How many 'speeds' can a manual transmission have?
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This is how manual transmission looks like in Vin Diesel’s Dodge Challenger in the Fast & Furious
Finally, an explanation! He's got an 11 speed.
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You might get up to highway speeds with this.
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@@v3xx3r it doesn't really have high gear range, because "spacing" between the gears is very low.
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Your demonstration at 0:44 presented gear transmission more clearly than anything I've ever seen. Well done and thank you.
For me it was at 1:25 😊
For anyone who doesn't know, semi trucks actually have close to this number of gears. Most typically have 10 but some do go all the way up to 18 (and some even higher)
'Tho they are usually arranged differently with splitter and small/big gears. That's how you get 16 gears to H-pattern.
@@TheSanpletext this is correct. they actually use the same 5-6 gears over and over. The gears are tuned to not have any overlaps between the HiLow and the splitter.
@@traugdor That's not true with my favorite transmission; the 13 speed. Normally, the first gear is only used in low range if you have a very heavy load. 2nd or 3rd are the more common break-away gears used. If you use 1st gear in high range, it is equal to 5th gear in low range. We call it the cheat gear because it allows you to downshift one more time before you are forced to change ranges. Mostly useful in cornering before again up shifting. I assume this would work also with an 18 speed but have never had the opportunity to try it.
Some of the old-school trucks stacked two 4 or 5-speed transmissions back to back to make 4 x 4 or 5 x 4 or 5 x 5 setups that covered every speed you could ever want, but you'd wear your arm out trying to use all those gears in a true sequential up or down shift pattern. 😋
@@tcmtech7515 I almost bought one of them. It had a 5 over 5 with a split rear-end. It had 3 individual gearshifts.
A friend of mine is a oil field heavy haul trucker. His truck has a 600 HP CAT with an 18 speed main transmission and a 4 speed second trans. That's 72 forward gears into a 4:64 ratio 3 drive axles rear
Bogie. To keep the motor in the optimum operating range.
Typically that's how really large numbers of gears are handled, different ratios. Much more efficient, not to mention usable, than a single 72 speed box. Can you imagine how ridiculous of an idea that would be?
The magic of planetary gear set is your best friend in gear ratios. Inline power delivery and, if you combine multiple of these together, you can have different gear set ratios all in a small package. The entire automatic transmission relies on planetary gear set.
The other manual auto uses manual gearbox with solenoid valves for gear shifting. Used mostly on large commercial trucks. Even has an option of auto clutching with a foot pedal for those who prefer doing it manually
didnt know about that one just knew of some old trucks in the 70's that had 36 speeds.
@@Patrick-857 yeah there are mechanical efficeny losses for each pair of gears for which power flows through. Say 98% transmission efficency. 2 gears boxes mean only 2 sets of gears for power to flow thought. 98%^2=96. 04%
That said...if volumetric efficeny was more inportant . A series chain of binary select 1 from 2 ratios could make sense. Gearbox physical section needn't be complex especially with solenoids actuators and modern electronics.
5 binary Gear boxes in series... 2^5 ie 64 gears. Efficency 98%^5=90.4%
This is an extremely well done and visual representation! The axles in the real deal are meshed together much more complex and would have cluttered the view. Well done!
They don't have to be meshed together. The transmissions inside semi trucks aren't synchoed. You have to use driving skill to match the engine speed with the gear you want to select.
@@runestone2011 Not just engine speed, ground speed as well, you'll never hit 4th if your faster than 25 kph, and most shifts are easy enough to hit between 15 and 1900 rpms
@@leon419 Well, yes. Speed is how you know what gear you need to select if you lose your gear, other than that, engine speed is the variable you must change in order to select a gear. I've been driving trucks for 8 years.
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They should show this video in automotive classes. This makes so much more sense than how they taught us. Now I fully understand how this works
It’s a good basics lesson but there’s a few key components that are missing like Synchronizers
But yes it’s a great beginners lesson
I've watched like a million of videos about how the gears connect in manual transmission, and this is the first one, where I understood it! Thanks for the video!
