“6.5 should have a 6.5 muzzle brake”. I don’t think you’d know the difference. I have argued this for years with people. Finally Ultimate Reloader did a full video showing that there is very little difference for muzzle brakes with over sized bores. They were very surprised. Great video. You should check it out.
@@lobo-uh2tb I don’t know what they’re going for today, but I bought mine in July of 2021 in Long Island, NY and I paid $1400 roughly. It’s the toys you add to it that will get ya! 😬
I just finished my first prs build last week. Didn’t want to go all out since I’m new to the sport, but I’ve got a Tikka T3X lite in 223 Rem, set in a MDT XRS chassis with a vortex venom on top. I also just put together a nice reloading set with all the special tools to dial in a solid load. All that’s left now is to learn to shoot better, and figure out how to use all the fancy tools I bought. Wish me luck!
Nice one mate, I'm building a very similar setup. Started off as a Tikka roughtec lite in 223, MDT elite muzzle brake (can't recommend that enough) Leopold mark 5HD optic. Lightened trigger spring. MDT ckye pod bipod. Just waiting on my MDT HNT26 stock to complete the build. First custom load tests produced amazing groups shooting prone. Smallest group was less than a 1/4MOA at 100m. Largest was a 1/2MOA. It's a great calibre I reckon. Can't wait to try my hand at some competition shooting. Good luck with yours!
@@cortilach unfortunately my muzzle isn’t threaded, or I’d definitely give it a look. Maybe if I replace the barrel in the future… Ckye pod is a little out of my budget, but I have been looking into the grnd pod. There aren’t very many reviews out there though, so it makes the decision between that and an atlas just that much harder.
@@gabesailer1171I hear you, ckye pod is stupid expensive, but kinda worth it. Heaps better than the old Harris bipod I was running. But from what I've heard, the grnd pod is an excellent option. All the MDT gear is good.
I loooooove my Bergara B-14 HMR! Extremely accurate! I put a nice Vortex scope on it and it shoots like a dream. Except: as an ex-military sniper and an active bear hunter I am using 300 Win Mag. And I just LOVE IT!!!!!!
I’ve taken many elk with my 300 win b14 HMR. Great rifle, but heavy especially with a suppressor if you’re humping over hill and dale. I think I’ll invest in a lighter .308 for a ruck/tree stand gun and flex between the two depending on the hunt.
@@jackryan9710I have the lefty HMR in .308, it’s perfect for everything. It has a 20” barrel so it is quite handy for woods hunting, but I’m confident out to 400 yards, and have secured deer at that range. It is heavy but I’m not lugging it around back country and I walk 3/4 mile at MOST to my stand. Love it!!
After watching a bunch of your videos over and over again, I bought a Bergara B-14 Wilderness HMR in 6.5 Creedmoor. I've only shot it twice and I'm already getting 1/2 moa groups regularly when I do my part. Great rifle. Great videos. 👍
I hunt with my Ruger American with Vortex II scope. It will shoot 1/2 MOA at 100-150 yards all day. For longer ranges I use my HMR Pro in 6.5cm. I use the Sig BDX system and love it!
Howa 1500 308, outstandingly accurate rifle with amazing trigger, easily hit 800yrd + targets, although the cat is out of the bag now and they are going up in price, got mine for just over $500 with 20 inch heavy barrel.
Still a great pump gun even though it is mostly plastic, th-cam.com/users/postUgkxh4su9YgU1tWmjikirWcKJbjsFLEU62Bc but with care it will last a long time. It would be neat if Crosman would make a commemorative version of this with real wood stock, but of course it would weigh more and cost more, but hey, it would be cool. The included scope is more of a toy, but it does work for backyard plinking. I prefer to use pellets for greater accuracy, but BBs are just as good for plinking. This is not a Red Ryder folks; fully pumped it is 3 times the power of a Red Ryder and can be dangerous if not handled properly. Be safe out there.
@@nickschaps4022 I’m not sure on that one, I have a tikka veil in .308 and a howa 1500 in 30-06 with a 2 stage trigger. After that first stage of take up, the howa breaks oh so good. I know mine has the HACT trigger. Maybe that’s the difference? 🤷♂️ I prefer that trigger over the Tikka. And having shot the savage 110 tactical, I much prefer the Howa 2 stage over the accutrigger. If you wanna talk triggers…both my CVA cascades at $600 have a much better trigger than my $1200 Tikka. I’m happy with the Tikka, but trigger wise, the cascades beet the Tikka.
Did all my training as a sniper, on the m24. Which is a Remington 700 in 308. So I'm biased as hell when it comes to all these new calibers. But my pick for the best long range rifle is the FN spr A1. Good vid guys
Hello from Ireland, Had the Tac A1 for 6 years in 308, best rifle I ever had. Cost €2250. I now use a Sako trg. The difference is, it will shoot any ammo. The Bergara HMR is fantastic, but heavy if your running around. Retail for around €1800. It's 22lr trainer is a fantastic set-up. Great video
@saloneju , well first of all, it's a lot cheaper than trg. But the tack A1 only likes certain ammo. I have yet to complain about Sako when it comes to ammo. The only problem with this, is we can't reload in Ireland
@raymondoreilly7569 Thanks for the reply. Used TRGs pop up somewhat regularly here in Finland, and their price (even in good condition) can even be lower than that of a new TAC A1. I haven't got to reloading either.
I liked my Tac A-1 in 223 so much I bought one in 308. I liked the 308 so much I bought my wife one in 6.5 Creedmoor. We love our Tikkas. I also have T3 Tacticals in 308 and 223. Each of these are very accurate. I reload using Lapua brass. I also found they shoot Federal Premium cartridges very well for store bought. I’m very pleased with Tikka.
I run a B-14 Wilderness Ridge and the bolt does have a little catch at the top of the throw but dry fire training makes that easy. You can’t break a bolt from running it too hard so run that Bad Larry.
I liked the HMR but wanted a full chassis rifle so i ended up going with the B14 B.M.P in 6.5. 1/8 twist, 24" barrel, and weight of 12lbs. Found it new 3 years ago just under $1000.00 u.s. topped it off with a vortex viper PST GEN II FFP 5X25X50 for another $800.00. So far I've been really happy with it.
