Well, in no way she wanted an investment. she came in just for the TV and TH-cam advertising. And let's be honest, it's worth way more than £72K... So well done to her for succeeding, but she could have tried to be more natural in her posture rather than trying to look like a "superwoman".
When Peter made his offer and changed the whole angle of how he thinks the business should be run - you could see all the other dragons thinking to themselves "Damn, why did't I think of that, I shouldn't have gone out!" Peter was very clever to wait till the end to say that. Tej then made an offer directly after.
While she was correct in saying it's unfair to the other investors that bought it at a similar amount. The difference is they aren't literal tech giants and health specialists, that can open doors to unique partnerships and opportunities to make so much more money
On returning to the elevator without an investment she almost looked natural and relatable for a second. Then she remembered about the camera and went back to that silly and useless pose 🤦🏻♀️
‘because you are seeing changes, you are inclined to pay’ -for the app. I’m telling you😂, She almost pulled one over the Dragons with her front & confidence.
It is genius to us. But actually, it's a very common business model in the tech world. There are some very good but common ways to monetize data. For something 'genius', watch Gener8's pitch. Now that is a clever business model which even Peter acknowledged.
she should have given away 7 percent and asked them to drop to 3 percent after receiving their moneys. 1.3% was a joke because they are not normal investors; having them on board literally increases the value of the company!
Really?? Why has Deborah Meaden's net worth not increased at all in nearly 20 years??! It's a myth that these people automatically add value... They know their sectors well but try and branch into the unknown. Mark Cuban from Shark Tank (America's equivalent) said recently that he is down overall from his investments on the show over 13 series. Yes they have had their occasional hits, which is great, but nothing is guaranteed here
A bit of a Elon Musk move here i feel. Promoting advertising hyping a idea and product with no intention of doing a deal. I would have loved Duncan to be in one of the seats for this one.
Any pitch where they offer 1% and can only move to 1.3% doesn't seriously want the investment. You'd know coming on that the Dragons negotiate. Clearly just for advertising and guess why not lol
That’s not how things work in the real world. This is just a tv show and in real investing it is very unlikely you will give other investors a better deal especially to the extent that the dragons offered.
NOPE she didnt want a deal. She just wanted the advertising. In 2023 there are 50+ apps in the appstore with this information. Many of them have no or very low monthly subscription costs...you just have to agree to ads, emails and text
Who the he'll actually thinks the dragons are going to give them 72k for 1% and the 1.03% what a slap in the face to thendragons who would have definitely added way more value than that.
She stated the obvious & is completely delusional. Baffled by Peter & Tej making an offer. I never thought they'd be delusional but I guess for some things they both are.
I know Peter is disappointed. Imo he gave the best offer by fixing her subscription problem and then simultaneously giving her a new business model that could definitely work. He was even considering dropping his equity, but she still said no. Such a shame
Very interesting business proposition. Definitely not competing with Netflix subscribers. It's targeting those thst are active fitness and sport enthusiasts who get up early in the morning while the Netflix viewers are sleeping off their late night box-set consumption. Clever woman who got free advice and will no doubt get her 1% investment elsewhere from less risk-averse technologically astute investors.
1% is nuts. So she is planning to become a billionaire while the dragon will have to make a living dumpster diving after bankrolling the operation. If she had asked for 500k and offered 25% it would have made some sense. At 1% the dragon might not even get a seat at the board.
Where is the red cloth and bull ? I know tho that this pitch is a load of old bull. If only there was flow signals, I say it every time. Flow signals people, FLOW SIGNALS
when Helene Guillaume Pabis already raised 1.3 million pounds at 7.2 million pound valuation, Dragons cant ask for a higher % share for 72K, it will not be fare to founder investors. 10% offer may seem low but its 10 times more than she was asking, had she offered 10% and someone asked her 10 times that, would be 100% of her company.
"10% offer may seem low but its 10 times more than she was asking, had she offered 10% and someone asked her 10 times that, would be 100% of her company." But she didn't offer 10% so none of that is relevant.
Could you imagine dealing with this woman??? Toxic male! That power posture was so off-putting! Im a strong, independent woman! She probably got investment the same way elizabeth Homes did lol
If a man started a man only company - it would be sexist and bigoted and everything else. BUT because its a woman doing it, all of a sudden its a wonderful thing to be sexist and exclude based on gender? OK. Got it. *Thumbs up*
@@Lunchladydoyle dude, im referring to ANY kind of app or business in existence in the Western World. You sound so...unintelligent laughing when youve completely misunderstood the info xD
@@Lunchladydoyle Literally, itd be shut down FAST if a man started an all male company and declared no women would be allowed to be part of it, you know? :)
She looks ridiculous the way she stands there. And, I certainly wouldn't use the app. 10 bucks a month? Ridiculous. 5 employees, 38k on the bank. Although, she had to raise money again, I think. Also, she started another company "Always Jump".
