Everyone, be sure to pray for Corey Minor of "Smart Christians Channel" that he be converted to the full acceptance of Pentecost. He is having a live show about Remnant Radio right now!
We are called to seek after spiritual gifts. Many of us are not seeking after spiritual gifts, rather we are seeking after the person, conference and so on, to impart the gift. on us.
May revelation, joy, peace, mercy and power in the Spirit be ever present in the land of the thistle! "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved, you and your house."
All people should be willing & open to chaging their views & growing in Christ. Even if that means in the case of a pastor they change their stance on positions & scripture.
The verse you said. Fan in to flames the gift of God that is inside you, by the laying on of hands. This verse already says the gift of God is already inside of us
"Dioko Ha Agape". 1 Corinthians 14:1 Can literally mean "Persecute love". Dioko is the word Jesus used when he asked Saul why he was "dioko" him. It is this use of "follow" that paul choses to express how we should pursue Love. It's a different word for follow. Stronger. Love is the ONLY gift we're told to "dioko". Love is the greatest gift. So let us all earnestly pursue, intensely chase, diligently hunt down, Love.
Guys... Can we all stand together and pray for Andrew Tate. 1.That he'll come to know Jesus as his Lord and Savior 2.That he'll get a fair and honest and just trial 🙏
Amen, thank you. Praise Jesus Christ ✝️🙌🏻 Follow up next time w fact not everyone is healed or delivered. Lots people w chronic/debilitating diseases ??? 💙💙💙👊👊👊🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻✝️✝️✝️🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Unless circumstances, just absolutely dictated search, I would not go to a church that believed that the gifts have ceased. I might visit, but I would not regularly attend. If a pastor believed that the gifts had ceased, unless he was a very open individual, I wouldn’t even try to convince him. I would just get out of there and go somewhere else. I know that sounds mean, but it is what it is. he probably knows all of the arguments and all of that, and especially if you are a lay person, he probably wouldn’t be open to hearing. He might, but I probably wouldn’t risk it.
Also the gifts of the Spirit are by "grace," and grace and gift are very similar words in the Greek: "charis" and "charisma." The point is both are granted by God and are not drummed up by will, though our faith and obedience is always involved. The Reformed view by "grace alone" is misleading. Nothing the Spirit does can be ungracious. But we need to separate the gift from the container: "We have this treasure in an earthen vessel, that the excellency of the power may be of God and not us."
Almost at the end of the show, Roundtree (usually a great teacher) allowed his "reformed theology" to come out with an incorrect Calvinistic interpretation of both 'election' and 'predestination.' Also, please note that the words "God's sovereignty" are not found in scriptures. Interestingly, Josh (RR founder) does not share this view.
What do you think the term God's sovereignty means? Because it's concepts are definitely found in Scripture. For example, God working all things for our good is an example of his sovereignty. Only he has the ability to turn bad things into good things and to guide us through life, which is a minefield
@@Logic807 "Trinity" is a red herring. FYI: I do not use the term. The real issue is the Divinity of Jesus and the identify of the Holy Spirit (not a "Star Wars" force). Roundtree is on-board with both.
@@Logic807 you know, something I literally just learned is that the name Elohim is a plural name but it was used with a singular verb in the Bible. This would let the ancient Hebrews know that God was both plural and singular at the same time. They may not have known about the three-in-one Concepts yet oh, but they definitely knew that God was both plural and singular at the same time. Also, the New Testament makes it very clear that Jesus is both the Son of God and God and that the holy spirit is God's spirit. So there are three persons in one God. Feel free to ask me any questions and I may be able to point you to some good Bible verses. It may not say trinity in the Bible, but the concept is there.
If we go with scripture. Jesus called the disciples to follow me. Then jesus taught them Gods ways then he gave them the gift the Holy Spirit. Sent out they went. If this is the process it sounds like we need to learn who God is before we walk in the spirit
When the scripture says my sheep hear my voice. Is a shephard & sheep reference. Do sheep just follow anyone. The idea is i know God & when He soeaks i know it is God speaking regardless if i can see Him. So if Gid speaks we will know it is God. I don't think that if God spoke through another this counts unless we hear God rather than that persons voice speaking.
