Driving Tesla Cybertruck - Overhyped or the Pickup Reinvented?
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- Does The Tesla Cybertruck Live Up To The Hype? An Engineering Review
Steer-by-wire, four-wheel steering, 48 volt accessories, 800V powertrain, triangles, and truck stuff!
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Elon Musk lit the internet on fire when he announced the Cybertruck, and now, after deliveries have been make, that fire continues to burn. The world is hyped on Cybertruck - it's the pickup reinvented! Or is it? We'll deep dive into the engineering behind this truck, peeling back the layers to understand what matters, and just as importantly, what doesn't. Without a doubt, the Cybertruck has reignited passion into the EV space, something the Hummer EV attempted to do, which landed without quite the splash as the Cybertruck. We'll discuss the following questions:
1) What impact does the shape of the Cybertruck have?
2) Should you care about 48V or 800V vehicle architectures?
3) What is steer-by-wire and what is it like to drive?
4) What is four-wheel-steering and why is it useful?
5) Does the Cybertruck do truck stuff well?
6) What is the Cybertruck like to drive?
7) Is the Cybertruck overhyped, or the pickup reinvented?
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**Update!** Tesla (Lars) issued a correction about the wiper power: "Quick correction on that one - my mind was on steering motor power (also enabled by 48V) - the wiper motor is nominally much less in most speeds, peaks around 120W. Not nearly as much, but still enabled by 48V since >100W... imagine that on 12V, the wires would be huge!"
This truck has the lowest drag co of any full size truck. The Rivian is a mid size truck...Cybertruck has the most efficient shape possible, theoretically...
@@demonkiller1104 At the expense of looking like it was drawn by a child
@@robertstojs that's definitely your number one concern when buying a truck
@@robertstojsoh hey everyone! We have an expert here! I would love to see how a child can draw this. But hey what do i know? Youre the expert here im not gonna waste my time with you. Nobody is forcing you to watch this. And even if it looks the way it looks still pleople are surprised to see this truck on streets. There are videos out there to prove you wrong anyway so.. thats enough for me im done talking to you but hey! Next time try to come with something original. Peace
@@netrox1345 I’m no expert either but looking at your essay I’d say you need some extra strength hemorrhoid cream
the whole 'releasing the product with incomplete software and fixing it later' feels like a move taken from the video game industry
Or, the universe.
Its SOP in the tech world - the only difference is with cars - that can get people killed and has.
Ironic, considering the truck itself looks like to belongs in a mid-90s video game
cities skylines 2 is a perfect example
Or in the You Kay, British Leyland used that technique - they went bust
The tires should be square, like the Canadian cars in South Park
That would be true innovation
Might have improved the drag coefficient by a tenth!
Why not triangle tires?
Satisfactory is way ahead of you on that.
@@DurfDiggler a tear shape would be the most Arobynamic one right?
My mate in high school had a vehicle with rear wheel steering, it was a Honda Prelude from 1988
yes, really strange to see all those concepts from back in the day being repackaged as "Musk genius"
I was just thinking that. Honda did the mechanical rear wheel steering. Regular Car Reviews does a review of the Prelude from that era and focuses on the steering.
Yep. My brother had one. We were in a hurry to catch a train and he chose to take Lower Wacker Drive (you've seen it in the Blues Brothers movie). Doing about sixty, steering with all four wheels, weaving around the girders. Scared the bejeezus out of me.
Mitsubishi Galant 4x4 Dynamic 1993. 4 wheels steering.
@@ZygonesBzygones pretty much everything classified as "Musk genius" is actually old ideas. Some of it is old ideas proven not to work.
Just because it actually came to market doesn't mean it's not a joke.
The no spare tire trend needs to end..... Rarely needed, but when you do it is such a relief.
Did not need no bloody reserve tire in 40 years of driving cars. Do not need one for the next 40 years. Thx.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 You have the option to remove it and use the space for other things, that's great. I had a time once where I had three flats in the same week. I will keep hauling the spare around, preferably a full size spare.
You can use run flat tires. So much more convenient than replacing the tire by yourself. And also consider the weight of the CT tire. Could you even lift it out?
@@andrasbiro3007 Replacing a tire takes minutes. Lifting it out is not an issue for most. Not to mention most trucks lower the spare and have a lifting mechanism for the other way. For those that have trouble call AAA. They change it and you are on your way. Getting towed to a shop and hoping they have or can get your tire in a short period of time works fine in the city, out on the road or offroad is not a solution.
I've needed a spare countless times @@wolfgangpreier9160
One downside of bare stainless steel with no paint or clear coat: Tesla says that “To prevent damage to the exterior, immediately remove corrosive substances (such as grease, oil, bird droppings, tree resin, dead insects, tar spots, road salt, industrial fallout, etc.)" Bare stainless steel can corrode way more quickly than modern painted cars, and we won't know how bad it can get until owners have these for a few years.
Yeah I do think we need some time to see how it fares.
"...how it fares."@@EngineeringExplained
FACT! Stainless steel is vulnerable to chlorides; think road salt. Plain old salt (sodium chloride) is a problem, but the sticky magnesium chloride brine they use to pre-treat roads is going to be especially problematic on bare stainless. It doesn't rust, it develops pits and pinholes.
@@jacksons1010
In other words it's a garage queen. No outdoor parking for this truck.
The model 3 or S has the same disclosure, it seems. I suppose you could ask Delorean owners about the downsides of a stainless steel body
1950: "I bet we'll have flying cars by 2025!"
2024: *Tesla introduces steering lag*
Flying cars is a terrible idea since people are already crashing cars everyday. We don’t need flying cars falling out of the skies too. 😂
We do have flying cars.
@@LordLoMR2 A world with flying cats is a world where 9/11 is a daily occurrence.
@@LordLoMR2it’s harder to get pilot license tho and I bet you’ll need those before piloting a flying car
I like Rivian's clever design to stow the spare wheel inside the bed. It keeps it clean, out of the way, and it's super easy to access. The tesla with no spare wheel at all is a design failure. Rivian looks great too, the tesla looks like a steel shed.
Home Depot insta-shed.
What if you have a load of stone in the bed of your truck, a load of lumber, or a load of anything? That spare tire is going to be useless unless you unload everything to get to it. It be almost the same as not having one to begin with.
Ha Ha. From time-to-time we'll see abandoned piles of gravel, beauty bark, etc. left on the side of the road. On second thought some of these truck owners never let the rig get dirty so they wouldn't load anything, so those folks won't have a problem.@@jasonstclair6293
@@jasonstclair6293 Part of the reason why some vehicles store it externally, usually under the bed (pickup truck and ute) or body (wagons, minivans, and vans).
@@jasonstclair6293 The reality is that none of these users will ever use it for actually hauling things.
I have yet to see a Rivian haul anything. There are even reports of people being afraid to scratch the bed lining. *The bed lining.* On a 'pick-up truck.'
Now, even techbros can join the "pavement queen" club.
It seems like 90% of truck owners are part of this club.
Aren't they called pavement princesses?
@@GuusJanssen Might be the more potent version of that.
That A-pillar makes every driver Ray Charles 🙈
That's not an A pillar, it's A wall.
my brain is fighting a 'lol!/OOF!' battle seeing this comment
Close quarter driving could be an issue (and concern); two thumbs up for this comment.
It's an easy fix because camera/screens could, mostly, remove it as a blind spot. But America's auto regulations haven't left 1950 yet.
@@davidmccarthy6061 so when a little kid kicks the screen and it breaks, then what?