Your comment on second hand arms is bang on. I bought my first GenII RPR for ~$1200 AUD when the Gen3 had just been released I put the savings into a better scope and reloading set and could not be happier. I own a few of the Tikka T3X and could not agree more on how butter silk the actions are, even without the coating on the bolt. Biggest down side is the magazines for them. My first upgrade to any is a replacement bottom metal to accept the AICS mags
I recently purchased a Ruger RPR 6.5 CM. I’ve put about 100 rounds through it. Awesome Rifle. Shooting Hornady 147 gr ELD match. Almost every single 5 shot group at 100 yards has been .25 to .5 moa. I shot some federal 140 gr and it was meh. 1 moa to .75. Ordered some hornady 143 gr ELD X but the 147 gr seems to be the winner. If anyone else is shooting the RPR please let me know what factory ammo is working for you.
i have a gen 1 version of that same rifle in 6.5 cm and the 147 grain eld is also my best factory loading mine will shoot 3/4 moa consistently with it.
Surprisingly, Sellier & Bellot 140gr Soft point was giving me 0.5MOA groups at my most recent range day. Hadn't fired it yet and was blown away. REALLY cheap, really clean brass, too.
Just ordered another Howa 1500, my 4th. Went with the 16" heavy barrel in 6.5 creedmoor. I already had a B&C stock, Atlas BM, Vortex scope. I'll have just north of a grand all in!
As a .308 Savage 110 Tactical owner, I could not be happier for the price point and phenomenal accuracy. This is in comparison to some custom and much improved rifles I own and shoot. The 110 is topped with a Vortex Strike Eagle in Mrad. The gun has exceeded my expectations, which were admittedly low, on every use out to 800 yds thus far.
Not trying to start an argument here, but if you own custom long range rifles, why did you buy the 110? Was it in a different, cheaper caliber? I'm fairly new to LRPS and looking at different platforms/brands, so I'm curious why you'd go backwards in budget.
I have one as well in 308 and I got the long barrel version (24" instead of 20"). I wanted a "sniper rifle" to add to my collection but didn't wanna spend a lot of money. Researched it and it's all the reasons stated in the video. I don't have to bed it. I can adjust comb and LOP and don't need to get another stock. It already has 20 MOA rail. It's already threaded. It has a trigger that doesn't need to be upgraded. It's basically already ready to go package. Extremely economical. And it's definitely sub-MOA. Not sub-0.5 MOA but it's plenty accurate for all but competition shooting. I don't like the grip angle and bottom of the stock. I wish the bottom was flat instead of angled. The sling point digs into my hand when I support the stock.
@@steveh5307 savage axis .270win 3-9x40mm bushnell scope a Ordinary rifle But a sniper in my hands. Its not the gun its the person using it. See a sniper rifle is any rifle in the hands of a sniper thats the only time a rifle becomes a snipers rifle other then that its just a regular rifle. And you can't call your self a sniper till your taught by one to be one. I shoot sub 1/8"moa or better 🤔 id hit a dime at 400yrds in the dark. I'd put 5 rounds through one hole
@@forkthepork Utilitarian reasons. The gun was 10x cheaper, the scope 1/4 the cost, it shoots .25 moa wider than the high dollar guns in the practical ranges I can actually deploy such a rifle for real world use. I carry and shoot this gun much more than the custom. While not capable of the same accuracy, it’s accurate enough. How many car collectors drive their most prized/expensive auto to work every day?
I fell in love with the RPR when they first released. I had a chance to shoot one of the 1st Gens, and I couldn't stop smiling. But that price was outside of my budget. So, I worked a service job part time and saved my tips. It took me 2 years, but the day finally came. The owner of the gun store gave my baby to me for $1000 and even bent over backward to find my desired scope and rings. She is my pride and joy.
You can get a Howa 1500 and an MDT Oryx for under $900. You can get a solid optic for $400. So for about $1,300 you're in the game and able to shoot accurately at long range. Or you can get a short action 1500 with the Hera H7 chassis for under $750.
i have a howa 1500 in 22-250, thing makes me giggle as it groups rounds into a single larger hole and the varmint barrel means it doesnt even recoil beyond a gentle push into your shoulder. i traded an old pistol for it at a gun shop, used, never fired, straight trade. i never regretted it.
+ @@theindooroutdoorsman Perhaps we have different definitions, i am not referring to the bullet tumbling and going thru sideways, i am referring to multiple rounds hitting so tight that it starts making one larger hole that is hard to distinguish individual rounds from each other.
@@nicodemus7784 Keyholing is when the round tumbles and leaves an oblong hole on the target. You were probably looking for tack driving or driving tacks.
I did lots of research on all makes of rifles, I went with a Styer pro hunter in 30.06, Styer was the inventor of cold hammer forged barrels,they were the first to build a sniper rifle for the military,and there sub Moa is guaranteed or they will buy the rifle back. A Styer will out shoot any thing you have there. Look into Styer before blowing you’re horn to loud
I had a Steyr Prohunter in 7 mag. Missed a great buck because the safe action safety didn’t trip the bolt when I tried to switch it to fire. It was accurate, but I don’t miss it. Hunted with it for 20 years. I’d take a Tikka CTR over it every time now.
@@efl7750 It’s hard to beat the Styer , The safety is something that you have to get used to that is for sure, but that’s the way the Mauser action was made, so was the model 70 Winchester
You are 100% correct on Savage 110 @5:35 Mine refused to reject or fire after 10-15 shots. I had to return it, and went with Tikka. Never regretted it, even though Savage 110 could have been a bit more accurate.
Chambering can make a significant difference in accuracy. The new 6.5 creedmoor and all the PRC cartridges are specified with tighter chamber tolerances compared to the old 7mm rem mag for example. You are basically getting a match grade chamber. On average the 6.5 creedmoor will be more accurate in factory rifles using factory ammo.
Tighter chambers in regard to SAAMI spec AND ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, will shoot SAAMI spec FACTORY ammo more consistently as long as the factory ammo isn’t too long while still meeting the spec tolerance window. The reamers for the 6.5 C are not all the same either. Early on there were variances and those variant reamers are still floating around. The new Hornady offerings ( 6.5C, 6.5 PRC, etc) do not have a tighter SAAMI tolerance. SAAMI tolerance is the same as any other chambering. Go to SAAMI website and look it up yourself. Custom, tighter chambers with turned necks and etc can, may, might, offer better consistency when going after lower velocity S.D.’s, ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, but that ain’t the holy grail in precision. The holy grail starts with an amazing barrel and a balance of everything else as required. Yes, I meant to repeat myself.
@@m4rvinmartian Hornady, the company who released all the PRC cartridges and the the creedmoors has made this info public and they talk about it in their podcast
I was shopping for a .308 deer rifle but the big box store was "sold out", but I found a used Howa 1500 in .243 Win. that had a Hough overmolded stock and came with a 6-20 scope for 450 bucks (deer joke). After tweaking the zero and getting a feel for the gun, I repeatedly shot 100 yd. 3/4 in. groups, with an occasional flyer.Most accurate rifle I've ever had or shot.