I was just wondering I’ve never seen or read anything in the Bible about training for the spiritual gifts like healing and such like at Bill Johnson’s Bethel church they have prophecy training and I just think it’s a little you know on the weird side or maybe just not biblical but I’m not a secessionist I was raised Pentecostal assemblies of God we didn’t get out of church tell sister Jones to blabbed something in an unknown tongue. Like your show.
Holy Spirit is the power of the kingdom. 1Cor. 4:20 the Kingdom is not in word, but in power In Acts, Jesus told His disciples to wait for the power to come upon them which is Holy Spirit.
i know this was live, and isn't anylonger going...but could anyone please shed light on why a life long christian with many spiritual gifts (knowlege, discernment, intercession) would sometimes have energy feelings in graveyards (don't believe in ghosts per say but understand spirits of nephalim might still exist) ... i can tell sometimes even where a cemetery is before seeing it, and when in some (not all just occasionally) i get a feeling of 'energy' like i can feel personalities like joy or sorrow or the need to clean the top of a grave, etc. ... i have had it happen where i've known there is a dead person buried somewhere just by being near, it wasn't marked. that makes no sense to me as the bible says nothing that indicates that is possible. i've had interactions with the supernatural all my life, out of body experiences, seen shadow figures, had words of knowledge, etc... but this is one I can't seem to see why i'd have or what it's for or how to know?
it's for me, like reading energy.. that's how i describe it cuz that is what i feel, like it's a residual echo of a time now past. is that a thing in christianity that i've never heard of before?
@@paulral thank you, i'm subscribed to remenant radio and will seek out that particular one... i'm not familiar with EO, i'm just diving deep into the apocrypha as it seems to answer question and makes the bible make more sense to me... and i'm extremely cautious with seeking answers and asking God to be the one to provide them ...he's promised when we seek and know and ask... we are answered. I have faith in that. i'm also a very naturally skeptical but highly inquisitive individual ...so i look for answers to things that don't 'fit' in common sense.
Excellent discussion and wisdom, as always. I've been a full-gospel Christian for 48 years and I must say I have ZERO tolerance for the hard-core Cessationist. I have my share of flaws but I will state categorically that such person has the gift of pride in abundance. Period. In such a position, such person is continually flirting with, if not committing, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit: that supernatural giftings and resultant events are happening in reality cannot be denied; the cessationist, in maintaining his or her cessationist position is left with little choice but to credit the Devil. Sick and twisted. Here's a prediction: cessationist churches are going to wither and die as (formerly) Cessationist Christians realize they are woefully ill-equipped, disconnected, and powerless to deal with what is coming upon the earth.
Woah, as someone who just recently changed sides to continuationist, I couldn’t disagree more. The dying out part, yeah, I think they’ll have a higher “withering rate”. If I didn’t have continuationists who spoke to me with patience and really demonstrations, I would never have switched sides. The people in the church I grew up in are dedicated lovers of Jesus and the word of God. There’s a lense in which verses are filtered through, and you don’t realize it’s there until you’re either in the other side of it, or you experience the opposite. I can still Biblically explain why the gifts shouldn’t exist, and I can also now explain even better why they have continued on. I know the Scriptures well, and have a lot of it memorized thanks to my roots. Learn to have patience for those people. Many times they will go for it 1010% when they become convinced. To say they can’t be convinced is limiting the Holy Spirit.
