Biden, Palin On Gay Rights
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- "CBS News RAW:" During the first and only official debate together, Vice-presidential candidates and rivals Joe Biden and Sarah Palin discussed various issues concerning gay rights and marriage.
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I always forget Sarah Palin is a real person and not just Tina Fey
LOL SAME HAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHA FACTS
EY SAMEE
Me too
I prefer Tina Fey.
It’s crazy to think that gay marriage was so controversial in politics just a decade ago
John Moore They still had some morals then.
@@lorefreedom6386 why do you care what others do when there are two consenting adults and you are not involved?
@@christopherdonahue1066 Lemme guess why... religious nobler-than-thou sanctimonious hypocritical assholery. Now, if they ever gave an award for it, I nominate: th-cam.com/video/Q5Hpo2G0x1s/w-d-xo.html
John Moore yea America has gone off the cliff
John Moore “just” 10 years is a while my bro
Why does Biden look older in this video than he does now wtf
He just looks so weird I can’t get over it lmao
Face-lift and botox duh
Bcause youre 13
He doesn’t have the shades
He doesn't, he looks younger. He's skinnier now, for example.
Me: *nothing*
TH-cam: Hey you want to see the vice presidential debate from twelve years ago?
You: .... yes
Yep TH-cam asked me that......
Hahahahahaha so true
Yeah, sure.
You ever seen a $20 bill on weed?
Recommended after 11 years. Anyone else?
Alex Morgan yea... and I’m not even American
They’re warming us up for Biden-Trump
Surprising indeed
yes
Alex Morgan me tooo!!
“Lets try to avoid nuance.”
And our country has ever since.
As it should be. Everything is binary.
@@satanspy hope this is a jokr
It was a ‘nice’ way for the moderator to ask them to not dance around the issue and just answer the question
Only a sith deals in absolutes 😔
i find it hilarious how - by 2020 standards - palin almost sounds like a professional politician. back in the day, she was the prime example of stupidity in politics, but by todays standards, one would have to say "wow, she speaks in full sentences!"
amazing contrast and a shocking reminder of how utterly absurd the present is.
That’s what Biden’s dementia does
@@willl4219 oh my god, you people actually exist.
@@willl4219 considering how 2020 went, i will happily take regular calm politicians instead of wannabe authoritarian reality TV clowns, thank you.
@@Paniekzaaiertje wow, that had absolutely nothing to do with anything. but you managed to voice your resentment. well done, have a cookie.
@@willl4219 and should your "incredible" president ever not win (cause, i dunno, stuff like 20x the deaths per capita than other western democracies due to him confusing denial and shittalk with actual leadership), you will claim the election was fake. as authoritarians do.
history will be the judge of that particular koolaid, so...good luck with that :-)
Gays: can we please just get married?
Palin: NO!
Biden: no❤️
The word marriage and its definition belongs to (and originates from) the Bible. If you’re not judeo Christian it shouldn’t matter. Marriages are a religious type of civil unions. Call homosexual long term couples anything but married because they usually aren’t religious. If they were very religious, they wouldn’t want to call It marriages because religious gays respect gods living word in the Bible which says marriage is between a man and a woman. Solved. Make a non religious word to define homosexual civil unions. Or just call them civil unions .. my vote is for homocovenants or love covenant
😐
@@shelbelee the Bible never says that though 😐 the Bible never straight up defines marriage they just use heterosexual examples. But if we look at Matthew 9:12 god says the only 3 people unfit for marriage are those who have been castrated, we’re born unable to reproduce, and those who don’t truly want marriage. So those are weird requirements but you do you I’m just saying seems to me like God supports gay marriage, unless you consider someone being gay meaning they were born unable to reproduce in which case you cede that being gay is natural and unavoidable in which case the entire Protestant, sorry if you’re not Protestant 🤷♂️, perspective on gay people is kinda messed up.
@@devina.j.2165 he also does describe marriage as between a man and woman. For example Mark 10:6-9 (ESV): 6 But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ 7 ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, 8 and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. 9 What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”
@@devina.j.2165 Genesis 2:22-24 (ESV): 22 And the rib that the LORD God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man. 23 Then the man said,
“This at last is bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called Woman,
because she was taken out of Man.”
