Vibratory Wet Tumble! (NICE) Results!
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Thanks for the tip Elvis!
I use a thermos jug on my wife’s treadmill with Dawn dish soap and Lemi Shine for 30 minutes. Works great! I glued 4 small laths inside so the shells “tumble” as it turns.
A nice 30 minute workout is all it takes👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸😂😂😂😂😂😁
Genius idea
How do you keep it from rolling off the treadmill? I've heard of peeps doing like pvc pipes in the back of the vehicle as they commute and it does the job
herrcobblermachen ,,,, I made a 1x4 box, put two roller wheels in back for thermos to roll against them mounted it to two 1x4’s the length of treadmill’s width, then Used two C clamps to hold it on.
Thanks for all the info. I would like to do my own reloading, but never done it and just trying to get info.didnt know about this stuff
Good stuff as always. Thanks Elvis!
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This will be a great option for small amounts and sample pcs if you are in a hurry coupled with a food dehydrator. I bought a Frankford Arsenal large wet tumbler a year ago. It holds about 1000 .223 plus pins. If you do large quantities, it's worth it. Thanks for another option!
Well I’ve got two of them so there’s 1000👍👍😂😁😎
I bought the Frankfort wet tumbler after watching FC45LC. I call it "Doing my man laundry"
They make some pretty nice stuff. Main laundry🥴😂😎
@@elvisammo yeah I really like it. I bought the screens for mine. Makes it a ton easier to rinse without having a bucket. Also got their pin separator to.
Yet again,some more good stuff from Elvis ammo! Thanks, I've got the Frankfort arsenal tumbler and will try this out to see how it works. 👍👍👍👍😎😎😎
Leme know how it goes!👍👍👍
Great info Elvis! I don’t have a wet tumbler either, so this is a terrific idea!
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Thanks for passing this along
Thanks Preacher! 👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Hey Elvis, always learn something new on your videos. Thanks for the new idea :-))
Hey Nick! 👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Great video and great information
Nice!! I haven't used my tumbler like that in a very long time but I will give this a try. Looks like it might work great for small batches. Another great informative video my friend
Thankya my friend! 👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Looks good I'll give it a try thanks
Works great bro!
I started reloading after watching your videos your the best. Keep it up sir thanks
Sorry for the trouble I caused! 😂🥴😁😁👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Wet tumbling is definitely the way to go. No more dealing with dry media dust in the air, full of lead and powder residue. The brass looks like new. I sprang for the Frankford Arsenal rotary tumbler with stainless steel pins. It works great, but if you are ok with the primer pockets not getting super clean, there is nothing at all wrong with Elvis' method.
I still use my vibratory tumbler regularly - but not for cleaning dirty brass. I use it to take case lube off of newly made 9mm ammo (yes, I know you don't need to lube cases when you have carbide dies; but it make re-sizing the brass SO much smoother that I do it anyway). I use (and re-use) corn cob media and tumble about 300 rounds at a time for about 5 or 10 minutes and it takes all of the lube off.
I have learned so much valuable info from your channel, thank you man👍🏼
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me as well
I can just imagine what Lyman would say about using water in their tumbler.
I made a rotay wet tumbler with a windshield wiper motor and one of those thermos jugs. Works great. I will post a video sometime. I also use pins. I have some SS pins I bought...I also bought some SS wire and cliped it into pins...AND us took some zinc plated wire and clipped it into pins...then tumbled them in some diluted muriatic acid. That made a hard black zinc oxide coating on them that keeps them from rusting. I also took some regular bb gun bb's and ran them in the same muriatic acid ...they are too big to get the primer pockets but do a pretty good job of cleaning...Also if you use a little armorall wash n wax car wash in the water (with the lemishine) it keeps the brass from gettin oxidized over time. They stay shiny.
Nice… thanks for sharing! 👍👍👍🇺🇸😂
Primer pocket cleaner - RCBS flat top primer case cleaner is the bomb!!!! Super easy. Great ideas Elvis thank you!!!
Damn they look fabulous. 😎
Sure do bro! 😎
I had one that was messed up and I tried this. I put a 5 gallon bucket on top of a old harbor freight tumbler. Work’s for me.
Good stuff Elvis, I have the same two tumblers, I like how much cleaner wet tumbling works, however my wet tumbler only hold so much brass. Doing it this way I can clean much more brass. Thanks
😎👍yes sir!
Green video. I have the Lyman, and have never had the nut back off during operation. However it's nice that when you do back it off and let it run, the nut will back off on its own and land on top, when I'm a little lazy.
