@@dmmmwerd Yep got a 2017 Volt premier with 32K km on it for less than 16k USD in 2019, then the pandemic/east coast gas crisis hit and you couldn't touch a similar one below 25K USD. Knock on wood it's still going strong at over 110k km and >95% battery capacity. (For you PHEV haters, no worries I plug it in daily at work and home, and the range extender is barely broken in)
Alex, I just bought a 2wd 23' Prius Limited, through out the shopping process your reviews have been helpful and entertaining. I did not wait for the Prime because I feared Toyota would produce very few plug ins like they did with the Rav4 plug in and I'm impatient. Thanks for great content! I sold my 99' Porsche 996 and 16' Volt and bought the Prius, I really like owning all kinds of cars and the new Prius was too hard to pass up. Im not babying the car , using it for equipment repair work and dense city driving all day!
GM had the right idea, but did a poor job explaining the benefit. Until I realized that 40 miles daily = 14,000 miles annually petrol-free, it didn't compute for me. Jay Leno talking about going 1,000+ miles per gallon commuting finally got my attention. The public is much more aware no of plug-ins (and also aware of the crappy non-Tesla public charging hassles).
Yep they can make way more of these for the same amount of battery resources and >90% of folks commutes will still be emissions free (as long as they can plug in at home or work).
There was one of these (well, maybe a regular Prius - not the Prime) in my neighborhood this morning, picking up one of my neighbors. For a practical car I don't actually love the small windows, though it's clearly sportier and more aerodynamic than previous versions.
Hello Alex, I wanted to thank you for another great review! I am a big fan, and bought my current car - RAV4 Prime - mainly after watching your video. There are a couple of things I would kindly ask to consider adding in though. When discussing cargo practicality, it is very important to be able to fold front passenger backrest flat, so that 8' Ikea furniture pack or a 2"x4"x8' lumber pack for an occasional reno project would fit in. My 2014 Prius could fold that backrest fully flat, and fit in a couch and close a hatch, but I cannot do this in a larger RAV4 Prime. I wonder how this new Prius does this? If the cargo sticks out, the open hatch buzzer cannot be turned off in the RAV4 Prime - a really annoying deficiency. If you put that cargo over the upright backrest, it sticks out right into the windshield, and blocks the right mirror view - quite unsafe. The second thing is the presence or absence of a rear passenger vent (located in the front row central console). Car reviews almost always overlook this or downplay its significance. If it is not there, long distance trips become a torcher for rear passengers in hot or cold weather. If you compensate by turning the AC too hard down or up, it becomes ok at the back, but too cold or too hot at the front. So for a family with a regular rear seat use in hot or cold climate, that rear vent is a real deal breaker. I hope these suggestions can help making great reviews even better!
As an owner of a Honda Clarity that can get over 50 miles of summer range with a similarly sized battery pack, I bet the Prius Prime will absolutely overperform the 44 mile range estimate.
the clarity is a 17kw battery, this prime is 13.6kw. so i wouldnt say its a similar size. What is more impressive is how much more efficient the prius is over the clarity even in the previous generation considering it is likely the prime can get 50miles on a smaller pack.
Great presentation, first time viewer. You answered lots of questions, but I have a few others not covered. For older people would you say seat would be to low, to make it difficult to get out, roof line low and difficult to enter. No mention of the lack of spare tire. Glad to hear your checking the sound level at various speeds, and please compare to other cars. We are on our 2nd Prius and possibly a third.
I currently own a gen 3 Prius and I gotta say I was impressed with this new generation prime model. As funny as it sounds, I dive mine fast so I was definitely more interested in this Prime version over the normal model. I look forwards to a full review of the Prime, I hope you could give some details as to the fuel economy at 80-ish mph since that is usually what I am driving at. I also think a plug-in hybrid is a better all around vehicle than a full EV.
With Toyota intentionally limiting supply on their most popular models in order to artificially inflate demand and transaction prices, you won't be able to get one any time soon. I tried to buy a Rav4 Prime for over a year, but no dealer would sell me one without an insulting markup, so I wound up buying a Subaru Outback. I even looked for a regular Rav4 hybrid XSE, but get one of those either. Toyota has lost me thanks to the greedy games they're playing.
I was looking into a new Prius and they were only getting a fully loaded one for $38k. I’ve been trying to buy a Lexus NX hybrid for over a year and they are in such low supply, it’s like winning the lottery for the privilege to hand over $48k for a compact SUV. I’m getting frustrated with Toyota. I’m definitely on the verge of just ordering a Tesla exactly the configuration I want and just waiting the 2-3 months to get it. If Toyota offered that, I would have bought a new one over a year ago. Instead I’m just dumping money into my 10 year old cars keeping them up waiting for Toyota to catch up but I’m starting to think they never will.
@@mylesgray3470 I think this is the new normal for Toyota. They want to keep demand high, so they can make more money on each vehicle sold. That way, they can make huge profits without having to chase more market share. It's a huge gamble on their part because customers could turn on them, just like I have.
I'm glad they added to the all electric range. 40ish miles is enough to get me through most days in all electric mode. Having it function like a regular car on out of town trips will make this car totally useable in West Texas and other places without much charging infrastructure.
There is plenty of charging infrastructure in West Texas for full EV's.. especially Tesla.. I-10 has been covered by Electrify America for CCS cars... but EA is in general not as reliable. I have been hearing about big markups on these Prius.. That would push me to a Tesla.. which has had its price drop especially on the used market. Reliability would be better on the Toyota... I got 423,000 out of my Prius, friend has 405K on a 13 Prius, and I know someone with a 2019 Prius Prime with 345K on it... cross country courier work. They are SUPER durable.. Just do your scheduled maint. For you needs the Prime would be perfect.