Entrepreneur: I’m offering 1% of my company
Touker: 😴 🛌
They didn't really savage her about the 1% or question her about the other investors. She is crazy not to take a deal for 10%
She probably wasn't in the position to give away 10%.
They probably did but just didn’t put it in the edit
100%!
she is crazy, you are correct
her evaluation was 7M. the dragons went and gave it a 700K evaluation instead. the current investors would complain for sure if she accepted that
Well, in no way she wanted an investment. she came in just for the TV and TH-cam advertising. And let's be honest, it's worth way more than £72K... So well done to her for succeeding, but she could have tried to be more natural in her posture rather than trying to look like a "superwoman".
Exactly
I thought the same, but Wonder Woman.
Hope she fails, absolute chancer
Kinda seems to be emulating Elizabeth Holmes which is a choice lol
Yea haha I thought that stance was pretty hilaire
There's no doubt she wasn't there for an investment! The smile and "power" poses don't hide the shrewdness.
Elizabet Holmes comes to mind, i wonder why.
Yes... I was thinking the same... just a fraud
She’s clearly styled herself on her, which is strange given how that story played out.
I was thinking exactly the same. Both are psychopaths.
Eamon more like
When Peter made his offer and changed the whole angle of how he thinks the business should be run - you could see all the other dragons thinking to themselves "Damn, why did't I think of that, I shouldn't have gone out!"
Peter was very clever to wait till the end to say that. Tej then made an offer directly after.
Where is duncan when u need him ? 🤣 the roast session is different when he is there lol
I'm not sure if hands on hips is an appropriate stance for a business pitch. 🤔
The worst one can do!
She thinks she's doing a power pose haha not a good sign
She looks dumb
Oh it was cringe
The power poses were really cringey
She came for the marketing with the 1% offer
Did she tell you that?
@@coolbeanz1702 Is that really a question 😂
@@coolbeanz1702 No but she told me. Happy now?
@@JustMe-fo4ev yeah, just you!
The confrontational posture was rather odd.
She seems like a Bond villain.
I totally loathed that posture!
Tactic used by insecure people to appear empowered.
the hands on the hip is just too much for me...😂😂
They never ask about how she gets the information and life advice for the app. Is she a psychologist and nutritionist?🤔⁉️⁉️
"Touker would you get out of bed for 0.03%" 😂😂
While she was correct in saying it's unfair to the other investors that bought it at a similar amount.
The difference is they aren't literal tech giants and health specialists, that can open doors to unique partnerships and opportunities to make so much more money
It’s crazy when you randomly jump from old to new episodes of dragons den, and you’re taken aback on how the dragons age 😅
Don’t think Peters changed much but can always tell what series it is by Deborah’s haircut.
Do you really find it "Crazy" that human beings age with the passage of time??? Seek help.
I like how she's always doing Wonder Woman poses for the elevator camera.
Power poses lol total red flag
On returning to the elevator without an investment she almost looked natural and relatable for a second. Then she remembered about the camera and went back to that silly and useless pose 🤦🏻♀️
Absolute cringe from start to finish 😬
Not really
Touker’s Iconic Phrase -
“You’re very credible”
You are very credibal to lol
This is my favorite overall grroup of Dragons
She sounds like the chick from Theranos 😂😮
And the power clothes. It was my first thought but I love her French accent.
Kinda, right? Almost like she spoke deeper than her natural voice. Well, at least her product wasn't completely made up XD
👍💯% scary
Lmao
She really does
‘because you are seeing changes, you are inclined to pay’ -for the app. I’m telling you😂, She almost pulled one over the Dragons with her front & confidence.
Luv their faces of the dragons when peter says yea i luv this , their faces just drop
What Peter said is pure genius
It is genius to us. But actually, it's a very common business model in the tech world. There are some very good but common ways to monetize data. For something 'genius', watch Gener8's pitch. Now that is a clever business model which even Peter acknowledged.
I was intrigued by her stance/ poses
Pure arrogance, self imbued.
she should have given away 7 percent and asked them to drop to 3 percent after receiving their moneys. 1.3% was a joke because they are not normal investors; having them on board literally increases the value of the company!