There are different types of gear transmissions. So have fun researching!
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Stick an overdrive on and have twice the number of gears. The Laylock overdrive had a red button on the gear knob to turn on a solenoid that (through hydraulics) engaged the overdrive gears with a cone clutch; the overdrive was fitted between the standard gearbox and prop shaft.
this is an excellent demonstration of how a manual gearbox works. super easy to understand and very informative. best i've seen on the subject. laying it out in a linear fashion really helps show how the mechanism function. also, love the 'lego speed indicator'. now, you just need to ramp it up exponentially :)
This will show my age but used to drive a 20 speed truck. It had 5 x 4 gears in two Gearboxes. One was transmision the other called a brownie but no idea why its called a brownie. The Brownie had 4 speeds that were 1/4th of a gear on the 5 speed transmistion. We sometimes called the brownie a gear spliter as it split the 5 speed into 4. If truck was fully loaded plus going up a hill you started in 1st on both boxes then ran through 1 through 4 on the brownie than shiffted the transmision to 2nd and the brownie back to 1st then repeat until you hit top gear if you could go that fast. It was a cummins 335 Diesel Engine with only 300 RPM working range thus the gears were needed. Later Fuller came out with a 15 speed Transmision that did not require the brownie. The spliter was built into the transmision. Pretty cool rig you made there. IF I did not know how they worked this explaned it better than others I have seen. Good Job
My Dad's old Mack had a 10 speed. 5 positions (plus reverse) and a high / low splitter controlled with an air button that you'd use between 5th and 6th. Later he had an International that had a more typical 13 speed. I don't remember the exact pattern, but I think it would go through the pattern once with an air powered shifter knob in "low", then you'd go through the pattern again while flipping between "medium" and "high" before shifting to the next slot and going back to "medium". The upshot of that was you could go up and down one gear usually by just flipping the button and letting off the accelerator. He finally got to where he didn't even use the clutch except when stopping since nothing was synchronized anyway.
@@rancidbeef582 Those were common well electric versions usual if not always the sliter you describe on the 10 speed 5 plus spliter were in the two speed rear end. those were very cool. Never used a air powered. that 13 speed was likely a fuller 13 speed that used air. the patern was like you said start in 1st or second gear on stick. shift with air 3 speed sliter set to low. go through the 3 on the air switch then shift shufter to next gear up and air back to first then repeat. in my opinion the fuller 13 was the best transmission ever made. thanks for bringing it up.
Awesome video! I can't imagine all the time it would take for printing and design work. Amazing job!
I've learned so much from videos like these on how that stuff works. That model has made it easier to understand all this through having a simple easy visual teaching model. It amazes me that someone first figured all this out before.
Neat. It'd be exhausting to drive in a normal car but i'd give it a go.
My Dad's old 18 wheeler had a 13 speed transmission. Yeah, it could wear you out.
@@rancidbeef582 I think they have 2 reverse speeds as well
@@robertburgin8110 technically they have 3 reverse speeds but for most drivers there will rarely be a reason to use R2 or R3
18 speed have 4 reverse gears. 18 speed is basically a 13 speed but built heavier and splitting allowed in low range.
Probably not, they don't normally design transmissions to be equal across the range. In this video we're mostly concerned with how many gears can be involved, so it's a bit more evenly distributed than normal.
Usually when you add additional gearings it will be to the top end, which puts the lower end ones a bit closer together, but by a smaller margin than at the upper end. The reason being that there isn't as much to be gained at the very bottom end. Except for heavy trucks on mountain roads, you probably don't need more than one or two gears to get you up to 20mph as that's typically the lowest speed limit in an area. The mid and higher gearings are where a vehicle is likely to spend most of it's time and where the most efficiency can be gained anyways.