@@kens97sto171 you are correct that Tesla has it covered. I just wish the other networks would fill gaps. There are no non-Tesla DC fast chargers in Big Spring or Lubbock. I go there regularly with either my 2019 i3 Rex or my new Chevy Bolt. The trip would just be a lot easier if those some of those gaps were filled. In the interim, the new Prime seems ok.
I didn't know that the driver is supposed to monitor the instrument gauge. The speed limit where I drive is the car in front of you :) BTW will older drives have trouble seeing the readout because it is between short & long vision?
You do great reviews and inform a potential buyer of everything they need to know about a car before they buy. Keep up the good work and never, never forget to tell the truth about the strengths and weaknesses of the vehicles your profile. It is vital!
I own a Prius and a standard range Model 3. You can now buy a used lower mile Model 3 for low 30s. For the price you'll have a lot more fun in the model 3. I'm saving the Prius for my kids and it does make really long distance trip faster not having to charge but man of man is the M3 so much more fun to drive. If I had $32k to spend, I'd buy a used M3.
Just a year ago you needed to pay extra to buy a used Tesla vs a new one. That made zero sense. Oh, how times have changed. Now Tesla prices are getting quite attractive again but this Prius is beautiful, and very road trip-able. Decisions..
@@hunterrrdrives well that’s much more expensive and nowhere near as attractive outside or inside as the Prius although the Prius isn’t attractive inside with the bz4x steering wheel and gauge cluster
What about the ride quality? Is it more like my old Veloster Turbo (where you risked getting a concussion going over a pot hole) or my wife's cream puff Camry Hybrid?
I wonder how it would look if they made the cabin just 2-3 inches taller and/or make it more of a hatch/wagon. Seems like it's just a little short of allowing taller people to sit up straight and roller bags to fit vertically. They might even be able to make room for a rear motor!
Alex can you compare this to the 2017 Volt? In that vehicle the you can floor it and it will give you all of the EV HP/TQ. It's much more like a electric vehicle with a motor generator, that can also link up and blend if needed during a long mount climb on a completely depleted battery.
Been convinced I'd be getting a 2020 Prius Prime, but this video has been awesome and highlighted a lot of positives about this redesign. I love the infotainment screen- feels like we don't get one as big as that in any other Toyota model right now. That said, the lack of a split back is a bit spooky for me. Great video as always!
I really wish they would offer the smaller wheel size on the higher-trim models, so that you don’t have to take the hit on fuel economy. Personally, I don’t even find the larger wheels more visually attractive.
I absolutely agree. I figure I’ll try and trade my big wheels for the small wheels online. May take several months but I’m not a fan of big rims. Rough ride, expensive tires, and MPG drop is just too many compromises for the nice look.
Thanks. Many EV channels will not review the Prius for other plug-ins because they can still use gas. Thanks for not being one of those battery only elites.
Pretty disappointing that it only has a 3.3kw charger. The 4xe has a 7 and it makes a huge difference. The added benefit being that it can go 44 miles, so that is much nicer then the 22 with the 4xe. My 4xe can easily get those 40+ per day by charging. Give or take I guess.
Doesn’t really matter. Most people park it when they get home and plug it in. Charge overnight and then unplug in the morning when they leave for work. Sure you can get some charge when you’re shopping at the mall, but those stalls are always full these days.
@@GROGU123 It matters as there's a lot of free public J1772 chargers that could take 7kw and up. If this PP has an option for 6.6kw charger just like RAV4 Prime you would get more miles from free chargers sooner.
@@davidtsang1807The prius prime has a 13.6kwh battery. At 17cents per kwh, you save $2.30 if you were completely empty. Thats not worth my time if I were to go to the mall 2-3 times a month.
This is a great review and it's an exciting new version of the Prius Prime. I have the 2022 PP. There are a lot of places I drive where just a little more EV capacity would get me there and back on just electric power. I do like the look of this better than the previous generations. I also like the fact that it has higher ground clearance. From my perspective, the drawbacks on this version are the loss of cargo capacity and I also wish the infotainment unit had more physical buttons. I have said it before and I will say it again. Toyota needs to put out another Prius C "pregnant hatchback" to give us more cargo room. And if they add some physical buttons to the infotainment (like switching between listening modes, track skip, etc), I will be running to the dealership.
I guess there will never be another Purvis made that is like the Chevy Volt where the plug-in electric performance is just as good as with the gas engine. Sad. Was hoping this would be a much bigger, less compromised version of that
I don't think these will be marked up like last time. The reason why is that everybody and their grandma will be getting a Model 3 instead. This is a nice Prius but you could basically get a Model 3 base for the same price after the federal tax credit, if not cheaper.
17:20 - At least on my 2017 Prius Prime, Eco vs. Normal vs. Power modes are not _entirely_ just about throttle mapping. That’s definitely the main difference, yes, but there are also some more-subtle time-response differences. More specifically, I also find the Eco mode also throttles back a bit after you “step on it,” whereas, in Power mode, the acceleration “keeps on coming,” so to speak. Also, in Power mode, right at the moment you apply the pedal, it gives you a bit more of a “jerk,” whereas in Eco mode, it ever-so-slightly softens the application of power.
