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In 30k yes, in 40k he is a lighthouse
Um, hello? Based department?
Nice try inquisitor. I am not falling for this trick
YARRICK LIVES
Just the idea that while Yarrick is micro-managing every facet of planetary defense, the Imperial Cult keeps sending spam his way to probe like "commune with the God Emperor with this easy trick! (THE ECCLESIARCHY DOES NOT WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS)"
Hi commissar yarrick. I'm a huge fan of your works
@@Mecceldorfthey've got his brain in a jar running calculations
Wrong answer, heretic! *Bolter blast*
by definition he was a tyrant. His rule was absolut. He did not tolerate divergence.
Thus, the Inquisition were innocent people, by the millions, were slaughtered.
So are the rulers of any fiction leader in 40k. He is the emperor of mankind. He, by definition, has absolute rule as he holds the title of emperor.
@@krishkrish8213so is the president a tyrant
Was. Key here is was.
That’s not the definition of a tyrant. You can be a dictator but not a tyrant. A tyrant is cruel, malevolent, sadistic, and oppressive. That wasn’t the Emperor.
Yes, he rules with an iron fist and was more than willing to use violence to achieve his ends.
BUT, his motivation was not sadism or cruelty for power’s sake. It was always in pursuit of humanity’s best interests.
Objectively he is a tyrant
He launched a galactic crusade that forced the annexation of a million planets , some doing perfectly well in confederations with advanced tech
No, he was a tyrant.
That’s not a tyrant though. You can use violence and dictatorial power structures but not be a tyrant. The motivations matter. Big E was not interested in power for power’s sake, but for the sake of the human species.
Only united humanity can survive and he knows that
Humanity hasn’t be united in over 10 millennia and they’re still the dominant force in the galaxy. If the Emperor really thought what he was doing was benevolent or necessary he had been drinking his own cool aid.
@@DAAllan82 That's a tyrant. Every tyrant that I can think of says that they're doing it for their nation/race/species/tribe. They may use any justification that they want, but that doesn't change that they are a tyrant.
"The difference is I *know* I am right."
*Proceeds to be wrong at literally everything*
Nikaea.
He should have left Angron on Nuceria to his fate
@@dfell1236 Or better yet, helped him.
@@dfell1236fatherly feelings seemingly prevented that cause bffr did they really need Angron
@dfell1236 True and it isn't because I hate Angron it is because it's the better fate
The GOAT of being a tyrant, in fact
I like Leto II better. But Big E is still kinda rad.
By any possible definition: Yes!
He is a military strong-man, who came to supremely executive power on the back of conquest and war. He created a system of Government best described as Supreme Monarchy with a ruling King and a court of bureaucrats, nobles and military commanders.
His sons held high status as defacto Princes of the Imperium, and the Government was lead by a chosen farvorite (Malcador)
Tyrant is the right word.
I disagree that's a poor definition that would technically class every possible government as being part of tyranny I see the emperor as that an emperor a conqueror and unifier simple as hes no lawless despot nor unnecessarily cruel butcher
@@durrangodsgrief6503yeah i was about to say that means just about every successful leader is a tyrant then
Niccolo Machiavelli wrote of a benevolent dictator. I like to think this is what Big E intended, initially.
@@durrangodsgrief6503 Imagine missing the point this hard.
Hello is this the inquisition hotline I would like to report a dam heretic and traitor
Short answer: yes
Long answer: Yeeeeeessss
you beat me to it 😁
Short answer: Yes
Long answer: I could’ve kept going much longer, yes.
@Birb_of_Judge lol username checks out
Proper answer: Yes, and? 😎
Not entirely
pretty much textbook definition of a tyrant... wether he means well or not (debatable) is secondary, he's a tyrant by his methods
Short answer, yes. Long answer, also yes.
Yes but he's still daddy 😊
@wessthemess117 the biggest
Has anyone stopped to consider that the Emperor honored the deal he made with Chaos. He provided them with a dystopian galaxy of endless war, and they promised him ascension upon his death, but he's not fully dead.
The emperor isn't really at risk of any "real" death. He is a perpetual and can just come back alive but he was checkmated by the big 4 into staying on the torture throne to keep humanity together.