1.03%
Really?? Why has Deborah Meaden's net worth not increased at all in nearly 20 years??! It's a myth that these people automatically add value... They know their sectors well but try and branch into the unknown. Mark Cuban from Shark Tank (America's equivalent) said recently that he is down overall from his investments on the show over 13 series. Yes they have had their occasional hits, which is great, but nothing is guaranteed here
Hands on hips - like a little defiant toddler. Is this modern wamen power 😂
But 1.03% wouldn't cut it though, for anyone I think. Peter saw value where it had not been seen, the power of +1
People that go in with that kinda valuation offering 1% aren’t there for investment. They are there to promote their product
A bit of a Elon Musk move here i feel. Promoting advertising hyping a idea and product with no intention of doing a deal.
I would have loved Duncan to be in one of the seats for this one.
an extra 0.03%!? I'm in!!!
Any pitch where they offer 1% and can only move to 1.3% doesn't seriously want the investment. You'd know coming on that the Dragons negotiate.
Clearly just for advertising and guess why not lol
@@ingulari3977 even worse! Lol
@@ingulari3977 I've seen Touker do that before offering for I think 90% of the business to prove a point lol
That’s not how things work in the real world. This is just a tv show and in real investing it is very unlikely you will give other investors a better deal especially to the extent that the dragons offered.
Bruh, not 1.3%. She said 1.03%😂
She even said 2 dragon offers is great for validation. Smh
A workable idea, but the valuation was crazy.
just use the health app on ur iPhone
Wild AI had a net worth of 350k in2022
Definately a clever woman that knows her stuff, just not that bright when it comes to business. Hopefully she'll learn from mistakes like this.
Lady : I was a former rugby player
Cameraman : Focuses on her hips the entire video 📹
company not worth 7.5 million, app too expensive in present format and onlywanting to give away a max of 1.03 per cent, Who is she kidding?
She wanted to be on TV
She has Elizabeth Holmes vibes
Yes, I’d be a little worried investing in this Company & working with her.
Saras got the best laugh, someone needs to play it everytime someone comes into the den to offer 1%
LOOOOL 1% For this crap app...!!!????This woman living in a dreamworld!!!!😆😆😆😆😆
Hey she increased her offer to 1.03%, what a deal!
@@Clamfaced all 5 should of jumped on the deal😆
1.03% what a fantastic investment
It's still going, and it not like she needs the money
@@petesmart1983 you can make any app still going. The question Is her business still sustainable and raking in the proper.
What app is it ?
Peter getting insulted by equity.
Every decent person is
@@singularity844 if equity insults you, you're not a decent person.
@@SiriusMined equity is a term that enveloped the former “equality” and says that everyone needs to end up at the same place, does it not?
@@singularity844 Equity means assuming some people are inferior and the only way they can succeed is if you take from others and had it to them.
@@singularity844 no, it doesn't.
I always like to track the further success (or otherwise) of companies, however I didn't catch the name of her company - anyone??
this just rubs off the wrong way, even the stance bugs me
Elizabeth Holmes vibes.
You might want to consider adjusting the audio volume for the narrator part.
Seems like a massive mistake not negotiating at all, did she even want a deal?
What are you saying? She offered them an entire extra three hundredths of one percent! 😆
NOPE she didnt want a deal. She just wanted the advertising. In 2023 there are 50+ apps in the appstore with this information. Many of them have no or very low monthly subscription costs...you just have to agree to ads, emails and text
@@JazzyMarineVet FitBit has zero ads or emails/texts.
Im a guy and i felt empowered just listening to her 😂😂😂
1.03% lol. All the existing investors get diluted to pieces lol
That’s an interesting statement Sara?? No it’s A TRUE FACT!
love her ted talk Pose!
“Why are you excluding us?”
Because, Peter, I doubt you have periods, pregnancy or menopause 😂😭
And lower intelligence 😂😭
You never know I’m this day and age
Did you just assume "its" gender?
woah that's dangerous thinking!
Getting major Elizabeth Holmes vibes from this lady
wow this is the first time I am so thrown off by an investor's body language that I want to see them leave the den asap. terrible
What is this lady on, with her stance the only thing missing is a cape.
She has incredible poise. Not sure the business is so good, but great poise.
Who the he'll actually thinks the dragons are going to give them 72k for 1% and the 1.03% what a slap in the face to thendragons who would have definitely added way more value than that.
She stated the obvious & is completely delusional. Baffled by Peter & Tej making an offer. I never thought they'd be delusional but I guess for some things they both are.
I know Peter is disappointed. Imo he gave the best offer by fixing her subscription problem and then simultaneously giving her a new business model that could definitely work. He was even considering dropping his equity, but she still said no. Such a shame
I thought it was Peter Pan with that stance
Creating needs for women who they can control by themself.
