@@adbjr12Lol yeah same. I'm always just like "I didn't do shit don't thank me" Hell I didn't even finish my first contract since my knee caps got in the wrong place so they just booted me early.
@@adbjr12 Just because you are a vet from a non-combat corp/ branch doesn’t mean you are any less qualified for a general “thanks for your service mate”. The non- combat corps/branches are equally important as the combat ones in seeing that any military achieves its mission. For instance, a cook might not be clearing buildings but when the grunt and SpecFor blokes get back to base who is there to feed them a meal better than MREs.
Grey Knight Grandmaster, realizing that he's going to be in the middle of a dick-measuring contest between the wolves and the inquisition: "Not this again..."
A couple other things I want to point out about the Months of Shame: 1) To kill the Grand Master of the Grey Knights, Grimnar sprinted *IN TERMINATOR ARMOR*, a feat which, at the time, was thought IMPOSSIBLE. Usually terminators are deployed as slow, lumbering, damage sponges to spearhead front assaults, or more tactically, use their teleport to strike key targets. Point is, in neither scenarios they are meant to be swift, they are meant to absorb shitloads of damage, and pack just as much punch to dish out. Only thing that makes them a good ambush unit is their teleport homer, that gives them any sense of speed/tactical flexibility beyond just being a slow, tanky moving target. And Grimnar said "fuck all that", and actually moved with a speed that armor wasn't designed to allow you to achieve. No wonder the Grand Master was completely blindsided by the assault: it wasn't thought possible. Maybe only thanks to psychic powers you'd be able to achieve something similar, but Grimnar never had any. 2) The Months of Shame has been regarded as one of the biggest Imperium internals wars, since the Horus Heresy, maybe not by its sheer scale, but in its implication. Not only loyal space marines were yet again at each other throats, but an entire first founding chapter's home world was under siege, causing massive casualties on both sides. If Kysnaros wasn't put down there and then, things would have kept escalating to a full scale war, spanning multiple systems. Kysnaros would have retreated to gather more allies, not just the other Ordos, but other Inquisition loyal space marine chapters, Grey Knights, Death Watch, Minotaurs, and more. Meanwhile, as word spread out of the conflict, other first founding chapters wouldn't have wasted a second to side with the Wolves to dethrone the power hungry inquisition that had been on everyone's ass for millennia now. Thanks to the reckless actions of 1 man, the Imperium came this close from full, blown out, full scale civil war. This is counting Kysnaros dodging out of the way of all assassinations attempt by the other agents of the Inquisition itself, of course. 3) I'm pretty sure Grey Knights didn't leave on "bad terms" with the Wolves. The Wolves certainly could still covet a measure of distrust, even tho they still felt great respect for the Knights, since they too were a massive instrument in the defense of Armageddon, but the Grey Knights know full well they fucked up, not for nothing they named the conflict "the Months of Shame". They look at this part of history with great anguish and regret, like a stain on their chapter's honor.
As a grey knight player I've seen this is the reason why they are now just deamon hunters again and don't really care as much about a random guardsmen of any regiment seeing chaos. The months of shame accidentally fixed their most grimderp lore in my eyes.
Slight correction for your first point. The scene where Grimnar was sprinting was quite a while after killing the Grand Master. The way he actually did it is even more baller. He’s literally just standing in front of the Grand Master and goes from simply standing there, to swinging his axe at the guy’s throat in the blink of an eye. We actually see this in 30k when a Space Wolf and the Lion have their traditional honor duel (the Space Wolf goes from no movement to the swing just as quickly but the Lion perfectly catches it when the blade is millimeters from his neck, and Guilliman is there as well and admits to himself that he wouldn’t have seen that blow coming). The main Grey Knight character that the book follows has a brief inner monologue on how the Grand Master was a master duelist and how one skill such a fighter needs is the ability to anticipate your opponent’s moves. Grimnar moved so fast that the Grand Master didn’t even get his twin swords out of their sheaths before dying.
Fun thing that Normaly if grey knights enter battle field where other marines are they are mind wiped of that encounter. After months of shame wolves forced grey knights tell front of the hole chapter how they are, what is their purpose. Big shame to greys and wolves are free of this mind wipe protocol even if inqusitor would order it.
I just want to acknowledge Hyperion, one of the cool named Grey Knights who played hide and seek on a cruiser with a greater daemon before even becoming an aspirant, broke Angron's blade hard enough it never respawned, plotted with the other Grey Knights to deal with the mad inquisitor themselves before Logan solved the problem with Space Wolf efficiency. He also unblanked a blank through repeated exposure and nearly doomed a sector to being consumed by a greater daemon as a kid because he was doing warp drugs.
Inquisitor: i am going to eat a cat. Grimnar: that is disgusting and (in my opinion) kinda cruel. Please don't do it again. Inquisitor: i will eat another.
Grey KNights: We use psykers and rituals to combat daemons for the imperium. Space Wolves: Oh *joy*, nerds to bully, let's show you what we do to psykers that fuck with us.
The best part not talked about is Bjorn calling Logan Grimnar a young pup and then going full Doc McCoy about having to use a teleporter for the first time and hating it.
@@sonicwingnut I love how he uses his Dreadnought claw to gently turn her head when checking her out. He’s so calm and kind to her that I’m pretty sure it makes her cry more than she already was when she saw him.
Why do I get the feeling that Bjorn's one of the few dreadnoughts who isn't miserable the whole time he's awake? Compared to someone like Malcharion, he seems to take his interment in stride.
Fun fact about the Nurgle infestation mentioned in the Inquisition apology part: One these Guardsmen was back from fighting the Death Guard, his last action before being sent to Iax for medical care was running up to a Chaos Marines, putting the Barrel of his Lasgun in the CSM’s neck joint and unloading his power cell in the traitor’s head. Man had balls of steel and he still caused the whole Plague Wars to happen…
@@consolescrub4031 the Guardsman I’m referring to came from Dark Imperium. The name of the Gaurdsman was Bolus. Idk about Lords of Silence since I haven’t read it. Yes the Plague Marine did die and it fell on him, nearly drowning him with the mixture of mud, blood and other fluids (Plague Marine after all). He only got out after a dozen of his fellow Guardsmen lifted the body just enough to get him out. It’s a wonder he didn’t get infected with anything other than Nurgle’s Rot after that experience, but he did kill that Plague Marine.
To play Devil's Advocate, the Eldar Empire losing religion, casting their gods into Iconaclast's Mound, and falling into depravity can be linked to a lot of the problems in the galaxy. If the Eye of Terror wasn't there, the four prophets of Colchis would never have been able to make the Pilgrimage, for example.
Unfortunatally for the Grey Knights, they forgot two things about themselves. First: they are Astates, really beefed up ones, but marines none the less. Second: Due to the magnus shard being fused with their first chapter master, they are technically thousands sons, and guess what the Space Wolves fancy themselves specialists in killing?
To be honest, I'm surprised that the wolves army hasn't leaned more into being anti Spyker, like having their runes actually work against them. I don't play tabletop, so they might do that, and I just don't know about it
In order for Logan Grimnar’s ship to return to Fenris in time, their Rune Priests had to burn themselves out fatally to give the ship an extraordinary speed boost. Logan ordered that their names would be remembered and honored.
Which is why he was so pissed off. The Wolves take the term "Brother" literally when they become astartes. These are not "battle brothers" to the wolves...they are kin. When your kin dies just so you can do your job? Oh...you are ready to enter the berserker fury the exact second the enemy is in your sights.
Is it actually impossible or is it highly improbable. It made it very clear that the joints of his armor were smoking because he did this. It sounds like terminator armor wasn’t designed with sprinting in mind but it’s possible at the cost of damaging the armor.
The wolves are probably one of the best suited marines to fight the grey knights, resistant to sorcery, the emperor’s executions ready made to kill space marines, versus the specialized demon hunters. Grey knights are powerful but made for a different purpose
yeah. not many people stop to think about how very specialised grey knights are when talking about power levels between space marines. sure they are an elite force with top of the line gear and training, but their focus is on daemons and not space marines, so good veteran warriors like grimnar and good tactical minds like dante will be able to beat the grey knights.
The space wolves were outmatched in every engagement. Single Grey knights wrecked space wolves and the only reason Grimnar was able to kill the grandmaster was because he did something exceptional
@@noahp2014That is completely untrue 😂 after the wolves started fighting back they won every single engagement. Hyperion is literally lamenting that they keep coming across slaughtered Grey Knight ships.
Depression, but also a smile. The Wolves are doing exactly as Russ would have wanted. Sinking their teeth into ANYONE that threatens humanity. Guilliman was also pleased with every chapter that maintained some semblance of legion strength. The codex he wrote were guidelines and was NEVER meant to be taken as literal rules.
I disagree. I think, after the time he spent around Faffnr Bludbroder, the guy who literally went 1v1 with the Lion, he'd just smile a little, nod, mumble "Yeah, checks out." and file it away under "Things that have been handled"
@@mileselon1339 It's a vague concept at most and the rules are only ever mentioned in lore, but considering Guilliman wrote it for space marine use, it's safe to say it's not possible to summarize. "This text became a major part of his legacy and the cornerstone upon which the future of the Adeptus Astartes would be based. No complete copies of his original text is known to exist although the majority of his tome has survived and is available to all Space Marines, if not committed to memory. Though for all its multitudinous topics, the most lasting and contentious decree of the Codex Astartes was that the existing Space Marine Legions be broken up and reorganised into smaller, one-thousand-warrior organisations known as Chapters."