I sort of have to a degree. Its kind of the fun of the Emperor he's so secretive and so old beyond reckoning that trying to for sure 100% discern his endgame is impossible. I have my pretty firm ideas but ultimately I do want him to have some unknowable endgoal because if his endgoal is actually just what he says it is.....he's kind of a boring fuck up for someone so ancient. Like my guy how did you not see these constant obvious bad decisions every step of the way especially with your sons. But if his real goal is beyond my understanding then I can just go "well maybe it makes sense in 6d 20k years old chess"
Quite frankly, it is entirely possible that he planned to become the human equivalent of Slaneesh. An elder evil with an automatic claim to all human souls.
@NineSeptims actually the emperor is constantly dying a resurrecting everyday while power the golden throne and that is the reason why more and more psykers must be fed to it daily
@NineSeptims wait, was it actually the 4 fuckheads plan to keep Da Emporah on his golden toilet? Is that "canon"?
"An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded."
It’s how I ensnare my prey. In the open maze I can understand my enemy until he begs me for release
The Emperor of mankind thinks he knows everything about Everything. Erda basically says this "when he's right, he's right. When he's wrong he's also right." Several scientists who worked on his astartes project also said the same thing.
I dont know how one could say no to this question. More like was he a tyrant with good intentions
Every tyrant claims to have good intentions . The road to hell is paved with good intentions
@@commissaryarrick9670ok except horus actually wanted to go to hell literally lol
He may have actually had good intentions at least he thought they were good.
Most tyrants do.
Good intent makes no difference.
The question that matters is, was he right?
Indeed abadon is a space marine But being a champion of all four chaos gods that kind of power can make your body do strange things And grow and swell in size!
So that was kind of a no brainer question considering what chaos did for Horus.
He absolutely is a tyrant, even the other perpetuals knew that and they left because of it
"Tyrant" is too light a word for the Emperor. For all his noble intentions, the death and oppression he inflicted on humanity and the galaxy as a whole were on a scale beyond imagination.
Amen
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The long night was literally MUCH worse than anything the emperor did. He literally saved humanity from worse that didn’t need imagining…
@@DAAllan82 say that to the many many human civilisations He crushed and obliterated.
He had to do all of those things to unite most of humanity he always kept saying there is not enough time like he knew thqt somwthing bad was about to happen
I thought the emperors plan was to use the webway to travel around the galaxy without using the warp, not put everyone inside of the webway.
Same, everything I've heard was that he wanted to end humanity's reliance on the warp for space travel.
It’s both, the use of the pocket dimension would allow humanity to ascend (psionic power fully realized, every man woman and child a custodies, etc) without interference from the Chaos gods. Once that was done they would return to real space and blend it with the warp with humanity at the helm.
@@st.dennie1149no he was cutting the psionic power away and ending warp usage, breaking the primordial beings power on humanity. But sadly humanity must use warp tech and psionic abilities because of erebus
@@michaelstart5395 That's not true at all. The Emperor's concern was that a nascently psionic human race would be too susceptible to the warp's influence, they needed to be tempered and shaped before returning to the galaxy. The Emperor's plan was literally the antithesis of the Chaos entities. Instead of the warp taking control of real space the warp would be controlled by Humanity.
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Thunder Warriors are essentially proto World Eaters.
Your content is top tier stuff, man. Right there with Luetin. It’s nice to listen to and watch these lore videos with a real human speaking. Keep it up!
Tyrant doesn’t mean evil, I believe it means absolute power. I think the Greeks used it that way.
The only difference between the Emperor and past tyrants (according to himself) is he is right. lmao
He is a tyrant because he needs to be. However he truly loves and cares about humanity, or he would not have decided to spend 10,000+ years on a golden porta potty, in horrible pain just to keep them alive longer
I agree
Since 2nd ed, which is where I started, I have held that the Emperor is just another Chaos God duping humanity as well .
Best scenario: 'the road to hell...'
19:26 this why he cares more about makeing the empire,then helping people or planets.
Than
Uh I dunno. How wet is the ocean? How hot is the sun?