Mine must shake a little differently, as my Lyman tightens as it runs. I turn the power on, set the nut on , press down on the center of the lid, once the nut makes contact I let go. Its tight.
I now use a rotary tumbler with stainless steel pins and casings come out perfect. I put my vibration tumbler in an auction. I use just a tiny squirt of laundry soap in it. My rotary tumbler has several speeds. So dump your vibrator tumbler and you’ll never go back!!!
Great video
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If you remove the all-thread lid hold down from your FrankfordArsenal tumbler, you can set a three gallon water jug right in it. The jugs that go onto the water coolers. A towel between them helps control the vibratory action. Brass will vibrate around in a circle at the bottom of the jug. Use a large sieve to strain out brass when done. Cookie sheet works great for drying them with a hot plate and a small fan. Much bigger capacity then what you're doing there.Get both going at the same time even better.
I use a lot less soap in my rotary tumbler maybe 10 drops and it removes case lube. I don’t need to heat the water or do anything else.
Thankfully I still have my 16 year old HF rock tumbler (single drum) for small batches, and the Thumler's Tumbler 12# for large batches.
My 20 year old F.A. vibratory tumbler is used for the dirtiest brass (usually range pick up), and after a session of vibratory tumbling, I wet tumble.
Never thought about wet tumbling in the vibratory tumbler, though... 🤔
Lookie there… 😉✌️ I got some wheels turning! 👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸😎
Dawn is the stuff!!!! I use it to wash everything I even take a bath it when I'm super nasty.🤣LMAO Awesome idea I have a RCBS vibratory Tumblr. I'm gonna try that out!!!!
Fantastic! I bought a rotary tumbler and set my vibratory tumbler aside. Now I can use both. Great idea!
Yes sir use it the same way let me know if you use pins and it works?
I dry tumbled with walnut with the small Harbor Freight vibratory tumbler. I have since purchased the larger HF as the hole in the lid wallowed out. I now use the little one as a wet tumbler with stainless pins first then drain them and put the brass into the larger tumbler with walnut which cleans some more and drys them.
Do you use the Dry Tumblr with pins? And does the pins work with the dry Tumblr?
@@elvisammo i wet tumble with the stainless pins a coup drops of detergent and a 9 mm case of lemishine and just enough water to almost cover the 150 rounds of 5.56 and 3 pounds of mixed pins and round balls. It only takes about 30 minutes. Then i dump into a stainless baking pan with my welding magnets underneath it to help hold down pin loss while rinsing. I also run the magnets through my walnut media in case i missed some.
Yes pins and liquid in the little harbor freight dry tumbler.
I've thought of trying this myself, but can't get over the fear of vibrating a gallon of water over an electric motor.
Close your eyes and pray 🙏. That’s the best way to overcome your fears! 😂😎👍
I'm prayin' Bro, I'm prayin!!
@@elvisammo NAHHH keep your eyes open and enjoy the very short fireworks show LOL.
@@looseballs1966watch the world burn. Also your house. 😂
Good one man, you're always coming up with new ways to use old stuff haha. I never did the dry vibratory tumbling of brass method after hearing about elevated lead levels from the primer dust from indoor gun ranges, I figured the dry tumbler would do the same.... so I dont have one lying around to put to use haha. I usually use a Lee decapping die and deprime everything. Then it all goes to the 2-drum Harbor Freight wet tumbler. Then each drum gets stainless steel pins, a 5cc or 7cc Lee scoop of Lemishine, a cap full of vinegar and fill a half inch within the water line with hot water. The rest to the line is dollar store dish soap. Yes its more than you use, but its the end results that count haha. If you use too much Lemishine, it turns the brass pink - which is actually leeching the zinc out of the brass, which I'd guess is weakening the brass to an extent.The brass comes out shiny new, but the point of that is it makes it alot easier policing semi auto brass. The shine makes it alot easier to find - especially if you shoot close to sundown which is my favorite time to shoot :)
Yeah the thing really works great.. I’ve been using it pretty regularly. I’m sold on wet tumbler! Thanks for stopping by! 👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
Do you need to rinse after that solution? I’m guessing so but didn’t know if it was just a plain water rinse or something else. Thx
The Franklin tumbler has slow media circulation, I added a plastic funnel upside down over the center post which about doubled activity.
You're the reason my wife gets angry when I get close to the kitchen. 😂 Looks like a tablespoon of Dawn and a teaspoon of Lemi-Shine. I bet you can get a pack of faucet washers that will fit those rods for a couple bucks. Thanks for all you do amd share with us!