@@mileselon1339 Well. Considering stuff like how the Emperor did NOT want to be worshipped... Let's just say it is very 40K for guidelines and suggestions to end up as strict doctrine.
Maybe I missed it but I feel it's worth noting that when the grey knights and inquisition arrived the space wolves said they don't want their help if they start culling the humans afterwards and made the inquisition promise not to do so. Which they then went completely back on their word because their fingers were crossed behind their back when making the promise
Logan: Hey, these guys just stood their ground against my Uncle, Angron. Maybe these guys get a pass? Inquisition: How about "No". Logan: How about "Doing it anyway"!
Couple of fun facts to tag on to this episode: 1) Logan's axe is actually a reforged blade of Khorne he took off of a Chapion of Khorne after his weapon broke in combat. 2) Fenris has also been seiged by the ecclesiarchy during whats now known as "The Fenris Incident" on grounds of Heresy. 😅
I have to say I rly don't like how he can just wield the axe like whatever, while castellan crowe who's supposed to be like a particularly pure grey knight struggles to wield his chaos blade Bit of inconsistencies there.....
@@Big_Bread_Fan I'm thinking the main difference is a blade actually possessed by a powerful demon (Crowe) and a weapon that just happened to be wielded by a chaos champion for some time (Grimnar)
@@Big_Bread_Fan Grimnar axe is simply the weapon of a champion, it is probably infused with some chaos energy but nothing more. Crowe's on the other hand wields a weapon with (at least) a greater daemon inside but more likely a daemon prince. It's not inconsistent, these are two very different weapons.
@catalin2766 oh okay I had the impression that Grimnars axe would take the same force of will and effort, so seeing him wield it better than a grey knight left me confused 😅
There is also during the age of appostacy during the plague of unbelief, Fenris got under siege by an apostate cardinal named Bukaris and a massive part of his army and fleet.
The Months of Shame showed what the Space Wolves truly were. That they were more than just Astartes. That they are a bulwark against the terror. That they are the defenders of humanity. That they are space marines, and they know no fear.
Space wolves are surprisingly based and kind of chads for telling the inquisition to piss off. The Emperors gift book is actually really good and I do recommend it to anyone who’s interested in the months of shame. It also has a cannon FENRISIAN MUSCLE MOMMY INQUISITOR.
Just a bit of a note. All Chapter Masters know about the Grey Knights. In fact it was Grimnar that requested their aid on the first war for Armageddon in the first place.
Seems like something only certain writers knew or cared about. Pretty sure there's plenty of stories where the grey knights show up and nobody even on the astartes side knows who they are
@@Azzabackam the Inquisition had to look at itself after this and go "damn, we're acting like the ATF rn, this is a new low" Then proceeded to delete all ties to Inquisitor Kyle.
If I recall correctly it's something along those lines. Also I think it's a subtle reference to the Bequin Series where we are introduced to the "Grails" that serve the Yellow King@@lornbaker1083
@@AngryHomunculus There's a good interview with Dan Abnett about how they wrote The Siege of Terra where he mentions all the writers getting together to figure some things out.
The best part of The First War of Armageddon is that the Grey Knight who broke Angron’s sword, Hyperion, was actually a character from the Ravenor series. Literally the guy who shattered a Daemon-Primarch’s sword entered the series as a fucking child junkie drug-runner who got caught and recruited by Inquisitor Ravenor. That junkie “grows-up” to be the adamantine-ball swinging Grey Knight to look at Angron’s fucking sword and go “nu-uh.”
Always love that while the Salamanders are the poster boys of caring about humanity amongst the space marine chapters, the Space Wolves seem to care just as much without needing to have the spotlight constantly shown on their good deeds. Both are perfectly acceptable as the Emperor’s goodest boys…
That bit about realizing how badass military grandparents is sooooo real. My grandpa was a fighter pilot and I remember seeing someone literally fall off his bike to salute him on base.
A saying I learned a long time ago and I like to adhere to: “When you see someone with some grey hairs in a profession where men die young, you damn well listen to what he has to say.”
Having read the Emperor's Gift, Bricky is not doing the Bjorn scene justice. First Inquisitor Anika (the Fenrisian) bowed, crying. Then the Grey Knight kneeled. Then Lord Inquisitor Kyznaros, seeing who he was, knelt and bowed. Lord Inquisitor Kyle, the shitter himself, knelt and bowed in respect. Bjorn: "Oh not you too!!!" He did then make the request for a penitent crusade, but in the book he is far more sympathetic. He basically was out of his depth, and was trying to desperately come up with any reason NOT to bomb the Fang. He knew it was akin to heresy. But also in his eyes he WAS the authority of the Emperor, and the Wolves NEEDED to respect it.
I like how during the final battle, Anika actually kind of sides with the Space Wolves and shoots some of the bridge crew and I think even a Grey Knight since they were attacking her home planet.
As a Greyknight fan I always say the months of shame is a good story for us as it serves as a reminder that we are not all powerful and really humbled us
@@kaxdrathe Grandmaster was laughing at the whole affair: ‘Castor, get me a link to Lord Joros on the Fire of Dawn.’ While I waited, I watched the beleaguered Scramaseax rolling in the void - a wounded animal baring its belly. ‘Karabela?’ ‘It’s Hyperion. What am I seeing, my lord? Grey Knights vessels opening fire on a First Founding Chapter. This… this is blasphemy.’ ‘Accelerate to attack speed and engage the enemy. Cripple that ship, Hyperion, and be ready to teleport to the Fire of Dawn at my order. We have the Wolf Lord by the throat.’ ‘Sire… We were told this was a parley on neutral ground.’ ‘It was.’ His voice was breaking apart in vox-distortion. ‘Lord Inquisitor Kysnaros suspected the Wolves of treachery. We opened fire before they had the chance.’ ‘And you believe that, my lord?’ He had the audacity to laugh, despite the gravity of the moment. ‘Not for a second. But this is our chance, brother. We take Grimnar captive, and his Chapter will kneel in submission.’ ‘This is perfidy, Joros. It leeches any honour our order ever laid claim to.’ Castor shook his head. ‘The signal’s lost, sir.’ I stood in dumbstruck silence for several seconds, just watching the Scramaseax die.
Salamander's good treatment of humans is actually used as a meaningful characterisation of their chapter, wich is source of some great tragedies. Like their philosophy will put them at odds with other and often cost them dearly. With the space wolves sadly it's really just mary-sue characterisation, and months of shame is the biggest exemple
@@cantonnierbethcepourlavhy6343 I get what you mean. Salamanders will actively sacrifice themselves to save lives, while the Wolves kinda just save people because it's cool
It is and it should be. I like that space wolves care about civilians it makes sense with how death world would be to connect to family and community as any moment can be death, to culture of sagas and tails to be told. I love it but I don’t want it to be as perfect and wholesome as the salamanders. Just makes it more interesting personally
As a Salamander fan I've never really looked into the SW mostly because theyre just the "werewolf viking dudes" kind of memes but after this, I gotta say, I'm really digging them. Vulkan is the only reason why I think the Salamanders are still the best chapter but I can definitely see why fans love the SW so much
It is important to note that the space wolves never complied to the Codex Astartes. No break up of the legion. It is REALLY vague how many there are but it is often implied that each great company itself is at least chapter sized if not much more. There are for sure a TON more space wolves then a chapter.
Each great company is the size of a chapter, they space wolves did create ONE second founding chapter initially but they fell to the wulfen curse, the wolves split into 13 great companies instead of different chapters, "technically", and it is a VERY big "technically" they are codex compliant as each company is lead by their own great wolf but grimnar is the chapter master and has the final say
@@Tank1711technically they always had 13 Great Companies, only 12 are currently around with the 13th having left with Russ millennia ago, with Bjorn being the only member who stayed behind by Russ’s word. So they really aren’t that Codex compliant compared to most chapters
The Months of Shame, much like the Badab War, is one of those instances I like and think there should be more of, where the Imperium's greatest enemy is itself. 1st edition 40K was founded on the principle that the Imperium is dysfunctional, clannish, and falling apart at the seams. Thereby justifying all the inter-Imperial battles that would be happening on the tabletop. The Imperium, under this lens, is a place where its constituent parts - prideful, self-serving, and believing that disagreement is treason - fight each other as often as they fight their nominal enemies.
i think the lack of badab war/months of shame type incidents and intra-imperium wars is another symptom of the greater issue that 40k has kinda forgotten that it's supposed to be a parody. It's kinda left that satire and dysfunction behind, tried harder to justify its awfulness and taken itself too seriously for a while now. Trying to hype up the space marines, inquisition, and sororitas because they're the badass/flashy imperium factions that draw in an audience and they want them to look good, and in the process smoothing over their flaws that make them actually compelling a lot of the time, and this extending to the Imperium in general.
The problem with it is there's a very fine line with 40k betwen between genuinely tense and enthralling power struggles within a faction, and factions being written as braindead psychopaths that just make everything worse for no reason. This story falls more into the latter than the former for me. Ksynaros was a delusional, hypocritical moron that endangered the entire imperium with his ego and power lust. This was mostly the inquisiton having a decent concern in the beginning, before devolving into traitorous and duplicitious barbarism. What actual reason was there for them to fire on the space wolves after the truce other than, *"Kys felt like being a giant stupid flaming asshole for no reason other than edge"*
@marcog.verbruggen674 agreed somewhat but a lot of those older internal struggles were also just not written very well. Case in point the bloodtide, where yeah there's conflict between imperium soldiers, but it's sooooo edgy. Soooo satirical that it's just fucking stupid.