We need to remember that the current iteration of the classic pick-up truck is the result of over a century of design and engineering evolution. A LOT of things were tried - some more successfully than others - until we got to what we have today. The Cybertruck is not a product of that evolution. For me, the tech and the design just aren't mature enough (yet) to consider purchasing one. After having looked at what it has to offer, I have the feeling this is what you get when you let people who have little or no expertise in designing a pick-up truck design a pick-up truck. Frankly, my truck needs are pretty non-negotiable so I think I'll wait a while until the evolution of the Cybertruck moves it quite a bit further forward.
The dash looks like a fabulous space for 3 cats to nap in the Sun.
Dash is cat approved.
Cat tested?@@EngineeringExplained
Unarguably the best feature.
BITD??? a 'HOLDS-MA BILE? SILHOUETTE ??? That's a 3 dog Knight napper!
Good luck cleaning those furs off lol
as a mechanic, i worry about drive by wire if the car needs to be pushed into the shop with no mechanical connection to the wheels from the steering wheel...i was in the collision repair field and there are hundreds of times where the vehicle needs to be pushed around because the accident made the vehicle un-drivable.
6500lbs is pretty heavy even with normal steering. You can "jump" a Tesla with a 12V from outside the car too. Not sure how that is configured in CT
Pick it up and put it down 🥱
Interesting point! Pop it on some wheel dollies, not all that different from a vehicle with wheel/suspension damage I suppose, but an extra step in some cases.
it has triple redundancy on the wires an double redundancy on the motors. you are not supposed to continue driving it until there is critical failure.
@@EngineeringExplained that's a bot
That is a revolutionary design. The Tesla engineers manage to mount a Delorean backwards on a Tesla chasis. Amazing!
It’s not, it’s years late and double the price with thinner steel because they screwed up so much with this thing, it’s not revolutionary, it’s unnecessary and useless
Steer by wire with no mechanical backup, what could possibly go wrong? o_O
Maybe elon took inspiration from the titanic engineers?
@@kameronmyles2013you mean titan?
@@kameronmyles2013 that would explain the sinking reputation of the Cybertruck...
@@Jacky-zt5ch titan creator also sounded alot like the creator of the titanic. Unsinkable. This is why those (sometimes) pesky safety guys exist.
@@kameronmyles2013 nah the titanic builders clearly knew their stuff, titanic’s older sister ship olympic went on to have a long and storied career. titan on the other hand, the whole design itself was already a big red flag.
What they should have done about the spare tire if they really wanted to save a buck and think people barely use it is design a compartment where the tire would go under the bed, but sell the tire separately so the compartment can be used for something else if people want.
Yes, precisely. This is exactly what Rivian does.
Expect that spare tire & wheel to cost over a grand at the Tesla Dealer...
They want you to pay a monthly subscription to some kind of Tesla Roadside Assistance program - there's a lot more money in that for them than there is in including a spare tire with the truck.
@gorak9000 let's just hope Roadside Assistance can reach people where Tesla says this truck can go. Nothing like popping a tire off the beaten paved path.
@@davidhollenshead4892 Maybe double that. A tire and wheel on my 2017 Volvo is over a grand. I've paid for a few...my wife likes to clip curbs.
Agree the full-size spare is essential for a 4X4 truck.
It's not a 4x4, though.
I drive 2x more than average and have owned trucks for 45 years. Never, not even once, have I used my spare. Looking at the data, spares are not really needed. This is why most cars don’t bother. If you go off road and want one, you can always buy a jeep style one.
if I can go to the scrap yard and buy a truck with a full size spare then a 70k+ truck should come with one
@@solarguy4850 Same here. After 50 years of driving, over a million miles in trucks, not once has a spare ever hit the road. My current truck has 330,000 miles and the original spare still underneath. I keep tire plugs and compressed air onboard. I have had to pull over a time or two and plug a tire then fill it back up, but never has a spare hit the road. Not saying I'm not more comfortable knowing it's there, but I would be alright without.
Edit: I should also mention that I do not use cheap or worn tires. Think about the only thing between you and the road going 70 MPH and the only thing holding on while you try to brake and turn.
@@meko1896 While I agree with you, it's faster to put a spare tire on in the rain, dark or cold than trying to find the leak and plug it.
I think the biggest issue with electric towing isn't even the range (which, yeah, is still annoying), but the fact that you can't really charge at all unless you want to fully unhitch your trailer every time you need to. It's crazy that these charging companies (including Tesla) STILL aren't building pull-through charging stations, with very few exceptions.
Rivian stations all have pull through chargers for trailers. They just need to roll out many more
I've had my first Tesla a bit less than a year---a model Y long distance. In that time I've towed a 7-foot-tall box trailer up and down the Colorado front range three round trips, at 145 miles each way. Being able to make it is the difference between setting cruise control to no more than 60 mph, versus setting it to 65 mph. Of course the usability superchargers has been a _huge_ problem.
Maybe as gas stations sell less and less gas, and the land is unusable for anything else (because of buried tanks possibly leaking), Tesla and other companies will start putting Superchargers where the fuel pumps used to be.
Why do you have to unhitch the trailer? Just because the charging spots are just normal spots and aren't long enough for truck + trailer?
they do have pull through stations just not enough yet.
@@ScottyDMcomLeaking tanks is super low as everyone was required to replace them several decades ago. All the in-ground tanks these days are plastic but I suppose they could still crack. The threat of rust through is long gone.
I saw one yesterday and it looked like it had dents all over it. Either a bunch of people had been kicking it or it came pre-dented.
One of many problems with stianless steel, is even tho its stronger, its more prone to getting permanently dented, even from just a sudden change in temperature. Like leaving a garage in a freezing winter
Also parts like the bumper are actually attached under stress, so if one of the clips fail, the bumper might fly out
Also a rigid car is **not** safer. Sure the car itself might not take much damage in a crash, but this means that squishy body of yours is responsible for absorbing most of the impact. An airbag can only do so much if you only have a crumple zone the size of a shoebox
Probably got kicked. It's an atrocity on wheels.
Must be the exclusive golf ball trim.
Or both.
@@TheRguru1 It's for the aerodynamics. Adds 0.001% to battery range.
8:16 that hummer is a rolling cinderblock so I'm not surprised by that at all
The future looks like a 80's B series movie.
40 years ago, the present looked like an 80's B grade movie.
An 80s _dystopian_ B movie. It's cognitive dissonance on overdrive that some people's idea of a bright future is a very dark future imagined 40 years ago.
Retro Sci-Fi
@@davidbrayshaw3529 Can you give any examples of that? Of a modern car that resembles a prop from an 80s movie? With the cyber-truck's steel skin and wedge shape, the resemblance to DeLorean's DMC-12 is quite clear, but it's tough to come up with something that fits your analog.
80's CGI movie maybe, even B series movies that used practical effects had more detail to their movies based in the future. Cyberpunk isn't wedges, it is 80's futurism. 80's cars were wedges but theirr trucks were not. I'd argue the Hummer EV is more true to the monicher of a "cybertruck" so cybertruck truck, so 80s futurism trunk, than the actual cybertruck is
My biggest concern for the Cybertruck , Rivian and many ICE vehicles is the cost of mechanical and structural repair cost . There was a horror story here in Canada where the Hyundai battery cost was 60k which is 5k more than a brand new replacement of the complete vehicle . Ball joints and tie rods are far more economical a repair and diagnostic of them far easier than electric steering .
@@mezzb That is already a thing in niche areas. The problem with delivering that as a solution on a wide scale is the cost.
What's the cost of building a fuel station? Just an average one for a small town, roughly $4-6 million? That service station might service say 1,000 customers a day. Lets pretend that those customers are reasonably evenly spaced between morning and evening so that the station only needs 800 battery packs to deliver service and account for fluctuations.
Using the above example, the retail cost of the battery is $60,000. The station will of course get this for less, but not much less. Lets say retail mark up is 15% (pretty common on parts), so the station pays roughly $52,000 per battery pack. For 800 packs that's $41.6 million dollars. Before you even build the service station.