On another note i would totally listen to you narrating an audiobook
“I don’t want to be king”
-Abaddon
The Emperor is the Tyrant mankind needs in the grim dark future so we will view him as such. He will be the hero mankind needs, but now he must be the Tyrant. Never test thy lord.
Dude sick Big E art on the thumbnail!
Terra needed a tyrant, and any kind of anti-authoritarian sentiment is utterly pointless in regard to the emperor, he knew what the future holds and was the only man capable of guiding humanity in the proper direction, one cannot say "Oh but he was just another man like me" when examining the emperor.
This made abundantly clear during the unification wars, when other independent kingdoms were left to their own devices they descended into utter depravity and madness.
I feel like the whole haha he's just a well meaning tyrant line is a really basic interpretation of his role and motives.
Do bears shit in the woods? Of course he’s a tyrant. Man could’ve cured cancer and given everyone free puppies and still be a tyrant. No amount of noble sacrifice and good intentions make him not a tyrant. I don’t know what you’re on about.
The Emperor is HEAVILY inspired by God Emperor Lehto II from Children of Dune
Yeah but I think his motivations make some amount more sense as opposed to the God Emperor of Mankind. They're at the least more interesting. Big E is just like I do tyranny because I think its a great idea and Lehto was like I do tyranny to push humanity away from tyrannical rule out into the stars. That's way more interesting.
@@Pragabondok explain your government strategy to unify mankind against demon gods
@@PragabondIf you read the books you might learn something about the Emperor instead of fan-fiction and memes.
@@durrangodsgrief6503 and...how did that worked out?
@@Lost7oneI read them. He is a moron who doomed humanity infinitely more for until our extinction. Good job Big E!
Of course he is, what kind of silly question is that
The Fate of the Thunder Warriors is the fate of all who serve the god Emperor.
In many ways, i see the Emperor in a similar light to Leto II The God Emoeror of Dune. A man transcending his humanity to save humanity from oblivion and destruction. There are differences of course, but i see similarities too. The last Church is a great story. Very cool video, pretty much every autocrat "knows" they are right. A big differnce between Leto the GEoD and the emperor of mankind is Leto knew he would be betrayed but refused to look to see who would do it and when it would happen, the Emperor was oblivious to the Horus problem and made foolish mistakes that lead inadvertently to his own "destruction" its a fascinating comparison. So didmfferent and so similar.
The night hunter only sees the enemies getting to the place,
and can only see failing to get there.
He's not a tyrant, he is THE tyrant.
What you said about Abbaddon highlights another issue with Primarchs coming back. The universe begins to focus on them. It makes what is already here pathetic by comparison.
We all know Huron should be the true “anti-imperium leader” but if he were now, it’s all in comparison to Primarchs.
The Emperor is possibly the best example of the Greek concept of Tyranny in fiction. Most Greek Polis were essentially run by Mafia-like cabals of Elites who cared only for their own family interests and bled the state and it's common people dry for their own benefit.
A Tyrant, on the other hand, would be a single person who rose up to rule absolutely whose power typically stemmed from a popular mandate. This Tyrant, knowing that the only thing that gave him legitimacy and kept his head on his shoulders was massive popular support, would typically do everything he could to butter up the commoners through land redistribution, lowering taxes, and reducing the power of the aristocratic elite who preyed upon them.
A reason why the term 'Tyrant', which most people of the day considered a great thing, has such a negative connotation is that ALL our sources from that era are from rich aristocrats who were very, very mad that their organized crime-style domination of life was being challenged.
Could Tyrants abuse their power? Absolutely, but was it worse than being run by what is essentially an Organized Crime Syndicate? Most peasants in ancient Greece didn't think so. In fact, Tyrannies collapsed when successor tyrants couldn't keep their side of the bargain with the people and they let the Aristocrats ultimately get too much power back.
Short of a system of actual popular representation where common people had a voice and could hold those in power to accountability it was the best system going for a common man. The Emperor's reign certainly had a similar effect on most regular people on Terra.
I would love to see another galaxy in the warhammer 40k setting
No. And more than that, He is a God. You cannot change my mind.
Without order there is chaos, The Emperor brings order to the universe.
Hello Amber King! Thank you so much for this insightful video!
I believe that this question is a difficult one and not as clear-cut as some may have us believe.