@@NeutralGuyDoubleZero Implying humans in Real Life are not deeply irrational and motivated by rage and ego. Really, this is what the satire is _supposed_ to be about. The kind of thinking that embraces Fascism is, by nature of definition, anti-rational, anti-modernist, ego-driven, and senselessly violent. If you find it objectionable that they act like idiots in these stories, GOOD. It means you understood the text. Go forward with your life endeavoring to NOT be like them.
The book is amazing, and told from the perspective of the grey knights. They mostly really didn't understand the space wolves, and were expecting them to behave like... normal space marines.
Dark Angles once tried to tell people they were followed around by xenos shortstacks. They were flooded with request to join the fleet as chapter serfs the very next day. This was also added to the list of things the lion's sons don't speak to others about.
I love this! The Grey Knights are just standing there like "We will block your teleportation with our psychic might!" and the space wolves just shoot them and peace out.
Really wish they read the Emperors gift and then went into this episode, so many fun little details they’d love like understanding the weight of breaking Angrons weapon, Grimnarr Sprinting in termi armour, Bjorns interactions with Hyperion and Grimnarr, etc.
Conspiracy theory: Lord Kyle was actually a part of the Ordo Malleus (hence his association with the Grey Knights and ability to command Inquisitors in other systems), but the Ordo Malleus redacted every record of him to say that he was a member of no Ordo.
On tonight's episode of the Ridiculous Tour: Bricky giggles a _lot,_ he's going to enjoy this one, because it's full of the inquisiton! DK says "Wow, no way!" A truly unhealthy number of times. And Shy is off fighting the forces of evil in her own anime series, "Shy annihilates naughtiness: Judgement Quest" soon to be streaming on crunchyroll. All this to come, after the break!
Inquisitor Kyle: "YoU CaN't LeT ThEm Go! WhAt If ThEy EnD uP dEsTrOyInG A pLaNeT?" Also Inquisitor Kyle: Exterminatus-es the planets the refugees go to. A+ Inqusiting, round of applause for Kyle. There's being thorough, and then there's being petulant.
Space Marines are secular super warriors who grew up in a time when authority with the Emperor himself and no one else. They were raised to protect the himan race from itself and banish "Old Night." They referred to Adeptus Terra as "scriveners and bureacrats" (their words) who sat behind desks in Terra while Space Marines died in battles across the galaxy. Gee, I wonder why Space Marines hate the inquisition so much?
I don't think that's it. I thought The Inquisition operates separately from all the other administrations, as they're supposed to be the oversight... but there is no oversight above them, which means that they can basically demand whatever they want and Astartes can't say no.
Except you can't generalize like that. As mentioned the Red Hunters basically work for the Inquisition, the Minotaurs for the High Lords. The attitudes of the Space Marines variyes massively from Chapter to Chapter. Some chapters are much more recent, some highly religious in line with Imperial belief others their own unique beliefs.
@@101Mant I am definitely generalizing, but I'm also pointing out the original purpose of Space Marines, not their current iterations. The Space Marines and Inquisition couldn't have had more different origins. That counts for something in terms of the reasons they clash.
@SeanCrosser They can and they have on many an occasion. Smart Inquisitors work with Astartes as partners. Dumb ones become hated by them. Whatever their authority, they are still humans.
Think Bricky left out how when Grimnar was cutting people in half in an instant or was sprinting and cutting people down he was in full Terminator armor.
I love the comparisons to the Salamanders and I love how the space wolves are just pretty chill guys, the only reason why salamanders stay #1 is cuz of Vulkan. No one beats Vulkan as the best character imo!
Kinda like how some one described the difference between Salamanders and the Wolves. Salamanders seek to protect and shield the people of Imperium. Wolves Try to be the the inspiring heroes of the humans.
I literally just finished the Audiobook "The Emperors Gift", in which the Months of Shame are the "Third Act" I suppose. One thing that I personally find funny, is that Logan Grimnar gives a warning to Jaros that he is now an enemy of the SW. Only to then bury his axe in his throat.
Another thing of note with Grimnar killing Jorus and the havoc that ensued later, Logan was wearing full terminator plate and was SPRINTING like it was nothing. Read the Grey Knights book, it's really good
I think a big part of the Months of Shame is how Lord Kyle kept underestimating the wolves and basically refused to accept the fact that the wolves would never consider surrender to someone like him, and thought of them as simply “a more savage chapter than most” which needed to be shown the light of the emperor’s holy inquisition, despite Annika and the Grey Knights flat-out telling him that’s insane (moreso the former than the latter). He also fully, completely, believed in what he was doing and thought himself in the right and legitamately could not understand the wolves thinking in the same manner a parent may be utterly confused by a child’s insistent disobedience
The inquisition is so good at 'needs of the many over the needs of the few'... especially so since it's not themselves that are the sacrificed on the altar of 'the few'.
[Inquisition] Though your actions were just, you know too much Though the cause is now gone, the dark, you brushed Left a permanent stain, you've become a risk Though this wasn't your fault, you must be purged for this
[SW] They were not to die, you gave your word Those who held the chaos you'd inter Crawled their way from trenches to 'salvation,' betrayed by your words We will not accept such wayward fate, we as Human Shields allow escape Though you open fire onto your allies, we will survive - as they should
Kyle being a "normal" person gives everything so much more weight and meaning. If Kyle had been an agent of chaos then you would be like oh this was just a normal tuesday. For the writers to make things more grey really adds to the story.
Kysnaros goes down as one of the worst/most incompetent inquisitors ive seen in a while. *"Lets agree to a truce and IMMEDIATLY fire on the wolves, man bullying space marine legions is fun, this wont backfire AT ALL."*
Just based on the name of that cardinal, I'm guessing it is based upon real-life Cardenal Cisneros, a prominent religious figure of 15th-16th century Spain. Verbatim from Wikipedia, Cisneros was described as "stern, fanatical and inflexible even by the harsh standards of his time, with a confidence that became at times overbearing, he carried through what he had decided to be right, with little regard for the convenience of others or for himself.". Which fits right with the 40k Inquisition, one could say.
I absolutely love how he SPRINTS IN TERMINATOR ARMOR. You know...the suit of armor that was originally designed for durability and mining in inhospitible environments, and as a result NOT designed to allow the wearer to move at more than a brisk walk?
I love that the book describes how the armor joints were making so much noise that the main character is wondering how Grimnar is doing such an insane feat
I think the reason Grimnar was able to cut the Grandmaster of the Grey Knights in half not only because he's fast as shit, but because the Grandmaster knew what he deserved while Logan spoke, and accepted his fate as according to tradition.
@augustgurtisen Right, but that was supposed to be a parley. Combat not involved. So, expectations of an attack weren't there. And not to lessen Logan's feat, but it's just intensity detail. It's not "how" he killed the guy. Further, Grey Knights aren't stupid. Especially not the Grandmaster. I guarantee, given the whole mood of the story, that the GM felt profound guilt and allowed himself to be executed. Hence, the sorrow in his voice as a VERY angry Space Wolf starts asking who killed his unarmed escort.
@FoxHound-ut1hu that's a good point. However, I think breaking the Wolves probably involved entirely different tactics to him, instead of breaking all of their own customs. He gave the order, but when he admitted it, it was with regret. That's the sign that says he knows it was the wrong move.
@@LoreSponge My man it was entirely Joros idea and he was extremely pleased with himself, the book in no way paints him as remorseful, even his own men are taken a back.
Bjorn is now in my head just grumpy Santa , to continue the annalogy of Christmas for the Space Wolves . They wake him up once a yearish for presents and stories and he saves the day whenever hes needed
What a delight to listen to this episode. I´m too used to listening to channels shitting on Space Wolves, this is such a breath of fresh air. Team Grimmnar forever.
Kysnaros inexplicably wielding so much power is actually discussed in the book The Emperor’s Gift. He has never been in charge of a planet-scale operation like Armageddon, but he has been very successful at dealing with small local-level Chaos incursions and cults. Over his long career, he built a good reputation with a few powerful Inquisitors and was owed many favors. They assumed he knew what he was doing and had the experience to back it up. …Then it turned out he had no clue what he was doing and really didn’t like being told “No”.
The thing about Kysnaros is that he probably never had the authority he claimed (no individual inquisitor does, they normally need to call a conclave for that) and he was just basically bullshitting his way through a genocide. The reason he went to besiege Fenris rather than cut his losses was that people on Terra were going to hear about what he was doing and if he couldn't present them with some _massive_ victory he was deader than Ferrus Manus.
A conclave was called and his plan was barely approved with almost half viciously against it with the barely majority reluctantly approving it with a lot of doubt. On the other hand the bulk of the lower ranking Inquisitors were furious and saw this as going against what the inquisition stood for and were together with some grey knights plotting his assassination.
I just read Emperor's Gift a few weeks ago on Audible and it's pretty good. I wasn't a big fan of the wolves until I heard this story. My favorite part is when Bjorn calls Inquisitor a remembrancer. Inquisitor Kyle asks "what is that?" and Bjorn basically tells him "A conniving little shit that followed us around who thought his words were more important than our deeds. That is what you remind me of."