About the 30 minute mark. I agree that loudness does not equate to anointing or authority. It is not how loud you are. But let me say this. You don’t have to be quiet either. Some of us just sometimes like to be loud! Lol another thing is this, in my experience, which is not the barometer of truth, sometimes, when ministering deliverance, you really have to be firm and sometimes you may get a bit animated. Hey hey hey hey, hey! You are not in charge! I did not ask your opinion! You were evicted in the mighty name of the Lord Jesus Christ! Not saying it is always that way, but some demons are stubborn, and quite frankly, it can be annoying. This sounds kind of funny, but it seems like when I get kind of perturbed and annoyed, I seem to be the most effective. Lol it’s like this is not a negotiation, this is a command, and a demand in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth so buggy, on up out of there, in the mighty name of Jesus. One of the things that bothers me is that some continuationist, because I don’t want to seem Penecostal, wanna make us always so meek and mild All the time. What’s up with that? I can be quiet, and sometimes I am, but sometimes I’m not. Some of you all can go to ball games and scream, your heads off, but when it comes to the kingdom, you want to be so quiet so you don’t look Penecostal or bombastic. Anyhow… That’s a bit of a pet peeve that I have. I know some people tend to be more into hype And sensationalism, and they bring a reproach, but it bothers me that some people tend to think that loudness, authoritativeness, and a strong personality automatically seems to equate with hype and sensationalism. When you do enough deliverance, you tend to realize that it is not a one size fits all prospect, and you might start to realize that it’s not always bad to get a little bit animated every once in a while. Just thought I would put that out there.
In the live chat, we're seeing the same sorts of arguments and confusion about the gifts. Ok, first lets exalt love (chapter 13) and walk in that, while not being "ignorant of the spiritual things" (chapter 12). 1. If Pentecostals were all wrong to a man, it does not make Pentecostalism wrong, just suspect to a degree! a. That speaking in tongues is THE evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit is wrong and unscriptural. Power to witness and other things might be evidence. b. If Pentecostals are filled with pride, they are wrong, but pride is not found only in Pentecostalism. All of us should "walk as he walked." c. Various Pentecostal traditions were being worked out as the revivalists of the early 20th century saw things happen. Later these things became enshrined, hoping to not lose what they had found. This endless revivalism still goes on, the Spirit coming and going. Whether this is actually what the Spirit does or disobedience, or some degree of both, I'm not qualified to say, and wonder if anyone can. The point is: 2. What the Spirit does is not an exact science! 3. We know the nine "manifestations" of the gift (singular) of the Spirit. There are also: a. "giftS" (plural) of healing, and Paul mentions this phrase 3 times b. the gifts are for the upbuilding of the body, not personal exaltation or God forbid, financial gain c. prophecy is to be sought after, so that the members may be edified and comforted 4. Prophecy is subject to the control of the prophet to some extent, but not the content of the message which is of the Spirit (or useless and to be rejected), likewise, we may assume 5. Divine empowerment does not subsume human will and responsibility in any case. Even without the so-called gifts, God retains what the Calvinists like to call "sovereignty" and can always heal someone from His end without any prayer or human action. There may be other miracles. And there may be false manifestations, though I am not witness to these. I have only heard. Therefore, discernment, prayer, confirmation (God does not mind confirming his word, though he may rebuke your unbelief a bit!), and the company of the saints (in the multitude of counselors is safety), these are all scriptural and good. "How much more will your Father in heaven give: 1. Good gifts 2. The Holy Spirit to those who ask." Have I said all things correctly. I hope so. Comments welcome.
When they went to the house of Cornelius they were astonished that the holy ghost was given to gentiles for they heard them speak with tongues. That sounds like evidence and is scriptural.
@@darrenplies9034 Those are TWO Gospels there my friend. This is scripture interpreting itself! But I pray that you may learn to fully understand the leavened aspect of the feast of Pentecost, since I notice you are the most ardent "midway" live chat voice! Blessings of power in the Spirit, fellowship in the Gospel and in his sufferings to all in Christ!
@@ws775 Very good evidence, and thank you for wisely noting that! May revelation peace and increased wisdom abound to you in the scriptures and in the Spirit, also to your loved ones in the faith. May salvation come to your house to stay!
@@darrenplies9034 All who partake in Pentecost are midway, but "let the bridegroom come out and the bride quit her chamber, and the priests weep (between the porch and the altar)."
Giggled at the story of the girl with the 1999 tattoo. Oh man! Did I misunderstand something about you only come to Jesus if you're willing to die for Jesus? And that that's the gospel we should be sharing?
Miller, you just said this, "I don't think healing is entirely dependent upon God's will" and you did not explain it away thoroughly. In fact, this is not explainable, and quite frankly, potentially blasphemy. I'm not sure I can ever trust what you say again, is it just me? God bless you guys, this is usually a great experience, but you let this slip out...
