Thanks Phil and Tricia, great info here. Do you have any info on the weight difference between the two? I'm not a particularly powerful skier, so I'd be interesting to see the weight diff between these two bindings. Thanks!!
Totally agreed with SPX advantages. Pivot is more complex "niche" and serious ski binding. But 1. Pivots get clogged with snow, sometimes it’s difficult to buckle in and clear the snow from the heel (in the place where the brake pedal is located). Agree. 2. Anyone who wants can open the heel with the back of the ski pole. I don't see any particular problems here. The dark heels of the pivots at the point of contact of the pole are perfectly fused with black plastic to repair the base (if you want to open them with a ski pole) 3. Adjustment... how often do you change boots with different BSLs? If so, that's a plus, but for me personally it doesn't really matter. We're not talking about rental skis. 4. Race carve. Well, I don’t know... it seems to me that for amateur skating and the current Pivot design is enough for the eyes, they won and raced on it at the World Cup and, apart from a few different springs, nothing has changed. 5+6. On narrow 75 brakes there are no problems with bulging. But in general, the heel itself and the brakes are an expensive spare part. SPX has an easier time with this. Agree. 7. Pivot is an expensive mount, but I think that's the price to pay for its uniqueness. SPX has an attractive price. There is an option to put a metal toe (versions with a metal toe).
Just cosmetics, the Pro is just a marketing name. As far as what weight it is good up to, weight is just one variable along with Boot sole length, aggressiveness and height need to be considered when choosing a binding. Since the binding goes up to 12, tehcnically anyone's final setting that is from a 4-12. If someone is at the top end of that range, might want to consider stepping up to the metal housed 15 (or 18)
Former Look Pivot 15/Look Pivot 12 owner. They are without a doubt a great biding, however they are not quite safe as what i've experienced, many occasions, where i expected them to release me were the situations, i almost felt i will break my knees, next is people mentioning snow get clogged>true as well.But the most awkward what i felt is that turntable heel piece tends to rotate when you making a really fast and huge carving turn, and YES my forward pressure was adjusted correctly, not that it's huge rotation back and fourth but you don't feel totally secure when initiating a turn. Boot sole lenght adjustment is low. I switched back to my trusty Marker jester on all of my skis, which i was using before switching to Pivots.
Hi guys! About the Look Toe, do you think is better for this 180* than other brands? I think Spx have 27mm heel elasticity so good for avoid prereleases right? But also will be "more confortable" in chattery terrain Vs other brands with less elasticity? Finally for a 87mm ski, spx with 90brake will be enough? Or tooo tight Thanks a lot!!!
I cannot say the 180* is better... or worse than any other binding that has a 180* . As we have always said, bindings at this level are about confident. But I agree with you, personally, I prefer elasticity in a binding, soem do not, persnal preference.
how you damage the pivot more ? its basicly the same metal cup with paint and like you said its made for that and using your ski do the same damege on both bindings
I've heard from one of my local ski shop that I had to put some kind of plate on the ski in order to mount the spx bindings. Is that true? Or can I just mount the SPX straight on the ski without any plate?
The SPX Rockerace tecnically requires that it be mounted on a plate but there are a lot of people mounting the binding on the ski flat. Most shops are unwilling to mount the Rockerace flat because there is no template/jig for it but you can use the Pivot jig because the RR and Pivot share two of the heel holes.
Honestly not a fan of the pivots. Hard to get on in powder and often develop play in the binding. Spx always gives a firm snap and always feels rock steady!
I feel like this video kind of just throws the pivots in the dirt, lets say the "world cup apperences" yes the pivot is not popular in ski racing anymore since the flex in the heel but look at mogul skiing for example where every singe one is using pivots and also freestyle skiing where also alot of people use the pivot. I find the pivots really durable on every aspect but cosmetics. And as a short conclusion i would say that the spx is a more "beginner friendly" binding but at the end it all comes down to personal preference and i prefer the pivot but i thought this video just talked down the pivot like it is a bad binding.
You will find few that are bigger Pivot fans than us. We have one of the largest Pivot collections in the world and few outside of the Look brand have had more influence than us in it's development over the past decade. Please also watch our video of the "History of the Look Pivot". There is no question of Look's presence in mogul and freestyle skiing, it dominates. Our point as far as the World Cup, that was a knock against the people who will conveniently fall back on the disclaimer "unless it's used on the world cup, it is not a viable product". As far as the SPX being a a vaiable option to the Pivot, price is a key consideration being almost $100 less than the least expensive Pivot. IMHO, the SPX is easier to used and more durable it is hardly just beginner friendly but also the binding of choice for world class racers.
This should be called "7 Reasons the Look SPX *is* a Better Option Than The Look Pivot" as there was no comparison... based on this video, only idiots buy the pivot. I appreciate what you were trying to do, I hope. Thanks.
The Pivot may not be used on the World Cup in racing, but it is still the dominate binding for moguls and freestyle events on the World Cup today.
No question on the Mogul/Freeride side.
Excellent informative video. It is very much appreciated indeed..
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Thanks Phil and Tricia, great info here.
Do you have any info on the weight difference between the two? I'm not a particularly powerful skier, so I'd be interesting to see the weight diff between these two bindings. Thanks!!
Only 70 grams with the Pivot being slighty heavier.