24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
So...somehow Pete just Endorsed this guy instead of the guy whose been fighting for LGBT rights since the 80’s?
It was based on policy I guess which is stupid
unplugged toaster what policy? Pete’s platform was dissimilar to Biden’s in so many ways. Regardless, all these politicians are opportunistic hacks. No integrity, morals or consistency.
Why would you wanna endorse a socialist?
Capitol Limited productions HE’S A SOCIAL DEMOCRAT, you know like FDR. Almost every other developed country has some form of what he wants, Sweden, Denmark...look up the difference between Socialism & Democratic Socialism & stop relying on FoX or MSNBC talking points, & of course you are going to come back and comment about Venezuela, right 😂😂😂 it’s always the same bs talking points.
Sixers JT lol. Not voting for Biden in November dude.
Their answers were the same, biden just said it nicer
Austin Matthew-san Biden is an absolute idiot. Bernie2020
@@ExxoticChild DONT VOTE BIDEN IN NOVEMBER
@Atom make sure to convince family and friends. And possibly people you meet
The difference is that Palin is genuinely prejudiced while Biden could probably care less about wheter gay people get married or not but says he's against it because it's the popular opinion at that time. That's the difference between corporate dems and republicans..
Exxotic Child Bernie has idiotic ideals that he knows will never pass into law, because the things he supports cause more poverty, crime, and job loss than anything else. I’d rather have a farm animal in office than a man like Bernie.
Biden looks like he’s playing his own SNL character now- he looks so different.
fr
He's not that different now
@diogodavid3557 how about now?
People age.
joe biden’s clear resounding “no” just hit me in the face lmao
THE EDITED ONE WHERE HE SAYS NO KEEPS REPLAYING IN MY HEAD
@@walter4683 😱
Honestlyyyy😂😂
@Canny Darey when have i ever claimed joe biden lmaoooooo
@@evano486 EW LMAO
"Wonderful, you both agree gays shouldn't be married."
Yep. Amazing isn’t it.
Bipartisanship at its finest.
they personally dont "agree" with it, but they are still advocating for lgbtq+ people to be equal to heterosexual people. bigotry is taught. but he was trying to get over the bigotry even though he doesn't fully agree based on personal beliefs he is still aware that discriminating against the lgbtq+ community is still wrong. not fully agreeing or supporting it 100% of the way doesn't mean you hate it or you're homophobic, transphobic etc. they grew up in a time where they were told being gay is bad, being anything other than a certain religion is bad etc. and when you're told that as a kid it really sticks with you, especially when you're told for years on end before developing enough to be able to form your own judgements or opinions. regardless of those teachings him and obama still advocated for lgbtq+ rights and even were able to get gay marriage legalized.
If gay people want to be miserable like us. Let them. I understand why people are against gay marriage though.
**laughter from the audience**
Wow he was so much more coherent back then
And people still wanna pretend he's not undergoing dementia now.
Matthew W ikr he didn’t bring up his hairy legs or Cornpop even once in this clip.
Biden has always been incoherent ideologically. Now he’s incoherent in the general sense of the word.
John Moore Cornpop. Man I was laughing earlier trying to remember that dumb name haha
Matthew W that was the first thing I thought of when I saw this!
Why does joe Biden look like he’s been face swapped with an older Nicolas cage
Or Tom hanks
He's had lots of botox and liftings over the past decade
He just kinda looks a little fatter here. All those runs with Barry must've slimmed him down.
He died and was born again since then
Face-off!
wow Sarah Palin really pulled the I know a gay person card
She knows people who disagree on the issue. She doesn't necessarily know any gay people.
@@daphneferrizone2335 bingo
@Salvador Luna unless they don't know any gay people.
And people are seriously choosing him over Bernie who stood up for LGBTQ community even when it wasn't cool to suppot them.