Superb review as always! Thanks. The “busy-forks”-like display does have an advantage over a HUD: HUD-capable windshield glass is very expensive, if you find that you have to replace it.
the dealership is adding a 5-8k mark up on the Prius. you have to wait 3 years for those marks up to disappear. With those prices, you can purchase a used ES300h or RAV4 PRIME (more space)
EV’s need to focus on better comfort on the interior. If I’m constantly waiting for a charge, I should be able to turn my seats into a bed or something more comfortable
18:34 - Oh wow: 3.1 miles/KWh? I’ve been seeing more like 4.5 long-term on my 2017, and close to 60MPG, at under 60MPH. However, MPG drops _rapidly_ above 65MPH: at 70-75MPH it’s more like 45MPG. Then again, I drive it very conservatively/efficiently.
Right now, in Southern California. Not available, unless you are willing to pay $40-44K. Just no inventory yet. Dealers are trying to gouge buyers with Market Adjustments up to $7000. Come on Toyota, you have a winner here, make it availble
According to my local Toyota dealer, the Prius Prime won't be available in all states. On the West Coast, CA and OR will receive them, but WA state will not. I've asked for more info about what states the car will be available in, and will reply if I hear back. This isn't something called out by any Toyota materials or review sites that I've seen, so I thought I'd mention it.
They did it. They finally made a beautiful (IMO) Prius. If I'm ever fortunate enough to have another car as a commuter daily (I have a Stinger 3.3TT), this would be it.
50 mpg? My 2017 Prius Prime over six years and 60K miles sports a running average of 97.0 mpg. How? I am retired and most of my trips are around town, but with a mix of longer trips since I live in a rural area. Lead-foot reviewers are underestimating the mpg of the Prius Prime. I also don't drive at 80 mph like most in California do. Our speed limit in NY is 65 mph interstate, 55 mph most state touring routes. I am usually at 58 mph on 55 mph roads, and 65 mph on 65 mph roads. I bought the Prius Prime to minimize my consumption of gasoline and I am doing just that. My previous car was a 2007 Prius. The Prime outclasses it by a wide margin. My grandson is still driving the 2007.
How does the XSE Premium make sense? MSRP with destination is approximately $4000 less than a base Model 3 with destination. Many Toyota dealers will mark the up more than $4000 making it more expensive than the Tesla from the start. The Model 3 is also eligible for a $7500 federal tax rebate and is never marked up over MSRP. The Tesla Supercharger network will make needing the gasoline engine backup not needed for road trips for the majority of car buyers. I don’t see how the XSE Premium makes any financial sense. After dealer markups, even the lower trims may also not make sense. The only way this makes sense is if you can find a Toyota dealer selling them at MSRP *AND* the Prius Prime is also eligible for a significant federal tax rebate that will make the net cost significantly less than a Model 3 after its tax credit.
@@EVBuyersGuide They are only shipping 10,000 Primes to the US for 2023. That’s less that 10 per year for each Toyota dealership in the US. Dealers WILL add markups.
I wonder how that over-the-wheel display is for people with presbyopia and who wear progressive glasses. Will that display be in the medium vision zone or in the distance zone meaning I'd have to tip my head back to get it in the right focus zone.
It will be in the mid zone which is the narrowest part of vision on progressives. Would rather have a normal dash. Then, if you sit far enough away, you can use the wide part of the distance portion. This is why I prefer to drive with single vision lenses. Similar problem arises with the new camera rear view mirrors.
They need to reduce the cost of this by 5K , then they will sell these as many as they can produce. I won't be surprised if they sell a million of these per year if only they priced it 5k less than now.
Good luck when you find out the value doesn’t go down😂 Trust me i had the same strategy. Save yourself from wasting time waiting to go down because it won’t go down below 5k
@@that1guy524 2021 and 2022 Primes went down by 12% after the first year and used car market is down for this quarter. I think maybe 10% is a realistic discount
That's the thing I hate the most about my Sorrento hybrid is the six speed Auto shifting . It interrupts my outerwear serene drive to work . I miss the effortless power to go I had with a cut in normal driving that I do 95% of rd time .
So this is where the Review is?!?! Come on Alex should be on the main channel....oh well glad the algorithm got this to me.....was all the rest, now time for the BEST!
It’s made in Japan, so it won’t qualify for the tax credit. Also, the new 8-speed wet clutch tranny in the PHEV and inline-6 models seems to be not ready for prime time yet at low speeds/congested traffic situations according to some reviewers online.
Two things I don't like about this vehicle 1. Having to look over the steering wheel to see the instrument panel. 2. The viewing screen makes it hard to clean the dash.
Oof, that electric mode 0-60 time is rough. I wasn't expecting 6.6s, but 10+ seconds is significantly slower. This would be an instant buy to replace our ancient Prius if it performed identically in electric or hybrid mode, but alas. Only the Clarity, 2nd gen Volt, and i3 REx do that; and remain the only good plug-in hybrids ever made (imo).
Second row headroom is actually 36.4 inches, not 37.2 as shown in the video. It's way smaller all the cars on that list (even the corolla). Data directly from Toyota website.
Niro owner here.... Toyota, you have my attention again. If this can qualify for the refund AND i can find one at MSRP or less, Ill be in for a top trim model.
With the power and economy as well as the relatively low MSRP if they actually made this available with AWD I think I could over look some of the things I dislike such as the lack of a rear wiper.
I took my rear wiper off of my 3rd gen years ago for a more sleek look and better aero. I rarely ever used it Andy way. I think it’s good to just delete it personally. Just need to clean the rear window manually every once in a while.
Hybrid are arguably more eco friendly than EV’s all things considered. Eventually that will change but I think currently there is a massive need for more hybrids while we transition.
