Ammon Hillman Is Illiterate: Dr Kipp Davis on INSANE BIBLE CLAIMS
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Kipp eviscerated Ammon's theory on his own show with fact after fact that 100% proves the originality of the Hebrew texts which were subsequently translated into Greek.
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Kipp's a little hazy on Ammon's background, but both Dave and Kipp (and every legit scholar) immediately recognises the invalid methodology he employs with cherry-picked irrelevant connotations forced back into the biblical text. And Chriō doesn't even *mean* to apply drugs to the eyes to give insight ... He's made that up! It's simply "to smear" something onto any part of a person or thing, be it makeup, medicinal ointment, embalming resins or plaster on a wall. Not only that, but he relies on 3rd and 5th century CE fictional texts to give him "the truth" of what Jesus was doing centuries beforehand! 🤣
It's virtually certain that anything he says has an element of philological fakery or textual trickery about it. His fantasised narrative about Jesus and the aileged drug cult mystery rite using trafficked children which Ammon imagines he was doing to give aionic life, is patently without a grain of truth in it.
Not entirely correct, the argument hinges on assumptions of cultural context, chrio is associated with ritualistic magic and medicine practice. So should we assume jesus was been anointed for a theological reason in Jewish tradition, or was jesus more on the Hellenistic cultish side and that was his context which we should see him, the gospels were written in greek, Ammon would say this is a clue. A typical greek who read the gospels would associate chrio this way or rather could very well. It's certainly true that in the 1st-2nd century some people had some interesting ideas about who Jesus was and his message.
@@BLG80 The earliest attested gospel is, in fact, "Hebrew Matthew." Jesus may have been a Jewish mystic, with connection/influence from the Essene tradition because many of the recorded statements and practices he taught align with those composed by the Qumran Community and found in the DSS. The historical context places Jesus very firmly in that era as an Apocalyptic Jew expecting the fulfilment of Prophecies about the Jewish Messiah of Zechariah during what they thought would be the fulfilment of Daniel's 490 years. All of Judea had been in a ferment expecting deliverance from the Romans and their own kingdom to be established over all the world. During this time, there were many uprisings of rebels (lēstēs - used 114 times this way by Josephus describing this period). The worst tragedy was because of Judas the Galilean who told the people not to pay Roman taxes and led 2000 men to storm Herod Antipas' palace at Sepphoris, break into the armoury and arm themselves. The Romans soon crushed the rebellion and handed out the usual punishment for a rebel (lēstēs) - crucifixion to all 2000.
Jesus was also accused of being a lēstēs - a rebel/insurrectionist by the Jewish leaders to Pilate to get him executed because they had no permission to do it themselves. Please refer to Luke 23:1-2, 13-14 for the reality of the meaning of lēstēs and why they sent such a heavily armed force to arrest him and the charge against him as "King of the Jews" - a statement of rebellion against Caesar.
1Then the whole council rose and led Jesus away to Pilate. 2And they began to accuse Him, saying, “We found this man subverting our nation, forbidding payment of taxes to Caesar, and proclaiming Himself to be Christ, a King.”
13Then Pilate called together the chief priests, the rulers, and the people, 14and said to them, “You brought me this man as one who was **inciting the people to rebellion.** (ie, being a lēstēs). I have examined Him here in your presence and found Him not guilty of your charges against Him.
Ammon has invented his own fairy tale through many textual tricks, philological fakery and manipulative cherry picking of connotations from the LSJ.
The reason why Ammon wants the LXX to be the original composition is because a) he knows no semitic language b) it will justify his invalid methodology he uses where he picks a Greek word out of the context of its sentence and passage finds a cult or drug related connotation that doesn't belong, but forced it back into the text. He ALWAYS does this so that he can invent his "Christian Mystery."
@@alirowan1999 generally I agree, they is some bias in ammons work, but here is the thing he states he has a lens which he is viewing this work, I don't think he is using tricks or Greek, he is using a pharmacology filter to see jesus and the bible, creating a contextual framework in so doing. Although I think he is well off the mark, I do think his work is important in the broader discussion of how we should see 1st century Palestine, because it's becoming a bit obvious the Jews are less of an orthodox monolith as previously thought.
@@BLG80 I can assure you, he is using tricks - and that is the mildest description possible
docs.google.com/document/d/1_iTWlYWio7TKDqmLWWuqhwFiWr7K6tyt5TlBAi5CsUM/edit?usp=drivesdk
I grimaced every time he introduced a new element into his reconstruction building upon a previously erroneous foundation (and "erroneous" is the kindest word I can use.
Please take time to listen to those clips - one minute or less, each time. The links to Perseus Tufts on the various words will need you to bring up the LSJ, (not Middle Liddell, nor Autenrieth) to view. He places far too much score on the LSJ, as well. It has been upgraded, as well as surpassed by other Lexica since then. For example other Lexica highlight Josephus' use of lēstēs as insurrectionist, rebel.