Elena Vanderwoodsen
Dear uneducated Bernie Bro, I know you like Bernie because he is consistent. Sure, it would be better if Biden always supported lgbt marriage, but as you gain an understanding, your opinion changes. What matters to me is his opinion NOW, especially in the age where we need to beat Trump.
I myself had a different opinion on gay rights, but as I began socializing with the lgbt community my view changed. You Bernie people seem to believe that every politician HAS to have their opinion set in stone. Guess what? Not everyone is like that.
Bernie is over jesus get over it
@@tadekw9108 I don't know about you nincompoop but most of the times people's opinion change because of societal pressure and proprietary .Biden claiming to be pro gay marriage now when it's way more acceptable to be gay and especially when the demographic he is appealing to for votes is mostly pro LGBTQ suggests he is more opportunistic and less caring and understanding. The only uneducated brain-dead dweeb here is you .
Elena Vanderwoodsen a country with a strong economy that doesn’t support gay marriage is better then a socialist country that does. I’m all for gay marriage but it’s more important to have a good economy.
Please remember that this was 12 years ago. People and opinions change. Hell, three years ago, I still thought we should keep the death penalty and that abortion should be illegal. Since then, I’ve gained a better understanding of both issues, and I now realize that I was wrong. It’s not that hard to change.
Biden’s face looks completely different here wtf
Well that was 12 years ago...
Ya dementia does a lot to the face
so did your face too, 12 years ago, I suppose. Am I right?
Fatter, younger and better mental health. Your mental health shows on your skin and face believe it or not.
Face lift Biden
Biden looks like he just woke up wtf
Lol
Barry Obama just took him up from his nap
He always does
Sleepy joe
@@wisechimp6159 LOL! Underrated comment
So basically. They don’t like gay marriage. Could’ve just said that.
The idea was that marriage was a religious thing. The government should just see any joining as a simply that without calling it marriage.
@@keco185 except the government can marry people. and marriage carries with it legal privileges. So the argument was just pandering to religious groups, not an argument of substance
@@guybrush3000 if they were serious they would’ve stopped calling heterosexual unions marriage too. If they wanted to make marriage a religious thing, that’s fine by me. Just call it the same thing regardless of the type of relationship.
incorrect
@@jacobAmango what do you mean wrong? Joe said in the video: no I dont support gay marriage
Biden: We do support it, we do support it, we do support it.
Follow up question: Do you support gay marriage?
Biden: No.
Some things haven’t changed, I see
I get what he was going for but still, it’s not progressive thinking.
You might be a little on the spectrum. He supports couples not marriage
@@fadenih2305 Which is uncool. Maybe it’s symbolic at best but giving gays a chance to sign a marriage license together and have something physical to represent their union just like a straight couple is meaningful and important. It doesn’t matter if it’s ultimately immaterial, having that is still special if you’re devoting your life to another person and being gay means you can’t just because your heart has led you down a different path.
Biden says he wants to “bring everyone along” when it comes to raising up the middle class but to me that phrase should be broader and in more ways than just economically. “Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness,” should apply to everyone and those opportunities should be equally available. Times change and being led by people who change with them is how we make that change beneficial.
That's Biden being Biden...
"The universe is a paradox... So is Joe Biden... But I'm not entirely sure about the universe..." - Paraphrasing Albert Einstein
It's pretty crazy that Palin seemed really nutty, but now she's seems completely within the realm of nice and normal when you look at who's running for president now.
Yea trump is crazy
Yeah I came here to say the same thing.
She doesn’t seem nutty at all? She sounds quite collected and reasonable.
@@Yehoshua66 In retrospect, in this video, yes. But Palin was a wild one back in the day, and many would say she's the reason mccain's bid tanked.
wonder what gay couples must have been thinking while watching this debate especially when Ifill said “wonderful we agree” and the crowd laughed. We truly have come a far way on this issue.
Publicly, America may have come far, but I'm not too sure privately.
Henry Clayton I’m used to it by now
Yes because straight people never have sex for pleasure. Thats the point your making, right?