While the new Prius is definitely more attractive than expected, the numbers are just a little better than the Volt was doing in its second generation. Nothing mind-blowing.
As a Prius owner I am so dissapointed for Toyota's product line regarding MPG and Range for its latest Hybrids and Plugins. It's 2023... my 2013 Prius with 90k miles still gets 50 MPG. As for the range, check the specs on the original Volt..I love my Prius but for this new one, beyond the looks, I do not see much progress.
It’s because we’ve reached the limits of efficiency a traditional piston engine without completely ignoring tailpipe emissions (like diesels or the very efficient cars of the 80s did). Better efficiency from an ICE requires a completely different concept than what we are doing now but nobody seems willing to do it.
I mean these newer cars are much heavier, safer, than older cars, your 2013 may get 50mpg, but these newer hybrids have to be faster and safer while getting that same or even better mpg, plus Toyota always underestimates their mpg figures, there are people in RAV4’s getting 10mpg more than the EPA
@@alwaysiyi272 my 2018 CT6 2.0E plug-in sees in the 40's and at times 50's on 13.3kw usaeble. The 2.0T kicks in and it's 40 mpg at highway speeds in a +4,500 lbs boat!
@@normt430 that is pretty damn good, I never knew those were that efficient but your comment proves my point, newer cars are heavier, safer and more luxurious while having the same or in most cases better mpg than the previous gen hybrids
I fail to see the point of any hybrids as most diesels can at least match their fuel economy with less Co2 emissions. I'm driving my 5th full electric over 14 years & have never suffered from range anxiety, I even pull trailers with my EV & do 500 mile journeys!
Modern diesels emissions systems are as fragile as flowers and are a huge pain in the ass and the wallet when they start to fail. Also with a hybrid, you dont have to listen to diesel clatter all the time and deal with pokey acceleration.
The markups on this will be legendary.
I'm glad I bought a car/phev before all this unavailability and markup nonsense started.
No goverment subsidy can negate the markup pain.
Worst feature of the IRA, dealers feel free to charge literally anything on these.
@@dmmmwerd Yep got a 2017 Volt premier with 32K km on it for less than 16k USD in 2019, then the pandemic/east coast gas crisis hit and you couldn't touch a similar one below 25K USD. Knock on wood it's still going strong at over 110k km and >95% battery capacity. (For you PHEV haters, no worries I plug it in daily at work and home, and the range extender is barely broken in)
Imagine being someone who pays a markup on a Prius
Alex's voice is one of the best in this industry.
I am very much impressed with consistently high quality of reviews Alex puts out.
Hey alex, how many videos are we dropping today?
Alex: Yes.
Alex,
I just bought a 2wd 23' Prius Limited, through out the shopping process your reviews have been helpful and entertaining. I did not wait for the Prime because I feared Toyota would produce very few plug ins like they did with the Rav4 plug in and I'm impatient. Thanks for great content! I sold my 99' Porsche 996 and 16' Volt and bought the Prius, I really like owning all kinds of cars and the new Prius was too hard to pass up. Im not babying the car , using it for equipment repair work and dense city driving all day!
How is it?! What kind of mpg have you been getting?
How are the cooled seats?
How do you like the new Prius and how’s the mpg?
It’s not quite the same but it’s a lot like the volt has been revived again and that makes me very happy :)
You beat me to it, awesome 2016 Volt Toyota!
Just a decade or so late.
@@normt430 yup! toyota could've made a great EV with this, but squandered that opportunity
Kinda has the same profile as the first gen volt too
GM had the right idea, but did a poor job explaining the benefit.
Until I realized that 40 miles daily = 14,000 miles annually petrol-free, it didn't compute for me.
Jay Leno talking about going 1,000+ miles per gallon commuting finally got my attention.
The public is much more aware no of plug-ins (and also aware of the crappy non-Tesla public charging hassles).
I would love this as my daily.
Toyota should just pause production of the bz
4x and give us more prius prime and rav 4 primes
Yep they can make way more of these for the same amount of battery resources and >90% of folks commutes will still be emissions free (as long as they can plug in at home or work).
Yep, just throw out the crappy bZ4x 😅
@@anydaynow01
👍 Yes. This concept is lost on too many, unfortunately.
Question is how many will Toyota actually make? And what's the mark up?
A measly 15k units. Makes it not worth reviewing.
There was one of these (well, maybe a regular Prius - not the Prime) in my neighborhood this morning, picking up one of my neighbors. For a practical car I don't actually love the small windows, though it's clearly sportier and more aerodynamic than previous versions.
Great car. Too bad Hyundai discontinued the Ioniq Plug-in Hybrid, now the Prius has absolutely no competition in the high-efficiency PHEV space.
Hello Alex,
I wanted to thank you for another great review! I am a big fan, and bought my current car - RAV4 Prime - mainly after watching your video. There are a couple of things I would kindly ask to consider adding in though.
When discussing cargo practicality, it is very important to be able to fold front passenger backrest flat, so that 8' Ikea furniture pack or a 2"x4"x8' lumber pack for an occasional reno project would fit in. My 2014 Prius could fold that backrest fully flat, and fit in a couch and close a hatch, but I cannot do this in a larger RAV4 Prime. I wonder how this new Prius does this? If the cargo sticks out, the open hatch buzzer cannot be turned off in the RAV4 Prime - a really annoying deficiency. If you put that cargo over the upright backrest, it sticks out right into the windshield, and blocks the right mirror view - quite unsafe.
