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Giacomo Gianniotti: A Call To Action For Men | The Man Enough Podcast
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ส.ค. 2024
- In this special episode, Grey’s Anatomy star Giacomo Gianniotti bravely shares his family’s experience with miscarriages and medical abortions, and how his grief has moved him to advocate for men to speak out in support of healthcare and human rights.
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GIACOMO GIANNIOTTI: A CALL TO ACTION FOR MEN
In this special episode, Grey’s Anatomy star Giacomo Gianniotti brings his vulnerability and grief to the urgent and important conversation about abortion and bodily autonomy. Opening up about his family’s experience with miscarriages and the medical intervention his wife, Nichole, needed, Giacomo encourages men to speak out and fight for equality proactively, without being prompted by women.
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00:00 Episode Starts
02:45 Introducing Giacomo Gianniotti
4:40 Giacomo’s Experience With Abortion
08:17 Abortion is Not Just A Women’s Issue
14:22 How Men Can Help Carry The Burden
18:01 Fertility Can Be Dangerous
20:00 Calling Abortions By Their Name
25:17 Having A Choice Is Important
29:26 Women’s Autonomy Is Not A Radical Request
35:50 How Do We Get Men To Speak Up
40:18 Host Reflection
HOSTS: Justin Baldoni, Liz Plank, and Jamey Heath
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Me crying at the beginning of Giacomo’s story, Liz’s response, and then Jamie’s apology to Liz at the end. As someone who works for a repro-rights group in the Deep South, this is all we are working for, and could ever hope for!
Thank you so much for this.
We've lost 3 babies back to back, the last of which was a missed miscarriage - it's not talked about enough. We all have the right to this kind of healthcare, regardless of the reason.
To hear it from the man's perspective was incredible. I'll send it to my husband.
If it's already dead it's not a fetuscide . And what men facing trauma from of their wives girl friends having fetusides
This is such a powerful episode that needs to be widely circulated. It’s so refreshing to listen to men discuss these issues and advocate for women.
What about men speak against fetuside from personal experiences losing a child or a simpling
Having to listen and watch this after what happened in this country last Friday, makes me as a man feel so scared for women and what they continue to go through! This is such a scary time for us as Americans and as a man I am so sorry for what the SC has done for women and the steps taken backwards! Thank you so much for this powerful conversation and Podcast!
You know it's legal for women to have their tubes tied plus it's fare more common for a man I. The street paying child support to endanger the health and life of the child then for child birth and pregnancy to endanger the life life or even health of the woman.
Plus what about men have their babies aborted wouldn't that cause trauma
I'm so sorry for your loss Giacomo. Thank you for bringing this to the table.
I have so much to say on this topic. I realise Giacomo called the missed miscarriages - "abortions", I think our society has more natural compassion for this kind of loss, we are all moved when we realise that the wider topic in the US right now is that something like this may not be available in the future. (I dont live in the US, I live in NZ and we recently made abortion legal) But to "choose" to have an abortion, is the larger topic. When a woman doesn't "want" a viable pregnancy, there is far more stigma and shame attached, we dont have natural compassion for her because she "chose" it. Because she can choose to not go through with it. She must have wanted it. And frivolously. Like what was said, I have never met a woman who had an abortion like it was no biggy.
But, why would a woman not want to go through with a pregnancy? One of the main reasons is about equality. Its about support as mothers. It's about wages. It's about the cost of childcare. Nothing about the division of the sexes is equal. And until it is, we will have the need for abortion.
A few stats, 1 in 4 women have an abortion in the US. 6 out of 10 women are mothers already. We do not support women to be mothers, mothers are way down the totem pole in the order of who matters in our money driven society.
And to end, I wanted to say something about what Jason said at the end about how men don't have anywhere to go to share their grief. I have to say that women don't either. Its a forbidden grief. So it gets buried, and comes out in other ways that we know about, addiction, trauma symptoms, depression. Women don't share freely with other women they had an abortion. There is a stigma just like there used to be with sexual abuse. And mental health.