Yeah yeah, economies of scale. Sorry, but I just don't buy that you'll bring that cost down to anywhere near what it currently is for fuel.
Hot swappable batteries are just not viable on a cost basis, let alone before we get into the variations in voltages, capacities, and the legal concerns around warranties, safety, tampering, etc.
Take a gander at the condition of many swap and go gas cylinders - that's what you'll get with hot swappable battery packs.
Replacing a battery is rare, it's like replacing an engine of an ICE car.. it is expensive but not something you do every 2-3 years
No it's not. The engine does not cost 60% of the vehicle cost. Manufacturers don't make spare battery packs to go on the repair shelf because they are too expensive. It's a factory order part if you can get it. The manufactures know lithium is in short supply and only want to build new cars with batteries and not buid spares. So when a battery pack is 'damaged' they quote ridiculous prices and the car is written off. Then the insurance company pays out and insurance premiums go up on everyone to cover the cost. @@wannabewallaby1592
@@wannabewallaby1592 , In the case of the Ionic it doesn’t cost 5 k more than the car to replace an engine on an ice car . On any E car with the floor being the battery it is easy to damage hitting a road hazard . Plenty of Ice cars have some kind of undercarriage scars to attest to the risk . It’s not as rare as you think as the Rich Rebuilds channel will attest to .
@@mezzbLOL Elon arleady promised this exact thing... over a decade ago. like all of his moronic ideas to pump the stock, it quietly died.
@EngineeringExplained I think we should try to normalize presenting CdA in the same breath as discussing Cd. As vehicles get bigger and (especially) wider, just talking about Cd leaves out a very important aspect of vehicle design and efficiency.
I am absolutely baffled why Cd is used at all.
@@tewrgh I think of it of an 'institutionalization' of the concept that bigger is inherently better. As someone who lives in an old (for North America) city, with narrow residential streets, I appreciate the downsides of 'bigger' more than most.
But compared to other full size pickups it's useful. I agree, just multiply it by the frontal area and get something you can compare a space shuttle to a bicycle.
That said the Cybertuck is really close to a ICE Ram which is pretty disappointing. I imagine the EV Ram is going to beat it soundly not having all the cooling openings.
Yeah this is, for example, why the new Prius is more efficient than the old one. Cd is worse, but CdA is better.
Considering the truck has a much larger wind facing area than the Model 3, the relative road force is surprisingly good.
Aztek Pontiac + Delorean = cyber truck
I call it the cyber El Camino
I forgot about the Aztec.. you're pretty spot on, it does look like the as andthe del had a baby
The Aztek was just ahead of it's time. It had comically small wheels. It was a good idea ruined by trying to make into an econobox. It wouldn't have been laughed at so much if the capability matched the look, and the vibe of accessory tent.
LOL, I just passed one of those Pontiacs earlier today and made the same connection.
With the build quality of a Chevy Chevette....
One of the biggest misses for me (one of many) is that the rearview camera feed is still in the damn dash instead of up in the actual rearview mirror location, where they should've always been from the start.
But there's no first principle reason why the rearview mirror should be where it always has been. Tesla's thinking is that if a functionality is the way it is purely out of historical inertia (customer habit), and there are savings to be made by not putting in additional screens and pulling unnecessary wiring, then they're going to make an effort to usher in that change. To give you an exaggerated example, imagine if the ignition button of a modern car sat by the front bumper, and the reason why is because cars used to have hand cranks there 100 years ago. That just wouldn't fly.
It is one of the bigger issues with this car. The back camera is horrible in low light and looking down to your right is not great. There really should be a smaller screen behind the steering wheel.
Tens of millions of trucks, Fire Engines, brush rigs, log trucks, ambulances, power utility vehicles, over-landing rigs, military vehicles , dump trucks, jets, planes, helicopters, ships, boats, submarines and delivery vans don't have any direct sightline out of the back window and that's been working well for over 100 years.
@@thorwaldjohanson2526 "There really should be a smaller screen behind the steering wheel." ... wait... what?
@@dvader3263 Yeah... and they are operated by trained (mostly) professionals with CDL's and pilot's licenses. Not dickheads that managed to drive around the block without killing anyone to get their license. It's a false equivalency.
That said, the rearview mirror fell off the windshield of my '95 Yukon back in the day and I never had a problem (though I did occasionally miss the additional situational awareness running down the interstate). Even with the barn-doors in the back, it still had better rear visibility than most vehicles in any class that are currently in production.
Don't worry about the spare tire and being stranded...
If you light it on fire it'll burn for days to keep you warm and act as a distress marker for passing aircraft. Just one of the innovative features built into the vehicle.
Just make sure you don't breathe while you're keeping warm. There's some lethal chemicals coming from that fire.
Other vehicles with two windshield wipers have windshield motors that use 50W or so each. Maybe for something large, around 100W.
So that giant one is 1/10 as effective as just having two of them, as well as it being more expensive to replace. 1kW of power just for that thing? It's insane!
Edit: I see that was already corrected as wrong. Makes a lot more sense
I recall a Sandy Monroe interview with Tesla engineers that revealed that the conversion to 48V was made necessary by the steering motors - at 12v they could not make the steering motors small enough to fit into the space available for them.
Took them a few years to figure out how to spin it though. It's not like they couldn't do 48v for some stuff and 12 for others, but since Tesla doesn't know what they are doing ever...
@@sprockkets That's not true at all. You would have to do a massive electrical system then, and double the wirering too. How would you have solved it without massive loss in energy from all the conversion of power you would need ? As I would be really pleased if you could explain a way that would make sense.
There is a reason nobody has done this before, as it is super hard. When engineers say that it isn't because we don't know how to do it, just that it would be impractical, too expensive or would need new technology to be feasible.
@@-JustHuman-Exactly. Engineering, as in life is full of trade offs. When you hit a brick wall and want to engineer through it, you do it. Kind of like self landing rockets. Because it was necessary to close the business case. Oh, we need 30-ish % more efficient engines? OK.
@@sprockkets I wonder how long it, the battery , would last when using the 240v power circuit. Standard power in a lot of countries is 230-240 VAC, so ...........
@Grauenwolf Not what I said. They exist, but you lose power as a price. And you need it for both systems. If we use your number of 90, that's already a lose of 20% of the power to conversion.
You do need 2 sets of wires. That was the whole problem. As a standard, the car industry makes things for 12 colts, not 48v. And you can't run 48 in a 12 v system, if you do it, the otherwise around you would again lose huge amount of energy.
Running it in a 48v system saves so much wirering and power in this case. And it makes it possible to do steer by wire.
Although the stainless panels are advertised as tough they won't be immune to the usual dings and scratches over time. I think you'll see a cottage industry of folks who are skilled at burnishing and doing spot repairs.
I think what we'll be seeing are a lot of wrapped trucks too! :)
And charging a fortune for it!
They're already rusting. Plus, the hoods and doors are sharp enough to cut your fingers (or whole hand) off when closing them, and the hub caps are rubbing the wheels raw; drivers are getting terribly hurt in accidents because they are in a stainless steel cage without proper, shock-absorbing, crumple zones, it probably won't be allowed in Europe because Europeans are smart enough to understand that hitting pedestrians with a stainless steel block is a bad idea ... honestly, the whole thing is a mess. And you can't even sell it if you get one and hate it because Tesla will financially punish you. The whole thing is an absolute disaster.
@@jcshanghai07proof people re actually cutting their hands? Not just bashers that are not verifiable.
@@jcshanghai07 Europeans are a joke.