I think you might be misunderstanding me. Rowntree clarified what I was getting at right after regarding the two wills. If you want more clarity on that check out our video on the two wills of God. Hope that helps.
@@michaelmiller5024 Rowntree caught it right away, you should be thankful for that, not sure that would have happened had he not been there. I'm concerned that you did not catch yourself on it... I'm trying real hard to open myself to a more charismatic Christianity, but my discernment keeps getting in the way it appears...
@@charliez3432 yes, very thankful for Rowntree! I understand. Charismatic stuff in general can be scary at first. God bless you in the process all the same.
@@charliez3432 I thought Michael M was very humble - he was trying to say that sometimes God's will is affected because of us, and gave the example of the demonised person that the disciples failed to deal with. Given Jesus stepped in and dealt with the demon, logically if the disciples had been doing what they were supposed to be doing, Jesus would not have had to step in to ensure God's will was carried out - the healing of the person. Jesus' words to them strongly imply they were at fault rather than anything to do with Him having special authority (even though I know He does have special authority!) I too struggle with the whole charismatic thing. I see no reason why the gifts etc should not have continued after the apostles, so intellectually Im pretty much convinced, plus the testimony of many people from all different cultures cannot be dismissed (a well-respected New Testament scholar Craig Blomberg has written about some of his own and his family's experiences in his book 'Can we still believe the Bible'). But Ive little personal experience myself, and tbh have been disappointed when people have prayed for me and nothing has changed. Perhaps it's my personality, I think Americans tend to be more open to such things than us Brits/Irish! Years ago I even went to the Toronto church during the 'blessing' and literally nothing happened with me! Oh well. But I think these 3 guys are some of the most balanced charismatic Christians Ive heard.
The word "manifest" is deeply unhelpful. We cooperate with the Lord's will (including miraculous work, such as healing, prophecy and deliverance), we don't speak things into existence. The pagans talk of manifesting things, we need to avoid this as Christians.
@@michaelmiller5024That's fair, but in the current climate there is a serious issue with the phenomenon of manifesting things, typically worldly desires. People could certainly use the word pray in this negative context too, but in reality most people who "pray" won't be seeking the same selfish things as people who "manifest". There is also a dangerous link to the "name it and claim it" teachers. I always go back to 1 John 5.14. We need to ensure that all our requests to God are exactly that. We ask, we don't tell. We ask in faith, knowing all goodness comes from Him, but we accept when the thing we desire doesn't fall into His will.
@@robsunners I'm in complete agreement regarding the disapproval of manifesting in that new age sense and also the name it claim it. I think the solution is to use the words in a Biblical sense rather than the throwing them out. Think of the rainbow 😉.
@@michaelmiller5024That's a good way of looking at it. I want to encourage you guys. I'm in the process of deconstructing my cessationist theology, which was built on coming to faith through the teachings of the cessationist crowd. They've been a great blessing, but as David Pawson would say, I'm trying to seek "maximum" Christianity 😂. I love how you are guiding people with care but with boldness and love into that fullness. Keep it up, praying for you all 😊
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Praying for the sick is what all believers can do regardless if we have the gift of healing or not
Good stuff. Thanks guys.
Everyone, be sure to pray for Corey Minor of "Smart Christians Channel" that he be converted to the full acceptance of Pentecost. He is having a live show about Remnant Radio right now!
Good evening
We are called to seek after spiritual gifts. Many of us are not seeking after spiritual gifts, rather we are seeking after the person, conference and so on, to impart the gift. on us.
Thanks for all you do guys, from Janette in Troon, Scotland
May revelation, joy, peace, mercy and power in the Spirit be ever present in the land of the thistle!
"Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved, you and your house."
All people should be willing & open to chaging their views & growing in Christ. Even if that means in the case of a pastor they change their stance on positions & scripture.
Amen & Amen!!!
Yes, in short, we all need to be teachable!
“Show don’t tell” - such a good word Miller!