Tell the wife I’m sorry 😂😂 Harbor freight has oh ring kits and rubber washer kits that are very reasonably priced. I use them for all kinds of things. I fixed a master cylinder in a car the other day with an O ring that I already had. Didn’t even have to go to the store to get parts👍👍😁
@@elvisammo I will pass it on to her......from afar. 😂 Nice that you didn't have to go get parts. HF for the win!
my lyman magnum died after heavy (ab)use and was ready to switch to wet rotary tumbling with FA but lyman basically overnighted another one free. so prob another year before I switch.
Pins would be awesome for your next test!
Not sure if it’ll work or not but I definitely want to try it👍👍👍👍
@@elvisammo you'll have another video with another like from me! Keep up the good work.
Have the same lyman tumbler so I gave it a try, it works. Less than an hour and I got clean pistol brass its basically an ultrasonic cleaner when used this way not a true ultrasonic but close enough. There is no need for the plastic bag the water just sits there and vibrates.
Yep… I was over the top a bit with the plastic!! 👍👍👍
I use a HF tumbler with turtle 1- step zip wax and lemi shine. And the brass turns out great. If the brass is really bad I use SS pins. I will bite the bullet and get a Frankford when the HF dies. But I don't shoot like you all. And I've been using the HF ($40) for years! Thanks for the video.
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I want to switch to this someday. Good results in 1.5 hours! I hope somebody comments on the pins thing.
I’ll have to get some pins to try?
Here is what I do have a mixture of salt ,vinger ,lemmie shine and dawn that keep mixtued up in separate bottle and put the brass in another bottle and set a timer for 2 minutes and shake that bottle for the 2 minutes dont go longer than 2 minutes because it will turn the brass pink i then poor the solution back in the holding bottle and the flush the brass very well us a bath towel dry and throw in the vibrator for a hour or longer with walnut shell and your brass will come out shiny clean
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I've vibratory dry tumbled for years (30 or more) but just recently picked up the Frankford arsenal wet tumbler and did about 4000 rounds of 9mm in it in two batches using the frankford aresanal cleaner with a splash of dish soap and the pins and I have never had cleaner brass, I own 2 of the lyman tumblers like you have on the video and I don't think they will ever be used again, the wet tumbling might be a bit spendy to get started at but it is worth every cent and then some, no improvised wet tumbling method or vibratory dry method comes anywhere remotely close to as good and easy as wet tumbling with the right equiptment,,,,just bite the bullet get a good wet tumbler such as the Frankford aresanal and the case drier from the same and their rotary media seperator along with the pin retriever magnet, it's what I finnaly did,,,,spendy (about 400$ all total) yes but I wish the hell I wouldn't have dicked around this long before just doing so.
😂😂👍👍😁 yeah sometimes it’s more fun to just bite the bullet..
Forced to agree here 100%. Caught one on sell at midway, got the Lite. Gave thought to just selling my vibe tumblers altogether. The only pita is separating the ss pins from the cases, and drying the cases without the water spots here and there (yes of course it can be done). You have to separate the media either wet or dry I reckon. You'll get stray media here or there and in a primer pocket either way. You don't put any (minor) dust up in the air wet tumbling, and more compact stowage. My FA Lite doesnt "walk" all over the place like my lyman vibe, but it is just as loud in a diff kinda way. I'm a cheapo, but man, night and day difference. Even wet tumbling without the pins the brass is still cleaner than any other method I've seen. You dont need clean brass to reload, but if its important to you, spend the $120.
@@herrcobblermachen I got the full size FA and it's great (about 2000 rounds of 9mm at a shot in it),,,as far as water spots go I have not seen a single one in about 8000 rounds of this and that I've run through mine, I use a generous amount of the FA brand brass cleaner (got a 32 ounce bottle of it and should last a LONGGGG time) and a splash of dawn dish soap, 2000 rounds of 9mm and let it tumble for a full 3 hours with pins (the 5 pounds it comes with), when it's done tumbling I pour the whole mess into the FA rotory seperator (the one with the top ) and carefully dump out the dirty water (it has a screen to keep from loosing pins in one of the top corners) then I fill it way up with clean water (there is a fill to mark ) then crank the handles on the tumble drum for a bit, remove the drum of the seperator and set it in the lid and drain the dirty water again rinse the pins well and use the FA recovery magnet to put all the pins back in the tumbler, put the seperator drum full of brass back into the seperator base and more clean water and spin it a bit more, then I took an old bath towel and folded it in half to form a sort of towel bag, I put all the wet brass into my towel bag hold it shut and sort of shake and work the wet brass around in it, that mostly dries the brass (nearly 90% anyhow) then into the FA brass drier machine for 2 full hours on 160 (as high as it goes),,,and even some VERY VERY ugly mulitple time reloaded brass that hadn't been cleaned in a couple loadings is as clean as brand new inside and out, and I have yet to have a pin end up stuck in a primer pocket or flash hole and break a decapper on my Dillon in 3000 rounds I just got done running ( the first of which after switching to wet tumbling) (I use a seperate press with a universal decapper to deprime before cleaning because I like VERY clean brass inside and out, my press setup is to freakin expensive to run dirty crap brass through it0 anyhow long winded but my results are REALLY good and I just felt like putting it out there to maybe help a fellow reloader,,,take care my friend.
