CRD maneuverability and payload delivery of the classic Era, even if the flamer and machine guns could best be swapped for more ammo.
So, it's a stalker with one PPC and Jump Jets instead of all the hard-hitting lasers.
I'll keep my Stalker.
I may be showing my age but when you say Shogun I think of James Clavell or Richard Chamberlin wearing a kimono......I'm old.😂
Seems like if you just upgraded to double heat sinks, you could make the mech much more effective. Up them to doubles, drop 5 of them, and you could fire all your long range weapons(even if you use the ERPPC version) without getting too hot while gaining 5 tons of space. Add a couple tons of LRM ammo for long range fights, then add a trio of medium lasers for some extra up close punch. You could even go with ER versions of the med lasers and 12 sinks would still be enough to let it fire all it's close range weapons without building up too much heat as long as it's not also jumping continually.
GD but the current generation of art is amazing. I might never have quit playing the tabletop game if our art looked like this in the 90s… and I hadn’t discovered girls.
Love your videos man!
Thanks!
Well, some mechs are gems, some are lemons. I'm sure a good pilot could make it shine properly.
85t inner sphere was always sort of an awkward, middle child of the assault mech territory. There was the big blimp Stalker and the Battlemaster as the stand outs and maybe the Crockett if you're feeling charitable, but it wasn't really until clan and later years had a few more options worthwhile.
Otherwise you always felt like, just spend less and go into the 80 tonnes or spend a bit more into the 90-95t for a bit more.
Never forget...the Longbow!
@@thorstenschafer6907 'screaming something about it should be in a museum'
But that could be said through most of the whole IS during the Succession wars. It was a real trooper though along with the latter Catapult when it came to delivering vast amounts of indirect fire.
I would like to get this mech a go in the battletech computer game. See what can be do with it and actually finding one or parts....rare as man.
Another great mech video
Could you cover the Blakist celestial mechs?
One day...
It seems okay to me, you jump and potshkt with the PPC while closing distance and only use the lrms when you have a good hit chance, or vice versa if you care more about heat than ammo. Punches are fine with LRM arms since you wont be firing those in melee and theres a good chance you would have used the ammo by that time anyways. Torso SRM6s are a fine weapon and compliment a PPC well to exploit the armor breaches it can make
Heavy mechs would end a Shogun. A Shootist would be its end.
The Black Knight would laugh at the Shogun as it deleted it from the battlefield LMAO!!!
Should've name it the Showgun instead, since it's really just a looker. Looks cool, sounds cool, but isn't too good.
They way you pronounce Hegemony never fails to make me laugh
how did this get a mini before the Mauler?
Given what it isn't I'm more surprised that it doesn't have more c&c add-ons to make it more useful
Hmm. I don't know how someone could "rescue" this Mech, when it would be in MW5.
Maybe refit the PPC with a Large Pulse Laser or 3 ER Med Laser, so the missing Tons can be reused für Heatsinks., also make them double would be a wise decission.
But it would still be a Missile Boat with not enough Ammo for the Main Weapons.
Another Possibility would be switching the Arms with something more usefull, maybe omni Technology would be the solution for the Arms... but than it wouldn't be a Shogun anymore right? :D
When I'm at this theme, weren't there any "Bastard Mechs" like Pirates would use them in Battletech? You know, some kind of Mixed Tech Mashines, basing on something but have Parts from some other Mechs? Would be interesting to know about them too. ^^
Drop the JJ and give it more ammo and either give it DHS or just 1 extra. If you go the DHS route I would probably upgrade to an ERPPC with a total of 17 DHS and a C3 comp.
So, in the first image, it doesn't have the two srm racks. It has a singular toob that looks like a gauss weapon. Am I reading that image right?
Obvious upgrade would be to use double heat sinks but let's go crazy: replace both srm missile racks with one gauss rifle, two tons of ammunition, and a Case for it. I want to change one of missile systems inside a fist into something else but I'm having trouble choosing; two pulse medium lasers or three to four pulse small lasers. Problem is I don't know if I have overspent on weight and therefore don't have the room for additional double heat sinks I think I need?