My favorite line was Bjorn,. after stopping the conflict on the bridge, starts to walk away, musing on this is why Leman Russ hated teleportation so much
Actually the second time. The first time is when the blood angels were fighting. The orcs the orks were in retreat and one of them turned around and saw a blood angel in terminator armor Now the ork brain functions with the more of them that there are, the more their belief manifests in reality, and for them. The color red means fast. So without the marine himself, even realizing it. He suddenly started charging at a clip of like 80 km an hour and just tore right through them. He didn't even realize that he had just killed them until about 5 minutes later when he finally was able to stop After clearing so much ground in the blink of an eye. I forget which book this was in. But the marine himself swore to himself that he would never speak of this to any one because not only would No member of his chapter believe him , but he would also be probably taken before the inquisition for corruption. But technically he was the one who did it before logan grimnar. A marine who in terminator armor moved faster than a white scar on a motorbike
I do agree to an extent with PancreasNoWork's take that it is so stupid that there are no further repercussions for this. I mean, the Badab War was fought for less.
Awesome I just read this book last month. Starting reading the emperors gift thinking it was just a grey knight book and had NO clue it was the months of shame until the book literally said it by name
49:29 I imagine Bjorn bends his metal body in such a slow way that everyone can hear his metal creak and groan. Then he gets it at the right angle for the logan to see into visor to his actual body
3rd episode on the Space Wolves, still haven't mentioned that they are a legion numbering over 7000 marines, they are the last real legion (black templars use loopholes)
The biggest thing to remember about the Inquisition, which I'm surprised wasn't mentioned, is their creed: "Innocence proves nothing." Those 7 sick people were innocent, but when spared cost an Imperial world. All of the Steel Legion may be innocent and, especially in the eyes of the Space Wolves, should be praised for their work in defending Armageddon, but just because a residual demonic incursion hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't. Innocence proves nothing, and the Inquisition would see to it by any means that planetary disaster doesn't come to pass... man fuck the Inquisition lol
My man forgot to mention High King Logan fucking Grimnar sprinted down corridors splitting fuckers into bits in TERMINATOR armor (which he shouldn't be able to do but fuck you, angry wolf man). He also was using his new Axe of Morkai which he took from Angron and his legion for winning. Which has a sliver of Khornes power in it.
Every time I hear about Armageddon I think about Helsreach. If a video on the Black Templars is ever done I imagine an episode about Reclusiarch Grimaldus would revolve almost entirely around his time spent on Armageddon defending the Hive City and aiding the Celestial Lions against Inquisitorial sabotage.
@@ShadowGhost0117 Yeah, I remember that one but it felt a lot more of Valrak gushing over them more so than discussing their founding and history. Something more proper is something I was looking for, if not just an episode here and there highlighting the big names within the Chapter's history (Sigismund, Helbrecht, Grimaldus). Since the adventures of Grimaldus are covered in Helsreach and Blood and Fire, a book club episode would be a good alternative.
@@ayyitsrith honestly I agree, I feel that they need to do something like that for the Dark Angels since they didn’t really cover too much of the 30k lore (certain characters like Corswain, Marduk Sedras, the Dark Age weapons caches, the Excindio, a bit more of the Hexagrammaton and how members of the wings or various orders could take command over the normal officers if they’re skills were more suited for the task).
Feels great listening to these episodes - with all the memes and Space Wolves I'd never really cared until now. Was thinking of doing an Imperial Fist focused SM army one day but might now look into SWs just because this lore is so good.
One of these episodes really should have talked about the individual companies of the Space Wolfs. At least one could have mentioned that the "chapter" does not adhere to the rules regarding the limit of 1000 people. There are thousands of Space Wolves. Thats the main reason, why you should not fuck with them.
@@FrostWolfPack only the smallest legions at their absolute lowest though. There are 12 Great Companies, each having double to triple the amount of marines as normal, with the first company being even larger still. That's about 3000-4000 marines. Ragnar's company in the 7th edition codex is listed as 188 members, but if the units were filled out properly they'd be closer to 270
in "The Fall of Cadia" book there is an Inquisitor who also is like "we have to contain the corruption!" and tries to stop the evacuation. The Guard is like "you should be careful, there are still enemy snipers in the area." and then just shoot the Inquisitor.
After learning 40k for a while, I wonder how could transport ship able to carry any named dreadnaught when everyone of them has massive adamantine balls
note about the Fang: while yes its often mostly enpty of marines since they are often busy elsewhere, there is still plenty of serfs and the place is so fortified that the only place thats more heavily fortified in the entire imperium is the imperial palace on Terra... that fortress is no joke marines or not
Inquisition: "are you really going to die for these insignificant guardsmen?"
The entire Space Wolves Chapter: "Someone is."
Ok, I completely agree that is canon regardless of what anyone says.
The 5 remaining Lamenters: Yes :(
I just got that reference. *Inb4 Sandor Clegane.*
@@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong Why did you have to do this. :c
Everyone to Bjorn: 'Thank you for your service."
Bjorn: "Oh my God shut the fuck up"
Bjorn is every non-combat veteran ever (speaking as a non-combat veteran. Can’t speak for the real boys and girls out there).
@@adbjr12Lol yeah same. I'm always just like "I didn't do shit don't thank me"
Hell I didn't even finish my first contract since my knee caps got in the wrong place so they just booted me early.
@@adbjr12 Just because you are a vet from a non-combat corp/ branch doesn’t mean you are any less qualified for a general “thanks for your service mate”.
The non- combat corps/branches are equally important as the combat ones in seeing that any military achieves its mission. For instance, a cook might not be clearing buildings but when the grunt and SpecFor blokes get back to base who is there to feed them a meal better than MREs.
@@maskedgaming2798 Spoken like somebody who either never served or served because he wanted the ego boost. Lmfao
@@griffinmckenzie7203seems like you’re projecting. Some vets take it in stride, some get annoyed, and the large majority give no fucks and move on.
*Logan:* Are you a calm and reasonable person?
**Wipes Grey Knight Blood on His Axe**
Bjorn: when the moment calls for calm
@@CDio-vr3bx *Logan:* Hmm yeah, I'd say the situation calls for calm.
Bjorn talking to Logan: ......BOY!
Grey Knight Grandmaster, realizing that he's going to be in the middle of a dick-measuring contest between the wolves and the inquisition: "Not this again..."
Inquisition: "You better do what we say or else we will erase you"
Space wolves: "NUH UH"
Inquisition: "The FUCK you mean 'NuH-uH' "
Vulka Fenryka - "I mean this frost axe is gonna get lodged in your skull if you keep pushing it"
Ahhhhhh...interesting name for space wolves
Inquisition:”you are holding civilians”
Space wolves: “nuh uh u don’t see them”
@@AnshumanKantiBose
I think you mean Folka Fenrika.
@@jacobfreeman5444 fuck I just noticed 😆 🤣
"Who is responsible in breaking the sacred oath of armistice", Grimnar asked calmly
A couple other things I want to point out about the Months of Shame:
1) To kill the Grand Master of the Grey Knights, Grimnar sprinted *IN TERMINATOR ARMOR*, a feat which, at the time, was thought IMPOSSIBLE. Usually terminators are deployed as slow, lumbering, damage sponges to spearhead front assaults, or more tactically, use their teleport to strike key targets. Point is, in neither scenarios they are meant to be swift, they are meant to absorb shitloads of damage, and pack just as much punch to dish out. Only thing that makes them a good ambush unit is their teleport homer, that gives them any sense of speed/tactical flexibility beyond just being a slow, tanky moving target. And Grimnar said "fuck all that", and actually moved with a speed that armor wasn't designed to allow you to achieve. No wonder the Grand Master was completely blindsided by the assault: it wasn't thought possible. Maybe only thanks to psychic powers you'd be able to achieve something similar, but Grimnar never had any.
2) The Months of Shame has been regarded as one of the biggest Imperium internals wars, since the Horus Heresy, maybe not by its sheer scale, but in its implication. Not only loyal space marines were yet again at each other throats, but an entire first founding chapter's home world was under siege, causing massive casualties on both sides. If Kysnaros wasn't put down there and then, things would have kept escalating to a full scale war, spanning multiple systems. Kysnaros would have retreated to gather more allies, not just the other Ordos, but other Inquisition loyal space marine chapters, Grey Knights, Death Watch, Minotaurs, and more. Meanwhile, as word spread out of the conflict, other first founding chapters wouldn't have wasted a second to side with the Wolves to dethrone the power hungry inquisition that had been on everyone's ass for millennia now. Thanks to the reckless actions of 1 man, the Imperium came this close from full, blown out, full scale civil war. This is counting Kysnaros dodging out of the way of all assassinations attempt by the other agents of the Inquisition itself, of course.
3) I'm pretty sure Grey Knights didn't leave on "bad terms" with the Wolves. The Wolves certainly could still covet a measure of distrust, even tho they still felt great respect for the Knights, since they too were a massive instrument in the defense of Armageddon, but the Grey Knights know full well they fucked up, not for nothing they named the conflict "the Months of Shame". They look at this part of history with great anguish and regret, like a stain on their chapter's honor.
As a grey knight player I've seen this is the reason why they are now just deamon hunters again and don't really care as much about a random guardsmen of any regiment seeing chaos. The months of shame accidentally fixed their most grimderp lore in my eyes.
Slight correction for your first point. The scene where Grimnar was sprinting was quite a while after killing the Grand Master. The way he actually did it is even more baller. He’s literally just standing in front of the Grand Master and goes from simply standing there, to swinging his axe at the guy’s throat in the blink of an eye. We actually see this in 30k when a Space Wolf and the Lion have their traditional honor duel (the Space Wolf goes from no movement to the swing just as quickly but the Lion perfectly catches it when the blade is millimeters from his neck, and Guilliman is there as well and admits to himself that he wouldn’t have seen that blow coming). The main Grey Knight character that the book follows has a brief inner monologue on how the Grand Master was a master duelist and how one skill such a fighter needs is the ability to anticipate your opponent’s moves. Grimnar moved so fast that the Grand Master didn’t even get his twin swords out of their sheaths before dying.