@@BLG80 returning here after posting my reply, it is not visible to me - I hope it is to you. If not I'll abbreviate it with just the link to my analysis of his own "translation" of Mk 14:51-52 and you will see for yourself what "tricks" were employed to get it:
docs.google.com/document/d/1_iTWlYWio7TKDqmLWWuqhwFiWr7K6tyt5TlBAi5CsUM/edit?usp=drivesdk
As an outsider looking in, you guys would be much more effective in tackling his claims instead of attacking his character. I assume most of the audience only pays attention because we are searching for truth, not for drama. If you want to take him down, prove him wrong instead and his ideas will die.
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@joedirt5720 I'm actually working my way through the 2 hour stream mentioned in other comments that explains his evidence. Good stuff! I think that the title is misleading.
@@antonioacuna8575 I actually think my reply was meant for someone else lol... Now that I read your comment, I don't think this is what I meant to reply to 🤔. Sry bout that... Btw... I'm glad you checked out the long version lol.
Yep. Agreed.
I came here for an opposing view of Hillmans claims and found no evidence against them. Attempting to destroy someone’s character does nothing to settle a debate.
Doesn't settle the debate? Ammon refuses to debate lol he's a clown that wants your money
@@Itskinda_funnyyeah “give me some money so I can teach you how to read the Bible” (I also cannot read the Bible)
@@Itskinda_funny What? Hillman's channel isn't monetized and there's no Patreon. I'm not at all convinced of his sanity but money doesn't appear to be a primary motive.
@@Itskinda_funny He doesn't need to debate and WHY IS THAT?! Because he brings the actual SOURCE MATERIAL for anyone to see for themselves. You don't like the truth there, that a FAKE YHVH is pious fraud created from plagiarism, OR the truth that plagiarism cannot have a "son" then you have a problem with the GREEK SOURCES showing you to be upholding a fairy tale! Shame on you!
Dr Hillman doesn't have to make you look like an idiot because you're pretty good at making yourself look like an idiot without help.
@Overseer177 you worship the king of the jews, correct?
Dr Hillman is a madman 😂😂
@Overseer177 you're a very logical Christian, correct?
Hail Satan!!! ✨️ 🏺✨️
@@LadyBeesTOYBOX Hail Satan ✊
When you resort to calling people crazy, stupid, and on drugs, it makes me curious on if you really can argue their talking points.
Yes, all you'll see in this video is a series of logical fallacies, rather than anything useful.
Ammon provides zero argument or facts. He looks act Greek words that have multiple meanings picks one he likes for his narrative and refuses to cross reference it to Arabic and hebrew to put it in its proper context
@@Itskinda_funnywhy would he? The Ancient Greek text is superior.
@@xanderpromeo what language did the disciples speak😂
Who needs logical Fallicies, lure people in with untrue click bait tag line. State person's must be on drugs?. Then demean bodily Movements and mannerism as character flaws.. Then Hippie Bandana boy can say with No proof It's Scholrship.
He's a strange guy with a strange sense of humor. attacking his character is not a convincing way to debunk him. Anyone who deep dives into religious history knows the writers took whatever liberties they chose to direct the narrative to control the power. And power is what they craved. That's why it took so long to translate it to English. They didn't want anyone thinking they didn't need the priest as a middle man to have a relationship with that particular god. And when you have so many examples of those in power changing the text or denying regular people a direct connection to those texts then people changing the story about a pedophile pimp drug dealer to something more wholesome is completely plausible and actually really expected
If they changed the narrative, then why did they leave in the bit about a naked boy running away. Why not just take that out? Also, why didnt any ancient critics, like Celsus, call out Jesus for being a pedophile? Honestly Hillmans theory seems so obviously wrong. But people love the idea that theyve discovered a secret scandal, that they know the truth, and everyone else are just sheep. You dont know anything about history or greek first hand, so you have to just listen to the scholars. So you ignore the 1000 scholars that agree, and listen to the one scholar whose claims happen to also give you secret knowledge that strokes your ego. At the end of the day, data is what matters, and Hillman hasnt provided anything convincing.
He's not just a strange dude with a strange sense of humor. He's making claims that are complete blasphemy. And I am sorry, but your theory about biblical authors wanting power is completely nonsense because pretty much the majority of those authors died horribly and lived in poverty. None of the apostles had anything to gain on Earth except the peace in their hearts. None of the prophets had any real respect on earth, but they were hated by people who are ungodly. People hate God because they love sin. We drink iniquity like water.
@@taylor-gq4rg People do not hate God, they hate exceptionalism.
Conflating disbelief with hate is the same tactic used by ideologs to denigrate any kind of contrary belief.
Exceptionalism is the main problem and Christianity is the epitome of exceptionalist ideological propaganda.
"God's chosen" being the oxymoronic epitome of that exceptionalism.