The second thing is the presence or absence of a rear passenger vent (located in the front row central console). Car reviews almost always overlook this or downplay its significance. If it is not there, long distance trips become a torcher for rear passengers in hot or cold weather. If you compensate by turning the AC too hard down or up, it becomes ok at the back, but too cold or too hot at the front. So for a family with a regular rear seat use in hot or cold climate, that rear vent is a real deal breaker.
I hope these suggestions can help making great reviews even better!
We have had ours for a week, this certainly gets interest from the driveway to the road. We paid MSRP.
As an owner of a Honda Clarity that can get over 50 miles of summer range with a similarly sized battery pack, I bet the Prius Prime will absolutely overperform the 44 mile range estimate.
the clarity is a 17kw battery, this prime is 13.6kw. so i wouldnt say its a similar size. What is more impressive is how much more efficient the prius is over the clarity even in the previous generation considering it is likely the prime can get 50miles on a smaller pack.
@@hollypark2752 the Clarity only has about 13 kilowatts usable as the rest is held for hybrid mode use.
@@Ryanstuff Yep same with the gen 2 Volt, they have about ~14 kw, the remaining 4 kw is a buffer for battery life / HEV mode.
@@Ryanstuff Yup! Love that buffer.
@@Ryanstuff yea, but that doesnt make it similar. the prime is estimated at ~10kw usable. so the primes battery is just smaller.
Great presentation, first time viewer. You answered lots of questions, but I have a few others not covered. For older people would you say seat would be to low, to make it difficult to get out, roof line low and difficult to enter. No mention of the lack of spare tire. Glad to hear your checking the sound level at various speeds, and please compare to other cars. We are on our 2nd Prius and possibly a third.
I currently own a gen 3 Prius and I gotta say I was impressed with this new generation prime model. As funny as it sounds, I dive mine fast so I was definitely more interested in this Prime version over the normal model. I look forwards to a full review of the Prime, I hope you could give some details as to the fuel economy at 80-ish mph since that is usually what I am driving at.
I also think a plug-in hybrid is a better all around vehicle than a full EV.
This is the first time I've heard you call it the "busy forks" and I literally LOL'd. I will forever be calling it that from now on 😂
what does that mean? i dont unduhstand xD
With Toyota intentionally limiting supply on their most popular models in order to artificially inflate demand and transaction prices, you won't be able to get one any time soon. I tried to buy a Rav4 Prime for over a year, but no dealer would sell me one without an insulting markup, so I wound up buying a Subaru Outback. I even looked for a regular Rav4 hybrid XSE, but get one of those either. Toyota has lost me thanks to the greedy games they're playing.
I was looking into a new Prius and they were only getting a fully loaded one for $38k. I’ve been trying to buy a Lexus NX hybrid for over a year and they are in such low supply, it’s like winning the lottery for the privilege to hand over $48k for a compact SUV. I’m getting frustrated with Toyota. I’m definitely on the verge of just ordering a Tesla exactly the configuration I want and just waiting the 2-3 months to get it. If Toyota offered that, I would have bought a new one over a year ago. Instead I’m just dumping money into my 10 year old cars keeping them up waiting for Toyota to catch up but I’m starting to think they never will.
@@mylesgray3470 I think this is the new normal for Toyota. They want to keep demand high, so they can make more money on each vehicle sold. That way, they can make huge profits without having to chase more market share. It's a huge gamble on their part because customers could turn on them, just like I have.
I'm glad they added to the all electric range. 40ish miles is enough to get me through most days in all electric mode. Having it function like a regular car on out of town trips will make this car totally useable in West Texas and other places without much charging infrastructure.
There is plenty of charging infrastructure in West Texas for full EV's.. especially Tesla.. I-10 has been covered by Electrify America for CCS cars... but EA is in general not as reliable.
I have been hearing about big markups on these Prius.. That would push me to a Tesla.. which has had its price drop especially on the used market.
Reliability would be better on the Toyota... I got 423,000 out of my Prius, friend has 405K on a 13 Prius, and I know someone with a 2019 Prius Prime with 345K on it... cross country courier work. They are SUPER durable.. Just do your scheduled maint.
For you needs the Prime would be perfect.
Would have loved to see it go towards 60miles/100km.
@@Hans-gb4mv That would be good. We had an i3 with a REX that had about 60 miles range. It always had enough for my daily running around town.
@@kens97sto171 you are correct that Tesla has it covered. I just wish the other networks would fill gaps. There are no non-Tesla DC fast chargers in Big Spring or Lubbock. I go there regularly with either my 2019 i3 Rex or my new Chevy Bolt. The trip would just be a lot easier if those some of those gaps were filled. In the interim, the new Prime seems ok.
@@kens97sto171 If Tesla opens up to cars with CCS, then the problem is solved.
The rake of the front windshield is about the polar opposite of the lack of front windshield rake on my Jeep Wrangler! lol
I wanted to thank you for another great review!!!
Thank you for watching! -Travis
I didn't know that the driver is supposed to monitor the instrument gauge. The speed limit where I drive is the car in front of you :) BTW will older drives have trouble seeing the readout because it is between short & long vision?
those wheels are . . . . . . . . . interesting.
. . . and I like the old blue badges to indicate electrified, whether hybrid or electric.
Which would be better in your opinion? This or a used Tesla Model 3 LR example a 2019 with around 45k miles?
You do great reviews and inform a potential buyer of everything they need to know about a car before they buy. Keep up the good work and never, never forget to tell the truth about the strengths and weaknesses of the vehicles your profile. It is vital!
How much would you purchase this car for at the markup price like this?