Fun thing that Normaly if grey knights enter battle field where other marines are they are mind wiped of that encounter.
After months of shame wolves forced grey knights tell front of the hole chapter how they are, what is their purpose.
Big shame to greys and wolves are free of this mind wipe protocol even if inqusitor would order it.
I just want to acknowledge Hyperion, one of the cool named Grey Knights who played hide and seek on a cruiser with a greater daemon before even becoming an aspirant, broke Angron's blade hard enough it never respawned, plotted with the other Grey Knights to deal with the mad inquisitor themselves before Logan solved the problem with Space Wolf efficiency. He also unblanked a blank through repeated exposure and nearly doomed a sector to being consumed by a greater daemon as a kid because he was doing warp drugs.
Both Grey Knights and Inquisition do not visit Fenris System. They will be fired upon and destroy for any such incursion.
Inquisitor: i am going to eat a cat.
Grimnar: that is disgusting and (in my opinion) kinda cruel. Please don't do it again.
Inquisitor: i will eat another.
Bold assumption that a space wolf wouldn't consider eating cats normal
Inquisition: "Engage in peace talk and IMMEDIATLY fire on them"
Grey KNights: We use psykers and rituals to combat daemons for the imperium.
Space Wolves: Oh *joy*, nerds to bully, let's show you what we do to psykers that fuck with us.
Welcome to the tundra NERDS
The best part not talked about is Bjorn calling Logan Grimnar a young pup and then going full Doc McCoy about having to use a teleporter for the first time and hating it.
Honored Bjorn: I hate Portals
"Back in my day"
Also he flirted with the Fenrisian inquisitor he flirted with her, like "Man if I was 10,000 years younger and not encased in a walking coffin.."
@@sonicwingnut I love how he uses his Dreadnought claw to gently turn her head when checking her out. He’s so calm and kind to her that I’m pretty sure it makes her cry more than she already was when she saw him.
Why do I get the feeling that Bjorn's one of the few dreadnoughts who isn't miserable the whole time he's awake? Compared to someone like Malcharion, he seems to take his interment in stride.
Space Wolves evacuating guardsmen and civilians from inquisition's purge.
Inquisitor: "Where are you going? I promise I'm not being suspicious."
Space Wolf "Thats like a Iron Hand Promising to not cut his limb off for bionics
Fun fact about the Nurgle infestation mentioned in the Inquisition apology part: One these Guardsmen was back from fighting the Death Guard, his last action before being sent to Iax for medical care was running up to a Chaos Marines, putting the Barrel of his Lasgun in the CSM’s neck joint and unloading his power cell in the traitor’s head. Man had balls of steel and he still caused the whole Plague Wars to happen…
Unfortunately, courage doesn't help your immune system.
If they were referring to the Lords of Silence one, I'm pretty sure that guy got a confirmed kill on that Plague Marine which is incredible.
@@consolescrub4031 the Guardsman I’m referring to came from Dark Imperium. The name of the Gaurdsman was Bolus. Idk about Lords of Silence since I haven’t read it.
Yes the Plague Marine did die and it fell on him, nearly drowning him with the mixture of mud, blood and other fluids (Plague Marine after all). He only got out after a dozen of his fellow Guardsmen lifted the body just enough to get him out. It’s a wonder he didn’t get infected with anything other than Nurgle’s Rot after that experience, but he did kill that Plague Marine.
@@letendreelliott8778 Sounds like the same one. He was saving his buddy but they both got infected for the big ritual.
First thing I see in the live chat with the poster drop is “Asmodai make them repent”
Perfect
REPEEEEEEEEEEEEEENT! *Crozius to the face*
REPENT MOTHERFUCKER
Everyone: *Humans worship Bjorn*
Bjorn: "Cut that shit out. Praying is what caused this shit show."
*gestures to galaxy*
People: start praying
Bjorn: ah shit, here we go again
Life of Bjorn
To play Devil's Advocate, the Eldar Empire losing religion, casting their gods into Iconaclast's Mound, and falling into depravity can be linked to a lot of the problems in the galaxy. If the Eye of Terror wasn't there, the four prophets of Colchis would never have been able to make the Pilgrimage, for example.
Unfortunatally for the Grey Knights, they forgot two things about themselves. First: they are Astates, really beefed up ones, but marines none the less. Second: Due to the magnus shard being fused with their first chapter master, they are technically thousands sons, and guess what the Space Wolves fancy themselves specialists in killing?
I forgot about that last part, that's hilarious.
Is the Magnus shard that fused with the first chapter master still canon though?
Anything they fancy 😂
@@kukelhupf pretty sure it is
To be honest, I'm surprised that the wolves army hasn't leaned more into being anti Spyker, like having their runes actually work against them. I don't play tabletop, so they might do that, and I just don't know about it
@@kukelhupf Yep.
The Inquisition: “You’re all sentenced to death for the crime of knowing what we know without being us.”
In order for Logan Grimnar’s ship to return to Fenris in time, their Rune Priests had to burn themselves out fatally to give the ship an extraordinary speed boost. Logan ordered that their names would be remembered and honored.
Which is why he was so pissed off. The Wolves take the term "Brother" literally when they become astartes. These are not "battle brothers" to the wolves...they are kin. When your kin dies just so you can do your job? Oh...you are ready to enter the berserker fury the exact second the enemy is in your sights.
Salamanders upon reading about the reason this event happened: "MOOD KINDRED!!!"
Bjorn is a guy that has literally fought alongside big E during the Great Crusade. Thats how big of a deal he is when talking about veterans
Bjorn: “I met the Allfather once, I do believe he liked me”.
@@ShadowGhost0117 I prefer the quote he gives to the inquisitor.
"I fought, ate, drank, and pissed at the Emperor's side."
Note that Logan Grimnar SPRINTED in terminator armor. A feat literally impossible
it is possible for experienced users, stopping however is near impossible which is why its not done.
He not only sprinted...
He ALSO leaped like 15 feet in the air onto the command throne.
I mean, he uses a demon axe stolen from a champion of Khorne. You would expect him to be good at slaughter and rushing.
Is it actually impossible or is it highly improbable. It made it very clear that the joints of his armor were smoking because he did this. It sounds like terminator armor wasn’t designed with sprinting in mind but it’s possible at the cost of damaging the armor.
@@Leman.Russ.6thLegiondid he also do a front flip?
The wolves are probably one of the best suited marines to fight the grey knights, resistant to sorcery, the emperor’s executions ready made to kill space marines, versus the specialized demon hunters. Grey knights are powerful but made for a different purpose
yeah. not many people stop to think about how very specialised grey knights are when talking about power levels between space marines.
sure they are an elite force with top of the line gear and training, but their focus is on daemons and not space marines, so good veteran warriors like grimnar and good tactical minds like dante will be able to beat the grey knights.
The space wolves were outmatched in every engagement. Single Grey knights wrecked space wolves and the only reason Grimnar was able to kill the grandmaster was because he did something exceptional
Grey Knights for all intents and purposes are just basically loyalist Thousand Sons who decided to specialize. Literally in the case of Janus himself
@@noahp2014That is completely untrue 😂 after the wolves started fighting back they won every single engagement. Hyperion is literally lamenting that they keep coming across slaughtered Grey Knight ships.
@FoxHound-ut1hu he laments every brother lost but they lose due to numbers and poor orders from the inquisitor. Man for man grey knights are superior
This is the sort of story that gave Guilliman his ultra-depression
Depression, but also a smile. The Wolves are doing exactly as Russ would have wanted. Sinking their teeth into ANYONE that threatens humanity. Guilliman was also pleased with every chapter that maintained some semblance of legion strength. The codex he wrote were guidelines and was NEVER meant to be taken as literal rules.
I disagree. I think, after the time he spent around Faffnr Bludbroder, the guy who literally went 1v1 with the Lion, he'd just smile a little, nod, mumble "Yeah, checks out." and file it away under "Things that have been handled"
@@Nempo13 wait they were just guidelines? I'm still pretty new, so what exactly are the rules... Summarized?
@@mileselon1339
It's a vague concept at most and the rules are only ever mentioned in lore, but considering Guilliman wrote it for space marine use, it's safe to say it's not possible to summarize.
"This text became a major part of his legacy and the cornerstone upon which the future of the Adeptus Astartes would be based. No complete copies of his original text is known to exist although the majority of his tome has survived and is available to all Space Marines, if not committed to memory.
Though for all its multitudinous topics, the most lasting and contentious decree of the Codex Astartes was that the existing Space Marine Legions be broken up and reorganised into smaller, one-thousand-warrior organisations known as Chapters."
@@mileselon1339 Well. Considering stuff like how the Emperor did NOT want to be worshipped... Let's just say it is very 40K for guidelines and suggestions to end up as strict doctrine.
Maybe I missed it but I feel it's worth noting that when the grey knights and inquisition arrived the space wolves said they don't want their help if they start culling the humans afterwards and made the inquisition promise not to do so. Which they then went completely back on their word because their fingers were crossed behind their back when making the promise
Logan: Hey, these guys just stood their ground against my Uncle, Angron. Maybe these guys get a pass?
Inquisition: How about "No".
Logan: How about "Doing it anyway"!