I'd choose a Howa any day. I have one in .308. 243 is a better round for what I like to hunt but 308 is cheaper to shoot. Sad Howa isn't on this list because they are incredible for the price.
Tikka TACT A1 Mine shoots 0.3 to 0.4 MOA with reloaded 6.5 Creedmoor ammo. It comes with a very nice 2 stage trigger that has a very clean break. No need to upgrade the trigger. It has a medium heavy hammer forged barrel that seems to shoot everything really well that I load it with. Not fussy about bullets or jump. Not fussy about a dirty barrel either. It’s too heavy to carry around for hunting but the weight is really nice to have at the range. It also comes in .308.
I think Ruger American ii is the new budget king side by side with CVA cascade. And if you can pay a bit more then next stop is tikka t3x light. I’ve done a toooooon of research
I’d say if you’re really on a budget and want something accurate the old Marlin X7’s are worth your time, just bed the stock, thread the muzzle, and you’re in the game. Savages are great, especially for a budget precision rifle, the OG Accu-Trigger was awesome. Bergara B-14’s are the best in the mid-range class, while Tikka T3’s and the Mauser M18 seems comparable. I had a M99A1 and that was the most expensive rifle I’ve experienced. Bergara’s are where it’s at.
A lot of folks dis Savage. I have a .22 and an FCP McMillan in .308. Both are great rifles and don’t get the respect that they deserve. Great value! And yes the Tikka TAC A1 is spectacular!
I built a Savage 110 quite a few years back. It was in .270 and I was into handloading at the time. I started at 4/5 maximum load and the shot groups were pretty erratic. I started going down on the powder loads and watched the groups get tighter every time till finally they were all going thru the same hole. I can't say enough about the 110 if you are on a budget. With 6 kids, I know I was.
for those who want a good mid tier option the bergara hmr pro in 6mm is fantastic. for around $1600USD this is a great choice and has an upgraded bolt over the b-14 which makes the action super smooth. The tika x3 is also a great choice for budget
Bergara crest, best of both worlds, Bergara’s are always shooters, but heavy. HMR is great, but heavy. The crest in my opinion is a good option. Around the same price.
@@samhouston5217 Not really. Christiansen puts out some of the absolute worst rifles in the industry. I've never seen a rifle shoot 4" groups at 50 yards until I saw a Christiansen do it. Their QC is horrific and so is their customer service.
My Mesa 338 Lapua is 1 MOA at 100yds so I'm happy with mine for sure. I can't speak to anything else other than my own experience on that. @@OhshitPositive
The RUGER RPR has, like the TIKKA, a cold hammer forged barrel and will last longer than a cut rifled or button rifled barrel. Plus the RPR has 5R rifling which, with 5 lands and grooves, puts grooves opposite the lands and the lands and grooves are radiuses, thus the "R" in 5R. Barrels with 5R rifling have good gas seal resulting in a bit better velocity and little "beak-in" time. (BTW, I like my 6.5 CM RPR.)
Im lookin to get my first gun and I want to get into precision shooting. Ive been watching the Savage axis but I think im going for a Howa 1500 instead. I want it in 6.5 Creed. Ive been super torn for months now between .308 and 6.5 creed. Im goin with 6.5 creed for now but I will get a .308 later. But before I buy any rifle I am going to buy a 12 gauge shotgun. The versatility of a 12 gauge is unmatched and I believe whole heartedly itll be the best choice for a 1st gun
Howa 1500 is a great choice. Personally it's go with 308 as a first rifle because ammo is much cheaper. Get good with that and then pick up a 6.5. Twelve gauge can do anything you want it do. Shotguns are my personal favorite. You'll start with one and end up owning twenty.
I'm currently in the process buying a bergara b14 hmr with a vortex venom 5-25, cadex muzzle break and a bipod for 1900$. Getting a great deal for this one from a previous owner.
Bergara BMP, best bang for the buck. Accuracy, quality, precision. If I didn’t end up purchasing the BMP I would have bought the Bergara B14 action with a KRG bravo stock.
I haven't shot my Bergara HMR a lot, but now that I got a good scope for it [Vortex Strike Eagle 5-25/56] for Christmas, there will be no stopping me [except for ammo prices, maybe]. One reason to prefer the Bergara is it's use of AICS magzines. I have several that I use in my Ruger Scout. It may not be a prime consideration in terms of accuracy or overall quality, but it's a consideration none the less.
@@michaelhill6451 Saying one brand is more accurate than another is simply not true, also if you're going to shoot in matches AICS mags are the way to go, they are relatively cheap,available, and several companies make them. Rifle companies that make proprietary mags in Precision rifles are just trying to screw you. If I toss one of my mags on a station and then crush it I'm not that upset LOL. Also posting group sizes is ridiculous, EVERY gun shoots a .3218756" group once in a while......
Savage makes a 110 with a McMillan style stock that is around 1000-1100 depending on where you get it. I have one in 300 winchester magnum and I love it. Light enough to pack around and heavy enough that it doesn't beat the crap out of you with recoil.
Had a remington 700p in a mdt tac 21 chassis for years and years. It was a super accurate bench gun. It was so heavy. Recently sold it in favor of weight in mind. Now have a savage trail hunter lite that i am testing in .308. Im sure it will provide years of sub moa accuracy at 8 pounds with the scope. That remington was probably 20 pounds.
Every savage I’ve shot has been an absolute tac driver. Even my Axis Xp in 6.5 creedmoor groups at 6” @1000 yards with my hand loads. That said, I’ve never had a savage that was exempt from the failure to extract issue, and therefore won’t likely buy another.
I have the savage 110 desert tactical in 6.5 PRC 1/2 in 5 shoot groups with factory Hornady 143gr ammo and even better with hand loads And I agree the best long range starter rifles made.
I have two of the rifles you reviewed. A Savage Axis II Precision in 6.5 Creedmore and a Bergara B14 HMR in 308. The Bergara shoots as good as my five thousand dollar ground-up custom-built rifle. I get consistent 0.3-inch groups with Sierra Palma Match 155s and Barnes 130-grain TTSXs. It doe I did replace the trigger with a Trigger Tech because the factory trigger was a little creepy. The Savage shoots great, and the first load I came up with using 140-grain ELDMs shoots just about 0.7-inch groups. I found the trigger very nice and have no plans to change it out. I disagree with buying used rifles because you never know why they were sold. I know I personally sell any rifle I can't get to shoot to my standards with a reasonable effort. I know others do the same. It's always somewhat of a roll of the dice with a mass-produced off-the-shelf rifle as far as accuracy goes. Sometimes you get lucky sometimes you don't.