I've been driving 18 speed transmissions for decades. Some of the older trucks had up to 23 speeds if I remember correctly. But technically those trucks had two transmissions and two shift levers. You had your main transmission and auxiliary transmission (or brownie box as it is commonly known.) You also have a multitude of reverse gears. An 18 speed has three reverse gears. The Mack triaxle I drove many years ago had 5 reverse gears and you could run through the gears in reverse like you could going forward.
Great visual on how transmissions work
Most I have driven was 20 speeds. It was a Spicer 20 Speed triple shaft transmission in a 1965 Mack that had a 6 cyl Continental Diesel Engine. The truck had four shifters lol. Three for the trans and one for the diff. The truck had a 3 speed diff that could be manually selected. First shifter was the gear shifter which went 1-5. Next stick was a high range you pushed forward on and you would use the gear shifter to go 6-10. Third stick you pushed forward and you shifted 11-15. Lastly you pulled the second stick backwards and shifted 16-20. You would start out in the first speed of the diff until speed 6 and you went to the third speed at 16. A lot of shifting and it took me about 3 months to get good at driving that damn truck.
Have driven a tractor that had 4 electric gears, + high low and 4 gears. I have no idea how many gears it actually had (much of them overlapping) but it was a lot... And the engine was so narrow in the rpm range that it had to actually use many of them, not a good engine than on paper had 100hp... I much rather preffered driving our old 1970s International that on paper had 65hp and could haul lmuch larger loads up steep hills much faster and more easy then the 30 years younger 100hp turbo charged new tractor could .
Dude thank you. I have rebuilt my transmission, and looked at tons of videos. I didn't really feel like i got it until the first demo.
Oh! this really helped it click for me, well done, never felt like i really understood manual's until now.
This is actually amazing!
this actually helped me understand torque ratios in the terms of leverage on the output.
This helpede understand visually better than the 4 speed video. Thanks!
very cool and a idea that allows me to understand now why transmissions are so long. You should do a video on the clutch and clutch break if possible!
Bro I’ve been driving manual transmission cars my entire life but I could never have explained to you how the transmission works. Watching your videos I feel like I totally understand it now, I couldn’t build it, but I definitely get the basics. Really cool content man, I’ll be watching whatever videos you make in the future
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Very educational thank you for taking a lot of time to make all thos parts and to show us.
That is genius. I mean the way he teaches the manual gear in the beginning of the vid. Many thanks.
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In semi trucks they have up to 18 gears on a standard 6 speed H pattern. They have a high low main and a direct/underdrive section. It's basically a transmission behind a transmission behind yet another transmission. Or you have the strange Mack design that uses 3 countershafts and has 10 forward speeds and 10 reverse speeds using the same principle as the 18 speed except rhe direct/underdrive box is swapped for a forward reverse box. So, theoretically you can go the same speed backwards and forwards
Or if you want to be really nutty... Bolt a brownie box in behind that Eaton Fuller 18 speed, which will multiply that by 4.
Awesome video. It looks real good.
Awesome video.
This is very impressive.
Yes!
We need to make the transmissions that have the gear count to make the first Fast and Furious movies feasible!
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good work !
This is amazing.
Love how the speed indicator was fixed.
My truck got a Eaton Fuller 18 Gear speedbox ;) If youre used to it, its easy to sort the gears
I drove an old mack quadruplex in the oilfield. It had 20 forward gears and 4 reverse but it was split on 2 shift levers in a 5x4 pattern so each gear had 4 ranges
Perfect use of an LSI!
Next one - classical long haul truck transmission with hi-low and divider?
I was gonna suggest that as you get double the gear selection
I've never personally driven a big rig, however when I was a teenager I rode in many 18 wheelers hauling sugar beets on the family farm with my step-dad and uncle's. 2 of the trucks were 18 speed, the other truck was a 13 speed if I remember correctly. Before the 1980s many cars had 4 speed manuals. Before the mid 70s 3 speed on the column was fairly common, worked great with bench seats.