I have a rotary tumbler and I use stainless steel pins. However after I blew up 2 Ar15s because of how bad it can wear on the brass and primer pocket, I will not be using the pins anymore. I had brass failure at the base of the cartridge .
Sounds like you're loading the cartridges too hot unless you are leaving your tumbler on while you go on vacation 😂
What do you use to dry the brass? I am researching on reloading. Thinking about getting into it.
You can either set it in the sun to let it dry it happens pretty fast. Or you can set it on a towel on the floor let it dry overnight that works great to use a little fan if you can.
Coming from someone who has a lot of experience with tumbling parts. I always prefer a rotary rock type tumbler over vibratory tumblers. Just a personal preference. Use a small fine rock type media, always use water and always use a few drops of Dawn dish washing soap. Mainly because soap is a wetting agent. Just my opinion from years of experience. 😁☕️
I've been using long grain rice for about hour and a half with 100rounds. It is good for about 5 batches. You do need air compressor to get rice out of flash holes
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What does that do to the taste of the rice later in the shrimp gumbo?😉
Sand will work too in a pinch.
After wet tumble do you air dry or oven dry the brass?
I shake them in a towel, then lay them out with a fan, or you can put them in the sun, or you can put them in the oven at 200, with the door cracked to slightly. This will at the moisture out👍👍👍
What happened to the clear plastic cover that goes over the slotted cover on the lyman; I would imagine it would work just as good as the garbage bag
😂 yep!
i have done mine like this for yrs . looking back it's kinda funny the rotary tumblers come out in the 70's as i recall . and they where made for wet tumbling or for use with media . i don't use the pins myself , i use a sonic now and my old lyman vibrater from the 80's . clean enough to load and not scratch my dies . question asked all the time on wet tumbling by newbie ...' will the stainless pins ware out my case's faster ?' answer .. ' no the pins are a soft stainless steel .' lmao ! all stainless is way harder than brass ! how ever the case will be shot out from loading long before the pins will . yes i love shiny brass but you can get it to clean . just ask some of the progressing loading guys .
Do you have a cost-effective way of annealing the case openings?
Found it. A drill motor extension, socket, and a blow torch.
I'm still old school, ground walnut and polish
😂👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸walnut trees a blowen… hey bud!
What about an ultrasonic machine??
The vibrating shaker noise when I close my eyes at night it comes back to haunt me. Silence no longer exists. I’ll stick with my Franklin wet tumbler it’s a bit quieter and the cases are way cleaner. In a pinch I would use my vibratory tumbler.
😂😂😂 dude… you got other issues! The ice cream truck does that to me! 😳
How does it work on jockey shorts?
Go to barber freight and buy there 2 drum rock polisher, cheap and works great , just have to buy some pins!
First, I clean my range pickup brass in a ultrasonic cleaner with a PH level around 3. Not much below 3 as will start to dissolve the zinc and leave a pink, copper look to them. Might weaken the case, but not sure. Usually due to the variety of cases, I leave them in the ultrasonic cleaner for about 4 hours. My ultrasonic cleaner is polish small and not very powerful, so this works well.
Upon air, or oven drying, then they go into a MJR rotary tumbler with Harbor Freight course walnut and NU-Finish car polish. NU-Finish car polish has no ammonia which can make brass brittle! Depends on the overall look of the cases out of the ultrasonic cleaner, I usually tumble for about 4 hours. I have a timer for all of my equipment so I turn it on and forget about it or go to bed and let it work away! My nickel cases, all times are cut by 75% to prevent losing the nickel coating.
MJR Tumblers are industrial rock wet tumblers but also work excellently with dry media with the car wax added. Mine holds about 800 45 ACP cases at a time.