MouthBreather wow you seem like a great person lol
@@MouthBreather_ imagine being so horrible that you wish AIDS upon someone else's children for wanting to have equal rights in America. imagine being so ignorant that you think that there's something wrong with loving someone. Tell me, *what* is your justification for hating gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people?
"I'm not homophobic I have gay friends"
@sightinsight you hate gay people? So you hate your mom then?
That’s why I like to say it how it is, i AM homophobic and I have gay friends
Lol
Homophobic:
having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against gay people
“I have gay friends”
To be fair, those two things actually aren’t compatible.
@@liamwilson7549 that’s original plus it’s not funny at all
2:15 Question: “Do you support gay marriage?”
Joe Biden: “No.”
Totally unfair characterisation. Four years later, he FULLY supported gay marriage, as did Obama. ALL candidates have to consider how people will vote for them, and are never as open when facing election. But the facts speak for themselves: once in office, Obama and Biden legalised same-sex marriage. Judge them by their actions.
slashdisco you said it yourself 4 years later! FOUR. The problem with politicians is that they put their finger in the wind and measure where the vote goes. If the wind goes to restrict gay rights they would have done that. I do measure them by their actions or lack of.
Sorry. I’d rather vote for a candidate who supported same sex marriage all the way back in the 70s and 80s.
Little Bit yes because the polls changed. No principles. He’s a shrimp in a wave. Bernie makes his damn wave.
Little Bit . Like Martin Luther King Jr. once said, “The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy."
Yes, he can “evolve” on the issue and change his mind, but if he was saying this in 2008, god knows what he would be saying back in the 70s. Meanwhile, in the 70s, Bernie Sanders was holding gay pride parades in his own state of Vermont, back when it was extremely unpopular to support LGBTQ rights. I don’t vote for people who take dark money from special interests and who change their minds very recently only to get votes, aka Creepy Handsy Touchy Uncle Joe Biden. Sorry🤷♂️
I was like hm alright good on Biden.. until he spoke the second time
Even his first response wasn’t sufficient. He never said that gay couples should have the SAME rights as heterosexual couples, but he just underlined what they can do with the limited rights they have. Biden’s beliefs are ones that are convenient and ones that work with the status quo and this clip merely proves it.
@@virtuallyunknownn I don’t see that as an issue per say, it’s kind of a politicians job to appeal to as many people as possible, so supporting the most popular issues is a no brainer. It’s whether or not he’ll follow through on this stuff that’ll be the question. And if he doesn’t? Well I believe he’s said he won’t seek re-election, but if he does, we can always vote him out
@@QGonline A politician tries to appeal to as large an audience as possible. A leader has values they are driven by and remains consistent in those, fighting to bring others into the fold of what is right. Joe Biden is a politician. Bernie Sanders is a leader.
@@chadfurlong2919 not disagreeing, I would’ve definitely preferred Bernie, though I don’t think leader applies to Trump either
And Trump has always supported gay marriage. Biden only just recently has.
Bernie was advocating for this way before it was popular . . . .
Remember when sarah palin was the worst thing that could happen to America?!?!? Oh the good ole days!
Why does Biden look somehow older???
His reptilian body suit had an “older” setting in this video
Nathan Chien i think i heard somewhere that he’s had surgery/botox
I heard he had the HIV face wasting treatment. They stick something in your face. It’s not botox
TheRationalTurk Hope you’re joking dude.
@@jamesb.ofdesertdistrict567 he was in stage 2 of metamorphosis lol but dang he looks like a different person completely
From a 2020 perspective, I am bewildered by the civility of this debate. And while I disagree with Palin on her stance on the definition of marriage, I am kind of in awe to hear her speak respectfully and calmly about this topic. It is a very different style of discourse than what we most often see today.
It's also interesting to see how large a role the definition of marriage played in this debate back then, how important that was. They both argue in favor of expanding protections associated with domestic partnerships but don't think they should be called marriages. In many ways, the promises to expand legal protections were empty, as legal protections in most states were not expanded until marriage equality was achieved. The political landscape has changed so much since then, in so many ways.
Biden did not stand up for the LGBT community when it mattered. If you will only fight for me when it's politically convenient, you will not get my vote, both in the primary and in the general.
yup.