Couple of fun facts to tag on to this episode:
1) Logan's axe is actually a reforged blade of Khorne he took off of a Chapion of Khorne after his weapon broke in combat.
2) Fenris has also been seiged by the ecclesiarchy during whats now known as "The Fenris Incident" on grounds of Heresy. 😅
I have to say I rly don't like how he can just wield the axe like whatever, while castellan crowe who's supposed to be like a particularly pure grey knight struggles to wield his chaos blade
Bit of inconsistencies there.....
@@Big_Bread_Fan I'm thinking the main difference is a blade actually possessed by a powerful demon (Crowe) and a weapon that just happened to be wielded by a chaos champion for some time (Grimnar)
@@Big_Bread_Fan Grimnar axe is simply the weapon of a champion, it is probably infused with some chaos energy but nothing more.
Crowe's on the other hand wields a weapon with (at least) a greater daemon inside but more likely a daemon prince.
It's not inconsistent, these are two very different weapons.
@catalin2766 oh okay I had the impression that Grimnars axe would take the same force of will and effort, so seeing him wield it better than a grey knight left me confused 😅
There is also during the age of appostacy during the plague of unbelief, Fenris got under siege by an apostate cardinal named Bukaris and a massive part of his army and fleet.
The Months of Shame showed what the Space Wolves truly were. That they were more than just Astartes. That they are a bulwark against the terror. That they are the defenders of humanity. That they are space marines, and they know no fear.
Space wolves are surprisingly based and kind of chads for telling the inquisition to piss off. The Emperors gift book is actually really good and I do recommend it to anyone who’s interested in the months of shame. It also has a cannon FENRISIAN MUSCLE MOMMY INQUISITOR.
What's the Title of the book?
@@starhawk3657 the emperors gift
Just a bit of a note. All Chapter Masters know about the Grey Knights. In fact it was Grimnar that requested their aid on the first war for Armageddon in the first place.
Seems like something only certain writers knew or cared about. Pretty sure there's plenty of stories where the grey knights show up and nobody even on the astartes side knows who they are
The Inquisition killed so many dogs and civilians they were basically the ATF after hearing someone might possibly have the wrong stamp for a shotgun.
That's... a very good analogy actually
@@Azzabackam the Inquisition had to look at itself after this and go "damn, we're acting like the ATF rn, this is a new low" Then proceeded to delete all ties to Inquisitor Kyle.
On brand. They even shot some dogs.
Make ATF a convenience store and no longer a part of the enemy occupation force pretending to be a legitimate government.
Wonder if anyone on Armageddon had the last name Weaver
The question is based on Arthurian tales, the fisher king, and the correct question is "Who does the Grail serve".
And the answer is whoever Holds it with the grace of god. Right?
If I recall correctly it's something along those lines. Also I think it's a subtle reference to the Bequin Series where we are introduced to the "Grails" that serve the Yellow King@@lornbaker1083
@@endrof1264huh I guess 40k authors talk to each other some times
@@AngryHomunculus There's a good interview with Dan Abnett about how they wrote The Siege of Terra where he mentions all the writers getting together to figure some things out.
@@Captain1nsaneo ok I see. Thanks for the info
The best part of The First War of Armageddon is that the Grey Knight who broke Angron’s sword, Hyperion, was actually a character from the Ravenor series. Literally the guy who shattered a Daemon-Primarch’s sword entered the series as a fucking child junkie drug-runner who got caught and recruited by Inquisitor Ravenor. That junkie “grows-up” to be the adamantine-ball swinging Grey Knight to look at Angron’s fucking sword and go “nu-uh.”
He unarmed fucks up Grimnar and 28 wolf guards, breaks Morkai and Bjorn arrives to save Logan
@@zepalu00nah he doesn't he's on his back trying not to die when bjorn shows up
Always love that while the Salamanders are the poster boys of caring about humanity amongst the space marine chapters, the Space Wolves seem to care just as much without needing to have the spotlight constantly shown on their good deeds.
Both are perfectly acceptable as the Emperor’s goodest boys…
That bit about realizing how badass military grandparents is sooooo real. My grandpa was a fighter pilot and I remember seeing someone literally fall off his bike to salute him on base.
A saying I learned a long time ago and I like to adhere to: “When you see someone with some grey hairs in a profession where men die young, you damn well listen to what he has to say.”
Having read the Emperor's Gift, Bricky is not doing the Bjorn scene justice.
First Inquisitor Anika (the Fenrisian) bowed, crying.
Then the Grey Knight kneeled.
Then Lord Inquisitor Kyznaros, seeing who he was, knelt and bowed.
Lord Inquisitor Kyle, the shitter himself, knelt and bowed in respect.
Bjorn: "Oh not you too!!!"
He did then make the request for a penitent crusade, but in the book he is far more sympathetic. He basically was out of his depth, and was trying to desperately come up with any reason NOT to bomb the Fang. He knew it was akin to heresy. But also in his eyes he WAS the authority of the Emperor, and the Wolves NEEDED to respect it.
I like how during the final battle, Anika actually kind of sides with the Space Wolves and shoots some of the bridge crew and I think even a Grey Knight since they were attacking her home planet.
As a Greyknight fan I always say the months of shame is a good story for us as it serves as a reminder that we are not all powerful and really humbled us
As a Space Wolves hater I just felt like you shouldn't be allowed to sprint in terminator armour and behead a Grey Knight captain with one swing.
@@SeanCrosserit’s heavily implied the grandmaster wanted to die. He was not happy about ordering that extermination decree.
It does it in the worst way possible by making the space wolves have the Matt ward plot armor instead of the knights
@@kaxdraI also felt like this was implied. Just more the he wasn't going to resist in anything that Logan was going to do.
@@kaxdrathe Grandmaster was laughing at the whole affair:
‘Castor, get me a link to Lord Joros on the Fire of Dawn.’ While I waited, I watched the beleaguered Scramaseax rolling in the void - a wounded animal baring its belly.
‘Karabela?’
‘It’s Hyperion. What am I seeing, my lord? Grey Knights vessels opening fire on a First Founding Chapter. This… this is blasphemy.’
‘Accelerate to attack speed and engage the enemy. Cripple that ship, Hyperion, and be ready to teleport to the Fire of Dawn at my order. We have the Wolf Lord by the throat.’
‘Sire… We were told this was a parley on neutral ground.’
‘It was.’ His voice was breaking apart in vox-distortion. ‘Lord Inquisitor Kysnaros suspected the Wolves of treachery. We opened fire before they had the chance.’
‘And you believe that, my lord?’
He had the audacity to laugh, despite the gravity of the moment. ‘Not for a second. But this is our chance, brother. We take Grimnar captive, and his Chapter will kneel in submission.’
‘This is perfidy, Joros. It leeches any honour our order ever laid claim to.’
Castor shook his head. ‘The signal’s lost, sir.’
I stood in dumbstruck silence for several seconds, just watching the Scramaseax die.
I feel like the Wolves' good treatment of humans is often overshadowed by the Salamanders
Salamander's good treatment of humans is actually used as a meaningful characterisation of their chapter, wich is source of some great tragedies. Like their philosophy will put them at odds with other and often cost them dearly. With the space wolves sadly it's really just mary-sue characterisation, and months of shame is the biggest exemple
@@cantonnierbethcepourlavhy6343 I get what you mean. Salamanders will actively sacrifice themselves to save lives, while the Wolves kinda just save people because it's cool
It is and it should be. I like that space wolves care about civilians it makes sense with how death world would be to connect to family and community as any moment can be death, to culture of sagas and tails to be told. I love it but I don’t want it to be as perfect and wholesome as the salamanders. Just makes it more interesting personally
As a Salamander fan I've never really looked into the SW mostly because theyre just the "werewolf viking dudes" kind of memes but after this, I gotta say, I'm really digging them. Vulkan is the only reason why I think the Salamanders are still the best chapter but I can definitely see why fans love the SW so much
@@chowrites6179yeah, they lean too much on the wolf part - I wish they had it dialed down and more of Norse vibe
'And you ride slaves?!'
'That's Dhrukari, the Wolves ride sleighs.'
I feel like you guys overlooked logan sprinting in TERMINATOR armor. This was considered an impossible feat until he did it out of pure anger.
So much pure undiluted rage that the Grey Knights present could hear the machine spirit crying out.
It is important to note that the space wolves never complied to the Codex Astartes. No break up of the legion. It is REALLY vague how many there are but it is often implied that each great company itself is at least chapter sized if not much more. There are for sure a TON more space wolves then a chapter.
Each great company is the size of a chapter, they space wolves did create ONE second founding chapter initially but they fell to the wulfen curse, the wolves split into 13 great companies instead of different chapters, "technically", and it is a VERY big "technically" they are codex compliant as each company is lead by their own great wolf but grimnar is the chapter master and has the final say
@@Tank1711technically they always had 13 Great Companies, only 12 are currently around with the 13th having left with Russ millennia ago, with Bjorn being the only member who stayed behind by Russ’s word. So they really aren’t that Codex compliant compared to most chapters
The Months of Shame, much like the Badab War, is one of those instances I like and think there should be more of, where the Imperium's greatest enemy is itself.
1st edition 40K was founded on the principle that the Imperium is dysfunctional, clannish, and falling apart at the seams. Thereby justifying all the inter-Imperial battles that would be happening on the tabletop.