The subject of (back-to-back missed) misscariages is tragic. I literally got emotional while watching this. Thank you so much for prividing and holding space for these crucial, unbelievably valuable topics. Watching your conversation provides so much healing for great numbers of people. Thank you so much.
If it's already dead it's not fetuside
Well thank you for this. I consider myself a pretty open minded feminist and yet I never took into account the father’s perspective in a miscarriage with as much attention as I should have. It’s the first time I listen to your podcast, I approached it purely out of curiosity having followed Baldoni and Gianniotti on tv shows, but I really felt like I discovered four very precious souls. I have so much respect for all of you.
Thank you so much for joining us and we're glad we were able to offer a new perspective. Check out some of our other episodes and stay tuned for much more ahead; we think you'll appreciate it.
Thank you for giving people a safe place to talk about hard things - this conversation is so needed!
I love your honesty, Jamey. It is so powerful that you will admit your feelings whether or not you think it will make you popular. It takes such courage. I would like to be more courageous in this way. Thank you
Thank you for your thoughts and support of Jamey. We encourage you to start speaking your truth in small ways. It doesn't have to be a grand gesture. Just find ways to express yourself honestly, in respectful ways, even if you're not agreeing with those around you. Your courage will build the more you do it and you'll probably find that more people agree, or are less certain, then they seem.
‘Don’t shame us , don’t go against us , don’t judge us and don’t block access to it’ these are words we need to here with anything lol
Agree!
Light givers! Yes you three are. Just watched this twice. In this vital topic, and Giacomo's deeply moving share, it is the safe space, the calm, centered "place" to be heard, be able to say one's ideas and feelings without being attacked. And therefore (the exciting moment for me) the illumined moments when something happens: the heart relaxes, the tears flow, the smiles and joy emerge, the energy springs forward, and new growth fills our planet.
I love this so much, I saw it on tiktok and I just had to come and watch the whole podcast. I am a Christian, and I love my religion, but I agree that abortion is a significant, necessary action for a woman being a young woman myself. I am not American, I am British. I believe that everyone worldwide needs to wake up and stand against this because if we allow one country to do this, we are opening the door to other corrupted and twisted governments and politics to use this as an excuse and examples to do the same. So thank you all very much.
Thank you so much for this episode! What a gem Giacomo is ❤️ I'm so sorry for his loss, and I appreciate his vulnerability in sharing this part of his and his wife's life. Thank you thank you Man Enough for all that you do and the conversations you spark.
This is so brave. This is so important. Thank you for using your platform to be not only an ally but a champion for women on this issue. I will share with my husband, as we also suffered 2 back to back missed miscarriages (& 2 medical abortions also) in 2020. We learned so much through our experience, 1 being that it’s the worst club you never wanted to be a member of, but it has the best members. Sending love to Giacomo & his wife.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience. Sending you love.
Thank you so much for this episode, this is what we all needed. I think that abortion is difficult for anyone no matter whether you are a parent, grandparent or sibling, and similar to what Giacomo said everyone gets deprived of meeting a future friend or relative.
OMG I am crying with Liz!!! This is just amazing, thank you!
Wow..Wow.....What a Man.!!! YOU THREE GUYS ARE AMAZING THAT YOU COULD HAVE SOMEONE LIKE Giocomo come back to share him and his wife's experience of "Abortion " with a larger community than their own through "Man Enough "...Liz you made us all cry today..❤Love you guys 🙏🙏❤❤
THANK YOU for this convo! I feel so happy to hear these conversations and I believe it is so needed but not said enough! I am amazed by how brave G is for sharing his and his wife’s story and I am so sorry for the loss.
This was such a great episode! Thank You all of You and guest for this! Was deep! And so important!
This is the first one of tour podcasts that i hear and i am so Happy did. It is so good to hear people speak openly without being interrupted every 3 seconds and hearing people debate without personnaly attacking each other.
Thank you! So glad you're here with us.