I own a Prius and a standard range Model 3. You can now buy a used lower mile Model 3 for low 30s. For the price you'll have a lot more fun in the model 3. I'm saving the Prius for my kids and it does make really long distance trip faster not having to charge but man of man is the M3 so much more fun to drive. If I had $32k to spend, I'd buy a used M3.
Just a year ago you needed to pay extra to buy a used Tesla vs a new one. That made zero sense. Oh, how times have changed. Now Tesla prices are getting quite attractive again but this Prius is beautiful, and very road trip-able. Decisions..
Alex, I hope this outstanding Prime powertrain finds its way into a truly practical Toyota vehicle sooner rather than later.
Like the Sienna? Curious what your definition of truly practical is.
@@emoney1231 I think he meant more headroom and legroom
@@emoney1231 The 2022 Prius comes to mind 😉
@@rightlanehog3151 you mean 2010 Chevy Volt?
@@hunterrrdrives well that’s much more expensive and nowhere near as attractive outside or inside as the Prius although the Prius isn’t attractive inside with the bz4x steering wheel and gauge cluster
What about the ride quality? Is it more like my old Veloster Turbo (where you risked getting a concussion going over a pot hole) or my wife's cream puff Camry Hybrid?
I wonder how it would look if they made the cabin just 2-3 inches taller and/or make it more of a hatch/wagon. Seems like it's just a little short of allowing taller people to sit up straight and roller bags to fit vertically. They might even be able to make room for a rear motor!
No problem for me!(6 ft)
8:56 - "Waterfalls" on the Carplay unit was a nice throwback
New Prius is a homerun! 💯
From a 2010 Chevy Volt era...
@@normt430 kaizen 🤡
@@AngelValdovinos Volt 2.0. Just won't go +50 epa.
@@normt430 of course it wont
@@AngelValdovinos so much for the hybrid leader!
Alex can you compare this to the 2017 Volt? In that vehicle the you can floor it and it will give you all of the EV HP/TQ. It's much more like a electric vehicle with a motor generator, that can also link up and blend if needed during a long mount climb on a completely depleted battery.
so overall interior space; does it compare to the Corolla?
Between the Corolla and the Camry. -Travis
Been convinced I'd be getting a 2020 Prius Prime, but this video has been awesome and highlighted a lot of positives about this redesign. I love the infotainment screen- feels like we don't get one as big as that in any other Toyota model right now. That said, the lack of a split back is a bit spooky for me. Great video as always!
I really wish they would offer the smaller wheel size on the higher-trim models, so that you don’t have to take the hit on fuel economy. Personally, I don’t even find the larger wheels more visually attractive.
I absolutely agree. I figure I’ll try and trade my big wheels for the small wheels online. May take several months but I’m not a fan of big rims. Rough ride, expensive tires, and MPG drop is just too many compromises for the nice look.
Agreed…they put an unfortunate and unnecessary blemish on the front bumper. When did installing mounting brackets become so difficult?
Thanks.
Many EV channels will not review the Prius for other plug-ins because they can still use gas.
Thanks for not being one of those battery only elites.
Pretty disappointing that it only has a 3.3kw charger. The 4xe has a 7 and it makes a huge difference. The added benefit being that it can go 44 miles, so that is much nicer then the 22 with the 4xe. My 4xe can easily get those 40+ per day by charging. Give or take I guess.
Doesn’t really matter. Most people park it when they get home and plug it in. Charge overnight and then unplug in the morning when they leave for work. Sure you can get some charge when you’re shopping at the mall, but those stalls are always full these days.
@@GROGU123 True. I don't commute to work. So mine are all from just driving around town and stopping in when I get back home.
@@GROGU123 It matters as there's a lot of free public J1772 chargers that could take 7kw and up. If this PP has an option for 6.6kw charger just like RAV4 Prime you would get more miles from free chargers sooner.
@@davidtsang1807The prius prime has a 13.6kwh battery. At 17cents per kwh, you save $2.30 if you were completely empty. Thats not worth my time if I were to go to the mall 2-3 times a month.
This is a great review and it's an exciting new version of the Prius Prime. I have the 2022 PP. There are a lot of places I drive where just a little more EV capacity would get me there and back on just electric power. I do like the look of this better than the previous generations. I also like the fact that it has higher ground clearance. From my perspective, the drawbacks on this version are the loss of cargo capacity and I also wish the infotainment unit had more physical buttons. I have said it before and I will say it again. Toyota needs to put out another Prius C "pregnant hatchback" to give us more cargo room. And if they add some physical buttons to the infotainment (like switching between listening modes, track skip, etc), I will be running to the dealership.
Critics really like the new look. But I personally enjoy looking like an eccentric person in my 2014 Prius
I guess there will never be another Purvis made that is like the Chevy Volt where the plug-in electric performance is just as good as with the gas engine. Sad. Was hoping this would be a much bigger, less compromised version of that
@1:06 you mean ioniq right? ioniq 5 is significantly larger.
I don't think these will be marked up like last time. The reason why is that everybody and their grandma will be getting a Model 3 instead. This is a nice Prius but you could basically get a Model 3 base for the same price after the federal tax credit, if not cheaper.
17:20 - At least on my 2017 Prius Prime, Eco vs. Normal vs. Power modes are not _entirely_ just about throttle mapping. That’s definitely the main difference, yes, but there are also some more-subtle time-response differences.
More specifically, I also find the Eco mode also throttles back a bit after you “step on it,” whereas, in Power mode, the acceleration “keeps on coming,” so to speak.