I run a howa 1500 heavy barrel in an XRS chass.. great barrelled action base for a build.. people who tell you howas don't shoot can't shoot themselves
just a tip. You can always research what the rifle likes and than you dont have to spend a lot of money to try match ammo. You can short the list and save money
I got a Savage 110 chambered in Creedmore 6.5. I added a front tripod/brace, a good day/night scope and a silencer/suppressor. Now if the SHTF I feel ready especially when they come at night. However, I have been totally unable to find any sub-sonic 6.5 Creedmore ammo - not even a place where I could custom order/prepay for any.
Several years ago, I was tasked with building a sniper rifle for our Sheriff's Office. Limited budget so went with the Savage 110 and a Redfield scope. 308 caliber and it shot very good groups at 100 and 200 yards.
I just got a B14 HMR Wilderness in 6.5 CRD with a Sig Tango 4 6-24x50 on it. I was going between that, the X Bolt Max Long Range and the Tikka UPR and I felt like the HMR was the best value! I got it for $875!
Watching the range performance of shooting the Bergara; the bolt action was anything BUT "smooth". Shooter actually had to fight with it to both eject AND chamber another round.
😂 I own a bergara b-14 and the actions are butter. The issues is this guy has absolutely terrible form 😂. I actually laughed my entire way through his video personally. But to each their own. Putting a savage axis on this list was the first thing that got me dying. They are so inconsistent on build quality you don’t put them anywhere near precision. The bergara b-14 and the tikka t3x is where performance out of the box starts. Browning x bolts perform well with a $10 spring for the trigger to upgrade it. Bergara are a built up Remingtons 700 basically. They perform better out of the box but you can built 700’s to be honestly some if not the best rifles. Their is a reason they are a common sniper in the military with a couple parts thrown at them. Anything precision is going to have a heavy barrel on it. Light barrels are for hunting and mobility and low shot quantities. That’s why they suck after 3 shots. So much misinformation in this 😂. But he’s a Canadian so I wouldn’t expect much.
@@XxBigDAWG22xXBigDawg says it so it must be true! I love when people talk shit about someone that’s actually out creating content for people to watch and is literally on the video shooting every rifle that’s being discussed while the shit-talker is just repeating whatever their favorite fake-ass TactiCool TH-cam gun-guy said in their video about it. Having probably never fired anything more than whatever worn out bolt gun his cousin used to deer hunt with. You’re talking shit about the man’s form but we can’t see how your groups look. You mentioned him being Canadian as if it’s a disease. That just means he has to work five times harder to create gun content because of Canada’s insane Leftist firearms laws. It’s ignorant, xenophobic, nonsensical comments like that that contribute to the stereotype that gun guys are just stupid, hypermasculine idiots with a Napoleon complex. The same stereotype that’s currently being used to slowly but surely whittle away at our constitutional rights with the ultimate end-goal being an outright ban and confiscation of pretty much anything outside of a pump shotgun or a .22LR bolt gun. So, keep talking shit and making yourself sound more and more like the bully from high school that didn’t get enough attention at home. It’s super helpful and people definitely read it and think you’re really cool and tough. Moron.
@@rmac5530being a noobie at bolt action, if anyone should have a problem should be me, I’ve got a bergara HMR in 308 and seems buttery smooth, gonna get a more affordable 6.5 for fun comparison.
I’ve always wanted a Tikka, and have had to own Savage 110’s because that’s my budget. The savage is a phenomenal rifle for the money. But after shooting a friends Bergara that will be the rifle I buy this year. Maybe Tikka will find it’s way into my safe someday.
I just got the Bergara HMR Pro in 6.5 Creedmoor for $1075 tonight. A bunch of sites put it on sale for this price which really makes no sense because it is $725 below MSPR and only $125 above the regular HMR. Keep your eyes peeled for more great deals the closer we get to shot show and as companies clear inventory for new models being announced.
@J Rideout It was from Family Firearms. They sold out within minutes of the sale going live. Keep an eye out though, there have been good deals on Tikkas and some Rugers the past couple of weeks too.
My Savage 110BA in 338 LM was bought for $1900 at a time where the big name stores were charging $2100-$2400 .It was from the original pre-order that forced stores to buy at least 1unit of all 3 calibers it came in , nobody local to this small rural shop wanted to spend the cost of ammo for 338lm so this rifle was discounted to clear so their money wasn't tied up sitting on the wall for eternity The longer 26 " with the 1in 9 twist that only came in this caliber barrel makes this a tack hammer at conventional ranges and has been 1200m regularly using Kool aid filled water bottles . The brass clearing issue is easily remedied by any competent gunsmith for minimal charge and in my case only the Hornaday brass was sticky , the cheapo S&B and the Remington rounds that I tried had zero issues other than the S&B being kinda dirty and requiring a quick cleaning after every 10 or 15 rounds .
I owned a regular Savage 110 in .243 when it first was released. I very much regret selling it a few years later. I put a thumbhole stock that I customized on it with pillar bedding. I could shoot a group at 200 yards that would touch or fall into a quarter. Magnificent firearm. (sigh) A man does what he must in hard times. My plan was to shoot competitively. Sadly, I'm too damn old for that now.
I had a Savage 111 in 300 win mag. It was a tack driver. I sold it to a friend to finish paying for my CZ Shadow 2. Now I love my CZ but hindsight I think I would rather have my 300 win mag back.
I agree. I bought a Savage Model 14 in .243 and it was amazing. I bought it for my son and he will take it to his grave. Even the stock seemed very high quality wood.
I shoot frequently but with AR10s and AR15s, lately often I’ve been thinking of getting a bolt gun. I use to hunt with a Sako so the Tikka is probably what I’d get. I never had a 6.5 so I guess I’d go with that. With a new rifle and new caliber plus reloading supplies and equipment I have a feeling this could get expensive fast.
Bergara HMR in 6.5 PRC! Hard to beat the performance and function. Spend a couple hundred bucks on installing a better trigger, and you're off to the races!
I had 2 other bolt action rifles before I picked up my first Bergara B14 HMR. Hands down the best bolt action rifle I’ve ever shot, and for less than $1K. I can use it for precision long range shooting or hunting. It is a bit heavy, but I’m not an avid hunter that’s going to hike out miles with it. If I was an avid hunter, I’d lean towards the TIKA T3.
I have an older Savage 10 FCP-SR in 308 with a 24" barrel and threw a Viper HST on it. It's okay, but the bolt can get hung up sometimes... so it's nothing to write home about. Last month, I bought a Tikka T3X CTR in 308 with the smaller 20" barrel and slapped a KRG Bravo chassis, a YoDave trigger spring, and a Leupy Mark 5. This is the way.