@Little Bit or, vote for bernie :)
Anna, that’s awesome. But I highly doubt it.
@Little Bit even if they are this awful?
Red Sonja would u rather Trump?
This guy should run for president, imagine if he won...
Idk man. He also seems entitled to the Latino vote. So let's just hand it all over to him bc he played Despacito on his phone once...
Oh yea imagine if a guy who went to a white supremacist funeral won president prolly would be as crazy if he said your not black if u don't vote for me
@@mrtree1368 There’s absolutely no motive anyone would have to vote Biden, if he runs for president
Trump: Hold my wall diorama
@V Toxica or just to cheat
@V Toxica BLM..Biden loves minors
"I'm tolerant", as long as i can treat you differently...
Does she not see the irony in her views?
I mean.... Biden said the exact same thing...
don’t get mad at her but not get mad at him
Get mad or glad with both of them since they shared the same dumbassed opinion.
Apparently, gays need to negotiate things that straight couples automatically get when they are married and say “please” to the hospital staff so they can see their spouse.
why does this look like it was recorded in the early 90s
Both support gay rights, but not gay marriage. That's enough hypocrisy I am hearing.
Weird to see Biden speaking so well
Especially since he looks so much older
Right?!
Not a fan of him, but he used to be a great debater! He was one of the best debaters dems had imo
Interviewer: Do you support gay rights?
Big Bird: I am gay
He’s dodging the question :/
One of the greatest mysteries is why people cared so much about who other people married.
Simple, bigotry. The same reason people now get so mad at pronouns other prople use
@@BthIX You’re 100% right. The problem is people think they can use their religion, “culture” or ideology as a Trojan horse to push bigotry, hatred and discrimination.
-.-...wait im confused... so they DONT support it?
AHhhh Damn it...
They do
@@imtonkwii7304
They don’t
@@jarjarbinks4744 they didnt
they dont
@@David-lk3mw Prop 8 was very controversial. The vote was split 52.24% to 47.76%. In LA county, the vote was split basically 50-50, and Nevada county voted to repeal gay marriage by only 3 votes. Still, it's crazy to think that even in San Francisco, a quarter of the population voted to repeal gay marriage.
If it makes you angry that two adults love each other you’ve got some really serious issues
Gee, she's prepared to be "tolerant" of gay people. How generous of her! Yuck.
Biden basically said the exact same thing as her, just in a different way
@@chrisstowe3448 Well, he didn't use the word "tolerate" which is very offensive. Would it be OK if I said I'm prepared to "tolerate" black people, or Asians, or women?
@@joesix-pack4022 We can use your argument lol.
Do you believe Black/Asian/Women should have equal rights and get married?
Palin : I’ll tolerate it
Biden : No
Reeeee the word Tolerate is offensive! Cmon man!
Glad progress has been made. Now, so many years later, if we can keep project 25 out of our lives we can continue to make progress and pursue our own happiness.
2:13 "Senator Biden, Do you support Gay Marriage?" "NO, Barack Obama nor I support"......
That plastic surgeon helped Biden a lot!
Ok
Cool
The spray tan, wigs, man bras and skin tight undershirts don't help Trump though - the guy's a fat slob, it's honestly sickening.
@@Leowulfs - some people get heavy when they get older and cannot help it. Jeez.
Do you have the surgeons number?
2:15 don’t vote for the guy who supports gay people when it’s convenient for him. support the guy who supported the lgbt+ community even when it was frowned upon. #bernie2020
edit: yeah so we were screwed over. #settleforbiden2020 at least i won't get my rights taken if he's president :/
I came from the CNN debate, in which Biden said he was the first to support gay marriage on national TV in 2008... another lie I guess
Kick Buttowski
Dear uneducated Bernie Bro, I know you like Bernie because he is consistent. Sure, it would be better if Biden always supported lgbt marriage, but as you gain an understanding, your opinion changes. What matters to me is his opinion NOW, especially in the age where we need to beat Trump.