The verse you said. Fan in to flames the gift of God that is inside you, by the laying on of hands. This verse already says the gift of God is already inside of us
I would love this to have way more scripture to show these ideas
Watch their previous shows. They have like 100s of videos on the gifts of the spirit with scripture
"Dioko Ha Agape". 1 Corinthians 14:1 Can literally mean "Persecute love". Dioko is the word Jesus used when he asked Saul why he was "dioko" him. It is this use of "follow" that paul choses to express how we should pursue Love. It's a different word for follow. Stronger. Love is the ONLY gift we're told to "dioko". Love is the greatest gift. So let us all earnestly pursue, intensely chase, diligently hunt down, Love.
When it comes to dreams . What does scripture tell us & we see in scripture about dreams? Any questions about God always go to the bible & seek God
Guys... Can we all stand together and pray for Andrew Tate. 1.That he'll come to know Jesus as his Lord and Savior 2.That he'll get a fair and honest and just trial 🙏
Amen, thank you. Praise Jesus Christ ✝️🙌🏻 Follow up next time w fact not everyone is healed or delivered. Lots people w chronic/debilitating diseases ??? 💙💙💙👊👊👊🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻✝️✝️✝️🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
What does speaking in faith mean? What do you speak?
Unless circumstances, just absolutely dictated search, I would not go to a church that believed that the gifts have ceased. I might visit, but I would not regularly attend. If a pastor believed that the gifts had ceased, unless he was a very open individual, I wouldn’t even try to convince him. I would just get out of there and go somewhere else. I know that sounds mean, but it is what it is. he probably knows all of the arguments and all of that, and especially if you are a lay person, he probably wouldn’t be open to hearing. He might, but I probably wouldn’t risk it.
So is the site a infomercial for your e course?
Can I ask, a bit late, are all Beings from the Unseen Realm good or bad or is they being Spiritual irrelevant?
Don't quench the Spirit. This is not the sixteenth century. Look around TH-cam. Miracle testimonies abound. The gifts are real!
Also the gifts of the Spirit are by "grace," and grace and gift are very similar words in the Greek: "charis" and "charisma." The point is both are granted by God and are not drummed up by will, though our faith and obedience is always involved. The Reformed view by "grace alone" is misleading. Nothing the Spirit does can be ungracious. But we need to separate the gift from the container:
"We have this treasure in an earthen vessel, that the excellency of the power may be of God and not us."
Blessings, Gentlemen 🌹🌹🌹🌹
Michael round tree I sent the donation with a letter weeks ago :) did ya guys get it ? The three musketeers
Sure did! Amazing story. Thank you!
Free is always good too.
Almost at the end of the show, Roundtree (usually a great teacher) allowed his "reformed theology" to come out with an incorrect Calvinistic interpretation of both 'election' and 'predestination.' Also, please note that the words "God's sovereignty" are not found in scriptures.
Interestingly, Josh (RR founder) does not share this view.
What do you think the term God's sovereignty means? Because it's concepts are definitely found in Scripture. For example, God working all things for our good is an example of his sovereignty. Only he has the ability to turn bad things into good things and to guide us through life, which is a minefield
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Sure
My point is that Calvinists use non-scriptural terms like sovereignty total depravity etc to their detriment.
Trinity is not there too. You need to make a better argument.
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"Trinity" is a red herring.
FYI: I do not use the term.
The real issue is the Divinity of Jesus and the identify of the Holy Spirit (not a "Star Wars" force).
Roundtree is on-board with both.
@@Logic807 you know, something I literally just learned is that the name Elohim is a plural name but it was used with a singular verb in the Bible. This would let the ancient Hebrews know that God was both plural and singular at the same time. They may not have known about the three-in-one Concepts yet oh, but they definitely knew that God was both plural and singular at the same time. Also, the New Testament makes it very clear that Jesus is both the Son of God and God and that the holy spirit is God's spirit. So there are three persons in one God. Feel free to ask me any questions and I may be able to point you to some good Bible verses. It may not say trinity in the Bible, but the concept is there.
If we go with scripture. Jesus called the disciples to follow me. Then jesus taught them Gods ways then he gave them the gift the Holy Spirit. Sent out they went. If this is the process it sounds like we need to learn who God is before we walk in the spirit
What if I want ALL the gifts!? 🤣
What happens if you are not In Christ?