Many trucks have on the order of 20 forward gears and 4 reverse. This is done with a 5 speed with reverse main transmission and a 4 speed auxiliary shift box. Older trucks actually had 2 shift levers, quite a feat when both had to be changed. Today they use air to change the auxiliary with toggles on the shift knob.
I've driven a 50 cc race bike with a 4 speed foot shifted transmission stuck to a 3 speed hand shifted one. You went through the handshifted gears and when you shifted up from 3rd gear you'd shift the foot operated one while moving the hand operated one back to 1st.
Would take a lot of building muscle memory to drive it in anger.
You should look up an Eaton transmission. The manual transmission that is inside tractor trailer trucks. 8 forward gears and you can spilt each gear effectively giving you 16 forward speeds and 2 reverse.
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This must have been one heck of a project
Most I've seen is a 18 speed on a semi-truck. It was split between Hi-Lo and H-L on an Eaton Fuller RT-18.
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@@AMPProf what, you've never heard of an 18 speed?
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So…. you made an 18 wheeler transmission? They have 20+ gearing potentials… great work! Love the tactility of the editing 😸👍👍
no, a truck transmission is a 4/5 speed with auxiliary transmissions
You should try and build an actual 18 speed transmission. One that you split shift with a high and low range, just like in a semi
my grandfather had a Diamond Reo with 23 gear trans and 2 , 2 speed Diffs
I learned to drive stick on a manual triplex truck. 5 over 4 by 4. Something like 80ish total gears between the 3 transmissions that made up the stack.
Very impressive. Is there a way that you can turn this into a power generator like you made a video on?
Because turbines simply work by being turned, you can turn anything that generates motion (ideally rotary, but cranks can take care of that if isn't) into a power generator.
There's probably no reason to do that. A generator tends to run at one speed and if you need less power the extra just gets dumped.
Usually these gearboxes are for example two four speed gearboxes mounted in series and total number of gears is 4 multiplied by 4 which is 16
Generally, it should be possible to create m^n gear ratios by cascading n gearboxes with a ratio of m each. The presented gearbox used 36 cogs for 9 forward gears. A cascade of 4 gearboxes would only need 16 cogs for a total of 16 (2^4) gears, right?
How about four 4-speed gearboxes mounted in series for 256 speeds? Obviously it's impractical, but it would be an entertaining video
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That's a great representation of it. I don't think I've seen a demonstration that was that straightforward and obvious.
You could even add a clutch with no pedal, by having the clutch be the first part of the pull movement changing gears.
Start pulling - clutch releases
keep pulling - gear disengages
start pushing - gear engages
finish pushing - clutch engages
Neutral would simply be releasing the handle between gears, or at a "gear" position that had no linkage.
Obviously, that many gears aren't terribly useful, unless you have tons of weight to move. Like a tractor-trailer rig. But it's nice to see it taken to an obscene degree, to help visualize it over so many changes. It's so much better than a low/high 2 speed. I believe tractor-trailer rigs use a high/low selector with 5 forward and 1 reverse speed, selectable as high or low (10 forward, 2 reverse).
Love the Lego figure just spinning around lol
Wow, this actually made more sense than my teachers in vocational school.
For those interested semis most commonly have a 10 speed or 13 speed but there are some with 18 as well and beyond that is usually a 2nd trans could be arranged differently could have a 4 and a 5 speed shift threw all 5 but the other into 2 shift threw all 5 again and so on and so far as far as I know I've only seen one truck with 3 trans a 6, 10, and 2 that is essentially shifting 80 + gears, that's insane stuff
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Excellent!
That's very similar to how 'quick change' gearboxes on circa 1900 lathes work. The sum of the meshing gears' diameters is the same for all gear pairs.
I was an OTR driver and the most common heavy haul transmission was an 18 speed. The industry had 7 9 10 13 15 18 speeds as common choices then one maker had a 20 speed. Now back years ago they had 2 transmissions bolted up together the main and then the aux transmission. You literally could have up to 25 gears forward if you had a 5x5 but most were 5x4 or 4x4 setups. Then if you had multiple speed rear ends it got real fun. I drove a truck that had 3 speed rear ends and a 5x4 setup. I had 60 forward gears to choose from and 12 backwards. Now with the Automatics most trucks have either a 12 speed Automated manual in them or 14 speed transmission.