*Spoilers ahead for Siege of Terra books!*
The End and the Death books, specifically the Malcador chapters, seem to suggest the Emperor adopts aspects that he feels are necessary to achieve his goals. Personally, I don't think the Emperor set out to be a tyrant and had noble intentions for humanity. Because of his visions and the threat of Chaos, he chose the path he thought was the best for humanity. And there is also the fact that without his intervention in the Unification Wars, humanity was going to be extinct: so he did save us. Oh, and I do not buy in the "secret deal on Molech" theory because everyone who brings that up is an unreliable source of information.
The 30k Imperium is no 100% paradise, but ten times better than 40k Imperium which devolved into a ruthless dictatorship without the Emperor and Malcador's guidance or even the presence of Snaguinuis. In the current timeline, Guilliman is trying to make a little better with his reforms. The Emperor is also indeed trapped in his current course as you said Amber King: but that is because he foresaw entrapment on the Throne as a possible future, and "The Outcast Dead" book shows he was willing to make that sacrifice for the sake of humanity and to deny Chaos their total victory. And 10,000 years in constant pain on the Throne is what I see as the Emperor's penance for his many mistakes and sins throughout the millennia.
The End and the Death Volumes II and III solidified to me the nobleness of the Emperor: the fact he gave up the power of the Dark King!!! Is this what a tyrant would do? I don't think so. And the fact he went to face Horus on a playing field that favored the Lupercal and the Chaos Gods, but he still gave it his all. And also the fact that it was the people's worship of the Master of Mankind that helped him defeat Horus! So there are good qualities to the Emperor as a person.
The main issue with a lot of Emperor-related stuff is we never get his POV: which means the accounts we have are people around him who are all inherently biased either for or against him. Which means, there is still many gaps in knowledge to know the truth of matters: but that is why I love 40k so much! Enduring mysteries to keep things interesting!
Anyway, those are my 2 cents. I hope you are doing well!
Tyrants don't really plan on retiring. The Emperor set up the Imperial Senate and planned on disappearing from the front stage after his work was done. If anything, he was acting more like someone given the temporary title of dictator in the Roman Republic.
My man, check out why youtube kinda locked the quality at 720p. I mean, I don't "watch" your videos, I hear them, but there is a difference even in the voice at 720p.
Keep up the good work, I cannot even tell how many times I watched the Erebus' video, or the Trazyn's, you and Luetin are the 2 voices that I have to go to sleep. Thanks for your videos, and the quality you always put on them, that's not a crime lore at all.
i read the title wrong at first...
is the emperor a tyranid ?🤣😅
Talk about stating the obvious. Let’s not forget that it’s the Astronomicon attracting the Tyranids, so hats of to Tha Emp. (“Tha Empz name iz deth,” Biff Tundrish, Astartes of the Imperial Fists).
On a slightly more serious note, has there ever been a tyrant that was not certain of their own righteousness? Ideologues of political, religious or philosophical dogma have all believed they were doing the right thing. This arguably peaked with the political ideologies of the early to mid twentieth century; with greater populations and technological and scientific capabilities, came a greater sense of purpose.
It may well be the case that rationalism is every bit as dangerous as any ideology that came before it. My favourite theme of the early HH books is the juxtaposition of the burgeoning, rational Imperium (liberal autocracy?) against the fascistic, totalitarian theocracy that it became. The Emperor's own self-confidence was perhaps the fuel that spurred that greater than anything else.
In that, The Emperor evokes the CS Lewis quote for me: "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive."
Possibly the most unneeded question for WH40K lol
11:33 I think he got rid of religion, not because he didn't think such 'beings" were out there, I just think he could see how easily a religious person can be manipulated to chaos, and how easily ones look for gods, like his own sons.
He was definitely a tyrant. The only real question is if he is a benevolent or malevolent one
I suppose there is the third option of indifferent
Yes. To be more specific for anyone interested look for the concept "Enlightened Despot"
He absolutely is a tyrant and a tyrant of a God. And he's not at all happy about it. There's a starchild out there to prove it. That's why it's such a tragic tale. And how could he be anything but a tyrant when faced with these threats in a state bereft of all love and compassion?