Also, in Power mode, right at the moment you apply the pedal, it gives you a bit more of a “jerk,” whereas in Eco mode, it ever-so-slightly softens the application of power.
Superb review as always! Thanks.
The “busy-forks”-like display does have an advantage over a HUD: HUD-capable windshield glass is very expensive, if you find that you have to replace it.
the dealership is adding a 5-8k mark up on the Prius. you have to wait 3 years for those marks up to disappear. With those prices, you can purchase a used ES300h or RAV4 PRIME (more space)
Nah, the twelve RAV4 Primes they’ll make this year will all get $15k markup.
What is the projected lifespan of the solar roof and how much does its efficiency drop over that time?
It’s a vanity item. Price/efficiency isn’t there.
EV’s need to focus on better comfort on the interior. If I’m constantly waiting for a charge, I should be able to turn my seats into a bed or something more comfortable
Car of the Year 2023.
No markups now too! 😊
It seems to be a top PHEV Toyota Prius 👌🏻
Congrats for the video Alex! 👏🏻
Bertrand from France 🇫🇷
18:34 - Oh wow: 3.1 miles/KWh? I’ve been seeing more like 4.5 long-term on my 2017, and close to 60MPG, at under 60MPH. However, MPG drops _rapidly_ above 65MPH: at 70-75MPH it’s more like 45MPG.
Then again, I drive it very conservatively/efficiently.
Awesome review Alex.
Looking forward to the detailed FULL review later (i.e., numbers, ratings, etc.).
Was this video done in San Marcos CA?
Right now, in Southern California. Not available, unless you are willing to pay $40-44K. Just no inventory yet. Dealers are trying to gouge buyers with Market Adjustments up to $7000. Come on Toyota, you have a winner here, make it availble
According to my local Toyota dealer, the Prius Prime won't be available in all states. On the West Coast, CA and OR will receive them, but WA state will not. I've asked for more info about what states the car will be available in, and will reply if I hear back. This isn't something called out by any Toyota materials or review sites that I've seen, so I thought I'd mention it.
They did it. They finally made a beautiful (IMO) Prius. If I'm ever fortunate enough to have another car as a commuter daily (I have a Stinger 3.3TT), this would be it.
I was considering this . Went to Toyotas site , and if you want to buy one with excellent credit , Toyota financing is 9.5% apr. I’ll pass
50 mpg? My 2017 Prius Prime over six years and 60K miles sports a running average of 97.0 mpg. How? I am retired and most of my trips are around town, but with a mix of longer trips since I live in a rural area. Lead-foot reviewers are underestimating the mpg of the Prius Prime. I also don't drive at 80 mph like most in California do. Our speed limit in NY is 65 mph interstate, 55 mph most state touring routes. I am usually at 58 mph on 55 mph roads, and 65 mph on 65 mph roads. I bought the Prius Prime to minimize my consumption of gasoline and I am doing just that. My previous car was a 2007 Prius. The Prime outclasses it by a wide margin. My grandson is still driving the 2007.
How does the XSE Premium make sense?
MSRP with destination is approximately $4000 less than a base Model 3 with destination.
Many Toyota dealers will mark the up more than $4000 making it more expensive than the Tesla from the start.
The Model 3 is also eligible for a $7500 federal tax rebate and is never marked up over MSRP.
The Tesla Supercharger network will make needing the gasoline engine backup not needed for road trips for the majority of car buyers.
I don’t see how the XSE Premium makes any financial sense. After dealer markups, even the lower trims may also not make sense.
The only way this makes sense is if you can find a Toyota dealer selling them at MSRP *AND* the Prius Prime is also eligible for a significant federal tax rebate that will make the net cost significantly less than a Model 3 after its tax credit.
There don’t seem to be markups on the Prius at the moment.
@@EVBuyersGuide They are only shipping 10,000 Primes to the US for 2023. That’s less that 10 per year for each Toyota dealership in the US.
Dealers WILL add markups.
I wonder how that over-the-wheel display is for people with presbyopia and who wear progressive glasses. Will that display be in the medium vision zone or in the distance zone meaning I'd have to tip my head back to get it in the right focus zone.
I don't understand why Toyota had to reinvent the gauge cluster here. Easily the worst part of this otherwise good vehicle
It will be in the mid zone which is the narrowest part of vision on progressives. Would rather have a normal dash. Then, if you sit far enough away, you can use the wide part of the distance portion. This is why I prefer to drive with single vision lenses. Similar problem arises with the new camera rear view mirrors.
Love that Alex gets right to the point
They need to reduce the cost of this by 5K , then they will sell these as many as they can produce.
I won't be surprised if they sell a million of these per year if only they priced it 5k less than now.
Since no ev tax credit no thanks. Ill wait until the 2023 ones preowned becomes available.
Good luck when you find out the value doesn’t go down😂 Trust me i had the same strategy. Save yourself from wasting time waiting to go down because it won’t go down below 5k
@@that1guy524 2021 and 2022 Primes went down by 12% after the first year and used car market is down for this quarter. I think maybe 10% is a realistic discount
too bad Toyota is only going to build like 5 units and sell them with a million$ mark-up
Isn't the combined legroom for the new Prius and Prime 78, not 76.6?
Finally a worthy successor to the Volt.
OMG that has to be the best screen implementation ever in a car for Android auto/Apple CarPlay 🤩
great review thanks brother
I'm in shock! I've owned three Civic Si's and am currently cowering behind my couch in the living room!🫣
Thanks Alex, I assume you are going to do a more indepth review with real word MPG etc.
come on Alex! in-depth review?
