Mike may i suggest that Ashley try out the Falken Wildpeak A/T Trail tire . Its an " all weather" just like those celcius you have on there currently . Its also 3 peak mountain snow flake rated but its tread wear rating is substantially better compared to the celcius tire . Its vsry popular for those rav4's . Ivd been running them for 2 yrs on my 21' rav4 up bere in canada and theyve been fantastic on/off road . Highly recommend
Ply still matters, they make 2 and 3 ply sidewall tires, and the sidewall is the part that rips usually. Most mud terrains are 3, ko2s are 3, the new at4w is 3. Most other ATs are 2
Happy I found this video!! Looking to get something on my '21 Jeep GC!! I was going back and forth with cross climates but wanted something off road and he recommend the Toyo Open country AT III! I live in MI so probably will go with those and loved the breakdown through the video! It's my first mod to make it more of my own so that was nice to watch!
I think the relationship between load rating and sidewall structure is misunderstood. For instance, E load rating may mean 10 ply equivalent belts and ability to handle weight with a certain air pressure, but for sidewall almost every manufacturer will have a two or three ply sidewall. My understand for Falken, all of their tires use a two ply sidewall regardless of load rating. Nevertheless their sidewalls are tough due to their design.
Many people worry about losing torque by going to a taller/larger tire . When you air down the tires, you gain torque, but you lose ground clearance on your axle. It's a balancing act depending on the surface you are trying to cross.
Some say skinnys float better since the contact patch is going to be longer for a given pressure, and it's longer than the wide fire is wider so you actually get more surface area.
Great timing, in the research faze of buying new tires. Currently run BFG KO2 275/70/18 with Method 308 with 18 offset, on a 2018 Tundra 4X4 offroad stock suspension. Tire rubs a little in reverse with a hard turn. KO2's have been good except in the rain!!! Thanks for the info.
I opted for 33" (255/80/17) on my 4Runner. Stock wheels, stock suspension, no rubbing. Seems to be the sweet spot for this platform. One thing to keep in mind with the Toyota 120/150 platform (FJ, 4Runner, Tacoma, GX470/460, and Prado) is that a lift will NOT help you fit larger tires AND maintain full suspension travel. 90% of the time aftermarket wheels with high offset are the culprit of rubbing issues. Keep offset in the positive, and keep your tires narrow to avoid cutting and chopping.
Recently i switched from 285 75 17 km3s to 255 80 17 yoko x ats there is none to minimal ride height change but very big weight difference.Since there is not much comparison i made one in my channel to help ppl
Thanks Mike, I was leaning towards the RT trail for my 80 instead of the AT3 but hearing you are going with the AT3 for the tundra making me rethink. It’s a daily that’s probably 95 on road and 5 off road. Not much snow where I’m at but never hurts to be ready, and the road manners would probably be good for the daily.
I have an older F250 and I have never really aired down. How do you know how much pressure you can run on the low end so you don't lose a bead off the rim? My factory spec is 80 psi and they are hard.
Alright Mike, you’ve run 295/70r17’s on your Tacoma and you got 285/75r17’son your LX. I’m trying to figure out what tire size to go with on my 3rd gen. 2.25” lift, -10 offset wheel. I’m on a 285/70r17 right now and I’ve already had to do a bit of inner fender clearancing. I feel like the 285 will fit better but the 295 will look better. What would ya do?
I'd add to the width topic, with a bit of overlap on the contact patch topic that a "skinny" tire taller than OEM with close to OEM width will add less weight to the vehicle and rotating mass (which you hit on) compared to a taller and fatter tire. The skinny tire also creates less wind drag and often will reduce the amount of debris thrown on the side of the vehicle if properly spaced in the wheel well. You will gain an increase in contact patch length when aired down in a skinny. I would say on my WJ, a skinny has added a bit more "side to side wobble feeling" on the highway. Its not a "death wobble" at all but you can feel some lateral motion, compared to stock sizing. When these wear out, I may keep the same diameter but go up in width one size I believe I am running a 245/75/R17 aka 31.5" x 9.6".
Dude, perfect timing. I’ve been researching this all week for my 23 Colorado ZR2. Would like the new KO3s, but BFG doesn’t have them yet in the size I’m looking for (285/75r17), so leaning toward the Toyo AT3 now. This was helpful, thanks for sharing.
If I put after market wheels that are 17x8.5 with zero offset and 4.75 backspacing. What size tire would go best without any modifications? Off-road 2-3 times a week. Thanks 🤙🏽
Great video! I just bought some Falken Wildpeak AT4w’s (275/60/20) for my 2018 Tundra Platinum. Also added Bilstein 5100s all the way around and it’s perfect for being a daily driver and also getting around my property.
