As a British main, im excited for this tank. In my opinion, this shouldn't have been an event vehicle it would have been better as a tt filler vehicle. Also, this not getting thermals is not much of a deal breaker.
It's sad but we still have the chieftain 900/800 and FV4211 that can be added to MBT liner and also the Indian Arjuns can be added to the vickers line to bolster UK 9.0-10.0 line ups
@MrPuretideful unfortunately I see at least one of them you mentioned as another event vehicle. Then, the snail will add one as a premium. Followed by the last one as a tt one.
If the armor is impenetrable by most things you will face, but 3bm42 can go through, then that means like 40-50 percent of the tanks you face can penetrate you (the turret).
The thing that matters the most about the Challenger 1's turret is range beyond 500m it should stop almost everything it will see but at the same time L23 isn't the best long range round either.
@ That reminds me, I’ve been using the 120s and was excited about the turret armor. Apparently dm33 and 3bm42 goes straight through the cheeks. It always shows the pen chance as yellow, but I have been non stop killed through the cheek, even had Leo 1 heat go straight through my left cheek…
9.7 might be a problem as the UK doesn't really have a lineup there. They would be better off being moved up to around 10.0 and given better ammunition - it's gun is compatible with L26A1, so there's not really any reason for it's ammunition selection to be so restricted. The actual production model of Shir 2 was also intended to use the 117, not the 115.
Yea I think it could be kinda cool if they would lower the ticket bleed while a nuke aircraft is in the air. If I have a airspawn nuke I drop them way more often like the B29 Tu4, soon as you get the takeoff nuke planes alot slower plus maps are normally larger.
While there isn't a good lineup to center around this, this would make a good second/third spawn for UK 10.3. Plus I think it looks nice and I'm a collector so I'm grinding this out.
Its weird. Britain is my third nation Im grinding slowly, but surely (Im now at 5.3) and idk if I want to grind it or not. At one hand Im hyped for it, it looks clean af, but 9.7 is weird BR for it considering britain has no lineup for 9.7, this will be the only vechicle in this BR for Britain alongside premium Roikat 105, which is a premium as said. If it was 9.3 it would be awesome, because Britain has whole lineup there. I might grind it, but I will be wary of whenever I actually will or not.
For 9.7 it sounds stupid powerful. It's literally the chally mk.2 without barely useful gen 1 thermals and.. not the best round, but still an amazing round for a BR. For whole two BR steps down. Like, you wouldn't suffer in it in uptiers at all, but in downtiers it would simply dominate. 9.7 is extremely obscure BR for an MBT, there's lots of light tanks, but for MBT's there's three rn, and if we compare it to T-64B, which is very powerful vehicle for a BR, you get comparable armour (ehh technically T-64 is better frontally, but it has large mantlet weakspot, can't angle the turret unlike chally since it sides also have composite, and angled sideshot usually blows it's ammo), you get better mobility, an actual reverse gear, amazing reload. But worse round.
As I never played this type of events before (just recently started playing the game), what I need to do to earn this tank? Is it a "premium" tank, does it bring additional SL and RP? Thanks!
WT Wiki Links no longer exist for vehicles that aren't officially released gaijin removed that feature with the updated wiki. You have to mod in the vehicle with custom hangars.
Because the playstyles of both of those tanks are different. The Leopards can play super aggressive meaning that most of the time DM23 will be fine. FV4030 has to find good positions or hull down where just L23 will be lacking. specially since you will be engaging most targets from the front with FV4030.
Or the M1 Abrams which uses m774 at 10.7. 410mm of flat pen will get through any tank at 8.7-10.7. Yeah it won’t pen the hull of a T80UD but what does? If you don’t shoot the LFP or drivers sight you’re not killing that thing with most tanks. More boring British hate. This tank is absolutely fine at 9.7 and has the ability to kill tanks and tank shots.
The biggest problem with 9.0 and above are the maps are way too small, so you cant even use the advantage of having good turrets for challenger 1 and 2, so no matter what they will always suffer... this shir 2 being at 9.7 will be good though, as you have the Olofant 2 which is really good having DM63 105mm and Gen 2 thermal gunner commander, also protection is ok. Having both rooikats 105mm can handle 9.7 and uptiers with the speed and firepower, its not a bad line up, with khalid aswell, the sad part i you just lack spaa with missiles as you only get that at 10.0 and above...