When the scripture says my sheep hear my voice. Is a shephard & sheep reference. Do sheep just follow anyone. The idea is i know God & when He soeaks i know it is God speaking regardless if i can see Him. So if Gid speaks we will know it is God. I don't think that if God spoke through another this counts unless we hear God rather than that persons voice speaking.
The boy who is thrown into the fire. Jesus says it was prayer & fasting for that spirit to be removed
Or is Jesus talking about unbelief coming out by prayer and fasting. Fasting from worldly principles and values helped my unbelief tremendously.
I was just wondering I’ve never seen or read anything in the Bible about training for the spiritual gifts like healing and such like at Bill Johnson’s Bethel church they have prophecy training and I just think it’s a little you know on the weird side or maybe just not biblical but I’m not a secessionist I was raised Pentecostal assemblies of God we didn’t get out of church tell sister Jones to blabbed something in an unknown tongue. Like your show.
What is the power we are given?
Holy Spirit is the power of the kingdom.
1Cor. 4:20 the Kingdom is not in word, but in power
In Acts, Jesus told His disciples to wait for the power to come upon them which is Holy Spirit.
i know this was live, and isn't anylonger going...but could anyone please shed light on why a life long christian with many spiritual gifts (knowlege, discernment, intercession) would sometimes have energy feelings in graveyards (don't believe in ghosts per say but understand spirits of nephalim might still exist) ... i can tell sometimes even where a cemetery is before seeing it, and when in some (not all just occasionally) i get a feeling of 'energy' like i can feel personalities like joy or sorrow or the need to clean the top of a grave, etc. ... i have had it happen where i've known there is a dead person buried somewhere just by being near, it wasn't marked. that makes no sense to me as the bible says nothing that indicates that is possible. i've had interactions with the supernatural all my life, out of body experiences, seen shadow figures, had words of knowledge, etc... but this is one I can't seem to see why i'd have or what it's for or how to know?
it's for me, like reading energy.. that's how i describe it cuz that is what i feel, like it's a residual echo of a time now past. is that a thing in christianity that i've never heard of before?
@@paulral thank you, i'm subscribed to remenant radio and will seek out that particular one... i'm not familiar with EO, i'm just diving deep into the apocrypha as it seems to answer question and makes the bible make more sense to me... and i'm extremely cautious with seeking answers and asking God to be the one to provide them ...he's promised when we seek and know and ask... we are answered. I have faith in that. i'm also a very naturally skeptical but highly inquisitive individual ...so i look for answers to things that don't
'fit' in common sense.
and thank YOU very very much for your reply ...so appreciated ....blessings.
💯🔥 AMEN 🔥👏👏👏👏🙏
Excellent discussion and wisdom, as always. I've been a full-gospel Christian for 48 years and I must say I have ZERO tolerance for the hard-core Cessationist. I have my share of flaws but I will state categorically that such person has the gift of pride in abundance. Period. In such a position, such person is continually flirting with, if not committing, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit: that supernatural giftings and resultant events are happening in reality cannot be denied; the cessationist, in maintaining his or her cessationist position is left with little choice but to credit the Devil. Sick and twisted.
Here's a prediction: cessationist churches are going to wither and die as (formerly) Cessationist Christians realize they are woefully ill-equipped, disconnected, and powerless to deal with what is coming upon the earth.
Woah, as someone who just recently changed sides to continuationist, I couldn’t disagree more. The dying out part, yeah, I think they’ll have a higher “withering rate”. If I didn’t have continuationists who spoke to me with patience and really demonstrations, I would never have switched sides. The people in the church I grew up in are dedicated lovers of Jesus and the word of God. There’s a lense in which verses are filtered through, and you don’t realize it’s there until you’re either in the other side of it, or you experience the opposite. I can still Biblically explain why the gifts shouldn’t exist, and I can also now explain even better why they have continued on. I know the Scriptures well, and have a lot of it memorized thanks to my roots. Learn to have patience for those people. Many times they will go for it 1010% when they become convinced. To say they can’t be convinced is limiting the Holy Spirit.