I myself had a different opinion on gay rights, but as I began socializing with the lgbt community my view changed. You Bernie people seem to believe that every politician HAS to have their opinion set in stone. Guess what? Not everyone is like that.
@@tadekw9108 Dear uneducated Biden Boomer,
Someone's historical record can show what kind of person a politician is. In the case of Biden, he clearly went with the flow of the day, rather than dare standing for truly progressive ideals. Biden is a fake career politician who will say and do whatever the present political establishment may desire from him. He won't say anything that the public might be against, because that'll hurt his popularity. You're voting for a faux "middle class Joe" persona he's selling to America.
Biden switching his opinion is not him genuinely having a change of mind. It's him realising that popular opinion among democrats requires him to change opinion. His true opinions we will never know.
Regis One thing that we all know: Donald Trump is going to win in November.
@@jeffbunnell Yeah I believe he will too. Biden is going to get destroyed unless he is extremely sharp and knows exactly what to say. We both know that won't happen
My god it’s actually weird to see him finish a coherent sentence
After all these years, yes.
I'm Joe Biden and I forgot this message
@Andrea Mendenhall Are you sure? Has anyone asked him lately? And, most importantly, has anyone asked him on a Tuesday? His Tuesday answers are different from his Wednesday answers.
How did things change so drastically in 8 years?
they deserve equal rights
THE DARK KNIGHT'S REPUBLICAN Gay people do care about marriage in the same way heterosexual people care about marriage.
@THE DARK KNIGHT'S REPUBLICAN there is no equal right if you cant get married.
And they received
Modern day America makes Sarah Palin look smart jesus christ.
I am amazed that they just answer the questions without attacking the other like mad dogs. Politics was so much nicer back "in the day". They don't spin it around by calling each other names. You would think this was a century ago, but this only goes back 16 years.
It was before Trump. He changed everything for the worse
Biden’s position really changed from 2008-2012 on this civil rights issue. I’m glad now that he’s president he completely supports LGBT rights.
For votes kids. For votes only. Gtfoh
@@musicmann7891just stop -
Whether it’s genetic or not LGBT is not a choice, it’s well established and there’s no reason not to extend full civil rights to this community. If you want to hate away on Sunday morning rock it out with your prejudice but save it for your pastor
@@plworld5315 it's certainly fluid. Scientists just downplay this fact for what it could entail.
@@rv.9658No it is not fluid. What makes you an expert? Are you bisexual?
i can’t believe they’re referring to two human beings that are in love with one another as a political “issue”
Really though, it’s political because not everyone can agree on it, but being political has been so detrimental these days, and rarely any good comes from involving topics like this in a political discussion.
Okay I really hate all of these people going "omg it's just 2 people in love stop being a bigot" because that's not what their argument was about, they were saying that marriage is religiously defined between and a man and woman, and biden literally said that committed same sex couples should have the same rights as legally married heterosexual couples, I disagree with him because I think that marriage has become more than religious thing, instead just being a symbol of commiting to a relationship, and if they were serious about marriage being so closely tied to religion they would be against heterosexual atheists getting married
Ah back when candidates used to answer the questions they were asked.
show this to all the LGBTQ ppl that voted biden in 2020 and watch them scream
@@uijnghhj402 what? how is Trump not pro-LGBT?
@@frankchen4229 do your research. He hates our community. He signed several laws that undercut anti-discriminatory protections from the Obama administration. He thinks it should be allowed to fire us based on our sexual orientation or gender identity. He wanted gender to be defined as "a persons biological sex". He banned trans people from the military. He said he supports "traditional marriage" (which in his case means being married to his 3rd wive and cheating on all of them) and doesn't support gay marriage. And the list goes on. He does not support the lgbtq community.
Biden molests kids on C-SPAN, and you voted for that hahaha 😉
Hmmm, I don't seem to be screaming right now 🤷
This was pretty civil
Even tho they didn’t support it I really felt comfortable, as a gay person myself, with the level of professionalism that they seemed to show to each other. Really miss that.