In the face of the fact that in a, quite possibly, infinite universe, where there is a perfectly tangible possibility the earth is not the only habitable planet, that this one is the seat of those closest to a infinitely superior creators heart and within that, there is a sub group who are extra special is 1. A little convenient and 2. A seriously egoistic conflict of interest in terms of the general message of the concerning text.
@@counterf8515 I read the Holy Bible on my own, not belonging to any religion or following anyone. It was only to connect with GOD in some way. I was surprised but happy to find that amazing connection. That was over a decade ago, I’ve read it many more times since. I’m very blessed to actually have peace and full of love. Now I see many people seem to misunderstand what the Holy Bible is actually about. It’s not meant to control, it’s not about only a certain group of people being GOD’s chosen either. Instead, it’s so much deeper and much more beautiful than what many believe it to be about. I pray you’re able to see the truth, may GOD bless and protect you!
@@S.D.M022 I have also read the bible and I see the truth already.
The bible, if read from the perspective of being, the human interpretation of a select few, self appointed, arbiters of moral providence, is in fact, a wholely unnecessary phenomenon.
For if everything it purports to be true, is in fact true, then "God" as the vehicle of all things borne to pass, both past and future, considering that the present is fleeting, is in full control of all the good and the evil in the world as a means of, for some seemingly arbitrary reason, reaching a climax, then there is no comfort and nothing to be understood outside of that fact.
Much like sending ones son to battle the moral decline of humanity, in full knowledge of his predetermined demise, a demise that is at the behest of a fate prescribed by the father, for the purposes of relieving the guilt of a race of entities already under the full predetermined control of the same will that adorned that sin in the first place.
And.....all this to collect the souls of those who pass the test of an already, by the very nature purported by the human interpretation of his mode and means, predetermined result.
Everything, as prescribed by the text has, or will come to pass anyway, all the good, all the evil, all the sin and all the forgiveness.
In this respect there is no inherent need for the text for it makes no difference to one's standing with "God", and simply serves as a vehicle and catalyst with which one small sect of society controls another greater portion of society by claiming divine providence over the moral habitus.....of course by divine will, as far as the text would have us believe.
The whole idea of the bible and the tax free real estate and financial chokehold it exercises over any society that embraces it is, completely antithetical to the message of the superior moral standing of those who claim that arbitration.
Churches as a creation of revere to a devine creator seem purile in the face of a butterfly, or the miracle of child birth or any of the other wonders the universe has to offer.
Which is why in earthly terms the bible is no more than moral propaganda that benefits the clergy and state, by holding those with no tangible power over proceedings accountable for there actions and protects the seat of those who claim it's providence.
The truth is the truth, I see it in the actions of my fellow men and in the majesty of all that is and those two things very often do not correlate as those arbiters would claim they do.
"Oh but that's the devil's work", really?
1. Who created the devil? and 2. If this be the case, then the "Lord" ain't so omnipotent as they would have us believe......or he is in cahoots with the evil one, in moulding his own and our predetermined fate.
The sheer audacity of the morally enlightened to meddle in the predetermination of their self professed superior and his evil counterpart is futile to the point of comedy.....and look what they do, in his name, to his fair creation.
This is the truth, the bible tells me more about human nature than it ever will about the nature of "God".
You have not debunked anything. His delivery shouldn't be confused with the validity of what he was saying.
Alls I heard was his Greek is great and a whole lot of whining
Didn’t show a single source
Hey lets try to make a scholarly argument but completely side track and come off like a pair of jealous teenage cheerleaders. In other words Joe Biden and Trump would make better arguments than you gents.
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Ya'll took 10 minutes and 56 seconds to say almost nothing of consequence, congratulations. Attacking someone's character in the guise of "debunking" them is pretty weak, at best.
Yeah. Democrats and leftist media does it all day.
@@whiteashpiperwhiteashpiper5447 You sound like you're in some sort of cult.
Perfectly typed.
Is that it .. tapping at 4:52...
@@TheDanEdwards too right ... He runs a cult, Ordo Serpentis Rosae. I never initiated and was even thrown out because I was not happy with how he was manipulating all the texts - just as explained here using cherry-picked connotations and misquoting texts because he has an agenda to blame Jesus as the founder of all the ritual sex abuse through the centuries that the church has done ... And to fulfill his Satanic calling to bring in the Antichrist which he will achieve once he's found the recipe for Lady Babylon's cup of Porneia. All total fantasy, but had thousands of dupes believing it!
(To be fair, though, I think further initiation into the Ordo has either halted or is open to selection from among the many, many hundreds of new arrivals on the landing page of their Discord. I no longer have current inside information)
Listen…the claims that Dr Hillman is making need to be counteracted and no one can do anything but say he’s crazy. That doesn’t work
Lol why don't you both bring your sources to Ammon and actually try to debunk him can you all even translate greek and I guess you all have never seen a man have a muse? you mistake the muse for being high 😂
OH that's beautiful. Man I am learning so much about life. From Greek and Ammon. You will have cockroach 🪳 daemons come out and try to suck on that energy. Clear as day why he was nervous.... Talking to a guy who's taking screenshots to talk shit about you later. Completely disingenuous 🎉😂 they can suck it alright. Lol 😆
He is too scared to debate.