I don't think it has the hardpoints for it sadly
@@ironboy3245 CURSES!
Where did you find the art used at the beginning of your video? It looks like something from Mecha-zone or ShimmeringSword but I can’t locate it.
It's an official art piece for Catalyst Game Labs, or a part of a bigger piece they have.
Refitting it with MRMs with mlre ammo and DHS would make it quite deadly
you think the Draconis combine would be all over this mech if modified
Combine didn't build this one.
@@BigRed40TECH I know. Still you think they'd have looked at the name and said "I'll take 2 factories 1 each on New Samarkand and Luthein price is no object". probably would add six medium lasers and more LRM ammo vs the 2 SRM-6s their ammo it has though
Surprised the combine dosnt produce these based on its name alone
It's redesign art-wise looks cool. The metal mini is meh at best.
Huh, this seems like it would have been usable with clantech. Dump the SRMs, upgrade the LRMs to clan LRM20s and maybe a third LRM20 with more ammo, and upgrade to DHS and you'd have a decent long range fire support mech. The question then becomes why would you ever run this mech when the longbow can boat 120 clan LRMs
Me personally when I have played BattleTech in the past I actually rebuilt a lot of the 20 toners in the 25 toners for the simple fact is Clan Weaponry with blast through the armor with no problem. As far as I'm concerned if they can survive a direct hit from a clan Erp PC to the center torso and still function then they were all right with me. Hence why I believe that the wasp, stinger, and even the Locust should have been 25 tons, and no less. Not to mention they're a lot more fun to build.
Or you could swap to an XL engine and take the weight you get from that and put it right back into an even bigger engine.
Because a small mech that's going fast enough to register on a Mach meter is a funny image in my head, and aside from that, there's the old saying of fighter pilots: Speed is life, armor is life insurance.
@@44R0Ndin I'll tell you right now I made an F U Mech. I made a 30 toner go as fast as it could, and jump as high as it could put two medium lasers in its torso so that it's arms were free to punch, and could stand in a heavy woods and people would have to roll box cars even with pulse lasers and targeting computers to hit me. You want to talk about something that pissed people off. It was fun on the table top😁
@@Cbabilon675 That sounds very infuriating, but I have another thing you can do to make your players rage. Small support vehicles. The Outrider costs just 5BV, and is pretty much a Toyota Hilux.
Can you say "which one of these is carrying "Blake's Light" aka a nuke"?
@@44R0Ndin dude! That is just cold-blooded. LMAO. How many people realize that there's no rule against putting infantry like weapons on a VTOL. Imagine putting four tons of recordless rifles on there that do one point of damage a piece. I've done it, 100 recordless Rifles per side of the VTOL. You want to talk about taking off some people.
@@Cbabilon675 You made a flying pipe organ, that's... Wow. I have no words.
Why would ANYONE do this? Can’t fire it’s PPC sustainably, and can’t fire it’s LRM systems sustainably. It’s slow. What is the point?
Design fixes: personally, I think this is a good candidate for AC systems. Stick two rapid firing AC/5s (even 10s, weight permitting) on the arms, and put LRMs in the torso; 10s or even 5s. I’d not put the LRMs on the arms and build the mech around that because we already have a catapult at home.
However, with its jump capability, such a loadout does make it possible to hop into a rear arc and put AC holes into the rear armour of a mech that thinks it caught it out.
But to be honest, there are better candidates out there for this. Shame really, I actually think it’s quite cool looking, aesthetically. But it isn’t an LRM boat with that ammo loadout (SRMs? Why? Why are you that close to the enemy?) and it cannot fire that PPC often enough for there to be any real point fitting it to the bloody thing in the first place.
If I could, I’d punch the designers, right in the face.
The only solution would be to make it slower. :P
At the end of the Jihad there was like 2 of them left in the Inner Sphere. I know: I own two minis of the Shogun :D
dude i would love too have your track list in a playlist on your channel
It could have been pretty great if only it had double heat sinks.