Now to add splits and auxiliary
If you added a flywheel to the output shaft, it could help out with the sticky gears.
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I regularly drive a Truck here in the UK with 21 forward gears and 3 reverse
When I saw the shape of opposing “cones” I was like “oh you basically made a cvt minus the belt”
Just build a twin stick. For example, a five speed outputting to the input of another five speed will give you twenty five forward gears. Or a three speed and a five speed. Or a five speed feeding a two speed axle. Series gearboxes give many more ratios with fewer parts.
Super video
can you make an truck transmission? like eaton 18 speed? with the auxilary, spliter and ranger? that have huge potential! super satifying to see spin!
Finally I know how the nasty clutch works
I like that the Impression of the „speed indicator“ changes after „fix“ it…
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"I've also attached a LEGO speed indicator."
The Indicator: *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH*
This is incredible! I gotta wonder though... How long did the 3D prints for this gearbox take?
Excellent proof. As stated all over the comments already, practical applications use compound transmissions.
Pretty sure it isn't as common today but some older 18-wheelers have multiple transmissions and you'll shift through one partway then shift up in a second and go back to the beginning on the 1st
18 speed transmissions are common on Heavy Duty Trucks like Dump trucks.
I would Like to see a Twin stick style transmission modeled.
Fast and furious watching this taking notes
All my Peterbilt 359's have 6x4 Spicer Transmissions, so 24 forward gears, an 4 Reverse.
This is a very interesting demonstration, but if this was built out of steel for a truck, I would think not only would the transmission in total would be very heavy, but it would be a tremendous amount of rotating mass, thus decreasing efficiency.
Adding a range selector, and/or a splitter, you can re-use all the ratios multiple times, allowing for a smaller and lighter overall package.
someone finally explained the cosmic horror that is the 'transmission' in a way I understand
Thankie mcspankie
You should look at commercial trucks and the manual transmissions. These trucks can have upwards of 18 gears or more, having both low and high gear due to towing loads.
Would you be willing to look at something with a transfer case as an example on how to get many ratios? The question of how many speeds get a transmission has is based on its size and the amount of rotating mass. I think getting beyond the six speeds may be best done with a third shaft or second transmission.
You should do it with a sequential transmission!
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Alternatively you could build the old style semi transmissions. The spicer 6+4 would be a good one
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Should've done twin countershaft and a secondary high low box behind it
This transmission functions better than the 6sp NSG370 in my Jeep Wrangler. Probably would last longer as well.
It's kinda crazy how that transmission slightly resembles a CVT
The Lego man's facial expression is entirely representative of what you've just made him endure
Kind of reminds me of a cvt with two opposing conical shapes.
Now you just need to make the clutch
I really thought the lego speed indicator was going to get decapitated for a second.
Could you explain how the individual gear-selection rods work, please ? You use the red bits to push a secondary gear (which presumably is fixed to the shaft) up alongside the selected gear, thus connecting /that/ to the shaft. How ? You can never be sure the dog gear is in alignment with the face with which it has to mate.
Just seeing how long that is helps me understand even more why 13 speed manual transmissions for rigs are built completely different
This is how it feels when you are first learning how to drive
Have you ever done a small car (like a 6 inch) with a motor and a automatic 2 gear switch transmission. Back in the days in school, we have done a competition of building a car that should go 50 meter and the faster win.... because all student got the SAME motor, and battery... the only difference was in the look and the design. I make mine beautifull, but light. The speed was a problem, because starting from stand still need a lot of power, and after few meter, the power must be converted to speed. So i design a CVT cone transmission with elastic that slide through the process and got me the first place and the school keep the car for the expo at the end of the years. So it will be nice to see you find your solution to this and maybe do a little competition between 2 design. Great day have fun