Hillman’s claims that Jesus was with a childpr0stiitoot in the garden of gethsemane were not refuted in this video.
Jesus was the Greek term for saviour,Titus called all rebellious leaders Jesus, Gethsemane is where Titus crucified all House of David Satan,why Titus said Jesus Lucifer was screaming out My God my God why have you forsaken me, Passover, Easter, sacrificing and Paedophilia.Mathew 26 53 gives you author and Messiah can't be denied,where he asks his father for 12 Legions of Angels to crucify Jesus Lucifer along with 2 million House of David,if these Drs tell you this they'll be Stripped of their title as the deceivers dish out the titles.
In case you don't want to watch, this is the tl;dr debunking:
"He says crazy garbage". He's"rude and condescending". "douche" ....Good job debunking, guys. 🙄
I did an entire two hour stream debunking Ammon's nonsense. This wasn't it.
@@DrKippDavis I doubt that seriously professor. Debate Dr. Hillman, please.
@@davidhutchinson5233 How sad for you that you cannot understand, and remain blinded by your messiah. You have my pity, sheep.
@@DrKippDavisno you don’t. You have a 2 hour stream showing that you don’t understand what you are talking about. Lol
Yep. Criticism is NOT debunking.
Lol these guys don’t know their christo from their assto
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Lol
You are on drugs every time you drink alcohol on your show.
I didn’t hear a single debunking here, y’all should be more careful with your words. Now I trust you less this the other guy. Now I’m starting to think he’s right
I doubt you.
I did. How about you open your ears.
There’s a long stream that Dr Davis did in his TH-cam channel a few days ago.
If for you the fact that Hillman doesn’t know* m the language he is trying to “debunk” as the original is not enough..
He not only doesn’t know it, but he claims he doesn’t need it.
Which it’s methodologically unsound, to say it mildly.
The most he has done is offer an hypothesis, but he refuses to compare it to the one that is currently accepted to see which one has more explanatory power.
Ninjuhdelic said it. 💯
I guess you missed the christ definition. Context and meaning. 😮
Please stick to debating sbout the content that Dr. DC Ammon Hillman presents. Bringing up even the slightest speculation about him being high is very off-putting.
To be fair,...I always think he's high. Still I listen. Somehow his credentials and words have him on multiple channels I follow. Things he says are unlike anything I've ever heard
@@dmsdad6866That is because he just makes stuff up.
@@DrKippDavismakes stuff up or makes unreasonable inferences? I do think some of his inference is strained at times, especially the whole Jesus in the garden idea, this sounds more like an axe to grind. but archeology is unsurfacing some interesting evidence that drugs in the ancient world maybe as common as drugs in our own time or more so. not just recreationally but across the spectrum.
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How would you know if he makes stuff up when you have not studied the Greek? Your little knowledge with the Ancient Greek and his expansive 30 plus years of study shows me you need to take his classes. Find out for yourself.
@@ValeriePoynter Again, while my Greek skills are not as strong as Hillman's my Hebrew skills far and away outstrip his, as does my training and expertise in Hebrew manuscripts and in ancient Near Eastern literature. I know he makes stuff up, because when it comes to the biblical texts he will say things all the time that are flatly wrong and misleading.
I just performed a web search "which language is older Hebrew or Greek. I checked three different way and the results were the same Greek
Weird I did a web research from different sources Hebrew is older than greek.
@@tronarts7945 you get that from the Holocaust web site?
Cliff High is a language expert and much older than Ammon, he has stated the original bible is written in Greek but has a lot of material left out when it was written in Hebrew.
I love when people shout nonsense and idiocy but have nothing to back it up…what a waste of time 😂🤣
Ten minutes of straight NPC content.
I have a 2 hr stream on my channel in which I lay out the evidence which demonstrates the total implausibility of LXX priority. You should check that out.
These guys presented their reasoning, while not being specific about the reasons why the scholarly concensus does not agree with Hillman. As someone who has learned from Hillman and appreciates some of his ideas, he is also not a restrained or disciplined thinker or debater. He should stick to clearly presenting the sources he's an expert in and then walk back some of his claims, instead allowing guys like this to explain why they think all the words and phrases that have pharmacological and cult contexts in other classical literature (sometimes contemporary with biblical literature) do not or cannot apply in any way to the Bible. I believe them that the biblical tradition is different from Greek tradition. I also am convinced by ideas like those presented in Muraresku's "the Immortality Key," which is significantly informed by Hillman's research.
@@SavageHenry777 I hear you and appreciate your thoughtful reply.
I think it can be difficult for every party to grasp when someone sees many pieces to a very large puzzle when people are also not ready to believe in the possibility of yet. It’s uncomfortable to be so before or ahead of your time.
Yeah, the uniformitarian model of Christian brainwashing was really evident here.