Off the production line this mech seems mediocre like you said but...If i had this mech in Mechwarrior 5 i could make it into a brawling monster. Aside from the torso energy mount over a ballistic one its built just like an Orion with 10 extra tons you can dedicate to more tons of ammo/heatsinks and a bigger engine/supercharger. Or just say screw it and give the 10 tons to hardened armor. that being said i like giving attention to bad mechs but there are certainly better options for heavily armored SRM platforms. at least ones with slightly better quirks anyways.
I like how this mech feels like a series of checkmarks rather than a proper design ethos. It ties in with certain narratives I've heard regarding the Star League and graft.
The name is notable 'cuz it makes me think of America; What does a yankee do if you disagree with them? Sho-gun.
Kind of a piece but it has a cool name at least LMAO. Another great video Red 👍 Keep em coming
It's a piece of poo.
@@BigRed40TECH Definitely a POS lol. I been telling everyone to check out your Black Knight vid as it is my favorite. Got good feedback all around 👍
If they just drop at least one of the SRM6 and ammo for more LRM ammo then it wouldn't be that bad....But why does it have those negative quarks for no reason? Did the company just have NO IDEA on how to make mechs? Oh, they thought the SLDF would just buy it up like they did every thing and charge a premium for the spare parts.
I would dump the SRMs to go all in on long rang combat with this mess. Maybe upgrade to LRM 20s? 🤔
Yeah, these arms don't work, but what if one used Zeus arms? They had problems with arm mounted launchers and barrel fists, but they sorted it out. And zeus parts aren't exactly hard to find. Let's remix this hot mess into a hot casserole. Like the Cataphract.
The shogun wishes it can crusade.
The Shogun...Archer on steroids. Decent mech, actually, but I would rather have a Crockett.
I like it. I want one.
Ovewrweight crusader.
Crusader's at least able to walk around. lol
Good.
Very good
Typical Kurita mech, enormous potential, but it just never lives up to it
It's not a Kurita Mech
@@BigRed40TECH maybe not physically, but in spirit it's VERY Kurita...very shamefur of me to screw that up lol
Do you think we could at least call it the best of the average?
That'd just not be true though. lol
This design seems like a Crusader, only 20 tons heavier.
I think the Crusader's better imo.
The Terran hi-jə-mō-nē ?
Very average. I wouldn't turn one down, but at the same time i definitely won't be asking for one either. Anything it does, other assaults can do better without the logistical nightmare of Difficult to Maintain + Nonstandard Parts
I did futz around with loadouts to see if it could be salvaged somehow (it might be), but after a few minutes i concluded that simply buying a second hand Stalker and bracket firing is easier 🤷♂️
Points for jump jets and CASE though 👍
gonna be honest, good vid but that black text with red halo behind it is actually hard to read with my colorblindness
My nefarious plan has worked then. lol
id be tempted to intentionally give names i know my enemies would love to terrible mechs
Terren Heg-emminy
I don't know I kinda like old elf ears it's a solid mech if you have no fucking idea what to bring to a game
i feel a stalker would be better than the shogun it can handle more weapons' at various ranges and has about the same amount of armor
Sho GONE...
I'm surprised that the artistic team for this thing has gone in the direction of both annihilator without a head (the derpy one) and the bastard child of king crab and Zeus.
Also why is it that every single time that I see something with a barrel fist it is always a terrible design (excluding the Zeus of course)?
Marauder? King Crab? Both have arms built for melee that still have heavy-hitting weapons in them.
Not entirely sure what you mean by "barrel fist", does it have to be cylindrical?
@@44R0Ndin the fist/ extended armored forearm that the Charger and Zeus have. Specifically, the one that looks like a pig in a blanket
@@robrib2682 Now that I know what you're talking about, I do like that design feature. Particularly when the arm in question mounts SRM tubes, because who doesn't like a rocket punch?
EDIT: I think there might be a few Clan mechs that fit that kind of arm, but I'm unsure.
@@44R0Ndin yup, the worst part is that looks awesome and every time I see it, its on a lemon
The 2H?
Came too late in the Inner Sphere imo. It's more Clan-centric given it came out in 2777
@@BigRed40TECH The 2H is the original 2777 design made for the Star League.
@@jhoag56 Yes. It barely saw any service, deployment, or action by 2780
A shamefur dispray.