Just put on our second set of the Celsius CUV tires on my wife’s car and I’ve been extremely impressed with the tire through the whole life of the tire. If there was a performance degradation in wet weather, it was not noticeable even until the day they were replaced. One of the best CUV tires in my opinion!
curious if you've ever run 35/11.5/17 Nitto's on the Tacoma? rare size only toyo and nitto make (mostly)... also, to convert 285/75/17 285*75/25.4/100*2=16.83 add that to wheel size. 17" = 33.83" tire height. (285 width btw is 11.22") what you got on that gorgeous LX570
It’s all relative. They are not good compared to a snow tire, but they are better than an M/T. They’re pretty good in deep snow - not as good on hard pack or ice. If lots of on road snow is in your life, I’d opt for a snowflake rated (3PMSF) like the AT3.
@@LastLineOfDefense I’ve got 16” wheels and was thinking about 33” tires. I have 2” of lift in the front and 1.5” in the rear. I was thinking I should be safe with the factory wheels.
Probably not any modern tire that actually uses 10 plies - as explained in the video. There may be a few out there I guess, but modern tires use fewer stronger plies, and thus the historical “10 ply” rating is now an “equivalent” measure - which in modern terms denotes it’s a load range e tire.
Have 285/70/17 Toyo AT3's on my 4runner. Love em so far, used primarily as daily driver. Love em even more than my old KO2. Have such a better driving feel and way better in the rain.
Skinny tires are actually better in many off road situations than wider tires. It is a common misconception that airing down a tire for off-road traction only makes the tire contact patch wider. That is not the case. In fact, only 20% of the increased contact comes from the width. 80% of the increased contact patch comes from the tread patch becoming longer. A tall, narrow tire allows for a very long contact patch when aired down. That, coupled with the minimal frontal resistance (area), negates much of the downside to narrow tires in flotation situations. Narrow tires can also help on rocky terrain. It is not the contact patch that creates better traction, but the tires ability to conform to the surface irregularities
I saw the part at 5:33. I was commenting on 11:20 where you talk about when wider tires are better in sand, mud, and rocks. I did miss the part where you say you consider 12.50 not really skinny or fat. I think 12.50 are more of a wider tire. When I think skinny I’m thinking 255/80 vs a wide is more of a 285/70
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Mike may i suggest that Ashley try out the Falken Wildpeak A/T Trail tire . Its an " all weather" just like those celcius you have on there currently . Its also 3 peak mountain snow flake rated but its tread wear rating is substantially better compared to the celcius tire . Its vsry popular for those rav4's . Ivd been running them for 2 yrs on my 21' rav4 up bere in canada and theyve been fantastic on/off road . Highly recommend
Solid video, Mike. Great info 👍🏼
Great video and information as always!! Any advice with P bs LT toyo open country or falken wildpeaks.
Ply still matters, they make 2 and 3 ply sidewall tires, and the sidewall is the part that rips usually. Most mud terrains are 3, ko2s are 3, the new at4w is 3. Most other ATs are 2
Out of curiosity what does he do for work, cause that’s the lifestyle I want .
As a beach and sand guy, I truly believe a tall skinny does much better in the sand as it doesn’t bull doze as much sand
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I would buy one but I already am running Toyo tires and they have been great.
Nothing new in this video. Complete waste of time.
0:15 imagine that!
Keep up the great work. Can definitely tell the tireless nights you put in
Happy I found this video!! Looking to get something on my '21 Jeep GC!! I was going back and forth with cross climates but wanted something off road and he recommend the Toyo Open country AT III! I live in MI so probably will go with those and loved the breakdown through the video! It's my first mod to make it more of my own so that was nice to watch!
I think the relationship between load rating and sidewall structure is misunderstood. For instance, E load rating may mean 10 ply equivalent belts and ability to handle weight with a certain air pressure, but for sidewall almost every manufacturer will have a two or three ply sidewall. My understand for Falken, all of their tires use a two ply sidewall regardless of load rating. Nevertheless their sidewalls are tough due to their design.
Many people worry about losing torque by going to a taller/larger tire . When you air down the tires, you gain torque, but you lose ground clearance on your axle. It's a balancing act depending on the surface you are trying to cross.
seems that DJI pocket3 is pretty stable. How do you like it.
Thanks for creating this video and sharing your insights. What do you think of Black Rhino rims?