CTR shoots great, Try the Hornady 143Gr ELD-X in it ;) Had a Vortex Viper PSTII 25x on there for a while (low rings work), was a good starter. Upgraded to a NX8 32x and there is a noticeable difference in tracking, picture quality, and in field reliability . The Nightforce has yet to need re-zero after being dragged through the field and knocked around a bit. With the Viper it was a crapshoot to guess if it needed re-zero after a day or 2 of trekking around, out of 3 of them owned by my hunting buds this year 2 failed to hold zero before the season was half over and needed to go back for warrantee. Not sure if its the -26 temperatures doing it but that seemed to have a negative effect on how the tubes move inside the unit. With scopes you generally get what you pay for. General rule is you want to pay about as much or more for the optic than you did for the rifle itself to avoid it being your performance bottleneck. I've learned to stick with the major manufacturers, there is a reason you don't see these "off brands" on any F-Class shooting lines. Buy once.. Cry once.
@@EpikArms As a suggestion, would you consider putting the optics in a freezer for half a day before adjusting them and testing how they perform? Basic test would be to see if the contraction from the cold impedes the movement of the tubes inside the scopes. Thanks again for the great video!
Extremely informative and well-presented comparison. Honestly, I never even considered the Savage 110 Tactical until watching this video. I had been focusing in on the Bergara B14 HMR. Now I'm not sure if it's worth spending the extra $400-ish on the Bergara for rifle that will be used strictly at the range and probably not for competition. Or to put it differently, the Savage is 2/3's the price of the Bergara. The bolt throw angle difference has me considering scope clearance, preferring the 70-degree of the Savage. But the Bergara's stock features are far superior to the Savage's. Thoughts?
Have several long range precision rifles. My Savage 110 Elite Precision in 6.5 Creedmoor with my Vortex Razor is an unreal rifle. Sub MOA and 1000 yard monster
I’ve had two extremely accurate rifles. One was a dead stock Remington 40XB-BR in 222 REM the othe was a real benchrest rifle assembled by a notable gunsmith on a Wichita 1375 in 22PPC. those two woul make single hole five shot groups. Other great rifles I had was a Rem 721 in 300 H&H that would make a group at 200 yards that could be covered with a quarter. Another notable gun was a stock FN Mauser made for Venezuelan 1954 PanAm games with open sights it would make MOA groups off a rest. That was the best finished and feeling military rifle I’d ever seen.
I have a .260 Rem Magpul with heavy barrel that was clearance brand new $899. It is a tack driver. Replaced x-mark pro trigger (which wasn't bad but couldn't get below 3#) with Timney. It is nicer than savage and better action. Only have taken it to 300 yds but it it is sub moa easily. My favorite gun I own with Vortex diamondback tactical scope. If I put better glass I'm sure it could ring steel to 1000 easily. Where I live we don't have much long range shooting ranges.
Accurate Factory rifle I have ever owned is a 270 Winchester short mag Savage American classic 114 with the accutrigger at 200 yards the shots are right around one inch with my hand mode on a good day I can get it to about 3/4 of an inch. Leupold Boone and Crockett scope 4 by 16 by 56 mm Bell
Im so glad I bought my t3x tac 1 when I did. When I bought mine it was $1879. They are now $2250 but tbh, I would pay the $2250 for it if I didn’t own one
It's weird to me that nobody's taking the Browning X-Bolt in consideration. I got one with the GRS laminated stock and fluted medium/heavy 24 inches barrel. Shooting 100/105 grs 243. It's a half minute riffle at minimum... 🖖🏻🇫🇷😎🇫🇷😎🇫🇷🖖🏻
@ 6:20 you state caliber selection has less impact on accuracy than barrel cut (paraphrased) that isn't entirely correct and is very oversimplified. For example the 6.5 CM is significantly more accurate then the .308 Win (see the PRS Blog article on the topic for details and reference). Another cartridge/caliber that is inherently accurate is .223 Remington. Regarding barrel cut, it is obviously important, but blueprinting of the action is also key. I'll save the discussion about the button rifling vs cut rifling.
“6.5 should have a 6.5 muzzle brake”. I don’t think you’d know the difference. I have argued this for years with people. Finally Ultimate Reloader did a full video showing that there is very little difference for muzzle brakes with over sized bores. They were very surprised. Great video. You should check it out.
Mine is the Ruger Precision 308 and I will never get rid of it. Amazing rifle and that’s why it has “precision” in the name. Love it!
Dont they go for like 2500 dollars now
@@lobo-uh2tb I don’t know what they’re going for today, but I bought mine in July of 2021 in Long Island, NY and I paid $1400 roughly. It’s the toys you add to it that will get ya! 😬
@@IsraellDFend damn that was i realy nice price you got for yours 👍. i realy wanted one but at the price they are now its just to much
I paid 1600 for mine 1 week ago
I just finished my first prs build last week. Didn’t want to go all out since I’m new to the sport, but I’ve got a Tikka T3X lite in 223 Rem, set in a MDT XRS chassis with a vortex venom on top. I also just put together a nice reloading set with all the special tools to dial in a solid load. All that’s left now is to learn to shoot better, and figure out how to use all the fancy tools I bought. Wish me luck!
Absolutely
Welcome to shooting community
Good luck to you!
Nice one mate, I'm building a very similar setup. Started off as a Tikka roughtec lite in 223, MDT elite muzzle brake (can't recommend that enough) Leopold mark 5HD optic. Lightened trigger spring. MDT ckye pod bipod. Just waiting on my MDT HNT26 stock to complete the build. First custom load tests produced amazing groups shooting prone. Smallest group was less than a 1/4MOA at 100m. Largest was a 1/2MOA. It's a great calibre I reckon.
Can't wait to try my hand at some competition shooting.
Good luck with yours!
@@cortilach unfortunately my muzzle isn’t threaded, or I’d definitely give it a look. Maybe if I replace the barrel in the future…
Ckye pod is a little out of my budget, but I have been looking into the grnd pod. There aren’t very many reviews out there though, so it makes the decision between that and an atlas just that much harder.
@@gabesailer1171I hear you, ckye pod is stupid expensive, but kinda worth it. Heaps better than the old Harris bipod I was running. But from what I've heard, the grnd pod is an excellent option. All the MDT gear is good.
Good on you for mentioning used rifles. I picked up a Savage 110FCP at an outstanding price and it’s been a great rifle as I’ve been learning.
I loooooove my Bergara B-14 HMR! Extremely accurate! I put a nice Vortex scope on it and it shoots like a dream. Except: as an ex-military sniper and an active bear hunter I am using 300 Win Mag. And I just LOVE IT!!!!!!
Running that exact same rifle in 300 win (lefty) but I’m running Arken EP5.