Cybertruck! Coming soon to a junkyard near you! 👀
Drive by wire. It has redundancy upon redundancy. "Just pull over and wait for a tow truck." Ok,I can't pull over!
Truck bed. Should added hydraulics. Since there is little access to the entire bed. The shape lends to a dump truck.
They nailed it. Few pickup truck drivers use the vehicle as a working vehicle. They like the look or the height afforded. I have a neighbor. He has a factory lifted 4x4 crew cab. It's a '23. It beautiful. He doesn't so much as put a cup of coffee in the bed. He does have boat. Yet he might tow the boat a handful of times a year. So the Tesla pickup is for folks like my neighbor. He doesn't honestly need a truck. He likes them.
You can hit the body with a hammer, but if a bird poops on it, you have to clean it RIGHT AWAY, per the manual.
"THIS IS THE EVERYTHINGS OKAY ALARM" **BEEEEP! ** "IT GOES OFF EVERY 30 SECONDS AS LONG AS EVERYTHINGS OKAY" **BEEEEP!!! :)
Just the standard manual on all vehicles. In reality you're probably fine with bird poop lol
@@wemakecookieThe acidity will discolour it just like any SS (including your stove or fridge). It's purely cosmetic but it's bare SS so something to keep in mind if your don't like blemishes.
@@TheJohn8765 We'll have to see cause this is a unique type of stainless steel.
Go look at a painted Delorian.
As all DMC cars that have had body damage had to be painted to hide it...
Steer by wire.
It's completely safe, there are multiple layers of redundancy.
Proceeds to list 18 sensors and motors that can fail.
This sounds expensive.
A steering rack costs $50 and is a proven 100 year old technology.
Weak arguments, yet again. Air cooled piston-engine powered airplanes were decades old "proven technology" as well, but we moved on to turbines. It turned out fine. In fact much better. The airliners you and I travel in all use fly-by-wire. When was the last time an airliner's "fly-by-wire" system failed??? Stop being scared.
@@themapmaker5374 Smartlynx training flight on 28th of Feb, 2018 in Estonia almost lost total flight control systems due bad programming and the very unusual use case of the aircraft for touch and go trainings. This was the first time this bug in programming was found since the 80s when Airbus FBW (regarded as the unfaillable gold standard of FBW) was first introduced. Shows you that 0.0000001% chance of smt happening is not 0. Combination of great airmanship by the training captains, some low level mechanical backup (mechanical pitch trim) and a bit of luck saved the 6 lives onboard the training flight. Check out Mentour Pilot's recent video about this, he covers it really well.
@@themapmaker5374 The most problematic airliner at the moment (Boeing 737 MAX) is NOT fly-by-wire.
My brother in christ that’s an airplane that gets taken apart every so often for maintenance. Also the cost is a huge influence, I’ve seen people have their cars repossessed because they didn’t want to spend the money to fix something simple but expensive.
@@themapmaker5374 Dude, you're comparing a navigation system on a plane that costs hundreds of millions to one that's in a 100k disposable car. Start being scared and stop buying crap
It seems that perhaps they "re-invented" some things about pickups that didn't need it, like utility, reliability, having a spare, having a useful bed, long-range towing... you know, pickup truck stuff. A very cool advancement in some ways, but in some ways, it also feels like an answer to a question no one was asking.
my thoughts exactly.
I've never seen anyone use a truck to tow anything more than once in a while. Because if you really need to haul tons of stuff every day you don't buy a pick-up truck, you buy a van or a flatbed. I think people who hate Tesla as a religion are rather the one inventing use-cases for pick-up trucks that don't exist in the real world. 99% of the pick-up trucks out there are just douche-bag carriers that aren't even equipped for towing.
I think you are missing the point, this truck is for taking kids to school while looking cool, fashion statement if you will.
@@viktorianas well that doesn’t look very “cool”
@@jeffgualandijr9420 even if you personally don't like it still turns heads at least, people seek attention these days.
Halfway into the video i realized this guy is filming all of his explanation while driving! And, he's still doing an excellent job going into all the details.
casually suggesting to his viewers they probably should avoid gun fights altogether. lmao
Love your videos man
Texas...
I think it should have just been a disclaimer. /s
Good advice, but not always possible. Especially in the US gunfights tend to come to you.
unfortunately he glass just like the body aint bulletproof
@@carholic-sz3qv But it's at least a steel ball proof... ok, baseball proof... fine, training rubber ball proof, if you don't throw it too fast...
as a mechanic, i worry about drive by wire if the car needs to be pushed into the shop with no mechanical connection to the wheels from the steering wheel...i was in the collision repair field and there are hundreds of times where the vehicle needs to be pushed around because the accident made the vehicle un-drivable
If the car has been in a crash where it cant drive you are not fixing it anway so its a moot point.
@@SupremeRuleroftheWorldWhy would you not fix it? It doesn’t take much to make a vehicle undrivable kind of weird you would just throw away a $100k vehicle.
@@SupremeRuleroftheWorld There are certains type of accident where the car is not totalled but needs to be moved
@@jamesclerkmaxwell8020 sure. but without power you aint releasing the lock on the collum of any modern car so you are not steering anyway regardless of the car fuel source.
Interesting point! Gotta pop it up on wheel dollies. I guess not all that different from a car that has front suspension damage, but another step in some situations.
I stopped being a car fan 10 years ago - I'm only watching this video for the engineering perspective only & it is amazing, and dont think I'd find it anywhere else in that condensed format. Thanks a lot!
Im the same - I had a Mercedes CL55 AMG then I moved to a "15-minute city", I could suddenly get everything I needed in walking distance, the car sat outside until the breaks rusted on, then later the council put a sticker on it declaring it abandoned, it had not moved in 5 years.
I now look back at the utterly unbelievable amount of money I willing handed over every month on cars and I think I must have been insane. I dont even think modern Ferraris and Lambos are nice, sure I still love some of the classics as art - but I have zero interest in cars, they steal SO MUCH of your money and if we just built better communities we would not need them...
@@piccalillipit9211 May I ask what 15 minute city you moved to?
@@wonderstew Certainly - I live in Burgas Bulgaria. You can look it up and there are walking tours of it on TH-cam.
I need to go to the city centre tomorrow for something specialist. It will be the first time I have had to travel more than 1000m from my apartment this year, which some people might think it terrible - but literally everything I need for 95% of my needs can be got within 1km of my apartment.
I don't even have a refrigerator - I just go buy the food I want to eat for the next meal.
How predictable is this variable and dynamic steering ratio in critical scenearios when you need to quick movements, like in moose test. Does it overshoot more than you expect?
About the same as trying to find the correct accelerator pedal position on a traction-limited emergency (i.e. don't want braking or accel). Can't easily find that position in a one-pedal-driving set-up.
So how would two Cyber Trucks crashing onto each other sound like. It has to be a very loud sound 😂
Or a regular gas vehicle, with that weight it will blow you in pieces lol
Fatality!
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@@RotoRCol there was already a road incident. A Corolla crashed into a Cybertruck and was pretty much destroyed, while the truck just had a few pieces of its fender damaged.
@@abhishekrao1525 that'll buff out.
Shout out to the 1988 Honda Prelude Si 4ws. First production car with 4 wheel steering. It was a budget car that slalomed faster than anything else at the time. 80s Hondas were so fun to drive
The 2026 Prelude looks pretty cool too
@@fcv1967 agreed
It wasn't a "budget" car. It was in the same price range or somewhat above a well equipped Honda Accord.
The Honda Prelude Si 4ws cost a small fortune to keep on the road....
1980's Honda's were garbage, I know I have serviced them. My favorites are the pressed on brake rotors, the Hondamatic Semi automatic transmissions that lasted about 30k miles between rebuilds, the manual transaxles that started losing gears by 100k and the Honda Civic 1200 Aluminum engine that cracked within 20k miles...