Some say skinnys float better since the contact patch is going to be longer for a given pressure, and it's longer than the wide fire is wider so you actually get more surface area.
Great timing, in the research faze of buying new tires.
Currently run BFG KO2 275/70/18 with Method 308 with 18 offset, on a 2018 Tundra 4X4 offroad stock suspension. Tire rubs a little in reverse with a hard turn. KO2's have been good except in the rain!!! Thanks for the info.
I opted for 33" (255/80/17) on my 4Runner. Stock wheels, stock suspension, no rubbing. Seems to be the sweet spot for this platform.
One thing to keep in mind with the Toyota 120/150 platform (FJ, 4Runner, Tacoma, GX470/460, and Prado) is that a lift will NOT help you fit larger tires AND maintain full suspension travel.
90% of the time aftermarket wheels with high offset are the culprit of rubbing issues. Keep offset in the positive, and keep your tires narrow to avoid cutting and chopping.
those 255/80 are a rare breed for sure. 10" 33" tall tires. love that look on a GX and 4 runner
Recently i switched from 285 75 17 km3s to 255 80 17 yoko x ats there is none to minimal ride height change but very big weight difference.Since there is not much comparison i made one in my channel to help ppl
Thanks Mike, I was leaning towards the RT trail for my 80 instead of the AT3 but hearing you are going with the AT3 for the tundra making me rethink. It’s a daily that’s probably 95 on road and 5 off road. Not much snow where I’m at but never hurts to be ready, and the road manners would probably be good for the daily.
Can you do a video on recovery points? Ie what if anything a stock tacoma/tundra has, and what mods can be added.
I have an older F250 and I have never really aired down. How do you know how much pressure you can run on the low end so you don't lose a bead off the rim? My factory spec is 80 psi and they are hard.
20 psi on a heavy duty truck is my minimum and only if needed. I usually air down to 25-30 for most trails in my f250
I run 35psi rear and 40psi front on my 00 ccsb f250 unloaded. If I tow then I max out the tires. 80psi makes a rough riding truck even rougher.
Can I get some 10 ply toilet paper
I'm Tired of This 🤬 !!!
noice
I am le tired
I’m wheelie tired of this! 😂
Say it a widdle wadder for the guys in the back!
I thought “what’s this guy’s problem” for a second
Just wanted to say great video and thank you for teaching us :)
Tires make all the difference.
Alright Mike, you’ve run 295/70r17’s on your Tacoma and you got 285/75r17’son your LX.
I’m trying to figure out what tire size to go with on my 3rd gen. 2.25” lift, -10 offset wheel. I’m on a 285/70r17 right now and I’ve already had to do a bit of inner fender clearancing. I feel like the 285 will fit better but the 295 will look better. What would ya do?
I'd add to the width topic, with a bit of overlap on the contact patch topic that a "skinny" tire taller than OEM with close to OEM width will add less weight to the vehicle and rotating mass (which you hit on) compared to a taller and fatter tire. The skinny tire also creates less wind drag and often will reduce the amount of debris thrown on the side of the vehicle if properly spaced in the wheel well. You will gain an increase in contact patch length when aired down in a skinny. I would say on my WJ, a skinny has added a bit more "side to side wobble feeling" on the highway. Its not a "death wobble" at all but you can feel some lateral motion, compared to stock sizing. When these wear out, I may keep the same diameter but go up in width one size I believe I am running a 245/75/R17 aka 31.5" x 9.6".
Dude, perfect timing. I’ve been researching this all week for my 23 Colorado ZR2. Would like the new KO3s, but BFG doesn’t have them yet in the size I’m looking for (285/75r17), so leaning toward the Toyo AT3 now. This was helpful, thanks for sharing.
Just bought the TOYO Open Country R/T Trail for my 2022 Pathfinder, based on this video.
Honestly, would like to see more videos about your Land Cruisers. The fj60 and fjz80. I know a lot of us want updates and videos about them
If I put after market wheels that are 17x8.5 with zero offset and 4.75 backspacing. What size tire would go best without any modifications? Off-road 2-3 times a week. Thanks 🤙🏽
Great video! I just bought some Falken Wildpeak AT4w’s (275/60/20) for my 2018 Tundra Platinum. Also added Bilstein 5100s all the way around and it’s perfect for being a daily driver and also getting around my property.
Alright Mike, if you could only have one of your rigs, purely from a toy/fun perspective, which one would you stick with?
You should jump your Tacoma
I jump it every day
What about the Toyo OC AT3 XL for weight reduction?