This was so powerful on SO many levels and I found myself crying at different parts of the conversation. Thank you to all of you.
Thank you so much for speaking about this! It feels so refreshing to finally hear!
Thissssss!!!! Is so clear and powerful. Thank you so much. In my work within the reproductive health community I've never heard anything so validating!
Everything discussed was extremely and certainly well said. Thank you.
Thank you🙏❤.This conversation was heartwrenching and so beautiful to see how the 4 of you are taking care of each other with so much love like in all the other conversations too. Men please open up more to other men❤. This podcast is a perfect example💖. Have recommended it to my boys and male friends.
Loved the vulnerability and honesty of this one
Probably the best episode I have seen on this channel
Thank you so much ❤
Thank you. So glad it resonated.
So inspiring and hopeful ❤️
Thank you for the call to men to tell their stories. I am not sure whether I am pro-choice or not, because I am a man who has been a party to two abortions over 25 years ago. I'm only now beginning to allow the feelings (sadness, grief, loss, anger, resentment, confusion) to surface and be felt. In my case, both times, the woman chose the course of action without any discussion with me. I obliged; funded, drove, supported. The real pain came in both circumstances from being discarded soon after. Abortion, when used a form of birth control, can break relationship because the man and the woman can never see eye to eye again.
I am learning from other parts of my story (sexual abuse in childhood) that I was not old enough or able to give consent. Where is the discussion on mutual consent in the topic of abortion? If two people consented to the act which caused the pregnancy... shouldn't both people need to consent to its termination?
In writing this, and attempting to be brief, I am trying to do what you call for in this video. Your viewers responses to me might be telling of why men don't talk about it. Will I be accepted as a human being with a valid perspective and experience, called courageous for sharing my story... or dismissed as "wrong" (belittled, criticized) in my thinking because at this time I don't agree with the pro-choice movement?
My grief and my view is real and valid.
Thank you for sharing this. It sounds like you're working on healing from the things that have happened to you, and I hope women are contributing to your healing and not preventing it!
You bring up an important point that this episode touched on - men are involved somehow in every abortion, and is there a place that allows women to have autonomy over our bodies and also allows men to have agency over your experiences?
I'm glad you're here to give us your perspective, especially since you have a personal experience with this, and because your feelings might be different from some of the other people who comment on these videos. It helps remind us that these things aren't as clear cut as they seem to be on social media or in politics these days and that women aren't the only ones impacted by abortions.
@@okayheykae thank you for your kindness. I echo what was said in the video and in another comment that it is vital to create a space for dialogue.
I’m here to learn.
Thank you for sharing your experience. It is not easy talking about times of grief, especially for topics like abortion and sexual abuse.
On the question of importance of having consent of both parties for abortion, I would like to pose the other side of the question. Do both parties consent to raising the child? If not, then whose choice would matter more? In my opinion, the choice of the one who has to go through the long period of pain while carrying the child and giving birth.
Idk if you get a choice in those two women's decision if that makes sense. Thank you for supporting them but you willing let your sperm go, (I'm assuming unprotected bc u didnt have a vasectomy). She didn't tell her egg to go get them. We don't get to force women into having our children. I don't think we get to force someone into gestation against their will. Consent can be given and taken away. I hate to say it but if you want a child you need a surrogate, where consent is given.
Unless their anti fetuside from personal experiences losing a child or simpling or even surviving fetuside attempt
Great episode and such an important topic to discuss more openly about
This episode spoke to my heart.
Thank you for this episode 💜
I appreciated this conversation so much! Sometimes I find it really difficult to articulate what was so beautifully said here. Thank you!
Thanks for sharing.
This was so great. I am speechless and I don't have that problem 👏👏👏👏
Thank you all, interesting podcast.
Wow wow such a powerful episode. So glad you talked about this topic that is such a triggering topic.
What an amazing episode! ❤️
Not easy, but so very well said!
Thank you....
This is an outstanding episode holy shit
I’m so sorry for Giacomo’s loss of his children through miscarriage. Losing a child is a pain no person should go through.