Everyone should be treated equally
Nickie Ovien You know there’s only like 9 million gay people? Nothing you do can make them have sex with a women. They’re not attracted, and might get grossed out. If every single person was obligated to reproduce the world would be in ruins. Too much food going around, water, etc.
starlite556 You know that religion has no weight in laws? This country was built on freedom and equality. Not around your fable written by other men.
Pathfinder Xander That’s what a idiot would say when they don’t have an answer..
Little Bit Being a woman isn’t a sin that’s the thing the thing is I feel bad for parents because some sees this and some don’t because if your son was gay at that moment their generation would die and if they cannot produce they are dead for sure for their generation.
Nickie Ovien You literally have no data to back up your points. You’re the idiot in this conversation.
Ah the good old days when politicians from both sides of the isle could agree atleast when it came to outspoken bigotry.
Agreeing on taste in music or pizza toppings is one thing. Agreeing on the liberties of tax-paying Americans is something else
Just shows you how far left the country has moved in just a decade!
Socially kinda sorta yes, economically hell no
@@leifkhas7425 I literally just said how economically it hasn't moved left. Also imagine as a conservative bitching about a right wing healthcare plan and the defecit lmfao
@@JB-bc2ry lol in what universe is Obamacare right wing and the right responsible for Obama doubling the national debt? Just because you said the economy hadn't shifted to the left doesn't make it so.
@@leifkhas7425 Obamacare was literally cooked up by right-wing think tank The Heritage Foundation. It incentivizes the profits of the private market at the cost of regular people, a.k.a what the right cares about. And you seem to be all over the place, cause first you claim that Obama added 10T to the *defecit.* Then you switch claims to talking about doubling the *debt.*
No way this was 15years ago 😯
Biden has evolved since this debate, thank goodness!!!!
For votes dude, for votes. Gtfoh
@@musicmann7891see my prior comment-
Hatemonger
@@musicmann7891 yep its politically convenient to do so.
I can't believe this was 15 years ago!
I am shocked that both of them straight up said no to gay marriage. There wasn't even really a partisan split on it. It's crazy how much that can change in 7 years, let alone 12 years and how public discussions have changed.
How does Biden look older yet younger here
Because he actually had to work on the campaign rather than hide in his basement lol.
In reference to those who say Obama changed his mind on the issue, actually he stated on numerous occasions that he wanted same sex marriage in his election campaign, Biden was trying to make a point about the difference between a legal concept of marriage and a religious concept of marriage and smirked because Palin said she advocates equal right but not marriage equality, and couldn't understand her own contradiction.
You can really see how much he deteriorated over the years. Good points he made though.
Biden looks like he’s about to passout from being awake for so long.
Crazy to see how his speaking skills have gone
Unfortunately he got dementia
Not sure what you’re watching, but the debate essentially proved false the notion that he can’t speak lmao
@@Sam-bn5bb yes but compared to today it’s night and day
Oh my god “tolerance” means nothing if you don’t fully support a group’s equal rights under the law
Intolerance doesn't equal hate tho
How awful that Biden, now President-elect, had this position on gay marriage over a decade ago. I hope his thoughts have changed because this is some straight up BS.
Don't worry, his position has changed, I believe a year or two ago before Obergefell v Hodges. Maybe he was being opportunistic, but hey, even McCain showed support for gay marriage in his later years.
I feel most political figures are expressing little nuanced opinions like what that was 12 years ago not out of their own opinion but to side with whoever is giving them the votes, in this case the majority of the Democratic party felt that way back then
It isn't THAT awful a position to take. To summarise, he said that he believed that all gay couples should enjoy the same rights and privileges as straight couples, but that he agrees with the religious definition of marriage as being between one man and one woman.
I don't agree with it, but it isn't particularly bad, especially for 2008
@@ospreytalon8318 Yeah, that’s something at least, especially considering the year this was said. Although he only agrees on same rights for gay couples. Since he also agrees with the ridiculous religious take on it, he only defines marriage to be an act between a man and a woman only. This means he wasn’t in favor of gay couple getting legally married, which automatically denies them several rights because non-married couples are not the same as married ones, legally.
