Academic Authorship Wars: The Battle for First Author vs Corresponding Author

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  • Navigating the intricate landscape of academic authorship reveals a complex hierarchy where the positions of first author vs corresponding author hold significant sway.
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    This video delves into the nuances and power dynamics between these critical roles, shedding light on why first author and corresponding author matters so much. Each title carries with it weighty implications for recognition and future academic opportunities.
    Understanding the importance of first author and corresponding author in research publications is crucial.
    The video also discusses the subtle differences in first author vs co-author roles, highlighting that while co-authors contribute, they may not have as pivotal a role as the first author. The dynamics of authorship extend to the delicate balance between first author and second author, where even slight shifts in order can reflect significant changes in contribution and recognition.
    The video explores the contentious debates and ethical dilemmas that often surround authorship in academic circles. It underscores the critical importance of transparency and fairness in the attribution of credit, which not only honors individual contributions but also upholds the integrity of the scientific endeavor itself.
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    00:00 Why Is Author Order Contested?
    02:56 Too Many Authors on a paper?
    05:15 Corresponding author
    10:26 Gift Authorship?
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  • @hedleypanama
    @hedleypanama 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    In Karolinska Institute, the first and corresponding author is a PhD student, while the last one is his/her supervisor!

  • @Mhaelful
    @Mhaelful หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I was burned twice by "senior" researchers as a student when it came to authorship.
    The first time, I was helping on the back-end of a conference wherein all of the editors of the major journals within the field sat at a series of round table-discussions to discuss future directions within that field. I was told to write a paper on the major themes that were covered within those discussions, and that I'd be an author on that paper. I kid you not, the editors took my work (word-for-word), placed their names on the manuscript, published it in the leading journal within the field, and put my name in the "acknowledgements" section.
    The second time I was working on a major collaboration with researchers from a different country (the funding for this project was in the millions). I produced two manuscripts from the work being done. The PI of the other collaborating country, who had a PhD student at the time, told me to place their student as first author on the manuscripts. That way, the student could include the articles within their own dissertation. This student was not affiliated with the project, and had not contributed any work. However, if I refused to put them as first author, the PI threatened to pull their portion of the funding from the project.
    Needless to say, I learned a lot from those experiences and have sword never to let it happen to me, or any student I supervise in the future.

  • @mamary9800
    @mamary9800 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Ah, only a daring soul like you could unravel such truths! With unmatched courage, you've peeled back layers to reveal what lies beneath.

  • @user-in5xz4hq4l
    @user-in5xz4hq4l หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I am so fortunate to be a mathematician / theoretical computer scientist - we always order authors alphabetically.
    In fact, the described situation (putting somebody just because they are in the same group) would be borderline (?) misconduct in maths / tcs.

  • @Inaka90
    @Inaka90 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Two professors I have worked with demanded they be first author on projects in which they wound up doing a lot less work than me. People outside of academia may not realize how ruthless, unethical, and immoral some academics are.
    When it comes to papers that are collaborations between professors and (post-)graduate students, in a lot of cases, the (post-)graduate student really deserve the first author position. Or even sole authorship. This is just anecdotal evidence from my own experiences, but I suspect it's fairly common.

  • @mphamphatso8136
    @mphamphatso8136 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    There should be clear and distinct roles assigned for authorship contributions. The 'author' designation should be reserved for those who made substantive intellectual contributions to the research work itself. The 'corresponding author' should just be called corresponder. Funders should also be separately acknowledged for providing financial support. Trying to merge these different roles creates ambiguity and potential conflicts over credit assignment. Maintaining transparency by explicitly delineating authors, corresponderss, and funders etc based on their specific roles is important for academic integrity.

  • @kane6106
    @kane6106 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    In my field, more than 5-6 sets off alarm bells so loud that even a top hit gets sus. 3-4 is about the legit limit.

  • @Change_O
    @Change_O 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ive heard that too. A student that did all the leg work for a research project and wasnt even put as a named author on the research journal paper. The student let it happen and there was no ill feeling or concern by the student. I wonder if the student looks back and thinks differently now about it?

  • @brbicecream1249
    @brbicecream1249 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Andy, How many first author papers is good for an early career researcher?

    • @naftalibendavid
      @naftalibendavid 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Depends on your field. One that appears in a great journal is better than three in a bad one. In any field, if you publish three in good journals that build on one another, that’s a good sign.

    • @oscarstaszky1960
      @oscarstaszky1960 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      just focus on doing a good one man, you'd be way less burnout by not worrying about paper amounts than actual paper quality

    • @user-lt9tu1lv7l
      @user-lt9tu1lv7l หลายเดือนก่อน

      There are 10 million papers last year alone. Most academics only have a few pieces of gold on a large pile of s***, and they hallucinate themselves thinking that they have published a heap of gold. :). Just publish…or perish.

  • @oliverknill631
    @oliverknill631 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    5000 authors for a paper is indeed hilarious.

  • @user-wh4we7ep1t
    @user-wh4we7ep1t 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi,how can i conmect with you?!

  • @aldorodriguez7310
    @aldorodriguez7310 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

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  • @Jieyang-gp2mq
    @Jieyang-gp2mq หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How much does the university and the professor typically make, directly or indirectly, from each publication?

    • @user-in5xz4hq4l
      @user-in5xz4hq4l หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Nothing directly. Indirectly, it contributes to your promotions.

    • @Jieyang-gp2mq
      @Jieyang-gp2mq หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@user-in5xz4hq4l That is what I thought but when I publish an article or download an article from a journal I have to pay where does all that money go to? Is the university making money directly so that it rewards the faculties by promoting them?

  • @scottmiller2591
    @scottmiller2591 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    When the authors include craft services, you know they've gone too far.

  • @VladyslavKL
    @VladyslavKL หลายเดือนก่อน

    🕊

  • @epireve
    @epireve 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’ll have Chat GPT as my first author cheers

  • @user-lt9tu1lv7l
    @user-lt9tu1lv7l หลายเดือนก่อน

    Didn’t realise you are based in Australia. :). Well done. Please talk about the crazy stupid obsession over h index, and the completely flawed non double-blinded funding system.

  • @64standardtrickyness
    @64standardtrickyness 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In math/Computer Science we go by alphabetical order.

  • @imthatnggruponthatnag7784
    @imthatnggruponthatnag7784 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Aside the first author, who is obviously responsible for most of the work, ALL other authors should be named alphabetically.

  • @nicholasasante2295
    @nicholasasante2295 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What does it mean to have your name come second among five authors?

    • @leondbleondb
      @leondbleondb 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      2nd out of 5 :)

    • @user-lt9tu1lv7l
      @user-lt9tu1lv7l หลายเดือนก่อน

      That means it is nothing. :). Only the first and last are being glanced, everyone else in between will be forgotten. Don’t be deceived.

  • @lilied1
    @lilied1 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The only person citing my papers is myself. I only have a few papers and on all of them I am both the first author and the corresponding author. So I always feel kinda weird seeing my own name cited in the middle of the text 🫠