Always great content! Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@LastLineOfDefense I know its a tire video, but, do you rub beaded rims on your Tacoma and non beaded rims on your Tundra?
Great logical way to explain it. New to off-roading but happy to confirm I’m on the right track getting AT3s on my Tacoma which is also my commuter
Just put on our second set of the Celsius CUV tires on my wife’s car and I’ve been extremely impressed with the tire through the whole life of the tire. If there was a performance degradation in wet weather, it was not noticeable even until the day they were replaced.
One of the best CUV tires in my opinion!
I’ve had a great experience with nitto ridge grapplers on snow, rain and dry surfaces. Haven’t really used them in the mud that much
I remember when you were a ko2 guy. This was a really good video though. Thanks Mike!
Patagonia mt2s are super cheap comparatively and not too noisy on the road
curious if you've ever run 35/11.5/17 Nitto's on the Tacoma? rare size only toyo and nitto make (mostly)...
also, to convert
285/75/17
285*75/25.4/100*2=16.83 add that to wheel size. 17" = 33.83" tire height. (285 width btw is 11.22") what you got on that gorgeous LX570
I haven't, but I'd rock a 35x11.50 for sure
Im really interested in these brakes/break pads
Hey Mike. Great video.
Is it your experience the R/Ts are not good in snow? Toyo shows a 4.5 rating. Nothing beats real world testing though.
It’s all relative. They are not good compared to a snow tire, but they are better than an M/T. They’re pretty good in deep snow - not as good on hard pack or ice. If lots of on road snow is in your life, I’d opt for a snowflake rated (3PMSF) like the AT3.
Why didn’t you go 16inch on the taco? And kept it at 17inch could your new brake caliper not fit? Enjoyed the video!
More tire options for a 17" wheel
What are the benefits of replacing factory wheels on a third gen Tacoma TRD-OR?
If you want a different size (diameter/width), offset, a different look, or wanted to run beadlocks.
@@LastLineOfDefense I’ve got 16” wheels and was thinking about 33” tires. I have 2” of lift in the front and 1.5” in the rear. I was thinking I should be safe with the factory wheels.
Dude says people that refer to 10 plies don’t know what they’re talking about then proceeds to say they don’t make them anymore. What?
I guess you didn't hear what I was saying
I bet this video took a good year to put together.
Where's the Rottweiler?
There are 10-ply tires in E range highway tires. D range are 6-8 ply. C range are usually 3 ply
Probably not any modern tire that actually uses 10 plies - as explained in the video. There may be a few out there I guess, but modern tires use fewer stronger plies, and thus the historical “10 ply” rating is now an “equivalent” measure - which in modern terms denotes it’s a load range e tire.
Good breakdown!
Hey
Have 285/70/17 Toyo AT3's on my 4runner. Love em so far, used primarily as daily driver. Love em even more than my old KO2. Have such a better driving feel and way better in the rain.
Looking to do this on my GX470, what load range did you go with?
@@Chris_Swoboda c load
What kind of dog is that!! Please I need to know.
Just a good ol rescue mutt
Hopefully this video starts treadddending on TH-cam...
Haha it won’t, my videos never tread… only my tires.
@@LastLineOfDefense Yea it is crazy how your channel is not way bigger, definitely the coolest dude on TH-cam!
Skinny tires are actually better in many off road situations than wider tires. It is a common misconception that airing down a tire for off-road traction only makes the tire contact patch wider. That is not the case. In fact, only 20% of the increased contact comes from the width. 80% of the increased contact patch comes from the tread patch becoming longer. A tall, narrow tire allows for a very long contact patch when aired down. That, coupled with the minimal frontal resistance (area), negates much of the downside to narrow tires in flotation situations. Narrow tires can also help on rocky terrain. It is not the contact patch that creates better traction, but the tires ability to conform to the surface irregularities
Also. Hey! I’ve been a subscriber for a long time. Love your videos
Yup yup 5:33
I saw the part at 5:33. I was commenting on 11:20 where you talk about when wider tires are better in sand, mud, and rocks. I did miss the part where you say you consider 12.50 not really skinny or fat. I think 12.50 are more of a wider tire. When I think skinny I’m thinking 255/80 vs a wide is more of a 285/70
I think Mike left his roof rack KCs in the dryer too long
I don't know what this means
@@LastLineOfDefense the KCs on your roof rack look smaller than they used to.
The only thing driving the tires you run is which sponsor is paying you the most.
Guessing you missed very literally every point made in this video, haha
They probably didn't even watch the whole video, you know hater gunna hate
@@danielmasley4188 I definitely watched the entire advertisement/commercial