I am deeply troubled by how misleading this conversation is. There are no laws or bills that will outlaw treating a missed miscarriage. While the word “abortion” is the same medically, the treatment of a missed miscarriage by a D&C is not the same as intentionally terminating viable growing child which is what will be prosecuted. And NO laws being proposed with prosecute the woman.
What I most struggle with in this conversation is how Giacomo sees his wife’s miscarriages as a loss of life but when a woman choses to end the life of her child because it is not wanted. Why does someone’s personhood depend on their age, whether they are wanted, or if they have a disability? Because that is what pro lifers are fighting for. Not persecuting women for treating a miscarriage where a fetus has already died. The laws being proposed are all allowing exemptions for life of the mother, such as ectopic pregnancies.
Please look at the legislation and tell me where they are stopping women from getting treatment for miscarriages.
Also It is a little ironic because so many pro abortion women shut down men for speaking about abortion. “Men shouldn’t be making decisions about women’s bodies” and other such platitudes. But if a man is pro choice they applaud them about how amazing it is and how moving. I agree men should be part of the conversation, but so many times men are the ones pressuring women into abortions because they aren’t “man enough” to step up.
Again I understand the vulnerability of sharing his story, but I am really sad that people are using miscarriages to scare people into thinking they are going to be persecuted for something they had no control over.
It’s not misleading. In Texas there have been women who had the missed miscarriage but then turned in for it being a “forced abortion”. These women went to jail until it was proven otherwise. These stories are real
@@gabriellagrosso9883 please cite where you saw this. Under the current Texas law private citizens can sue doctors who perform abortions and possibly others who help procure an abortion for $10000 but they can’t sue the woman receiving the abortion nor would jail time be involved
Coming back to finish this after Roe v. Wade was overturned, unfortunately. I hope this message reaches a lot of people, thank you all for your bravery and vulnerability to have these conversations.
If it's already dead it's not fetuside abd women have the right to have their tubes tied
I love this honestly my husband went blank when we lost our son and I neded that comfort he still hasent talked about it and I wished he would just talk to me bc I really don’t get hs comfort 💔
I appreciate all the talks you guys have, and I sympathize with the hardships Giacomo and Nichole went through 😔.
I say the following with truly no intention of taking away the importance of what has been discussed.
I feel a little down after rethinking about some bits in this episode and reading some comments. I feel that in conveying abortion would be more accepted if people knew it included missed miscarriages - it belittles/puts down elective abortion.
I just wish everyone's ok with the idea of abortion no matter the reason. It is not in any way an easy task to get an abortion, but women still choose it because the alternative would be much harder for them personally. I wish everyone understood and respected that.
I'm a senior citizen now, but between baby 1 and baby 2, I had a missed miscarriage. I started to miscarriage, but my body didn't click in to totally miscarriage. I did need to go to the doctor and have a helpful miscarriage. I don't think people realize that Hormones click in when women get pregnant and those hormones go naturally along till the baby is born. But having a miscarriage changes those hormones so immediately and it's really difficult to deal with that loss of a baby as well as the hormones that come to a fast halt. I was glad I had that choice and it really bothers me and it's so sad for me that women are so targeted to be
controlled by men who refuse to grow and think of other along with their own feelings.
Thank you for sharing your experience.
Thankfully states will make and are making exceptions for abortions. Every state I have looked at that are making abortions "illegal" will still do the procedure if it is medically necessary. I think people are forgetting this part of it.
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i want them for scotus instead
In response to jamey's poiunt, in order to do the work as it relates to women's issues, you have to use the proper terminology and definitions to build your argument and make it clear what the issues are. Words are very powerful and we must not attempt to beat around the bush to protect those who may be uncomfortable or unsure of what language they should use. Define abortion as it is, which is not primarily for birth control purposes. Nonetheless, special thanks to Giacomo for telling the story of his family so bravely, and Liz for finally hearing the support that she and others like her needed.