I’ve taken many elk with my 300 win b14 HMR. Great rifle, but heavy especially with a suppressor if you’re humping over hill and dale. I think I’ll invest in a lighter .308 for a ruck/tree stand gun and flex between the two depending on the hunt.
@@jackryan9710I have the lefty HMR in .308, it’s perfect for everything. It has a 20” barrel so it is quite handy for woods hunting, but I’m confident out to 400 yards, and have secured deer at that range. It is heavy but I’m not lugging it around back country and I walk 3/4 mile at MOST to my stand. Love it!!
After watching a bunch of your videos over and over again, I bought a Bergara B-14 Wilderness HMR in 6.5 Creedmoor. I've only shot it twice and I'm already getting 1/2 moa groups regularly when I do my part. Great rifle. Great videos. 👍
That’s what I just bought today! Can’t wait to shoot it! What scope did you put on it?
i have it in 300 prc and its the best shooting factory rifle i own.
Bergara and tikka are pretty much the same accuracy.
@@brandonhonea4207 US Optics 5-25. Congrats!
Man I wish they made that rifle in .223
I hunt with my Ruger American with Vortex II scope. It will shoot 1/2 MOA at 100-150 yards all day. For longer ranges I use my HMR Pro in 6.5cm. I use the Sig BDX system and love it!
Which vortex?
Howa 1500 308, outstandingly accurate rifle with amazing trigger, easily hit 800yrd + targets, although the cat is out of the bag now and they are going up in price, got mine for just over $500 with 20 inch heavy barrel.
i am wondering if no one imports Howa to Canada? i was surprised to not see him list one. Howa makes the vanguard for Weatherby, which is a Howa 1500.
th-cam.com/video/g36zxONqRAw/w-d-xo.html couldnt hit a deer from 300yrds.
Glad You mentioned B14 HMR in 6.5cm. It rocks for the price!
Still a great pump gun even though it is mostly plastic, th-cam.com/users/postUgkxh4su9YgU1tWmjikirWcKJbjsFLEU62Bc but with care it will last a long time. It would be neat if Crosman would make a commemorative version of this with real wood stock, but of course it would weigh more and cost more, but hey, it would be cool. The included scope is more of a toy, but it does work for backyard plinking. I prefer to use pellets for greater accuracy, but BBs are just as good for plinking. This is not a Red Ryder folks; fully pumped it is 3 times the power of a Red Ryder and can be dangerous if not handled properly. Be safe out there.
The Tikka T3X CTR right out of the box is hands down the best rifle for the price.
I love my Tikka’s too! My T1X tactical shoots like a dream….👍🏻👍🏻
No. Howa 1500
@@hankhill3417 not even close to comparable to a Tikka, Howa triggers are garbage in comparison.
@@nickschaps4022 I’m not sure on that one, I have a tikka veil in .308 and a howa 1500 in 30-06 with a 2 stage trigger. After that first stage of take up, the howa breaks oh so good. I know mine has the HACT trigger. Maybe that’s the difference? 🤷♂️ I prefer that trigger over the Tikka. And having shot the savage 110 tactical, I much prefer the Howa 2 stage over the accutrigger. If you wanna talk triggers…both my CVA cascades at $600 have a much better trigger than my $1200 Tikka. I’m happy with the Tikka, but trigger wise, the cascades beet the Tikka.
Yes👍🏻
I hade minne for years and it is my best hunting rifle!
Did all my training as a sniper, on the m24. Which is a Remington 700 in 308. So I'm biased as hell when it comes to all these new calibers. But my pick for the best long range rifle is the FN spr A1. Good vid guys
Hello from Ireland,
Had the Tac A1 for 6 years in 308, best rifle I ever had. Cost €2250.
I now use a Sako trg. The difference is, it will shoot any ammo.
The Bergara HMR is fantastic, but heavy if your running around.
Retail for around €1800.
It's 22lr trainer is a fantastic set-up.
Great video
What's your take on the TAC A1 vs TRG? I'm deciding my next rifle between the two.
@saloneju , well first of all, it's a lot cheaper than trg. But the tack A1 only likes certain ammo. I have yet to complain about Sako when it comes to ammo.
The only problem with this, is we can't reload in Ireland
@raymondoreilly7569 Thanks for the reply. Used TRGs pop up somewhat regularly here in Finland, and their price (even in good condition) can even be lower than that of a new TAC A1. I haven't got to reloading either.
I liked my Tac A-1 in 223 so much I bought one in 308. I liked the 308 so much I bought my wife one in 6.5 Creedmoor. We love our Tikkas. I also have T3 Tacticals in 308 and 223. Each of these are very accurate. I reload using Lapua brass. I also found they shoot Federal Premium cartridges very well for store bought. I’m very pleased with Tikka.
I run a B-14 Wilderness Ridge and the bolt does have a little catch at the top of the throw but dry fire training makes that easy. You can’t break a bolt from running it too hard so run that Bad Larry.
I liked the HMR but wanted a full chassis rifle so i ended up going with the B14 B.M.P in 6.5. 1/8 twist, 24" barrel, and weight of 12lbs. Found it new 3 years ago just under $1000.00 u.s. topped it off with a vortex viper PST GEN II FFP 5X25X50 for another $800.00. So far I've been really happy with it.
I’m also running a Bergara BMP in 6.5 CM. For under 2 grand it’s easily the best rifle.
Your comment on second hand arms is bang on.
I bought my first GenII RPR for ~$1200 AUD when the Gen3 had just been released I put the savings into a better scope and reloading set and could not be happier.
I own a few of the Tikka T3X and could not agree more on how butter silk the actions are, even without the coating on the bolt.
Biggest down side is the magazines for them. My first upgrade to any is a replacement bottom metal to accept the AICS mags
I recently purchased a Ruger RPR 6.5 CM. I’ve put about 100 rounds through it. Awesome Rifle. Shooting Hornady 147 gr ELD match. Almost every single 5 shot group at 100 yards has been .25 to .5 moa. I shot some federal 140 gr and it was meh. 1 moa to .75. Ordered some hornady 143 gr ELD X but the 147 gr seems to be the winner. If anyone else is shooting the RPR please let me know what factory ammo is working for you.
i have a gen 1 version of that same rifle in 6.5 cm and the 147 grain eld is also my best factory loading mine will shoot 3/4 moa consistently with it.
@@dbobo2222 awesome. Thanks. I’m gonna try 143gr eld x because I have 3 boxes. I’ll try and remember and let you know how it shoots.
De-nice!
@@timothygarrity5181 lol. I had a friend named Denise. Called her that all the time.
Surprisingly, Sellier & Bellot 140gr Soft point was giving me 0.5MOA groups at my most recent range day. Hadn't fired it yet and was blown away. REALLY cheap, really clean brass, too.