The Imperium, under this lens, is a place where its constituent parts - prideful, self-serving, and believing that disagreement is treason - fight each other as often as they fight their nominal enemies.
i think the lack of badab war/months of shame type incidents and intra-imperium wars is another symptom of the greater issue that 40k has kinda forgotten that it's supposed to be a parody. It's kinda left that satire and dysfunction behind, tried harder to justify its awfulness and taken itself too seriously for a while now. Trying to hype up the space marines, inquisition, and sororitas because they're the badass/flashy imperium factions that draw in an audience and they want them to look good, and in the process smoothing over their flaws that make them actually compelling a lot of the time, and this extending to the Imperium in general.
@@marcog.verbruggen674 The Sororitas are both incredibly wholesome...and pure nightmare fuel at the same time and I love it.
The problem with it is there's a very fine line with 40k betwen between genuinely tense and enthralling power struggles within a faction, and factions being written as braindead psychopaths that just make everything worse for no reason.
This story falls more into the latter than the former for me. Ksynaros was a delusional, hypocritical moron that endangered the entire imperium with his ego and power lust.
This was mostly the inquisiton having a decent concern in the beginning, before devolving into traitorous and duplicitious barbarism. What actual reason was there for them to fire on the space wolves after the truce other than, *"Kys felt like being a giant stupid flaming asshole for no reason other than edge"*
@marcog.verbruggen674 agreed somewhat but a lot of those older internal struggles were also just not written very well. Case in point the bloodtide, where yeah there's conflict between imperium soldiers, but it's sooooo edgy. Soooo satirical that it's just fucking stupid.
@@NeutralGuyDoubleZero Implying humans in Real Life are not deeply irrational and motivated by rage and ego.
Really, this is what the satire is _supposed_ to be about. The kind of thinking that embraces Fascism is, by nature of definition, anti-rational, anti-modernist, ego-driven, and senselessly violent.
If you find it objectionable that they act like idiots in these stories, GOOD. It means you understood the text. Go forward with your life endeavoring to NOT be like them.
The book is amazing, and told from the perspective of the grey knights. They mostly really didn't understand the space wolves, and were expecting them to behave like... normal space marines.
I really want Matara and the gang to hear of Bricky's appreciation for birthing hips and shortstack
it's bad enough that shy has become a vtuber, stop encouraging them
Been following only on Spotify for about 6 months, first time i came to see a TH-cam version is that 😂😂😂 Matara would have a very nice chat with him
Dark Angles once tried to tell people they were followed around by xenos shortstacks.
They were flooded with request to join the fleet as chapter serfs the very next day.
This was also added to the list of things the lion's sons don't speak to others about.
I love this!
The Grey Knights are just standing there like "We will block your teleportation with our psychic might!" and the space wolves just shoot them and peace out.
Really wish they read the Emperors gift and then went into this episode, so many fun little details they’d love like understanding the weight of breaking Angrons weapon, Grimnarr Sprinting in termi armour, Bjorns interactions with Hyperion and Grimnarr, etc.
Conspiracy theory: Lord Kyle was actually a part of the Ordo Malleus (hence his association with the Grey Knights and ability to command Inquisitors in other systems), but the Ordo Malleus redacted every record of him to say that he was a member of no Ordo.
On tonight's episode of the Ridiculous Tour:
Bricky giggles a _lot,_ he's going to enjoy this one, because it's full of the inquisiton!
DK says "Wow, no way!" A truly unhealthy number of times.
And Shy is off fighting the forces of evil in her own anime series, "Shy annihilates naughtiness: Judgement Quest" soon to be streaming on crunchyroll.
All this to come, after the break!
40k and "for DK" are pronounced the same. So this show is basically bricky explaining warhammer40k, 40k.
Lord kyle : i have higher chain of command
Bjorn : LOL, LMAO
Inquisitor Kyle: "YoU CaN't LeT ThEm Go! WhAt If ThEy EnD uP dEsTrOyInG A pLaNeT?"
Also Inquisitor Kyle: Exterminatus-es the planets the refugees go to.
A+ Inqusiting, round of applause for Kyle.
There's being thorough, and then there's being petulant.
Either barren rock or daemon planet to him I guess, a bit excessive.
Kyle seems to value his own Inquisitiorial opinion rather than the opinion of Big E.
Him: I don't know how to say this...
Her: Oh no... honey, what is it?
Him: Lord Inquisitor Ghesmei Kysnaros
Grey Knights: What happened on Prospero?
Space Wolves: What is Prospero?
Space Wolves fans: YOU WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO KNOW ABOUT THAT!
"character development"
Space Marines are secular super warriors who grew up in a time when authority with the Emperor himself and no one else. They were raised to protect the himan race from itself and banish "Old Night." They referred to Adeptus Terra as "scriveners and bureacrats" (their words) who sat behind desks in Terra while Space Marines died in battles across the galaxy. Gee, I wonder why Space Marines hate the inquisition so much?
I don't think that's it. I thought The Inquisition operates separately from all the other administrations, as they're supposed to be the oversight... but there is no oversight above them, which means that they can basically demand whatever they want and Astartes can't say no.
Except you can't generalize like that. As mentioned the Red Hunters basically work for the Inquisition, the Minotaurs for the High Lords.
The attitudes of the Space Marines variyes massively from Chapter to Chapter. Some chapters are much more recent, some highly religious in line with Imperial belief others their own unique beliefs.
@@101Mant I am definitely generalizing, but I'm also pointing out the original purpose of Space Marines, not their current iterations. The Space Marines and Inquisition couldn't have had more different origins. That counts for something in terms of the reasons they clash.
@SeanCrosser They can and they have on many an occasion. Smart Inquisitors work with Astartes as partners. Dumb ones become hated by them. Whatever their authority, they are still humans.
Think Bricky left out how when Grimnar was cutting people in half in an instant or was sprinting and cutting people down he was in full Terminator armor.
I love the comparisons to the Salamanders and I love how the space wolves are just pretty chill guys, the only reason why salamanders stay #1 is cuz of Vulkan. No one beats Vulkan as the best character imo!
Kinda like how some one described the difference between Salamanders and the Wolves.
Salamanders seek to protect and shield the people of Imperium.
Wolves Try to be the the inspiring heroes of the humans.
Vulcan lives
Yah see this is your opinion and i respect it, but vulkan books have been asssss
I literally just finished the Audiobook "The Emperors Gift", in which the Months of Shame are the "Third Act" I suppose. One thing that I personally find funny, is that Logan Grimnar gives a warning to Jaros that he is now an enemy of the SW. Only to then bury his axe in his throat.
Another thing of note with Grimnar killing Jorus and the havoc that ensued later, Logan was wearing full terminator plate and was SPRINTING like it was nothing. Read the Grey Knights book, it's really good
What book?
@@justindalton8701 The Emperors Gift
The scene where Grimnar was sprinting happened sometime after killing Jorus. Still a badass moment, but they didn’t happen at the same time.
I think a big part of the Months of Shame is how Lord Kyle kept underestimating the wolves and basically refused to accept the fact that the wolves would never consider surrender to someone like him, and thought of them as simply “a more savage chapter than most” which needed to be shown the light of the emperor’s holy inquisition, despite Annika and the Grey Knights flat-out telling him that’s insane (moreso the former than the latter). He also fully, completely, believed in what he was doing and thought himself in the right and legitamately could not understand the wolves thinking in the same manner a parent may be utterly confused by a child’s insistent disobedience
The inquisition is so good at 'needs of the many over the needs of the few'... especially so since it's not themselves that are the sacrificed on the altar of 'the few'.
Emperor's Gift is my favorite 40k book.
It has almost everything.
Sprinting and Leaping in Terminator armor.
Grey knights: im sorry my child
The wolf behind him with an axe: "you will be!
[Inquisition]
Though your actions were just, you know too much
Though the cause is now gone, the dark, you brushed
Left a permanent stain, you've become a risk
Though this wasn't your fault, you must be purged for this
[SW]
They were not to die, you gave your word
Those who held the chaos you'd inter
Crawled their way from trenches to 'salvation,' betrayed by your words
We will not accept such wayward fate, we as Human Shields allow escape
Though you open fire onto your allies, we will survive - as they should
Space Wolves: Come try it
What song or poem is this referencing
@@greg_mcait’s from Stromstring he made a song about the months of shame
And its a banger
Kyle being a "normal" person gives everything so much more weight and meaning. If Kyle had been an agent of chaos then you would be like oh this was just a normal tuesday. For the writers to make things more grey really adds to the story.
Kysnaros goes down as one of the worst/most incompetent inquisitors ive seen in a while.
*"Lets agree to a truce and IMMEDIATLY fire on the wolves, man bullying space marine legions is fun, this wont backfire AT ALL."*
I don’t think he realized that just because consequences didn’t happen the first 50 times, doesn’t mean they won’t happen the 51st
Just based on the name of that cardinal, I'm guessing it is based upon real-life Cardenal Cisneros, a prominent religious figure of 15th-16th century Spain. Verbatim from Wikipedia, Cisneros was described as "stern, fanatical and inflexible even by the harsh standards of his time, with a confidence that became at times overbearing, he carried through what he had decided to be right, with little regard for the convenience of others or for himself.". Which fits right with the 40k Inquisition, one could say.
A new Dark Angel Poster on a Space Wolve Episode. Did it need more Words?
"To betray a Betrayer is never counted as a sin." - Logan Grimnar to Grandmaster Joros of the 8th Brotherhood before ending his life.
I absolutely love how he SPRINTS IN TERMINATOR ARMOR. You know...the suit of armor that was originally designed for durability and mining in inhospitible environments, and as a result NOT designed to allow the wearer to move at more than a brisk walk?