L23 underpowered? It's got vastly more pen than the Abrams' M774 round at 10.7 (edit : and the Abrams' is a 105mm vs this 120) Are you high? 😂 If people can't make 400+ pen APFSDS work, the issue isn't the round but behind the keyboard.
so feeling lost here, are event vehicles only for pc players? i cant find the events that say anything about giving you a tank and if so war thunder is a hoe ass game
Would the Armor more what the Armor actually is in reality yeah then the Tank would be a great tank that is able to work as a Tank and not like a I have to sit back 2000+ meters to fight enemys in a Hiding spot and hope not to get hit cause Gaijin litterly Deleted the Armor strengh the Challenger 1 and 2 Tanks actually have. I remember the Time when Chally 1 comes to the game with his 450mm Hull Protection and 600-650mm turret protection wich is actually the Exact Armor Values from this tank so the 3BM42 or the DM33 cannot Oenetrate the Hull because the Russians build the 3BM46 to Penetrate Western Armor like from the Abrams or the Challenger or Leo2 tanks cause the Early round wich Include 3BM11/3BM15 and so on up to the 3BM42 they suck. I mean the 3BM42 wasnt even capable of Penetration the Side Armor from the Chally 2 in the Iraq war. There are so much things they are just a reason for Balance in this game especially for the British top tanks like the Challys wich means Armor, Mobility and Penetration on Range. I mean its a Tank build to defeat the Heaviest Oenetrator and to snipe any tank like a Sniper put into a Bunker. That was the Idea and gaijin took everything elaway 😂👍🏽
imo the 750k mission points for upgradable cupon should reflect a big percentage of the selling cost of this vehicle on the marketplace
As a British main, im excited for this tank. In my opinion, this shouldn't have been an event vehicle it would have been better as a tt filler vehicle. Also, this not getting thermals is not much of a deal breaker.
Yeah
Could have gone on the Vickers Line maybe?
@Pt_Lacky right after the light tank would be a good spot or right after the chieftain mk10
It's sad but we still have the chieftain 900/800 and FV4211 that can be added to MBT liner and also the Indian Arjuns can be added to the vickers line to bolster UK 9.0-10.0 line ups
@MrPuretideful unfortunately I see at least one of them you mentioned as another event vehicle. Then, the snail will add one as a premium. Followed by the last one as a tt one.
If the armor is impenetrable by most things you will face, but 3bm42 can go through, then that means like 40-50 percent of the tanks you face can penetrate you (the turret).
The thing that matters the most about the Challenger 1's turret is range beyond 500m it should stop almost everything it will see but at the same time L23 isn't the best long range round either.
@ That reminds me, I’ve been using the 120s and was excited about the turret armor. Apparently dm33 and 3bm42 goes straight through the cheeks. It always shows the pen chance as yellow, but I have been non stop killed through the cheek, even had Leo 1 heat go straight through my left cheek…
Chieftain, Challenger... Chiefger... _The Ginger_
wish we got a french tank sometime
So I took the Merk2D premium out for a view games and surprisingly got really good matchmaking so this at it 9.7 BR might be fun.
Ahw man, why in the world is the merk2d 9.7... no armor, decent gun, no mobility... 😭
@ good in the right hands had a 12 kill game 5 with the merk and 7 with the Ayit great combo
@@csii6478 nice. I still dislike it tho, name one redeeming factor that makes it at least decent (it should be 9.3 or even 9.0 imo)
Merk 2D is literally my best tank lol, that and the sabra mk1 is a perfect lineup for printing nukes@@scatmanpro
@@whohashamburger855 uhhh why tho, Im trying to understand cuz maybe Im playing it wrong
9.7 might be a problem as the UK doesn't really have a lineup there.
They would be better off being moved up to around 10.0 and given better ammunition - it's gun is compatible with L26A1, so there's not really any reason for it's ammunition selection to be so restricted.
The actual production model of Shir 2 was also intended to use the 117, not the 115.
There is no way for anyone that's job isnt warthunder to get 750k points...
I spawned in my first nuke yesterday and as soon as i took off the game ended ive been playing 3 years and still no nuke. im so sad😢
Yea I think it could be kinda cool if they would lower the ticket bleed while a nuke aircraft is in the air. If I have a airspawn nuke I drop them way more often like the B29 Tu4, soon as you get the takeoff nuke planes alot slower plus maps are normally larger.
Skill issue
Playing game for 3 years and bot having nuke???
While there isn't a good lineup to center around this, this would make a good second/third spawn for UK 10.3. Plus I think it looks nice and I'm a collector so I'm grinding this out.
Its weird. Britain is my third nation Im grinding slowly, but surely (Im now at 5.3) and idk if I want to grind it or not. At one hand Im hyped for it, it looks clean af, but 9.7 is weird BR for it considering britain has no lineup for 9.7, this will be the only vechicle in this BR for Britain alongside premium Roikat 105, which is a premium as said. If it was 9.3 it would be awesome, because Britain has whole lineup there. I might grind it, but I will be wary of whenever I actually will or not.
Eban...
For 9.7 it sounds stupid powerful. It's literally the chally mk.2 without barely useful gen 1 thermals and.. not the best round, but still an amazing round for a BR. For whole two BR steps down.
Like, you wouldn't suffer in it in uptiers at all, but in downtiers it would simply dominate. 9.7 is extremely obscure BR for an MBT, there's lots of light tanks, but for MBT's there's three rn, and if we compare it to T-64B, which is very powerful vehicle for a BR, you get comparable armour (ehh technically T-64 is better frontally, but it has large mantlet weakspot, can't angle the turret unlike chally since it sides also have composite, and angled sideshot usually blows it's ammo), you get better mobility, an actual reverse gear, amazing reload. But worse round.