Just ordered another Howa 1500, my 4th. Went with the 16" heavy barrel in 6.5 creedmoor. I already had a B&C stock, Atlas BM, Vortex scope. I'll have just north of a grand all in!
Good review. On budget end Ruger American Predator is my choice. Heavier barrel and threaded.
As a .308 Savage 110 Tactical owner, I could not be happier for the price point and phenomenal accuracy. This is in comparison to some custom and much improved rifles I own and shoot. The 110 is topped with a Vortex Strike Eagle in Mrad. The gun has exceeded my expectations, which were admittedly low, on every use out to 800 yds thus far.
Not trying to start an argument here, but if you own custom long range rifles, why did you buy the 110? Was it in a different, cheaper caliber? I'm fairly new to LRPS and looking at different platforms/brands, so I'm curious why you'd go backwards in budget.
I have one as well in 308 and I got the long barrel version (24" instead of 20"). I wanted a "sniper rifle" to add to my collection but didn't wanna spend a lot of money. Researched it and it's all the reasons stated in the video. I don't have to bed it. I can adjust comb and LOP and don't need to get another stock. It already has 20 MOA rail. It's already threaded. It has a trigger that doesn't need to be upgraded. It's basically already ready to go package. Extremely economical. And it's definitely sub-MOA. Not sub-0.5 MOA but it's plenty accurate for all but competition shooting. I don't like the grip angle and bottom of the stock. I wish the bottom was flat instead of angled. The sling point digs into my hand when I support the stock.
@@steveh5307 savage axis .270win 3-9x40mm bushnell scope a Ordinary rifle But a sniper in my hands. Its not the gun its the person using it. See a sniper rifle is any rifle in the hands of a sniper thats the only time a rifle becomes a snipers rifle other then that its just a regular rifle. And you can't call your self a sniper till your taught by one to be one. I shoot sub 1/8"moa or better 🤔 id hit a dime at 400yrds in the dark. I'd put 5 rounds through one hole
@@cordelainsmith8746man you’re so coooooool 😂
@@forkthepork Utilitarian reasons. The gun was 10x cheaper, the scope 1/4 the cost, it shoots .25 moa wider than the high dollar guns in the practical ranges I can actually deploy such a rifle for real world use. I carry and shoot this gun much more than the custom. While not capable of the same accuracy, it’s accurate enough. How many car collectors drive their most prized/expensive auto to work every day?
I fell in love with the RPR when they first released. I had a chance to shoot one of the 1st Gens, and I couldn't stop smiling. But that price was outside of my budget. So, I worked a service job part time and saved my tips. It took me 2 years, but the day finally came. The owner of the gun store gave my baby to me for $1000 and even bent over backward to find my desired scope and rings. She is my pride and joy.
You can get a Howa 1500 and an MDT Oryx for under $900. You can get a solid optic for $400. So for about $1,300 you're in the game and able to shoot accurately at long range. Or you can get a short action 1500 with the Hera H7 chassis for under $750.
i have a howa 1500 in 22-250, thing makes me giggle as it groups rounds into a single larger hole and the varmint barrel means it doesnt even recoil beyond a gentle push into your shoulder. i traded an old pistol for it at a gun shop, used, never fired, straight trade. i never regretted it.
@@nicodemus7784 Keyholing isn't good, you need to have your rifling checked.
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@@theindooroutdoorsman Perhaps we have different definitions, i am not referring to the bullet tumbling and going thru sideways, i am referring to multiple rounds hitting so tight that it starts making one larger hole that is hard to distinguish individual rounds from each other.
@@nicodemus7784 Keyholing is when the round tumbles and leaves an oblong hole on the target.
You were probably looking for tack driving or driving tacks.
I did lots of research on all makes of rifles, I went with a Styer pro hunter in 30.06, Styer was the inventor of cold hammer forged barrels,they were the first to build a sniper rifle for the military,and there sub Moa is guaranteed or they will buy the rifle back.
A Styer will out shoot any thing you have there.
Look into Styer before blowing you’re horn to loud
I had a Steyr Prohunter in 7 mag. Missed a great buck because the safe action safety didn’t trip the bolt when I tried to switch it to fire. It was accurate, but I don’t miss it. Hunted with it for 20 years. I’d take a Tikka CTR over it every time now.
@@efl7750 It’s hard to beat the Styer , The safety is something that you have to get used to that is for sure, but that’s the way the Mauser action was made, so was the model 70 Winchester
You are 100% correct on Savage 110 @5:35 Mine refused to reject or fire after 10-15 shots. I had to return it, and went with Tikka. Never regretted it, even though Savage 110 could have been a bit more accurate.
Just the video I needed. In the market for one right now.
glad i could help!
Now that was a great video ! Very informative
Chambering can make a significant difference in accuracy. The new 6.5 creedmoor and all the PRC cartridges are specified with tighter chamber tolerances compared to the old 7mm rem mag for example. You are basically getting a match grade chamber. On average the 6.5 creedmoor will be more accurate in factory rifles using factory ammo.
Interesting, I had no idea
Do you have any docs to back that up. Not that I don't want to take the word of a random person on the internet before I spread info like this.
Nope...same chambers as anything else.
Tighter chambers in regard to SAAMI spec AND ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, will shoot SAAMI spec FACTORY ammo more consistently as long as the factory ammo isn’t too long while still meeting the spec tolerance window.
The reamers for the 6.5 C are not all the same either. Early on there were variances and those variant reamers are still floating around.
The new Hornady offerings ( 6.5C, 6.5 PRC, etc) do not have a tighter SAAMI tolerance. SAAMI tolerance is the same as any other chambering. Go to SAAMI website and look it up yourself.
Custom, tighter chambers with turned necks and etc can, may, might, offer better consistency when going after lower velocity S.D.’s, ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, but that ain’t the holy grail in precision. The holy grail starts with an amazing barrel and a balance of everything else as required.
Yes, I meant to repeat myself.
@@m4rvinmartian Hornady, the company who released all the PRC cartridges and the the creedmoors has made this info public and they talk about it in their podcast
The ruger american ranch bolt action rifles are amazing!
Great video man. I love info without BS.
I was shopping for a .308 deer rifle but the big box store was "sold out", but I found a used Howa 1500 in .243 Win. that had a Hough overmolded stock and came with a 6-20 scope for 450 bucks (deer joke). After tweaking the zero and getting a feel for the gun, I repeatedly shot 100 yd. 3/4 in. groups, with an occasional flyer.Most accurate rifle I've ever had or shot.
I'd choose a Howa any day. I have one in .308. 243 is a better round for what I like to hunt but 308 is cheaper to shoot. Sad Howa isn't on this list because they are incredible for the price.