That's a really horrible thing to imagine when you thinking about it.
36:00 from what I've read, chaos is linked to humanity, just as humanity is linked to chaos. One cannot exist without the other. And that, is the giant paradox facing mankind and its future in the material realm.
I think the implication is that the warp is universal, but localized when interacting with material beings constrained by physical volume and linear time. It’s a matter of perspective. Daemons of another galaxy’s creation are busy corrupting their own, etc.
The extragalactic hive mind shadow in the warp came from somewhere, after all.
He is a legitimate human being, legend, and a MAN
I've gotta ask, have you guys taken any inspiration from the Magnus Archives? I get a bit of a similar vibe and I really enjoy it for both shows! Great videos, they brought me into 40k.
He is most definitely. But a tyrant humanity needs, the chaos alternative is just not an acceptable one
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heresy!
Heresy? At this hour?
HAHAHAHA.
Oh, you were serious.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Yes.
He absolutely is. The question is whether or not he had good reasons.
Did he do it to save mankind or to make himself a god?
Im still waiting for Dante to bitch slap Abbadon in defense of Big Daddy E. Unless that piece of lore about Dantes visions have changed. Succeed where his father could not.
Pretty hard to argue otherwise really
Not in the 40k community. Mother fuckers live and breathe defending Big E for no reason other than pure brainrot
The Emperor had many names and faces throughout human history. The one he chose to have when he was together with Erda was Neoth.
Well, yeah. Tyranny is kind of inherent to being an Emperor.
I think one of the worst parts of the universe, is that what was clearly in universe propaganda has now become the actual reality of things.
The Emperor, who was once nearly killed by an Ork, is now the most powerful being in the universe.
Nah. That was a test for Horus, which he passed, unfortunately.
*Is The Master Of Mankind a tyrant?...*
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Short awnser. Yes.
Long awnser. Heck yes.
Sir! You are one of the best on the planet, when it comes to narration of W40K. I like your voice very very much! I always enjoy immersing myself in art (and the music!) you present in your videos. But seeing you while you narrate distracts me.
Nevertheless thank you for awesome content and please do not stop creating it! :D
[edit] I might have misread the convention of this video:P
no he's just built different (unironically his and the imperium at large's argument)
I’m calling the Kommissar
A finely researched and narrated video. My first encounter with the Emperor was The Realms of Chaos: The Lost and the Damned. Although I'm only about half way through the Horus Heresy series, mostly listening on audio books now, I'm still not sure I have an absolute conclusion. He is, however, undoubtedly a dick.
The intro song sounds like something, but I can't place it. It also reminds me of "talk amongst yourselves" by Grand National, sorta. The Emperor is like the embodiment of Humanity, both the good and the bad. He also only cared about "humanity", he didn't care about individual humans. The old origin with the Shamen all drinking poison and combining their souls and popping into one baby is the better story, but I kind of like the stuff that says "actually, he's a genetically engineered psychic weapon from the DAoT". Him cheating the Chaos Gods to get the power to create the primarchs is very Promethean. Anyway, he's been eating thousands of souls every day for 10,000 years, so he's probably doing fine. I wonder if he gets the soul energy of believers when they die.
Holy shit 2 videos in 1 week, your spoiling us my man lol another straight BANGER! Hail The King
Would be far easier to ask "is the emperor not a tyrant?" 😂
Uriah in his limited life, in his last moments could saw that what The Emperor in his countless lifes could never saw
Humans desire to be Human and as long that desire exists no imperial truth could ever be truly impose
That is the thing I find interesting about the atheistic IoM AND the religious IoM. They both think humanity is the bestest while also absolutely hating the human spirit in so many ways. No being spiritual is allowed vs your spirituality must be within this one box. Either way it just crushes humanity underfoot and absolutely guarantees it won't last.
Both plans are short sighted but I also think its because the Emperor is so old he's actually forgot what being human is even like. Not to mention he's pretty much been a god-being his whole life so he likely never understood why regular humans might seek comfort in things like that or that its inseparable from humanity.
I think he had some good intentions but was an asshole about a lot of things. Right now he is just a battery for the astronomican. I hope he stays a battery. If he ever gets off the throne he will just go back to being an asshole with a few good intentions.