@@DrKippDavis I respectfully disagree. Ammon is quite strange and probaly a drug user. I think is hilarious, when a stupid laymen like me, just uses googles the topic and notice that is still a open debate. I think it is implied that Ammon biased towards greek and Dr. Kipp Davis at Hebrew. Which is concerning Ammon is rude, but I never saw him on high horse, like Dr Davis. Dr. Davis presents a open discussion as fact, while present a different alternative.
Now it seems Dr Kipp Davis got intellectual man handled. Can't win a argument against a drug addict.Still that doenst marginalize Dr. Kipp Davis, lots of knowledge, start cooperating you fools. Here mean scienitist us a whole, so muich to learn, if you open to new ideas.
Hebrew has a vocabulary of 8000 individual words. Greek has a vocabulary of 250,000 to 500,000+ individual words. Extraordinary. The fact that the ancient Greek language not only stopped being spoken but also stopped being used to write and teach people to read is extremely suspicious given that the Roman's loved and admired everything Greek. Even quoted by many historians allegedly claiming that Roman's preferred everything Greek claiming it to be far superior in every way; culture, architecture, religion, government, mathematics et cetera. We only have to look to the meteoritic rise of Christianity and the Roman Catholic Church to understand why Dark Ages and death followed it wherever it went.
So fucking what if he was high? Everyone at every moment is high on something. Whether external or internal. Try again and drop the pretense.
Dr. Ammon Hillman was an is a professor for multiple universities what about y’all?
What a rubbish conversion...
Absolutely rubbish
Looks like this video didn't quite work out the way you thought it would...lol
I'm so glad Kipp continues to show how personally Ammon has affected him. He secretly loves Ammon. ❤ Kipp throw a Greek translation out there, let us pick it apart bro.
Becaused I asked him about it in a 2+ hour interview?
Guy tries to be cryptic by answering a question with a question. Couldn't be more defensive.
Greek or ancient Hellenistic (proto) Greek, as i understand it there are quite a few variations and a huge difference between antique and modern
There was nothing about this video and I could only assume also the rest of the full version was "debunking". The host couldn't attack Dr. Hillman's claims. So he resorted to attack and insult the person and his behavior, personality,... with ignorance. And Kipp Davis did nothing to provide anything that debunks Dr. Hillman's claims. It was more about feelings. And how both of these men felt or how Dr. Hillman made them feel. If anything Dr. Hillman's work was strengthen by this episode.
Thats wat Narcissistic Ignorance, & Drama addicts do best...Just lik any other addict, keeping their pathetic addictions fed is ultimately all that truly matters.... But atleast their actions serve 2 further bolster tha historical facts that Ammon has had tha balls 2 reveal.... His eccentric personality, & obviously OCD tendencies is probably wat helped him focus better on these ancient Greek text that most ppl can't decipher, let alone hav tha patience 2even learn bout in 1st place!! 💯💯💯
This interview didn’t go the way you expected … did it? 💩👎
I’ll say as someone with a “special interest” in traditional plant medicine/herbalism/botany etc., historical medical practices and modern nutrition, I am quite invested in the pursuit of understanding the historical and ancient texts. I think Ammon’s work is very interesting and important, but his extrapolations are sometimes unhinged. My perception is that he’s assuredly under an influence, but I’ll leave it to him to name it.
Roll with it fellas. You prefer all your oracles to be nice and polite?
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I don't care if Jesus did that shit or not, honestly it wouldn't surprise me. It's so hilarious watching people argue over who's right and who's wrong. What's even more hilarious is people care about who's right and who's wrong pertaining to a book that's complete garbage from beginning to end. It should be left in the past where it belongs and forgotten.
Amen
Yet here you are. I'm concerned that I'm not as obsessed with God as atheists are sometimes.
@@John_Six of course people who don’t believe in it are discussing it. Religious zealots are actively destroying the planet and humanity. They need to be studied and stopped.
@@John_Six people have to be concerned with “god”. His followers are destroying society and the planet. They need to be studied and stopped.
Can you prove him wrong?
The man brings sources that are all over the place. he connects the points and references brilliantly if one checks out his vids. something that was obviously lacking in this "Debunking".
The debunking is on my channel. There is a video and a community post.
Literally spreading hate. I love the tone in their voice only speak for another man's emotions. They sound very small and muted in their own actions. Gorgeous
Earliest Hebrew texts are younger than the earliest Greek. You're building your boat off the backs of others and not recognizing it.
Can you cite historians or scholars that make these claims?
How is this video debunking anything? Do either of you even speak Greek? I never heard of Ammon until today, so naturally the first thing I want to do is debunk it, since it's compelling... but this debunk isn't a debunk at all.
The debunk is on my channel. There is a video and a community post.
Ammon is gonna rip u a metaphorically mew one in a rezponse
I just discovered Hillman today. Pretty mind-blowing. When I saw the title for this video, I thought "great! Scholarly debate. Can't wait to hear "the other side", as it were". What I heard, though, was 1 personal attack after the other, the last one being "no citations". Hmmmmm, exactly like this video! Not one scholarly citation.