About the 30 minute mark. I agree that loudness does not equate to anointing or authority. It is not how loud you are. But let me say this. You don’t have to be quiet either. Some of us just sometimes like to be loud! Lol another thing is this, in my experience, which is not the barometer of truth, sometimes, when ministering deliverance, you really have to be firm and sometimes you may get a bit animated. Hey hey hey hey, hey! You are not in charge! I did not ask your opinion! You were evicted in the mighty name of the Lord Jesus Christ! Not saying it is always that way, but some demons are stubborn, and quite frankly, it can be annoying. This sounds kind of funny, but it seems like when I get kind of perturbed and annoyed, I seem to be the most effective. Lol it’s like this is not a negotiation, this is a command, and a demand in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth so buggy, on up out of there, in the mighty name of Jesus. One of the things that bothers me is that some continuationist, because I don’t want to seem Penecostal, wanna make us always so meek and mild All the time. What’s up with that? I can be quiet, and sometimes I am, but sometimes I’m not. Some of you all can go to ball games and scream, your heads off, but when it comes to the kingdom, you want to be so quiet so you don’t look Penecostal or bombastic. Anyhow… That’s a bit of a pet peeve that I have. I know some people tend to be more into hype And sensationalism, and they bring a reproach, but it bothers me that some people tend to think that loudness, authoritativeness, and a strong personality automatically seems to equate with hype and sensationalism. When you do enough deliverance, you tend to realize that it is not a one size fits all prospect, and you might start to realize that it’s not always bad to get a little bit animated every once in a while. Just thought I would put that out there.
In the live chat, we're seeing the same sorts of arguments and confusion about the gifts. Ok, first lets exalt love (chapter 13) and walk in that, while not being "ignorant of the spiritual things" (chapter 12).
1. If Pentecostals were all wrong to a man, it does not make Pentecostalism wrong, just suspect to a degree!
a. That speaking in tongues is THE evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit is wrong and unscriptural. Power to witness and other things might be evidence.
b. If Pentecostals are filled with pride, they are wrong, but pride is not found only in Pentecostalism. All of us should "walk as he walked."
c. Various Pentecostal traditions were being worked out as the revivalists of the early 20th century saw things happen. Later these things became enshrined, hoping to not lose what they had found. This endless revivalism still goes on, the Spirit coming and going. Whether this is actually what the Spirit does or disobedience, or some degree of both, I'm not qualified to say, and wonder if anyone can. The point is:
2. What the Spirit does is not an exact science!
3. We know the nine "manifestations" of the gift (singular) of the Spirit. There are also:
a. "giftS" (plural) of healing, and Paul mentions this phrase 3 times
b. the gifts are for the upbuilding of the body, not personal exaltation or God forbid, financial gain
c. prophecy is to be sought after, so that the members may be edified and comforted
4. Prophecy is subject to the control of the prophet to some extent, but not the content of the message which is of the Spirit (or useless and to be rejected), likewise, we may assume
5. Divine empowerment does not subsume human will and responsibility in any case.
Even without the so-called gifts, God retains what the Calvinists like to call "sovereignty" and can always heal someone from His end without any prayer or human action. There may be other miracles. And there may be false manifestations, though I am not witness to these. I have only heard. Therefore, discernment, prayer, confirmation (God does not mind confirming his word, though he may rebuke your unbelief a bit!), and the company of the saints (in the multitude of counselors is safety), these are all scriptural and good.
"How much more will your Father in heaven give:
1. Good gifts
2. The Holy Spirit
to those who ask."
Have I said all things correctly. I hope so. Comments welcome.
When they went to the house of Cornelius they were astonished that the holy ghost was given to gentiles for they heard them speak with tongues. That sounds like evidence and is scriptural.
@@darrenplies9034 Those are TWO Gospels there my friend. This is scripture interpreting itself!
But I pray that you may learn to fully understand the leavened aspect of the feast of Pentecost, since I notice you are the most ardent "midway" live chat voice!
Blessings of power in the Spirit, fellowship in the Gospel and in his sufferings to all in Christ!