Except for the fact that its actually the best case scenario as thanks to the galaxy spanning rift in space-time the Chaos Gods are now starting to manifest Avatars into the Materium... not Greater Daemons of great power just straight up Avatars of the Chaos Gods themselves who can cleave whole solar systems and fleets out of existence.
@@Xo-3130 Did not know that. Good point.
I have always thought Ol'P was a bit of a hipocrite in the destruction of the tower of bable. He knew enough to speak the language and destroy a building but when Big E wanted to study the thing Ol'P had already knowledge of, he stabs him and destroys the knowledge.
In SoT book 1, Emperor was also Alexander the Great, so he was in the forefront of action even after the tower of Babel was destroyed....
He never claimed to be a democratic leader, I think he's actually quite proud to be a dictator
I wonder if the mentioning of the beasts below the water in the emperor's speech has anything to do with what the lion saw after finally awakening when he saw the dark shadows in the water. Book the lion son of the forest.
😂😂😂😂irony,theres a border patrol ad. under the video.
Its good the internet sees border and tyrant connected.
As the Emperor does not truly rule in the 41st Millenium abd hasn't since the 31st, he is more a figurehead/godhead of the Imperium right now. He speaks through subtle messaging and psychic visions. The Imperium however? It is a totalitiarian confederacy.
The Emperor is a perfect divine being, even if we are too foolish to understand it.
no,he may have been a divine being but he was not perfect for the same reason the chaos "gods" aren't,,,,
as i heard it said in another fiction ip:
"He thinks he is a god,but he is wrong an ya wanna know why?
Because gods don't F- UP"
@@omegamark9178 The Emperor remained in his mortal form, chained to humanity despite his divinity. It is only natural for this to restrain his mind too.
Additionally, Warhammer isn't a monotheistic setting. Gods most certainly do fuck up, yet they remain perfect divine in contrast to imperfect mortality despite this.
The emperor was a tyrant but only because that's what humanity needed if it needed a kind leanient ruler he would appear as such but that isn't what was required the emperor is only what humanity needed him to be cruel or not he was the necessary evil.
We need a Fabius bile lore dive🗣️
Thank you inquisition and Amber King for rooting out heretics in our midst. Our democratic and non-tyrannical Emperor benefit from your service as do I. Emperor light your path.
19:26 tell a custodes to go to the shore to see the awnsers,
but not the night hunter...
You should not make an equivalence between Calgar and Abaddon. The Warmaster won their duel with barely and wounds and little difficulties.
Amber King, what is the music on the thank page? The last few minutes of the video?
Yes.
BUT.
Everything points to the idea that he rushed hastily on basically every possible front, while making several miscalculations in the process. I think the Imperium we see, wich is a degeneration of the one during the Crusade, was his idea of "first step", a highly militarized society to conquer and maintain control on the Galaxy in the shortest time possible, before demilitarizing it.
Cult of personality? Eeeeeh, kind of, lots of talks about secular superiority, but my man E Money walked around as he did, and he DID put his own vision as fulcrum of the work.
Imposing of his will on everyone, no matter the cost? Through excessive, unquantifiable, utter violence? Yep. Though he did saw, and probably tried, other routes before, I'm sure of that.
Didn't help the fact he was against a whole swats of active and future menaces the likes of wich nothing from Old Night could compare (yes, Judgment Day terminators, warp storms and unbound psichers are bad... But four active chaos gods? The necrons bound to wake up, sooner or later? The Tyranids? Yeah, those are bad bad).
That being said, yeah, he was inhuman, and tyrant doesn't begin cut it, but I'm pretty sure his project was the safest bet on the table given what we know.
a tyrant for sure but a benevolent tyrant
(😂😂😂some1 deleted my comment because i showed the emporor had choices.)
Use spaceship weopons.
Drop pod for marines.
Send spaceships to attack stuff in space.
Talk to them.
TELIPORT TERMINATERS.
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He didnt care about saveing the people,or angron.
He only cared about getting an army to fight to controll.
He doesnt care about people or planets.
He either wants to save every1.
Or he doesnt care.
the even ask the question is to entirely miss the point of the setting