Very disappointing.
"I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth, if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives."
~ Leo Tolstoy
What a pleasure to see such an enlightened comment section
The weed make you enlightened to?😂
Didn't address the boy from Gethsemane with Jesus.
They didn’t address anything they just talked shit the whole video like a couple of jealous schoolgirls.
This is ridiculous. "Debunk" my a**...it's jus attempted character assassination.
Are any of you fluent in the reading and interpretation of ancient Greek? That's all I will ask.
Is Ammon Hillman fluent at reading and interpreting ancient Hebrew?
@@DrKippDavis can one not answer a question?
The question was directed at you, not Ammon.
@@joshuasanders2449 I read Greek just fine, and I read Hebrew even better. So, I am the one with comprehension in BOTH languages, not Ammon.
Amateur Gossipers judging someone not there
Big fail fellas. You sound ridiculous and petty. You failed to debunk anything. I’m pulling for you, hopefully you’ll see your folly and provide textual sources. I’m sure I speak for most here, tearing down personality traits or appearance is an instant loss of respect from me.
The debunking with sources is on my channel. There is a video and a community post.
☝️🤓 big fail fellas
The seagulls behind a fishing boat trying to gather the scraps of others success, hes forgotten more than you know.
This title is completely misleading and nonsensical. Dude leads with I wish all these classical experts would just stay away because they debunk my world view lmao
Debunk my world view? I thought he said because they have no expertise in the languages of the Bible and make overreaching claims that have no basis in reality.
Hillman is correct
About what?
Greek
@@sethkresoja Well, that's broad and meaningless. My criticism is quite a bit more nuanced than just "Greek."
Fine... Greek yogurt
@@0125AR I am told that Greek yogurt is the best yogurt.
I hope you took at least the same amount of time to listen to Ammon as you did talking about him.
Not a single evidence of proof here. You're damn right he's an eccentric, intense character.
But refute his claims.
I'm seeing Kipp say "he's acting like he's on drugs," and "he doesn't like me." He also says that he pointed out "the many, many, many reasons" why the Septuagint isn't the original text. I don't see any convincing argument here. If you watch Hillman's streams, he goes line by line with explanation to back up his claims. And there is certainly something there. Of course, the academics would be too fearful to consider such a scandalous and world-altering revelation. Just be honest. This isn't "cherry picking." Paul is talking about "his boys" in his writings as well.
You do realize that making video about Ammon IS indeed helping the algorithm find more of Ammon? Also, commenting on what someone could or could not possible be under the influence of is such a bad move because you are spreading false info on something you are not 100% aware of. Speculation and rumor spreading is not professional at all.
What does high have to do with the truth
I found this TH-cam video because I searched Ammon Hillman after seeing it in Danny jones/koncrete
I am subscribed to this show but don’t watch often but got caught attention to the show with Ammon.
I loved the way Ammon communicated and presented his information.
I’ll love to hear your take on his research as I imagine he would get huge amount of throwback…
Listening to your video now!!
Big fail dudes. Plus i dont support channels with comment warnings. .where u have to click "got it" to comment. Tf out of here
I don't know ..there is something very real to the guys research, drugs or not, he's literally translating it CORRECTLY, people shouldn't look into him if they don't want to face a sick truth in our current reality...granted, everyone's reality is a bit skewed to their surroundings and Amonn is surrounded by the same crowd of the priesthood who wrote these texts. The man makes too much sense,
Sorry fellas
thanks to those of you in the comments that saved 6 min of my time (I began to read comments a
t around the@04:00 mark since I wasn't hearing any debunking.
I read Hillman as being autistic. A few clues: his idiosyncratic word choices, his rate of speech, his blunt honesty, his stimming behavior, his seeming obliviousness of certain social protocols.
Well done lads. You're vitriol has won over your compassion.
@ 7:50 “i happen to know both languages and i happen to understand why the many many many reasons why uh we are absolutely certain that THE SEPTUAGINT IS A TRANSLATION OF THESE GREEK ORIGINALS”.
Hmm, it would be best to show why hillman is wrong about the text been written first, rather than his medical lens greek translation. He makes no excuses for using this lens and he even makes it clear this is his approach, he makes the argument that this is valid, for the ancient world is stepped in this culture of using substances for all manor of daily activities from religious to medicinal. Two hugely important factors in life of the ancient world alongside food and fertility, which are also practically interdependent concepts. Hillman makes a case for a greek original old testament, so less of the he doesn't know Hebrew, i want to know why he is wrong specifically.
Be careful about speaking with reason and using critical thinking, these two clowns don’t like that they only want an echo chamber.