Hello-thank you for your post. I am here to learn, change, and grow.
In your comment you state that abortion is not primarily for birth control. Would you be willing to explain why you believe that to be true?
Hi, thanks for having this conversation. I have the inverse question. Why do you think abortion being primarily for birth control? I never thought about it like that. I think that legal save abortion (specially with social health system) are for not letting harder and biggest problems that illegal abortions bring to come true.
But wait this is like the season finale?
I think it was going to be a part of the season finale, but it was so powerful, they chose to make it its own episode.
@@ronsparkman4913 wow thanks!!!🙏🏽✨
If you don't wabt be your wife don't beat them.
Isn't it crazy we lost this right today.
My age group gained rights
I think Justin is secretly gay
The cases were abortions are not allowed when a woman's life is on the table are due to incompetence of doctors, their standart is always saving the woman's life when in risk. This does not make abortions right when most cases the woman's life is not in danger and a baby is killed and some survive that process damaged, those babies suffer and their birth doctor is the abortionist who stands for their rights? Besides that, men suffer from loss of their children and them speaking up is good, you're more than allowed to be sad about lost kids without allowing mass murder for women who are in no danger at all.
It's fare more common for a man on the street paying child support to endanger the health and life of the child then for child birth and pregnancy to endanger the life or health of the woman. And have to give for adoption men don't have a choice.
And women have the right to have tube's ties a much closer comparison to Vasectomies
Easy to see why ain’t no ring on her finger
Human rights begin at the beginning of life. Our life begins when we are inside the womb. End of story.
Save DNA and it's not murder
Can I just say a couple of things?
1. Can you really talk about Giacomo's case as an "abortion" in the sense of "getting an abortion" because the truth is (if I understood correctly) that the child died inside the mother and had to be removed by a surgeon because it did not happen naturally. He did not have to kill the child and then remove it.
2. I might not get this because in Europe the social security and public health care system covers 90% of all the citizens' health needs with everyone's taxes but when they say "why are they putting obstacles for those who want/need to do it?" Well... it's going to be payed with my money. Some people might not be confortable with the idea of their money being spent in this and it is respectable. I agree with the fact that everyone should take the decission that they see fit but during the whole talk I have the feeling that Liz is being extremely judgamental and condescending with people who have a moral dilemma with it, like when Jamie expresses his concerns. These podcasts are meant to create a safe space for men to express themselves and not for her to jump out of her socks when a slighty different opinion that does not go in line with hers arises. If someone would tell me what the current legislation in the US is that would be helpful. In Spain we have free abortion during the first trimestre provided by the social security but no doctor can be forced to do it if they are against it. The previous law established legal abortion in 3 cases: rape, malformation/disability/sickness of the child and danger (physical or mental) for the mother. From the conversation I'm hearing it all seems very black or white over there.
3. Again, when Liz says "you have to manisfest against violence against black people and put "Black lives matter" on your social media." How many terrible things are happening in the world right now? Are we supposed to post about famine, ébola, child forced marriage, domestic violence, child pornography, the prosecution of the uigurs in China, the war against Ukraine, Taiwan, Tibet, human trafficking etc on our social media to prove to people like you that we have a heart and that we think it is terrible. Stop judging people so much.
4. Although I agree with what they are saying in the most part, I can't help to cringe a bit at what I perceive as some sort of moral superiority when they talk about how people who don't subscribe their every word are ignorant or lack education. I'm sorry but you are not in posession of the truth.
Some thoughts:
In the point 2 you said that some people might not be comfortable with the idea of financial abortion with their taxes BUT why anyone is complaining about people getting treatment about some lungs problems because their smoke addition for example. If we take care of people we should take care of everyone.
And in the point 4 in reality make sense that they speak about education because the mayority of people ignore what an abortion really is, what types are, how the doctors do it and the most interesting part is that are many scientific studies about how abortion is good for the economy because the cost of the consequences of illegal abortion, abortion that were needed, phycological consequences in some cases.... Are more expensive than having a good legal abortion system.