As I never played this type of events before (just recently started playing the game), what I need to do to earn this tank?
Is it a "premium" tank, does it bring additional SL and RP?
Thanks!
its not a premium and you just have to play rank 3 and above ground
@@deltawolf1465 ah ok thank you! And doesn't matter which nation? Since i have tanks above rank 3 only for 2 nations.
@@gerilac86 any nation will do
@@deltawolf1465 thank you !
Ill be working on grabbing it and slapping it in my line ups I'm a collector of the event items
Challengetain
well the new sabra for the israeli tree exists that thing should be able to front pen chelly 1
Yea its kind of a weird step for 9.7 and 9.3 where most of these tanks don't have armor but really good firepower.
Yeah but not a lot of people play Israel.
Honestly tempted to grind Israel just for the Sabra. I love m60s
Can you give us war thunder wiki link pls
WT Wiki Links no longer exist for vehicles that aren't officially released gaijin removed that feature with the updated wiki. You have to mod in the vehicle with custom hangars.
Not sure why you're hating on the L23 when the Leopards at 10.7 use DM23
Because the playstyles of both of those tanks are different. The Leopards can play super aggressive meaning that most of the time DM23 will be fine. FV4030 has to find good positions or hull down where just L23 will be lacking. specially since you will be engaging most targets from the front with FV4030.
Or the M1 Abrams which uses m774 at 10.7. 410mm of flat pen will get through any tank at 8.7-10.7. Yeah it won’t pen the hull of a T80UD but what does? If you don’t shoot the LFP or drivers sight you’re not killing that thing with most tanks.
More boring British hate. This tank is absolutely fine at 9.7 and has the ability to kill tanks and tank shots.
@@DawgIVLife The L23 is fine for 9.7
@@MJA-0330 I agree but like the DM23 it becomes a bit long in the tooth at 10.7.
@@crazyadam9281 The 2A4s could use DM33 for sure at 10.7
The biggest problem with 9.0 and above are the maps are way too small, so you cant even use the advantage of having good turrets for challenger 1 and 2, so no matter what they will always suffer... this shir 2 being at 9.7 will be good though, as you have the Olofant 2 which is really good having DM63 105mm and Gen 2 thermal gunner commander, also protection is ok.
Having both rooikats 105mm can handle 9.7 and uptiers with the speed and firepower, its not a bad line up, with khalid aswell, the sad part i you just lack spaa with missiles as you only get that at 10.0 and above...
I just don't like this is the same BR as the Sabra which has much better penetration AND thermals. Any thermals makes a big difference.
Challentain or chiefter I kind of like Chiefter hey guys it's the Chiefter here coming at ya with another video
im already 12.0 with uk ground, this thing is 9.7 so no lineup and 750k is too much of a hassle for selling on the marketplace, so im skipping it
looks like a meh tank IMMA get it just to have it
Wait is the event live?
Starts on the 17th
@ thanks man
It should be 9.3 max...
L23 underpowered?
It's got vastly more pen than the Abrams' M774 round at 10.7 (edit : and the Abrams' is a 105mm vs this 120)
Are you high? 😂
If people can't make 400+ pen APFSDS work, the issue isn't the round but behind the keyboard.
Its not worth the time , why not play the challenger its only like a few br higher or just the chieftain?
Both are worse version of T-72, which is only at 9.3...yeah, british tree sucks.
@alexturnbackthearmy1907 I actually had a decent time wirh it not to good but the British are ok
so feeling lost here, are event vehicles only for pc players? i cant find the events that say anything about giving you a tank and if so war thunder is a hoe ass game
45k XP, hmmmmmm
Would the Armor more what the Armor actually is in reality yeah then the Tank would be a great tank that is able to work as a Tank and not like a I have to sit back 2000+ meters to fight enemys in a Hiding spot and hope not to get hit cause Gaijin litterly Deleted the Armor strengh the Challenger 1 and 2 Tanks actually have. I remember the Time when Chally 1 comes to the game with his 450mm Hull Protection and 600-650mm turret protection wich is actually the Exact Armor Values from this tank so the 3BM42 or the DM33 cannot Oenetrate the Hull because the Russians build the 3BM46 to Penetrate Western Armor like from the Abrams or the Challenger or Leo2 tanks cause the Early round wich Include 3BM11/3BM15 and so on up to the 3BM42 they suck. I mean the 3BM42 wasnt even capable of Penetration the Side Armor from the Chally 2 in the Iraq war. There are so much things they are just a reason for Balance in this game especially for the British top tanks like the Challys wich means Armor, Mobility and Penetration on Range. I mean its a Tank build to defeat the Heaviest Oenetrator and to snipe any tank like a Sniper put into a Bunker. That was the Idea and gaijin took everything elaway 😂👍🏽