@@phasematerialsresearch9319 to be honest I'm a little confused over the host, he wiggled his way onto mythvision to get subscribers, but it's obvious that he doesn't really know anything about the topics he covers or perhaps if we are been charitable, a superficial amount maybe. Best he could hope to do is be like Jacob bermen at history valley, and be quiet. Even then I'd rather listen to Jacob because he actually does know what he is talking and thus can ask the decent questions. This guy didn't probe Dr kip and that's his lack of knowing anything. He would be much better suited talking about annunaki to a ill informed audience.
I had to watch the debate after hearing how rude Ammon was according to Kipp. Wow, talk about projecting. "SHUT UP DERRICK, CAN YOU JUST SHUT UP". Ammon said he wished Kipp would have came prepared for the debate (it was obvious he didn't) and Kipp just lost it.
Usually an opponent resolves to insult when they've lost an argument.
Baby hedgehogs anoint themselves with foaming saliva having coated themselves in snake venom.
I watched the original scuffe between Dr Ammon and Dr Davis on GI. Dr. Hillman compared the number of ancient Greek words to the number of ancient Hebrew words
Love it when ego's clash, its entertainment.
They literally give an example of Ammon’s translation and just say, “hE’s wRoOnG” without give any information to support their claim that he’s wrong. Great look🥴
Best thing about this video is that it's getting Dr. Hillman's name out there. Read all of the other comments for the worst parts.
It's good to see so many people supporting Ammon ❤
He helped translate the Dead sea scrolls on the Greek aspect. The anointing oil is of specific ingredients, just as any ointment, with herbs that are prepared. In the NT it is written to pour this oil over the head of the sick ones in your congregation, why would they tell the leaders to do that, unless it has medicinal effects. Oh yeah he is a professor of both Classical Greek and Latin, he has a PhD from University of Wisconsin, Madison.
ad hominem fallacy setup from the beginning, and then giggling about "scholarship". What a clown show this video is.
Saying someone is full of shit doesn’t prove or even support that claim. If he has demonstrably false ideas, then demonstrate. Otherwise, shut up. You guys have even resorted to calling him a “douche” and saying that “maybe he was high” and “he was smelling his shirt”. lol. Interpreting books from something like classical Greek to English is just that, interpreting. Translating isn’t an exact science. What Hillman is doing with his translations, as both a Classicist and Scientist, is expand the possibility for understanding and revelation to an extent greater than all cumulated work that has been done in this area of scholarship in the last 75 years. Haters be hatin’
Why doesn't he cross reference between Hebrew, Aramaic, and greek? For the new testament
Ammon knows, he is legit
What is it you think Ammon knows? He certainly does not know anything about early Judaism and the Hebrew Bible.
@@DrKippDavis Watch his stuff, it's all there
@@badrockarnI have. He constantly spouts obvious nonsense.
Ive seen some of Ammon stuff its wacky @@badrockarn
I feel like some of the stuff he’s onto is evident just from how those shadowy aspects of Christianity has followed it
It’s been twisted from the jump
You two are fools LOL nice try
you did not attack his arugments. you only called him crazy.
He’s not listening , meanwhile his co-host isn’t listening 😂
KIPP IS THE COOLEST MAN ON EARTH TO TALK BIBLICAL TRUTH. AND ONE OF THE MOST ACCURATE, HE'S EASILY UNDERSTOOD AND NO PROBLEM RESEARCHING HIS CLAIMS..100%
I actually enjoy, no i actually love how Dr Ammon Hillman presents and delivers his videos. And i like his character, so what if hes under the influence its what drew me to his videos even more. And i prefer his videos when ges on his own, no one can interrupt him, as most often happens. I have an old bible, and have collected any old bibles since i became a born again over 30 years ago, in 1983. Lifes unexpected challenges broke up my family, a devoted wife and mother, falling away from a church family i loved. WHY did God allow this heart ache for mysf & children. I am thankful i found Dr Hillman late in life, it explains everything and Dr Hillman shed light on these,, answered questions no one else could. I am going continue to learn more from Ammon regardless of this weak video debunking themselves.
This is really sad that two adult scholars are incapable of working together collaboratively. I listen to Ammond & at first thought he wS crazy but after listening to him, found him to be pretty level headed.
And, as to your statement as to which came first, he fully admitted you were correct. I would suggest that you two meet again & work together collaboratively & learn from each other so the rest can learn from both of you.
Lots of freaked out Christians out there after learning what their old books actually said 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Team Hillman for sure lol
I love that your second rule for comments is to address the argument and not the person, but you spend the entire podcast attacking Hillman personally. 😂
I found him on Danny's channel..Ammon seems to be focused on drugs n sex ...it seems to me ..I heard him going on n on about JESUS was in the garden with the young boy with no clothes on .. anyways, I m nobody ,no scholar , - nothing but I just started feeling uncomfortable when he spoke ..I don't want to judge anybody..he got through school apparently..I feel bad for him ..not sorry for him ..Thanks for bringing this to light ...