Oh good. She’s “tolerant”🙄
George 92 Then neither was Obama.
And Biden was so straight up lmao he doesn't support gays.
You can hear Biden's stutter here. Now that hes ages its WAY more pronounced.
I still can’t believe how far the lgbtqia+ community has come in such a short time. No politician would dare say this now. It’s amazing.
This is the first time I’ve seen Biden complete a coherent sentence in a debate during the entire campaign
Before he was cloned?
Now THAT is how you run a debate!! I miss Gwen Ifill’s calm yet firm and steady voice at the table when it comes to tough issues.
Palin, answer the damn question already!
Wow snl got it so right
It’s hard to even comprehend two politicians running for Vice President, from opposite parties, agreeing on anything, let alone agreeing on OPPOSING GAY MARRIAGE. WHAT THE FUCK
He was so sharp back then, it's incredible how much he has diminished!
What about the clip where he said "Obama and I do not support same sex marriage"
Biden looks like Bill Murray going through Groundhog Day over and over
Your mom gay
Hey 2008: I'm talking to you from 13 years into the future, and today same-sex marriage is legal in all 50 states, and even in places like Utah and Kentucky the public accepts that, and presidential candidates of both parties say they're onboard it. In your time, the pundits called same-sex marriage a political hot potato, but America can and will grow. Don't shrink back from taking bold stances.
Sarah Palin would have been torn if she said that today
It's absolutely ridiculous that it was ever a discussion
Ten years from now TH-cam commenters will say the same thing about the coronavirus lockdowns and mandates. But for now it's all righteous fervor.
It is ridiculous because marriage is between a man and a woman and there is no reason to change that. Alternative civil unions already exist and are available to everyone so why does the institution of marriage need to be redefined? It seems subversive to me.
@@mongke7858 lmao no
Sarah Palin really said “I’m not homophobic, I have gay friends”
It’s so obvious this country just has 500 years history 🤦🏻♀️ they’re just learning what was learned 2000 years ago 🤦🏻♀️
Notice how Joe Biden is actually coherent back then.
The word traditional, and it’s meaning, are man made constructs miss Palin. The best things about man made constructs is they can be changed.
Bro I’m really starting to think these politicians pay TH-cam to just recommend these random videos to us.
Man I want a Joe Biden facelift, he looks so different now
Crazy to see him finishing sentences
He is not getting attacked by an unhinged lunatic.
This is depressing to be reminded that our last president used to be against gay marriage too... they only flipped because of popularity.
How do you know they only flipped for popularity, Obama has done an awful lot to support the LGBT cause. It’s not shocking to see people educate themselves and adjust their values based on what they have learned.
He was against gay marriage? He wasn't, he was lying.
@@raniaalsha8246 Obama promised to help LGBT people and he didn't even try until his second term. I doubt he had an epiphany on his beliefs I think his donors just told him what his NEW position should be.
Obama actually was on record for supporting Gay marriage in the 90’s. His ‘public stance’ was the way it was because he knew that supporting Gay marriage in the 00’s was suicide. He did everything for votes.
The fact that the government is involved in so many things such as marriage is just one of the many reasons we are in this mess today with an overbearing government
ANARCHISM!!!
Seems so crazy to us now... But remember, the Libertarians have supported gay marriage since 1972, a whole 36 YEARS before this debate ever happened. Which is _truly_ the party of equality and progression? It might not be who you think it is.
When I see an older video of Biden I get nervous.
Kind of troubling watching this now that I’m older.
All these recent comments criticising Biden are pathetic. You can't dismiss and dismantle the entirety of history, and decide every character of years past is terrible just because they didn't support a certain social cause. Social justice and mobility has advanced so quickly, that you'd literally be saying everyone born before 1960 was evil.
Biden echoed Obama's official opinion at the time: they didn't support gay marriage. Except they really fucking did, and once elected they introduced it for everyone. So forgive them for having a view. In the end, they did what was right, regardless of their original belief.
This video hasn't aged well. What a shame that folks used to think this - and such a short time ago. Many conservatives still do think things like this, but WOW on the democrat side!!