Face it they were disposable...
I did manage to buy a Civic 1200 with 40k miles after it blew its second engine and I stuffed a prelude engine in it...
@@davidhollenshead4892 I said fun, not reliable. But since you brought it up, Honda was the second most reliable car company of the 1980's behind Toyota. Relative to other '80s cars they were of relatively great quality. Yes they were disposable, but they were commuter cars. I had an 85 Accord and an 89 CRX (135k & 175k miles at sale), my college girlfriend had an 89 Prelude SI 4WS (over 100k miles). None of them ever required any work other than regular maintenance. The only people I knew that had the kind of problems you mentioned didn't change their timing belts. Interference motors don't like that and bend valves when the belt/chain breaks. I learned how to rebuild a head when my friend learned that the hard way with his Integra
I appreciated an analysis that wasn't a just memes dunking on it for being Elon's or an EV. My biggest complaint from afar is that some bits seem really unnecessarily cheap for what is already an expensive vehicle. The doorcards and dash look more at home on a Daewoo Matiz or geo metro than a vehicle that costs as much as a house. The XL wiper also seems less effective than 2 normal wipers, and a round steering wheel, though more boring, still seems like a better option.
Not only does it tow short distances but you have to remove the trailer to charge every time. You're adding an extra hour to a 300 mile trip and getting out to unhook and hook the trailer 3 times assuming there is space to even do that. If you're towing something like a boat in your garage, 40 miles away to a lake and returning home for charging, you may be fine. Going back and forth to home depot, not so bad. Counting on the charging network in tow should be a very rare consideration, knowing the time and hassle.
I would say you might have to remove the trailer but not necessarily. Maybe you get a charge plug extension and just pull up near the charger
@@mshepard2264and take up 5 spots? are you being serious or just trolling?
I hook/unhook my trailer 2 or 3 times per day often and that ends up costing me 5 or 6 hours easily. (or maybe it was 5 or 6 minutes, I can't rightly recall)
There are some pull through Superchargers, but they don’t seem to be common yet.
finally a person I trust to review this truck........
me too
Facts
Thinks like an engineer 😎
Exactly! I have watched ZERO Cybertruck videos before this one.
I don't agree because a proper review of a truck involves using it as a truck. Those who have done so have found that it sucks as a truck and gets stuck in the snow, and eats the tires, and gets 100 miles on a charge. So not a real truck,,,
Thanks! I did not know we had road load data for the Cybertruck!! Coef A 46.45 lbf, Coef B 0.14 lbf/mph, Coef C 0.03367 lbf/mph^2
48 volt electrics (actually 42V) were announced by Ford in the 1990s. It went nowhere because equipment manufacturers were not interested.
Tesla wanted to use Ethernet cabling and communication around the vehicle. Power Over Ethernet (POE), operates between 37V and 57V. 48V sits in the sweet spot and allows Ethernet to power lights, cameras, etc with no additional wiring. 48V makes the heavy motors easier so it’s a no-brainer to go there.
you said the "bed as really big", but accessing that bed near the cab looks awkward to me. The sides seem too high, I can't image loading cans of paint or other smaller items near the cab, everything would have to be to the rear. As a truck owner, I often reach into my bed from all sides. This looks like a major miss to me.
For any landscaper or construction worker who is used to reaching over the side of the bed to grab tools, it is useless. This is a cosplay cowboy truck, not a work truck.
Finally, a real review that talks about more than just bulletproof doors and the styling. Lots of great info here
Stainless steel ain't bulletproof bro
That "bulletproof" BS is all about selling these things to wannabe gangstas. It could stop small caliber soft-point bullets, but I wouldn't bet my life on it.
He is just driving it around and does nothing that you need a truck for. It is a bad test for anyone looking for a truck.
@@absolutefreedom9437 It might stop a handgun lol
@@corail53I agree, but let's be real here, 99% of cybertrucks on the roads won't be used as an off-roader or hauler, they will be driven around by soccer moms or tech evangelists
Biggest gain from high voltage (800V battery) architecture is going to be charging efficiency. Being able to save 2% when charging with 800V vs 400V on a 140kW battery means I don't have to pay for that extra 11kw of power that gets lost to heat when charging. Coming from the energy storage sector, there is a reason why a lot of grid tie energy storage systems are using 1000V battery architecture and some are pushing to 1500V. It is all about that I2R loss.
Reduction in power loss should be 4.6kWh not 11kWH, see explanation below. Thanks Jason for calling me out on this :)
1) How did you come up with 2%?
2) If it is 2%, how do you get 11 kWh from 2% of the battery pack (even adding 20% losses)?
1) 2% improvement is number we used to justify going from 480V to 1000V architecture.
You can find online documentation and see a 1% improvement going from 210V to 480V on the inverter. 1000V systems go up to 98.4% efficiency. Check out EPC power inverters.
2) Bad math or typo on my part. Using real numbers. 140kWh/96.3=145.4kWh, 140kWh/98.4=142.3kWh thus a savings of 3.1kWh for just the inverter. With that reduction comes a equivalent reduction in thermal load thus the thermal management system (using a COP of 2) can save 3.1/2=1.55kWh. For a total system savings of 4.6kWh.
Jason, great content, and thanks for catching my math error (a little embarrassing for a engineer)
@@buffalojr03thanks for the additional details!
Cybertruck is cool, I've had a reservation for what, over 4 years now. I've also had a Rivian R1T for over 25k miles now. I haven't driven the Cybertruck yet, but I think the Rivian will still be my preferred pick...better visibility, my Quad is super fast and I got at Original pricing...better storage and something many forget, Rivian has a great suspension with the air and hydraulic roll control. Sometimes it looks like the Cybertruck is tipping over in corners. The Rivian is the EV Sport's Truck if you like driving.
I know one of the major complaints by people with trucks is the towing range, but here's thing thing: there are lots of industrial uses for trucks outside of towing 11,000lbs.
For example, a 500lb motor is too large to fit in an SUV, but not large enough you'd want to put it on a trailer. But it's the perfect size for a truck box.
High volume low weight deliveries like pallets of safety supplies. You don't need the 13,000lb towing capacity and 1000km range of an F150 to move a 300lb pallet of safety supplies just 30km.
The biggest single issue with the cybertruck continues to be the absolutely horrific design choice.
I don't put celebrities on a pedestal, so having a truck that does truck stuff (towing, off roading, dragging sh*t) poorly, makes no sense to me.
As far as I understand it does all those things very well apart from towing long distance. For that you will have to charge about ever 100miles or so. I do not know the US towing culture so it will be interesting to know what percentage of truck drivers tow more than a 100miles at a time.
The Cybertruck with 11,000 lbs towing and 2500 lbs cargo capacity is better than most half ton pickups on the market. The best in its class is the Ford F-150 Max Trailer Tow Package with 14,000 lbs towing and 3300 lbs cargo, but many people have said that the Cybertruck drives better with a load than most ICE trucks. The problem is the range, and none of the electric pickups have good range will towing, because it takes a lot of extra weight in batteries to have good range and that limits the cargo capacity.
@@amosbatto3051It is the same problem that attempts at electric semis have. You've got a choice of giving up half the load for batteries to get the same range, having to spend a couple of hours recharging every 100 miles or so, or having to build a whole series of depots that have the equipment to fast recharge the batteries the trucks use. None of the options are viable for a normal logistics setup, so the electric semi idea is a novelty PR stunt for the foreseeable future.
The target market is not heavy duty truck consumers. For towing, multiple companies are developing electric assisted trailer axles.
@@DERP_Squad Some channel here on youtube, they are replacing the trucks engine with a diesel generator so the electric converted truck doesn't need a charge station.