He says the purple dye found at a dig close to me is some form of drug. It's not its a dye:
6,6'-Dibromoindigo, also known as Tyrian purple, possesses a unique chemical structure that contributes to its vibrant color and historical significance. The molecule consists of two indigoid units, which are linked by a central carbon-carbon double bond. Each indigoid unit contains a six-membered benzene ring fused to a five-membered nitrogen-containing ring called an indole. Two bromine atoms are attached to the benzene rings at the 6th position (relative to the indigoid unit linkage). This specific arrangement of atoms allows the molecule to absorb light in the visible spectrum, resulting in the deep purple color we see.
Thats not the only thing that doesn't add up properly.
If people would do their own research.
I'm not sure the whole thing is just a show. He's playing the anti-christ.
Hilman is not crazy and he is excellent at reading Greek. The language our Bible was translated from. He makes a point that many people are not aware of. Ancient Greek has up to 500,000 individual words, ancient Hebrew had at most 9,000 individual words.
Ancient Hebrew is lacking terribly to compare how basic this is, modern English has about 120,000 individual words. Languages shape
Awe - someone's sad that they're stupid
😂❤
"Oh my gosh, he sniffed his shirt and bit his nails!"
Tell ne you have NOTHING without saying that you have nothing....
Did you just take a 10 second segment out of a 10 minute conversation? Who has nothing to say again?
@@DeepDrinks judging by this comment section... still looks like you....
@@markupton1417 ah yes, the TH-cam comment section: pinnacle of rationality and truth. Thanks for watching.
@@DeepDrinks interesting business model...insult the people who view your content.
Good luck with that!
It's so crazy that it just might work!
That was sarcasm....
It's a stupid and childish business model and you're doomed to failure.
From a dude wearing a Sesame Street shirt? 😅
I hate people whose sole goal is to smear other people. Its kind of degenerate.
Deal with the issues he raises ! There are other scholars who are in agreement..attack the argument nit the man ...
WHAT WAS JESUS DOING AT 4AM WITH A NAKED KID YELLING I AM NOT A LEHSTES!?!?!?!?
Read it in the Bible and cross reference all words with the Aramaic and hebrew to find the proper word for the context. That is basic Bible study of which ammon will not and can not do becuase he can't make money telling the truth
Sorry, but why do you think that the Christian authors left that bit in if it is indeed what you are insinuating? This should be a very simple question for you to answer Mike
@@DeepDrinks Because he was probably touching that boys no no spot.
Because sodomy with little boys was part of the early society's. As was drugs.
Of course, you hope Ammon stays in his classics aisle, makes things so uncomfortable for you, Kip. 😉 I get it 🤫
Look at the 1902 texts from a Jewish Encyclopedia dude 🤨 in it Clearly THEY pay homage to the GREEKS from whom they derived ALL of their renderings of biblical writings 🤷♂️ Perhaps you should broaden your search parameters pal 🤦♂️
I listened to Danny Jones with Ammon and I can never get that time back. Either schizophrenic, on drugs or a charlatan imo
“No citations” is the key to his imagination.
I wasnt aware that dr.david kipp was an expert in greek i thought he was an expert in hebrew
The pirate guy has to be smart with that sesame street shirt
Thank you Dr Kipp Davis…..I watched a show of Hillmans’, which played more like a three letter agency psy ops of mind manipulation than anything else, but Ammon referenced you multiple times during his delusional broadcast….which brought me here to listen to this quick segment.
Haha best comment ever!
Can't trust an adult man in a sesame street shirt. Lololol
And what of the Gnostic sects that had these same type of beliefs? Like the Ophites, Cainites, and especially the Borborites, Koddians, and Nicolaitans? Whom practiced psychedelics and the mixed of "Bodily Fluids" from men and women into their sacrement?
I need to say a few things, and yes, I am playing devil's advocate here, how do you know he isn't right and you are wrong or vice versa? The fact that none of us are capable of reading these texts as he does, lends itself for more learning, instead of saying, "Well, the dude looks crazy, talks crazy and might be on drugs." GIVE ME EXAMPLES, facts, or how he is reading this wrong... otherwise you look like a proud fool with nothing to add in terms of context or knowledge. We need to know. This will change the way people look at Jesus and history in general.
I did an entire stream on my channel last week, where I laid out just a handful of the mountains of evidence for why we know that the LXX was translated from Hebrew originals.
@@DrKippDavislol no you didn’t. You aren’t qualified to determine if the Greek came first. Lol
@@MandyMoorehol Can you provide me a good explanation for the variety of differences in the Greek text where the infinitive absolute appears in Hebrew? How did this happen when translating the Greek text into Hebrew, and why do the Hebrew translation all suddenly make more sense as a result?
@@DrKippDavis lol Kippy, Hebrew is a Greek language. People have been explaining this for over 100 years I’m sorry your understanding of this is out of date. You should be embarrassed for not knowing this, but it’s outside your expertise so I can’t expect you to know this stuff. Again, you don’t know what you are talking about Kippy. Stay in your lane.
@@MandyMoorehol You did not respond to my question about the infinitive absolute. I will wait...