When done, my cases look brighter and nicer than new!!! Flash holes are pretty clean and I get very little dirt when reloading as I do not pull primers before starting the process. When I do pull primers, the flash holes come very clean and look like the case never has been shot. The NU-Finish car polish gives them a nice wax coating that helps with carbide dies and go through easily even when full length sizing. Rifle and pistol cases come out clean and the wax finish helps prevent them from tarnishing quickly and look like newly manufactured brass a year later.
Works well for me and everyone that sees my reloads ask where I bought the new cases. MSgt David R. Smyth, USAF, Ret.
👍👍sounds like it works for sure😎
I just use my ultrasonic jewelry cleaner and just do smaller batches...I paid $6 for it at the thrift store. Works just as good as those outrageously priced ones that ain't worth a fraction of what they are charging us!
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One 9 mm shell casing full of lemi shine. Unless you want pink brass.
Yeah… that’s a great measuring device!!! I’ll start mentioning that! 👍👍👍
Get a wet tumbler Elvis you'll love it
Don’t be trying to domesticate me! 🥴😁😂👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I just use simple green.
You could put the soap in lemon shine in after you heat the water up and then you don’t need to stir it for a living
I’m trying to figure out how to get a hold of you I want to talk to you about something that I discovered with your help
Crushed glass
I just did a video on a homemade wet tumbler . I had around $50 in it .
I will check that out!!! 👍👍👍
Thanks, saves me $180 bucks from not buying the Harbor Freight one that does wet/dry.
Out of curiosity, what happens if you use too much lemishine? You didn’t complete your thought and know I gotta know😄
Your brass will turn brown to black depending on how much you use and how long it's in the solution. All acidic solutions remove a thin layer of the surface. Some take away more copper leaving the brown to black and some will remove more nickel leaving your brass a pretty rose color.
All of your brass will turn pink😂😂really
@@elvisammo ugh, commie brass. No one wants that. 😂🤣😄
Try Ice instead of hot water.
Dawn really does not need hot water to work.
The ice is just a little abrasive.
In the summer the ice will melt faster than the winter...
Make ice cream while you wait.
Now that’s a great idea😂😂😂😉
A whisker you say? Like just pull one from my beard? 🤔🤷🏼♂️🤣😇
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I have found a shot of Fast Orange works better than LemiShine. And at least for me the Fast Orange was cheaper.
Also wanted to let you know. I just took my FA tumbler apart. The bowl is actually sealed already. After they put the nut in the center they must heat seal it in place.
you need to try a Monster energy drink
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Had bad results wet tumble in Franklin arsenal dry tumbler
Did everything go OK? Just not the results you expected?
Thanks Elvis ... I've upvoted 100s of times but don't comment enough. Well done, God Bless you. Yeah, I do this too sometimes using the Lyman bucket/bowl. You need to break-away from Patreon ... they're communist.
Maybe you can send us a list of businesses that are not communist! We live in a sad world! We have been given a lot of great things just so that they can threaten to take them away from us if we don’t comply, how sad. I promise to use any money that I receive for things that they all hate!. I’m a little confused but I fight like the devil!!! I could write pages on the subject…. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Did you see psycho clown using woo lite instead of dawn?
No… I’ll bet that will work though. I’ll check out our Psyko friend! 👍👍👍
Just buy a Sonic cleaner.
I've tried everything to see what cleans the best. Takes 15 mins and pockets are best u ever seen. I'm using the same cleaning supplies you're using.
Shake them in a towel an let them dry little more an done.
Yeah, that’s what I do shake them in a towel. Lay them out with a fan, set them in the sun, or just let them dry. I’ll have to look into that…👍👍👍👍
The one thing I hate the most about cleaning brass is primer pockets. If it doesn't clean the primer pocket, it's not for me. Rotary tumblers with stainless steel pins do the trick. I run the cases in Dawn dishwashing soap and lemoshine for about an hour.
Personally I would only consider perfect primer holes for precision ammo only, just to satisfy me.. 👍👍 but I know all about you brass snobs😂😎
I toss in three pair of underwear with 200 pieces of 30-06 Lake City brass.
Warning ⚠️ that will make the brass crusty! 🥴
Commercial 1 gal paint mixer machine..surplus
Doesn't do primer pockets. Ignored haha.
Zero point in doing this if it isn't getting the pockets clean.
Yep.. got some pocket snobs for sure. I’m still trying to find out if the pins will work in this situation.✌️
@@elvisammo pins won't work, as they will just sink to the bottom and stay there.
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Fast as lightning bro!!! 😎
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