Ridiculous counter offer and valuation in my opinion. I would also question if she understands her own product.
What’s with the so-called power stance? It looks ridiculous.
I would have asked if I could buy back 5% of the stock. Raising it to just 1.03% was a huge mistake
It makes me think it was an advertising pitch by countering with 1.03
Very interesting business proposition. Definitely not competing with Netflix subscribers. It's targeting those thst are active fitness and sport enthusiasts who get up early in the morning while the Netflix viewers are sleeping off their late night box-set consumption. Clever woman who got free advice and will no doubt get her 1% investment elsewhere from less risk-averse technologically astute investors.
1% is nuts. So she is planning to become a billionaire while the dragon will have to make a living dumpster diving after bankrolling the operation. If she had asked for 500k and offered 25% it would have made some sense. At 1% the dragon might not even get a seat at the board.
anyone up for a game of fencing ?..........
Touker should start off the pitch in a bed and if it's not more than 1% he just stays in there
This is brilliant
Once I hear the word "empower" I instantly switch off
She talks about women and FemTech - what bullshit is fem tech now? Elizabeth Holmes version 2.
Where is the red cloth and bull ? I know tho that this pitch is a load of old bull. If only there was flow signals, I say it every time. Flow signals people, FLOW SIGNALS
We are NOT machines!!!
No one has said you are.
when Helene Guillaume Pabis already raised 1.3 million pounds at 7.2 million pound valuation, Dragons cant ask for a higher % share for 72K, it will not be fare to founder investors. 10% offer may seem low but its 10 times more than she was asking, had she offered 10% and someone asked her 10 times that, would be 100% of her company.
"10% offer may seem low but its 10 times more than she was asking, had she offered 10% and someone asked her 10 times that, would be 100% of her company."
But she didn't offer 10% so none of that is relevant.
The Dragons offer more value than her other investors.
She gives off Elizabeth Holmes vibes which gives me the creeps. The app looks pretty bad and no way I would pay 120$ annually to use it.
What is a woman?
Peter: "I don't like your voice and I don't like women so for that reason I'm out" 😂😂
I like the way she stands there like she's Wonder Woman or something.
Something.
"Women are not Men", you Cannot say that anymore, You'll be Cancelled.
Looks like Barbara and Lori conference called to say that they are out before they are even in to be out....
Just send me a huge pile of cash because I don’t have a product that sells
Tech services businesses are doomed
"women are not men" this woman should have spoken to Nicola "Krankie" Sturgeon.
Ugh. 🤢
An app for the superior player
anyone who goes on the show asking for 1% is there purely for the free advertising.
Could you imagine dealing with this woman??? Toxic male! That power posture was so off-putting! Im a strong, independent woman! She probably got investment the same way elizabeth Homes did lol
something not right with that woman? Or she simply did this, knowing she would get TV coverage to launch the app.
She will regret it.
Regret what? It not like she needs the money
@@petesmart1983 The combined skills/contacts of the 2 Dragons.
Did she say 1.03% 😂😂😂
Reminds me of 'Ruja Ignatova'
If Wonder Woman was cocky and delusional...
Power Stance, no money. Never going to be a deal
By the looks of it, more and more people are just there for the free publicity! 🤣🤣🤣
Ridiculous going in the den only willing to increase by 0.03%. Why did she even go to the wall !
What a crazy little lady with that valuation
If she pitched her business in America they would have debated what a woman is until all the investors are "out".
If a man started a man only company - it would be sexist and bigoted and everything else. BUT because its a woman doing it, all of a sudden its a wonderful thing to be sexist and exclude based on gender?
OK. Got it. *Thumbs up*
Yeah it’s really unfair there isn’t an all male app to help you track your ovulation schedule .. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@Lunchladydoyle dude, im referring to ANY kind of app or business in existence in the Western World. You sound so...unintelligent laughing when youve completely misunderstood the info xD
@@Lunchladydoyle Literally, itd be shut down FAST if a man started an all male company and declared no women would be allowed to be part of it, you know? :)
@@FactsB4Feelingsffs what r u on
@@aa4488 Am I wrong? Provide one example of a "Men only" company in europe or america these days? I challenge and dare you friend! ^_^
She looks ridiculous the way she stands there. And, I certainly wouldn't use the app. 10 bucks a month? Ridiculous.
5 employees, 38k on the bank. Although, she had to raise money again, I think. Also, she started another company "Always Jump".
I thought she was going to challenge them to a fencing bout… 🗡️😧
What's her stance about? Is it supposed to give out powerful vibes? I find it so unnatural and unnecessary.