So they are making what is more or less a Diesel-electric truck. All the torque of electric motors, with the added benefit of on-board power generation.
Edison electric truck, is what I recall the name being.
I think this is the best, most balanced and factual review I have seen of the Cybertruck. There are lots of passionate opinions about this one, but this review stuck to information we can use. This is why I subscribe to the channel.
Happy to hear it, thanks for watching!
Not really as it needs to be reviewed as a truck.
EE reviewed it as a car and that is what I suspect it really is...
Thanks mom!
Did noone else noticed how he just handwaved away the indicator lights not always working when he pressed the button?
Is "Indicators may not work" not a roadworthiness failure in the USA?
@@dancooperish Apparently he is high up on Elon's list of first astronauts to step foot on Mars. He is given some leeway. Just use hand signals if the indicators don't work. No biggie. What he really failed to mention is how easy it is to harness a team of horses to the truck as a back up plan.
If the tire inflation level can be controlled by pneumatics, unless you have a catastrophic blowout, or someone slashes your tires, I think that the pump can keep the tire inflated until you reach a service station or your home.
or... the tire inflators can have a 'runflat' chemical added via a secondary tank that can plug the leak temporarily till you can get the tire fixed. or you just pull over and shoot some fix-a-flat into the tire manually.
The sloped bed walls did sort of make my eyes roll when i saw it for the first time. The Honda Ridgeline learned their lesson years ago and redesigned the bed walls to be normal again because frankly it is a pain to reach over that inclining wall. Just another example of this product basically being a toy, albeit a very nice one.
Maybe it is just a mechanical engineer thing, but i still trust a steering column more than redundant electronics.
Steel has been studied for much longer, we understand it's reliability better and it does not get bad over time as electronics do.
Especially considering i live in brazil where the average age of cars on the road is 10 yo, i wouldn't trust a 10 yo steer by wire system.
Im paranoid about going 80mph when an emp hits.....
Airplanes have used the same system for decades.
I hope you typed your comment using a mechanical typewriter. 😬
@@TheGeekPub yes, but airplanes go through much more strict preventive replacement of parts and maintenance.
Most owners don't maintain their car like they should.
@justinmallaiz4549 never said i am anti-technology, i work in software development.
And if my phone breaks, it won't kill me or anyone near me, no need to be extra safe with phones.
I think it's good to be extra safe in a heavy and fast car like this
The cyber truck will never be used by tradesman carting wheel barrows and bags of cement, it is for driving between the gym, the cafe, the beach and the bar.
Yep, should let traddies and farm people reveiw this, not tech people or motor journalists who wouldn't have one idea what makes a good reliable work vehicle, the cyper truck is for the boss dropping off a bag of screws.
LoL
US Citizens: Wait until you have to pay for gas… 😂
@@BennoBosinskiwe have some of the cheapest gas in the developed world...
Also electric cars can be terrible, just get a Rivian if you want something that isn't terrible and not made by a company owned by an awful excuse for a human being.
US truck culture in a nutshell, nothing new here
Cool review! The large raked windshield and unshielded wiper will be a bit of a issue in the rain. As water may pile up under the wiper blade. I suggest Rain-X as a possible solution.
19:17 the throttle pedal acceleration curve is my pet peeve with the Rivian R1S and R1T. I hope they fix it and make it more Tesla-like with a software update.
15:37 The exterior might be resistant to dents, but despite being 'stainless' steel, it is still more vulnerable to everyday corrosion (road salt, bug splats, etc.) than normal steel panels that are dipped and painted.
Sand it
Resistant to dents against anything it hits. Pedestrians, for example. And any other traffic participant. To me, aside from all the cool technology, this is a car that screams "I only care about me".
@@TherconJairpeople die all the time look at what Israel is doing to Palestinians
I've not experienced any corrosion with the stainless steel panels on my DeLorean and it is over 40 years old.
@@dickeysgarage Cause DeLorean is stainless steel grade 304, Tesla used just 301, which is apparently worse than even most cutlery
I don’t understand why trucks have such tall cabs. It adds a lot of frontal area (>>drag), and thus heavily affects range. Plus it makes it harder to carry long objects over the cab. Electric trucks should look like small trucks from the 1980s.
People keep buying big tall trucks so they keep building them bigger.
Even the small trucks are basically full size trucks that are narrower.
Well, you could change your question to "why do trucks even exist"? Because Muricans like to spend ungodly amounts of money on big fat things. 99% of all people's needs are met by a mid-size sedan or wagon. Anything bigger or more powerful than that comes down to "because I like it and will spend money on it".
For some, offroading. For most, "cause it's cool"
Because tall cabs are roomy. Literally no difference from suv's, they just sit higher. My truck is great, I use it where needed, and drive my model y or other cars, when commiting or doing things that don't need the truck.
Everyone's use case is different, not everyone buys them to just show off.
@@michaelhess4825Not everyone, but I’d wager 98% of them are buying so they “feel safer/I’d like to see over the traffic/I feel more respected by other vehicles if I am in a truck/it looks cool” etc, etc.
I'm a dirt biker about Jason's age (62). Being a dirt biker I am very interested in the size of a pickup's bed. So I'm a little taken aback by the huge bed comment. Jason is old enough to know that an 8 foot box used to be standard. You could then order and six or ten foot box. A 10 foot box is my definition of "huge bed". I will not consider any truck with less than an eight foot bed. So that puts me out of the electric truck market for the foreseeable future.
Full disclosure. My current truck is a GMC 3500 D-Max crew cab "long" (8ft) box.
Nice review. I have a 2023 Model S and have totally gotten used to the haptic turn signal buttons. I am so used to it that now when I drive another vehicle I'm like: "WTF? I have to take my hand off wheel to set blinker?!?!?" Turn signal stalks (or stalks in general) are just a legacy of old design. The choice to put it on the wheel makes much more sense and it is pretty easy to get used to.
Using a "legacy" blinker stalk doesn't require taking your hand off the wheel.
16:16 About bullet resistance:
"Probably best to avoid that situation entirely."
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US cities.
Fit it with Alon windows, fill the interspaces with UHDMPE, and give it an integrated onboard generator, and it would make a decent military vehicle.
@homerj806
Learning from movies can get you killed.. 😌
Very good overview. No wasting time. Like others talking intentionaly slowly
Haha I don’t think I’m capable of speaking slowly. Glad you liked it!
Counter to the trend I think he has the opposite going on. He has so much excited knowledge to share that he doesn’t want to keep us for too long. But still wants to share it all. Really scratches my brain itch
EE and ProjectFarm are my 2 favorite youtube channels for this very reason.
"Practical" isn't something I expected to hear to describe the Cybertruck. Not after mentioning things like the visibility issues, lack of a spare, incomplete software. And things you didn't mention (the extensive care needed for stainless steel exposed to the elements, rear vision being wholly reliant on cameras that can easily become obstructed by dirt/condensation/spray from a wet road/etc, sharp edges to body panels)
The main issue I see with converting truck drivers to electric is understanding that truck drivers don't buy a truck for what they need, they buy a truck for what they think they need.
I don't think it's a hard stretch to say that most trucks are driven as cars, but once in a blue moon they get used as trucks. It's just the new version of range anxiety: "Sure, 99% of the time I only drive 10km a day, but every 6 months I visit my family 900km away".
The same is true of trucks, "Sure, I don't carry 1,500kg loads every day, but when I need to I need to".
That's where the struggle will be with trucks. The Ford and the Rivian do well by keeping the overall design similar to ICE trucks. The Telsa went a different direction, and I don't think it'll last because while the bed might be good for square loads, it won't work as well for odd shaped loads, or over size loads. While those loads might be rare for most people, most people buy based on what they might need, not what the do need.