That's the thing I hate the most about my Sorrento hybrid is the six speed Auto shifting . It interrupts my outerwear serene drive to work . I miss the effortless power to go I had with a cut in normal driving that I do 95% of rd time .
I wonder if Toyota will limit allocation as badly as Rav-4 Prime.
Let’s hope not. The old Prius Prime was very easy to buy. The Rav is nearly impossible.
So this is where the Review is?!?! Come on Alex should be on the main channel....oh well glad the algorithm got this to me.....was all the rest, now time for the BEST!
A new MR2 using this powertrain would be very cool
Add the wait list length to the car stats in addition to the price.
2023 Sienna with $15000 markup in CA. not hard to see it will break $20K markup. We need Prime for every model of TOYOTA .
Any real 0-60 times in EV mode? 11-12 seconds seems pretty slow🤔
I want to know about the generator feature.
OTD price after financing: $80k+
I will definitely buy cx90 Phev if it gets tax credit.
It’s made in Japan, so it won’t qualify for the tax credit. Also, the new 8-speed wet clutch tranny in the PHEV and inline-6 models seems to be not ready for prime time yet at low speeds/congested traffic situations according to some reviewers online.
Yes, I know Alex mentioned it potentially might qualify for a partial tax credit, but as of April 5, details are unclear.
The only shame is no high speed charging.
PHEVs really don’t need it
Two things I don't like about this vehicle 1. Having to look over the steering wheel to see the instrument panel. 2. The viewing screen makes it hard to clean the dash.
I keep my 2016 Chevy Volt Premier 53 mile range compared to this 42. I drive 99% electric so gas hardly used.
Oof, that electric mode 0-60 time is rough. I wasn't expecting 6.6s, but 10+ seconds is significantly slower. This would be an instant buy to replace our ancient Prius if it performed identically in electric or hybrid mode, but alas. Only the Clarity, 2nd gen Volt, and i3 REx do that; and remain the only good plug-in hybrids ever made (imo).
Second row headroom is actually 36.4 inches, not 37.2 as shown in the video. It's way smaller all the cars on that list (even the corolla). Data directly from Toyota website.
It even has less headroom than a Camry
who cares about rear passengers?!
@@danc1662 Uber drivers.
Is it the 2023 Prius Prime or the 2024 Prius Prime? The video title and video description disagree.
Niro owner here.... Toyota, you have my attention again. If this can qualify for the refund AND i can find one at MSRP or less, Ill be in for a top trim model.
I think it might feel more comfortable, to the eye, if the bottom edge of the HUD mimicked the arc of the top of the steering wheel.
With the power and economy as well as the relatively low MSRP if they actually made this available with AWD I think I could over look some of the things I dislike such as the lack of a rear wiper.
I took my rear wiper off of my 3rd gen years ago for a more sleek look and better aero. I rarely ever used it Andy way. I think it’s good to just delete it personally. Just need to clean the rear window manually every once in a while.
Heard Toyota only intends to sell 15,000 Prius Prime’s in US this year. Get in line ASAP if you want one?????
Hybrid are arguably more eco friendly than EV’s all things considered. Eventually that will change but I think currently there is a massive need for more hybrids while we transition.
While the new Prius is definitely more attractive than expected, the numbers are just a little better than the Volt was doing in its second generation. Nothing mind-blowing.
"Before Zero" is my favorite part. 2:55
It's literally a Volt.
Just more than a decade late!
As a Prius owner I am so dissapointed for Toyota's product line regarding MPG and Range for its latest Hybrids and Plugins. It's 2023... my 2013 Prius with 90k miles still gets 50 MPG. As for the range, check the specs on the original Volt..I love my Prius but for this new one, beyond the looks, I do not see much progress.
It’s because we’ve reached the limits of efficiency a traditional piston engine without completely ignoring tailpipe emissions (like diesels or the very efficient cars of the 80s did).
Better efficiency from an ICE requires a completely different concept than what we are doing now but nobody seems willing to do it.
@@ouch1011 I mean with ice car getting banned in 10 years or so it’s a waste to invest a crazy amount to more efficient ice engine
I mean these newer cars are much heavier, safer, than older cars, your 2013 may get 50mpg, but these newer hybrids have to be faster and safer while getting that same or even better mpg, plus Toyota always underestimates their mpg figures, there are people in RAV4’s getting 10mpg more than the EPA
@@alwaysiyi272 my 2018 CT6 2.0E plug-in sees in the 40's and at times 50's on 13.3kw usaeble. The 2.0T kicks in and it's 40 mpg at highway speeds in a +4,500 lbs boat!
@@normt430 that is pretty damn good, I never knew those were that efficient but your comment proves my point, newer cars are heavier, safer and more luxurious while having the same or in most cases better mpg than the previous gen hybrids
How's cat converter theft on these new ones?
How would he know? They’re not even out for sale yet.
I fail to see the point of any hybrids as most diesels can at least match their fuel economy with less Co2 emissions. I'm driving my 5th full electric over 14 years & have never suffered from range anxiety, I even pull trailers with my EV & do 500 mile journeys!
Dieselgate is what comes to mind
Modern diesels emissions systems are as fragile as flowers and are a huge pain in the ass and the wallet when they start to fail. Also with a hybrid, you dont have to listen to diesel clatter all the time and deal with pokey acceleration.
@@CACressida I only drive full electric vehicles, quieter cleaner & faster than your hybrids!
I really like the look of this new prius.. When I still worked and commuted I had a 2012 prius. Great car, never a single problem with it