@@ws775 Very good evidence, and thank you for wisely noting that! May revelation peace and increased wisdom abound to you in the scriptures and in the Spirit, also to your loved ones in the faith. May salvation come to your house to stay!
@@darrenplies9034 All who partake in Pentecost are midway, but "let the bridegroom come out and the bride quit her chamber, and the priests weep (between the porch and the altar)."
@@darrenplies9034 Ah, good Berean brother. Pray and the Lord will give you understanding. I would not take the joy away from you!
Giggled at the story of the girl with the 1999 tattoo. Oh man!
Did I misunderstand something about you only come to Jesus if you're willing to die for Jesus? And that that's the gospel we should be sharing?
Miller, you just said this, "I don't think healing is entirely dependent upon God's will" and you did not explain it away thoroughly. In fact, this is not explainable, and quite frankly, potentially blasphemy. I'm not sure I can ever trust what you say again, is it just me? God bless you guys, this is usually a great experience, but you let this slip out...
I think you might be misunderstanding me. Rowntree clarified what I was getting at right after regarding the two wills. If you want more clarity on that check out our video on the two wills of God. Hope that helps.
@@michaelmiller5024 Rowntree caught it right away, you should be thankful for that, not sure that would have happened had he not been there. I'm concerned that you did not catch yourself on it... I'm trying real hard to open myself to a more charismatic Christianity, but my discernment keeps getting in the way it appears...
@@charliez3432 yes, very thankful for Rowntree! I understand. Charismatic stuff in general can be scary at first. God bless you in the process all the same.
@@charliez3432 I thought Michael M was very humble - he was trying to say that sometimes God's will is affected because of us, and gave the example of the demonised person that the disciples failed to deal with. Given Jesus stepped in and dealt with the demon, logically if the disciples had been doing what they were supposed to be doing, Jesus would not have had to step in to ensure God's will was carried out - the healing of the person. Jesus' words to them strongly imply they were at fault rather than anything to do with Him having special authority (even though I know He does have special authority!)
I too struggle with the whole charismatic thing. I see no reason why the gifts etc should not have continued after the apostles, so intellectually Im pretty much convinced, plus the testimony of many people from all different cultures cannot be dismissed (a well-respected New Testament scholar Craig Blomberg has written about some of his own and his family's experiences in his book 'Can we still believe the Bible'). But Ive little personal experience myself, and tbh have been disappointed when people have prayed for me and nothing has changed. Perhaps it's my personality, I think Americans tend to be more open to such things than us Brits/Irish! Years ago I even went to the Toronto church during the 'blessing' and literally nothing happened with me! Oh well.
But I think these 3 guys are some of the most balanced charismatic Christians Ive heard.
The word "manifest" is deeply unhelpful. We cooperate with the Lord's will (including miraculous work, such as healing, prophecy and deliverance), we don't speak things into existence. The pagans talk of manifesting things, we need to avoid this as Christians.
The word "manifestation" is used in 1 Corinthians 12. I get the pagan associations but pagans also pray should we stop using that word as well?
@@michaelmiller5024That's fair, but in the current climate there is a serious issue with the phenomenon of manifesting things, typically worldly desires. People could certainly use the word pray in this negative context too, but in reality most people who "pray" won't be seeking the same selfish things as people who "manifest". There is also a dangerous link to the "name it and claim it" teachers.
I always go back to 1 John 5.14. We need to ensure that all our requests to God are exactly that. We ask, we don't tell. We ask in faith, knowing all goodness comes from Him, but we accept when the thing we desire doesn't fall into His will.
@@robsunners I'm in complete agreement regarding the disapproval of manifesting in that new age sense and also the name it claim it. I think the solution is to use the words in a Biblical sense rather than the throwing them out. Think of the rainbow 😉.
@@michaelmiller5024That's a good way of looking at it.
I want to encourage you guys. I'm in the process of deconstructing my cessationist theology, which was built on coming to faith through the teachings of the cessationist crowd. They've been a great blessing, but as David Pawson would say, I'm trying to seek "maximum" Christianity 😂. I love how you are guiding people with care but with boldness and love into that fullness. Keep it up, praying for you all 😊
A fake Christian vs fake Christian battle - I've got my popcorn