Ive never owned a car without a spare tire. Sometimes I go years without needing it, but sometimes the roads are bad and I need it several times a year.
I've never punctured a tire in like 30 years. If I did, I'd just get it towed for free thanks to insurance.
@@esaedvik Having had a few flats over the past 40+ years, every time it was faster, sometimes _much_ faster, to swap w/my spare and get back on the road. The last time, just after pulling over, I texted the person I was meeting telling them I would be about ten minutes late -- and that was, in the end, how long it took for me to swap and get back on the road.
Admittedly if one isn't facile with tools and lives in an urban area, they are likely better off calling the tow service and either waiting or telling the tow service where the key is hidden and getting an Uber to wherever one is going.
It's an unfortunate trend, but not something Tesla started.
Smart cars don't have spares either. Just a bottle of specialty gunk and an inflator. Plus, the tires are different sizes between front and back, and have to be special ordered. Efficiency through lightness can go too far.
What's almost as annoying are cars with the donut style spares. Those often have a max speed of 35mph, incredibly high pressures, and are almost never actually maintained.
Can anyone imagine what a 36" wheel would weigh - Elon would be being sued for hernias left right and between the legs!!!
Even my corolla I ultimately ended up with a full size spare since those donuts don't really last beyond 10 years. Lose a little trunk space, but worth it for a full size spare. And of course my Tacoma has a full size spare, even when I upped the tire size, I bought 5 tires so my spare matches my upgraded regular tires.
Watching the scenery go by reminded me so much of the hill country around Dripping Springs.
I'd not get too excited about having variable drive on the steering.
I drove a Ford in about 1989 or '90 that had a progressive (non-linear) rack with hydraulic power assistance. And Lexus have been building speed-sensitive power-assisted steering for at least 25 years.
Wow, Jason, driving for 26 minutes with no stop-and-go traffic. How refreshing. Great video! Still don't want to try and haul a full-size truck around Los Angeles anymore, but very in-depth.
He is driving line creek rd near Austin Tx. So basically little California
@@enigma9789ahh! Understand. Thanks!
@@enigma9789I thought I recognized that treatment plant! Fun road. I guess he edited some of those super tight blind turns. Lol
Thanks for this. I grew up in Belton and instantly recognized the hills and live oaks and assumed it was close to Austin. Just couldn’t figure out exactly where.
@@jabadoo5307 I only knew the trees and wanted to drive on the road. I waited until i found a sign, and googled it. I knew it would be in my area somewhere.
That windshield wiper alone is a sign of the apocalypse.
Thank God, I'm so tired of elon that I welcome Armageddon just to shut him up
What does this even mean?
I'm not disagreeing, I just want to know...
@@jlco there's no meaning. People are overly dramatic for the sake of being dramatic
@@jlco what it means that Musk is a liar. He promised so much and vastly underdelivered.
I had a '98 Benz C230, the single windshield wiper was better than any two blade setup I've had before or since.
The look of this vehicle is an instant love it or hate it. It’s an instant icon. Hopefully, more like the Countach, and not like the Delorean.
My 2012 Sonic LS has electric power steering that seamlessly, perfectly changes turning ratio according to speed. However, the steering wheel is still directly connected. There is peace of mind in that.
My biggest issue with my Model Y is no spare. It has the space for it. There is a space under the boot that with a little bit of adjustment would fit a full size spare.
To not have a spare for the Cybertruck is crazy.
It's so they can sell you a monthly subscription to roadside assistance
How many people keep their spare tire in shape, ready to go? I have found the 2x my friends needed their donut spare, it was not worthy of the road and they didn't have the tire pump to make it so, so AAA was needed both times. It's unnecessary weight + space 99.9% of the time. I think it should be an option and fit better somewhere though, not a complete afterthought. For me though, I do not need to carry a spare and won't bother with my EVs. I do check the tires, rotate them 2x a year, replace before they are unsafe, etc.
@@gorak9000 you can have both
@@whattheschmidt I would hope most people keep their spare tire in shape, I sure do. If you rotate tires 2x a year then you only have a unfit spare if you really want it to be unfit.
@lcg3092 my point though is I bet over 80%do not keep it in shape. My tire rotations are because I have a winter wheel set. It's awesome swapping them out myself in my driveway and knowing everything is done right and torqued right.
A truck made by engineers, I have to think of the Maverick.
The wheel wells lining up with a second catch on the tailgate lowering for fitting 4x8 plywood? I am mad at how obvious that is and how I would have never thought of that.
Also jealous that it gets more MPG than my fit.
For steer by wire; that thing must make for a great game controller for Assetto Corsa! And I agree with your assessment of the safety implications. So many thing are electronic, and assuming that electricity=bad is like assuming electronic fuel injection is unreliable.
A video about using an EV for powering a home would be a great video! It would really put into perspective the amount of energy that an EV has.
Technology Connections and 8-Bit Guy have both done pretty good videos on that topic. (Home battery backups, using an EV to power appliances, etc.)
Steering by wire ratio. With a hydraulic system that's also possible (BMW E32/34 high-end models had a different ratio depending on the speed)
I read reports about this stainless steel car rusting after just a few days of ownership, because the owner left their car in the rain. I wonder what happens there, could it be galvanic corrosion that was overlooked in the design phase?
No, it means it was not really stainless steel.
Maybe the engineers forgot when ordering the “space grade” stainless steel that there isn’t rain in space
The main purpose of going 48V is not to increase efficiency for more range, it is to reduce materials in fabrication thinner wires means not just less copper, but less of every other supporting materials including mounting/routing hardware, connectors, etc. 1/4 of the copper per vehicle ... it adds up to massive savings in the production. Easier repairs ... etc. etc.
Thin automotive wiring does not equal easy repairs. Ford's bad enough.
I agree with you (18:00) that all vehicles should have a spare wheel/tire -- or at least the *option* for one (i.e., a dedicated space somewhere in the rear, or in the frunk in a BEV, for one) -- meaning that people could opt to not the spare and use that circular storage space for other storage, but that they could also later opt to buy a spare wheel/tire and have a hidden place to store it if they so choose.
Pretty sure someone will come up with a fastener for a sparetire somewhere hanging off the back or something (like a jeep)
Then you have to get the tire...but that's a minor inconvenience, and hopefully you'll never need it
Yeah and even worse, the ones that don't come with spares usually have the fix a flat cans which almost guarantees that a tire that might have been repairable now has to be replaced. None of the tire shops I've dealt with will even touch a tire that has had fix a flat sprayed into it, because once it's cured, it can not easily be removed and messes with the weight balance of the tire.
The bmw mini doesn’t have one and there solution is to put very expensive and hard to get run flat tires. This Tesla may have something similar. It’s quite annoying when you want to go replace your what you would expect to be under $100 tire for something much more because they didn’t want to put a spare.
The first buyers of a cybertruk will call someone and the tow company will know there is no spare and a town truck will fetch it after the owner has been Uber Black driven away. That is how Porsche, BMW, etc., etc. Get dealt with, even if there is a spare.
And you’ve had to change a spare last, when ?
So you want something that people use maybe every 10 years. I’ve never changed a tire on the side of the road for the last 28 years
Safety concerns should get more focus I think. Is this thing even legal in Europe? Triangular stainless steel hitting pedestrians sounds like a worse time than most other vehicles. No crumple zones sounds like a recipe for injured drivers after collisions. If the windows are too tough, the driver would be in a _lot_ of trouble if the battery caught fire (when the doors don't work, you need to be able to kick out the wind shield or a window to escape!).
Couple questions, what happens if the front of that super tough exterior crashes?
-what happens if both motors fail for steering the front?