Totally agreed with SPX advantages. Pivot is more complex "niche" and serious ski binding. But
1. Pivots get clogged with snow, sometimes it’s difficult to buckle in and clear the snow from the heel (in the place where the brake pedal is located). Agree.
2. Anyone who wants can open the heel with the back of the ski pole. I don't see any particular problems here. The dark heels of the pivots at the point of contact of the pole are perfectly fused with black plastic to repair the base (if you want to open them with a ski pole)
3. Adjustment... how often do you change boots with different BSLs? If so, that's a plus, but for me personally it doesn't really matter. We're not talking about rental skis.
4. Race carve. Well, I don’t know... it seems to me that for amateur skating and the current Pivot design is enough for the eyes, they won and raced on it at the World Cup and, apart from a few different springs, nothing has changed.
5+6. On narrow 75 brakes there are no problems with bulging. But in general, the heel itself and the brakes are an expensive spare part. SPX has an easier time with this. Agree.
7. Pivot is an expensive mount, but I think that's the price to pay for its uniqueness. SPX has an attractive price. There is an option to put a metal toe (versions with a metal toe).
All good points.
Then what's the advantage of pivot over spx? That might be a very valuable info you can provide in the video
The Pivot has a shorter mount distance and lower rotation weight but this video is about the benefits of the SPX over the Pivot.
What is the difference between the regular SPX 12 and SPX 12 Pro? Also what size person or weight is the SPX 12 good up to?
Just cosmetics, the Pro is just a marketing name. As far as what weight it is good up to, weight is just one variable along with Boot sole length, aggressiveness and height need to be considered when choosing a binding. Since the binding goes up to 12, tehcnically anyone's final setting that is from a 4-12. If someone is at the top end of that range, might want to consider stepping up to the metal housed 15 (or 18)
Former Look Pivot 15/Look Pivot 12 owner. They are without a doubt a great biding, however they are not quite safe as what i've experienced, many occasions, where i expected them to release me were the situations, i almost felt i will break my knees, next is people mentioning snow get clogged>true as well.But the most awkward what i felt is that turntable heel piece tends to rotate when you making a really fast and huge carving turn, and YES my forward pressure was adjusted correctly, not that it's huge rotation back and fourth but you don't feel totally secure when initiating a turn. Boot sole lenght adjustment is low. I switched back to my trusty Marker jester on all of my skis, which i was using before switching to Pivots.
Hi guys!
About the Look Toe, do you think is better for this 180* than other brands?
I think Spx have 27mm heel elasticity so good for avoid prereleases right? But also will be "more confortable" in chattery terrain Vs other brands with less elasticity?
Finally for a 87mm ski, spx with 90brake will be enough? Or tooo tight
Thanks a lot!!!
I cannot say the 180* is better... or worse than any other binding that has a 180* . As we have always said, bindings at this level are about confident. But I agree with you, personally, I prefer elasticity in a binding, soem do not, persnal preference.
Great info. Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
how you damage the pivot more ? its basicly the same metal cup with paint and like you said its made for that and using your ski do the same damege on both bindings
Because of the plastic material of the Pivot, where the SPX has the metal cup.
That’s not true, every pivot heel peace is full metal
@@leogoppert6027 mmm the top half of the Pivot heel is plastic.
Do think the fact the pivot rotates under the tibial axis is any advantage?
yes, but minimal.
I've heard from one of my local ski shop that I had to put some kind of plate on the ski in order to mount the spx bindings. Is that true? Or can I just mount the SPX straight on the ski without any plate?
The SPX Rockerace tecnically requires that it be mounted on a plate but there are a lot of people mounting the binding on the ski flat. Most shops are unwilling to mount the Rockerace flat because there is no template/jig for it but you can use the Pivot jig because the RR and Pivot share two of the heel holes.
You forgot to talk about the tremendous amount of elastic travel in the heel of the pivot.
SPX is 27mm, the Pivot is 28mm not the dramatic difference some would expect.
Facts. Lol
Honestly not a fan of the pivots. Hard to get on in powder and often develop play in the binding. Spx always gives a firm snap and always feels rock steady!
After watching this video I bought a pair of pivot.
I feel like this video kind of just throws the pivots in the dirt, lets say the "world cup apperences" yes the pivot is not popular in ski racing anymore since the flex in the heel but look at mogul skiing for example where every singe one is using pivots and also freestyle skiing where also alot of people use the pivot. I find the pivots really durable on every aspect but cosmetics. And as a short conclusion i would say that the spx is a more "beginner friendly" binding but at the end it all comes down to personal preference and i prefer the pivot but i thought this video just talked down the pivot like it is a bad binding.
You will find few that are bigger Pivot fans than us. We have one of the largest Pivot collections in the world and few outside of the Look brand have had more influence than us in it's development over the past decade. Please also watch our video of the "History of the Look Pivot". There is no question of Look's presence in mogul and freestyle skiing, it dominates. Our point as far as the World Cup, that was a knock against the people who will conveniently fall back on the disclaimer "unless it's used on the world cup, it is not a viable product".
As far as the SPX being a a vaiable option to the Pivot, price is a key consideration being almost $100 less than the least expensive Pivot. IMHO, the SPX is easier to used and more durable it is hardly just beginner friendly but also the binding of choice for world class racers.
This should be called "7 Reasons the Look SPX *is* a Better Option Than The Look Pivot" as there was no comparison... based on this video, only idiots buy the pivot.
I appreciate what you were trying to do, I hope. Thanks.