I love that the book describes how the armor joints were making so much noise that the main character is wondering how Grimnar is doing such an insane feat
I think the reason Grimnar was able to cut the Grandmaster of the Grey Knights in half not only because he's fast as shit, but because the Grandmaster knew what he deserved while Logan spoke, and accepted his fate as according to tradition.
Grimnar was in terminator armor and was probably ready to psychically block a teleport, not physically blocking.
@augustgurtisen Right, but that was supposed to be a parley. Combat not involved. So, expectations of an attack weren't there. And not to lessen Logan's feat, but it's just intensity detail. It's not "how" he killed the guy. Further, Grey Knights aren't stupid. Especially not the Grandmaster. I guarantee, given the whole mood of the story, that the GM felt profound guilt and allowed himself to be executed. Hence, the sorrow in his voice as a VERY angry Space Wolf starts asking who killed his unarmed escort.
Oh no the Grandmaster was a massive piece of shit biting at the bit to be the one who broke the wolves.
@FoxHound-ut1hu that's a good point. However, I think breaking the Wolves probably involved entirely different tactics to him, instead of breaking all of their own customs. He gave the order, but when he admitted it, it was with regret. That's the sign that says he knows it was the wrong move.
@@LoreSponge My man it was entirely Joros idea and he was extremely pleased with himself, the book in no way paints him as remorseful, even his own men are taken a back.
Bjorn is now in my head just grumpy Santa , to continue the annalogy of Christmas for the Space Wolves . They wake him up once a yearish for presents and stories and he saves the day whenever hes needed
Bricky you’re the reason I got into Warhammer and the reason why the Nightlords are my favorite, so yes you did have at least a small impact.
What a delight to listen to this episode. I´m too used to listening to channels shitting on Space Wolves, this is such a breath of fresh air. Team Grimmnar forever.
Bjorn: Don’t quote the Imperial Truth to me, boy! I was there when it was written!
On a side note, I wish we got more books about Hyperion. That character is freakin awesome
Kysnaros inexplicably wielding so much power is actually discussed in the book The Emperor’s Gift. He has never been in charge of a planet-scale operation like Armageddon, but he has been very successful at dealing with small local-level Chaos incursions and cults. Over his long career, he built a good reputation with a few powerful Inquisitors and was owed many favors. They assumed he knew what he was doing and had the experience to back it up.
…Then it turned out he had no clue what he was doing and really didn’t like being told “No”.
I think the Inquisition needs to either A) Up screening procedures for potential employees, and/or B) RUN BACKGROUND CHECKS.
The thing about Kysnaros is that he probably never had the authority he claimed (no individual inquisitor does, they normally need to call a conclave for that) and he was just basically bullshitting his way through a genocide. The reason he went to besiege Fenris rather than cut his losses was that people on Terra were going to hear about what he was doing and if he couldn't present them with some _massive_ victory he was deader than Ferrus Manus.
A conclave was called and his plan was barely approved with almost half viciously against it with the barely majority reluctantly approving it with a lot of doubt. On the other hand the bulk of the lower ranking Inquisitors were furious and saw this as going against what the inquisition stood for and were together with some grey knights plotting his assassination.
I like how Majorkiller is like, "I have warhammer hentai for my fans," but you guys are classier than that.
Grey Knights’ worst commander ever: Lord Kyle… what a douche. Great book, fun to hear this chat about it.
I just read Emperor's Gift a few weeks ago on Audible and it's pretty good. I wasn't a big fan of the wolves until I heard this story. My favorite part is when Bjorn calls Inquisitor a remembrancer. Inquisitor Kyle asks "what is that?" and Bjorn basically tells him "A conniving little shit that followed us around who thought his words were more important than our deeds. That is what you remind me of."
My favorite line was Bjorn,. after stopping the conflict on the bridge, starts to walk away, musing on this is why Leman Russ hated teleportation so much
To me it is even more impressive that Grimnar did that because it was also the first time a Space Marine was seen to be sprinting in Terminator Armor
Actually the second time. The first time is when the blood angels were fighting. The orcs the orks were in retreat and one of them turned around and saw a blood angel in terminator armor Now the ork brain functions with the more of them that there are, the more their belief manifests in reality, and for them. The color red means fast. So without the marine himself, even realizing it. He suddenly started charging at a clip of like 80 km an hour and just tore right through them. He didn't even realize that he had just killed them until about 5 minutes later when he finally was able to stop After clearing so much ground in the blink of an eye. I forget which book this was in. But the marine himself swore to himself that he would never speak of this to any one because not only would No member of his chapter believe him , but he would also be probably taken before the inquisition for corruption. But technically he was the one who did it before logan grimnar. A marine who in terminator armor moved faster than a white scar on a motorbike
42:52 Seige Fenris.
Seige. Fenris.
This man is a fool
"They sent 109 Grey knights that surrounded him and he proceeded to kill 98.9% of them. Thirteen survived."
I have to object to your math.
I do agree to an extent with PancreasNoWork's take that it is so stupid that there are no further repercussions for this. I mean, the Badab War was fought for less.
Awesome I just read this book last month. Starting reading the emperors gift thinking it was just a grey knight book and had NO clue it was the months of shame until the book literally said it by name
Same! Knew a little bit about the Months of Shame, but didn’t realize it came from this book. Quite a surprise. Fantastic book.
49:29 I imagine Bjorn bends his metal body in such a slow way that everyone can hear his metal creak and groan. Then he gets it at the right angle for the logan to see into visor to his actual body
3rd episode on the Space Wolves, still haven't mentioned that they are a legion numbering over 7000 marines, they are the last real legion (black templars use loopholes)
Grimmnar is the epitome of "beware the fury of a quiet man"
It was so cool hearing about DK's grandpa. It's always really interesting to me when people can relate 40K stuff to their personal lives.
The biggest thing to remember about the Inquisition, which I'm surprised wasn't mentioned, is their creed: "Innocence proves nothing." Those 7 sick people were innocent, but when spared cost an Imperial world. All of the Steel Legion may be innocent and, especially in the eyes of the Space Wolves, should be praised for their work in defending Armageddon, but just because a residual demonic incursion hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't. Innocence proves nothing, and the Inquisition would see to it by any means that planetary disaster doesn't come to pass... man fuck the Inquisition lol
My man forgot to mention High King Logan fucking Grimnar sprinted down corridors splitting fuckers into bits in TERMINATOR armor (which he shouldn't be able to do but fuck you, angry wolf man). He also was using his new Axe of Morkai which he took from Angron and his legion for winning. Which has a sliver of Khornes power in it.
Every time I hear about Armageddon I think about Helsreach.
If a video on the Black Templars is ever done I imagine an episode about Reclusiarch Grimaldus would revolve almost entirely around his time spent on Armageddon defending the Hive City and aiding the Celestial Lions against Inquisitorial sabotage.
Not sure if you’re aware, but they already did a video on the Black Templars (Valrak was a guest for that episode).
@@ShadowGhost0117 Yeah, I remember that one but it felt a lot more of Valrak gushing over them more so than discussing their founding and history. Something more proper is something I was looking for, if not just an episode here and there highlighting the big names within the Chapter's history (Sigismund, Helbrecht, Grimaldus). Since the adventures of Grimaldus are covered in Helsreach and Blood and Fire, a book club episode would be a good alternative.
@@ayyitsrith honestly I agree, I feel that they need to do something like that for the Dark Angels since they didn’t really cover too much of the 30k lore (certain characters like Corswain, Marduk Sedras, the Dark Age weapons caches, the Excindio, a bit more of the Hexagrammaton and how members of the wings or various orders could take command over the normal officers if they’re skills were more suited for the task).
Thanks to you nutcases, every time the Space Wolves get mentioned, my dissolving brain goes: Woof Woof Woof! Let's go!
This episode pleases me
*bows* We live to serve, oh venerable one
one of our hips always lie's the other always tells the truth
*lies
Feels great listening to these episodes - with all the memes and Space Wolves I'd never really cared until now. Was thinking of doing an Imperial Fist focused SM army one day but might now look into SWs just because this lore is so good.
Love the reaction to ,,he decides to seage Fenris." Pure gold! 🤣
One of these episodes really should have talked about the individual companies of the Space Wolfs. At least one could have mentioned that the "chapter" does not adhere to the rules regarding the limit of 1000 people. There are thousands of Space Wolves. Thats the main reason, why you should not fuck with them.
Ye they are still near legion strenght
@@FrostWolfPack Not rly. More like 5 or 6 chapters.
That's still more than enough to f up anybody who gets any Funny ideas about trying to put a collar on the wolf pack
@@FrostWolfPack only the smallest legions at their absolute lowest though. There are 12 Great Companies, each having double to triple the amount of marines as normal, with the first company being even larger still. That's about 3000-4000 marines. Ragnar's company in the 7th edition codex is listed as 188 members, but if the units were filled out properly they'd be closer to 270
Space Marine units are never at full strength
in "The Fall of Cadia" book there is an Inquisitor who also is like "we have to contain the corruption!" and tries to stop the evacuation.
The Guard is like "you should be careful, there are still enemy snipers in the area." and then just shoot the Inquisitor.
To The Lost Primarch-seethe, cope, mald.
After learning 40k for a while, I wonder how could transport ship able to carry any named dreadnaught when everyone of them has massive adamantine balls
note about the Fang: while yes its often mostly enpty of marines since they are often busy elsewhere, there is still plenty of serfs and the place is so fortified that the only place thats more heavily fortified in the entire imperium is the imperial palace on Terra... that fortress is no joke marines or not