Due to the review on another channel, it appears the front bumper is constantly tensioned, with the welds holding it in place. What happens if those welds break/crack?
well the 'steer by wire' will save you from broken fingers like in a regular truck crash.
off roaders know not to put there fingers inside the steeringwheel rungs as when you hit a rock it tends to take your fingers off, can't happen in this truck.
@@robgilmour3147but ehat if both motors fail and your told to pull over to the side? Or, amd this is more likely, something chews through that wire enough that its holding together, but falls apart when hitting a couple bumps? At that point you are moving, but have 2wheels or even possibly 4 that you are no longer in control of.
It just seems like elon went the "titanic" approach with the tesla dorito
Around 11:45 in the video there's a delay in wheel response to steering input. Not a lot, about a 1/4 of a second or so, but that's a long time at highway speeds. Jason talks about steering feel being affected by "gummy tires", I wonder if he's just noticing this delay instead.
For all the pros and cons of the body design, two things are likely - that rigid stainless steel doesn't crumple well in an accident, so occupants will be more likely to be injured and all those sharp angles are a pedestrian killer. I'm surprised it's allowed on the roads.
I know this seems like it would have to be true, but in fact it wouldn't be on the road if it didn't meet crash test standards for occupant safety (which are pretty stringent) by strategically crumpling in the right places.
Now, the safety of pedestrians, which the US govt mostly doesn't have test standards for... That's another story.
Dang that's a pretty huge lag, that's concerning.
"I'm surprised it's allowed on the roads"
It's allowed in the US - it's not allowed in the EU, so Cybertruck never will be available in the EU. Not that it would be otherwise: you need a C driving license to drive it due to its weight, which would significantly reduce the number of buyers.
@@DHClapp wow, no testing for pedestrians???
Do you know what a quarter of a second is? Clearly not. It's a 10th of a second at best. Am sure he would have been able to sense a delay and would have mentioned it if it was an issue at all.
I didn’t realize until this video that you’re in ATX. Love Lime Creek Rd, I’m out there on my bike all the time. Love the channel, keep up the good work!
I don't know if he lives in the Austin area, but this was certainly recorded on Lime Creek and 1431as well it appears.
west of Byran, N of Huston, and westerly to sequin. Love traveling these roads in spring and fall with top down or motorcycle. Props to anyone riding with pedals in the summer. Even with more and more sprawl the vistas and design choices of homes are scenic (italian even) there are quite alot of grape orchards.
Never thought after buying a car software updates would improve the vehicle. Interesting to think that vehicles of the future will have different software packages like a computer to give it different capabilities. We could all have the same looking cars but within software all have unique combinations to make them unique.
I appreciate that you support the positive engineering changes that Tesla brings.
The electric steering may not fail mechanically, but what happens when the sensors disagree (a la Boeing) or there is a bug in the software that says what steering ratio to use at a certain speed?
At least you won’t have a 35 thousand foot drop to contemplate all the bad decisions you made in your life.
Thank you for your unbiased perspective. I was disappointed that the undervault storage doesn’t fit a spare tire. Perhaps someone will make a real range extender that could be housed in the undervault storage.
Well, the new generation of drivers won't even consider changing a wheel. This vehicle is adapted to the future generations (pussies) I think this is just a cool urban truck, just to show off.
“You won’t chip the paint” is an interesting way to frame that they charge you thousands for paint unlike every other car in existence
How are the blind spots in that compared to a standard truck design? It could just be your camera angles, but it felt like things were hard to see except straight ahead.
I had a tie rod failure. Scariest thing I've ever experienced in a car.
Terrifying!
I've seen one happen and totally agree. Always kept them in good repair ever since.
I heard that Trump won as I drove. Far scarier.
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Dang! I'm halfway through video right now and I've learned more about the Cybertruck and features from EE than from 10 other videos I've watched including a video with the designer and engineer that produced Cybertruck.
Well done and interesting video as usual EE. Thank you
Happy to hear it, thanks for watching!
Then you didn’t watch (or pay attention to) the Hagerty video. Jason Cammisa talked about all this, and more. For instance, he also mentioned the new network system Tesla put in this. Also, I have to disagree that 48 volts isn’t new. No one has ever put it in a production car before. Not for the entire low voltage system.
@@jayjohnson3732just so you’re aware, Tesla definitely innovated on the 48V front. That said, plenty of other cars have 48V systems, and Tesla’s entire system is not 48V. For example, the speakers are 24V. I believe there are numerous other examples, but Tesla was a bit vague in messaging.
@@EngineeringExplained I’m aware that other vehicles have “48 volt systems”, but my understanding is the use of 48 volts is confined to specific, and isolated systems, like rear wheel steering for instance. No one else has implemented it vehicle wide. With respect to the speakers, I *think* that is because they are basically part of the vehicle data network, and not wired directly from a head unit, as is traditional. I remember hearing one of the engineers telling Sandy Munro that they were in effect a network component. I could be wrong.
With steer by wire it’s basically a giant sim rig.
I hope they will release iRacing for it, that would be cool
I love that you took the cyber truck out on Lime Creek road.
Don't think having huge battery packs in the vehicle itself for towing is the future. For those who tow long distances regularly, batteries will be in the trailer as well. Also much more attention will be made to trailer aerodynamics. Charging stations will be configured to charge both the truck and trailer at the same time. Some spatial standardization across brands is needed to make this work. When the trailer is not working it could be used as a virtual power station, pulling power during low demand and pushing power back in during high demand. Look for huge innovation going forward.
There is one new RV (forget the name), that has a battery which also drives the wheels extending range.
So, you see having trailers that cost as much as trucks being the solution?
@@TruthFiction If you drive long distances often, gas savings will pay for a battery pack quickly. Now the infrastructure is not there. It is coming.
@@TruthFiction There could also be trailers which use fuel-based generators for range extension. When an engine can be designed to run at a single load and power level it can be made simpler and more efficient than a standard automotive engine. They could also use other technologies like fuel cells.
I don't understand the exitement about the variable steering ratio. Mechanical steering also comes with variable steering ratio. There are a lot of cars out there that have it. My car - not an expensive one - changes the steering ratio depending on the speed of the car but also on the angle of the steering wheel itself. It's much more intuitive than it sounds. Because the last x percent of the steering angle is only used when parking so it totally makes sense to increase the sensitivity even more in that range.
Variable Gearing Steering blew my mind... back in 2004 on a Honda S2000(can't believe Jason didn't mention it, maybe he didn't get a VGS model...)
@@AtlasJotununsure how his s2000 would be a variable ratio edition. Believe they’re confined to the Type V variant which is jdm market only - meaning RHD cars
@@peejayem4700 I knew they were model-dependent, and I should have guessed that (as usual) we didn't get the good stuff :.(
It is surprising that , given how long it took to actually start manufacturing Cybertruck, that there would be software features as important as autopilot and autosteering not ready to use at launch. With drive-by-wire steering, and rear-wheel steering, it seems like that would be integral to how the steering process works.
The 48 volt architecture is the most important advancement in the ct
The 48V system, not only reduces wire loom weight, but also the weight of all those motors, solenoids etc.
Not really, motors and solenoids mostly rely on current
@@11235but where's your concern with Ford trucks? Rivian vehicles, etc?
It's the same as with energy consumption, it has such a small impact that it can be neglected. If weight were important to them, they could get a lot more out of other areas. The decision not to include a spare wheel alone makes a bigger impact in terms of weight
I think the biggest advantage of a 48V system is cost saving. Normal cars has hundreds of meters of electrical wiring running in looms. These has to be manufactured and installed. If I am correct the Cybertruck uses ethernet cables. Cheaper and quicker to install than a bulky wiring loom, but when Sandy Munroe takes one apart we will get all the answers.
@@smalltime0 You'll never guess what pushes current through a wire :P