Tikka TACT A1 Mine shoots 0.3 to 0.4 MOA with reloaded 6.5 Creedmoor ammo. It comes with a very nice 2 stage trigger that has a very clean break. No need to upgrade the trigger. It has a medium heavy hammer forged barrel that seems to shoot everything really well that I load it with. Not fussy about bullets or jump. Not fussy about a dirty barrel either. It’s too heavy to carry around for hunting but the weight is really nice to have at the range. It also comes in .308.
I think Ruger American ii is the new budget king side by side with CVA cascade. And if you can pay a bit more then next stop is tikka t3x light. I’ve done a toooooon of research
I’d say if you’re really on a budget and want something accurate the old Marlin X7’s are worth your time, just bed the stock, thread the muzzle, and you’re in the game. Savages are great, especially for a budget precision rifle, the OG Accu-Trigger was awesome. Bergara B-14’s are the best in the mid-range class, while Tikka T3’s and the Mauser M18 seems comparable. I had a M99A1 and that was the most expensive rifle I’ve experienced. Bergara’s are where it’s at.
A lot of folks dis Savage. I have a .22 and an FCP McMillan in .308. Both are great rifles and don’t get the respect that they deserve. Great value!
And yes the Tikka TAC A1 is spectacular!
I built a Savage 110 quite a few years back. It was in .270 and I was into handloading at the time. I started at 4/5 maximum load and the shot groups were pretty erratic. I started going down on the powder loads and watched the groups get tighter every time till finally they were all going thru the same hole. I can't say enough about the 110 if you are on a budget. With 6 kids, I know I was.
6:40 I watch these few shots & wonder where that slick smooth bolt action is you are talking about.
for those who want a good mid tier option the bergara hmr pro in 6mm is fantastic. for around $1600USD this is a great choice and has an upgraded bolt over the b-14 which makes the action super smooth. The tika x3 is also a great choice for budget
Bergara crest, best of both worlds, Bergara’s are always shooters, but heavy. HMR is great, but heavy. The crest in my opinion is a good option. Around the same price.
Unfortunately, that was discontinued a while back. But I agree. If you can get your hands on one, it's an insanely good rig.
Christiansen is a good mid level as well.
@@samhouston5217 Not really. Christiansen puts out some of the absolute worst rifles in the industry. I've never seen a rifle shoot 4" groups at 50 yards until I saw a Christiansen do it. Their QC is horrific and so is their customer service.
My Mesa 338 Lapua is 1 MOA at 100yds so I'm happy with mine for sure. I can't speak to anything else other than my own experience on that. @@OhshitPositive
Wow I'm not Canadian but that last one you showed with the flag was awesome
Would you place the Springfield waypoint amongst these now that you've gotten to play with one for a bit?
The RUGER RPR has, like the TIKKA, a cold hammer forged barrel and will last longer than a cut rifled or button rifled barrel. Plus the RPR has 5R rifling which, with 5 lands and grooves, puts grooves opposite the lands and the lands and grooves are radiuses, thus the "R" in 5R. Barrels with 5R rifling have good gas seal resulting in a bit better velocity and little "beak-in" time. (BTW, I like my 6.5 CM RPR.)
B14 is the way to go since it’s a 700 clone you can set it up however you want. Perfect starting place
Used...love 'em. I got a Rem 700 Police in .308 with a Leupold 3.5x10 that I sold off for a nice chunk. Harris Bipod and a Pelican case for six bills.
Im lookin to get my first gun and I want to get into precision shooting. Ive been watching the Savage axis but I think im going for a Howa 1500 instead. I want it in 6.5 Creed. Ive been super torn for months now between .308 and 6.5 creed. Im goin with 6.5 creed for now but I will get a .308 later. But before I buy any rifle I am going to buy a 12 gauge shotgun. The versatility of a 12 gauge is unmatched and I believe whole heartedly itll be the best choice for a 1st gun
Howa 1500 is a great choice. Personally it's go with 308 as a first rifle because ammo is much cheaper. Get good with that and then pick up a 6.5.
Twelve gauge can do anything you want it do. Shotguns are my personal favorite. You'll start with one and end up owning twenty.
I'm currently in the process buying a bergara b14 hmr with a vortex venom 5-25, cadex muzzle break and a bipod for 1900$. Getting a great deal for this one from a previous owner.
Bergara BMP, best bang for the buck. Accuracy, quality, precision. If I didn’t end up purchasing the BMP I would have bought the Bergara B14 action with a KRG bravo stock.
I haven't shot my Bergara HMR a lot, but now that I got a good scope for it [Vortex Strike Eagle 5-25/56] for Christmas, there will be no stopping me [except for ammo prices, maybe]. One reason to prefer the Bergara is it's use of AICS magzines. I have several that I use in my Ruger Scout. It may not be a prime consideration in terms of accuracy or overall quality, but it's a consideration none the less.
@@michaelhill6451 Saying one brand is more accurate than another is simply not true, also if you're going to shoot in matches AICS mags are the way to go, they are relatively cheap,available, and several companies make them. Rifle companies that make proprietary mags in Precision rifles are just trying to screw you. If I toss one of my mags on a station and then crush it I'm not that upset LOL. Also posting group sizes is ridiculous, EVERY gun shoots a .3218756" group once in a while......
Sounds like you got a solid setup! Look at the KRG bravo if you ever want to upgrade the factory stock on the hmr. It’s a great bang for the buck!
Thanks for putting this together
I got a RPR in 338 Lapua about two years ago. Best rifle I have ever owned
Savage makes a 110 with a McMillan style stock that is around 1000-1100 depending on where you get it. I have one in 300 winchester magnum and I love it. Light enough to pack around and heavy enough that it doesn't beat the crap out of you with recoil.
I have an RPR Gen2 308 $800.00 new I topped it with a Riton 6-24×50Ri scope and it is very accurate and pleasant to shoot 👍
Had a remington 700p in a mdt tac 21 chassis for years and years. It was a super accurate bench gun. It was so heavy. Recently sold it in favor of weight in mind. Now have a savage trail hunter lite that i am testing in .308. Im sure it will provide years of sub moa accuracy at 8 pounds with the scope. That remington was probably 20 pounds.
Super smooth action as it don't open up @ 6:49 lol. The First Tikka action looked sweet though as well as the scope you had on it at the bench.
Every savage I’ve shot has been an absolute tac driver. Even my Axis Xp in 6.5 creedmoor groups at 6” @1000 yards with my hand loads.
That said, I’ve never had a savage that was exempt from the failure to extract issue, and therefore won’t likely buy another.
I have the savage 110 desert tactical in 6.5 PRC 1/2 in 5 shoot groups with factory Hornady 143gr ammo and even better with hand loads And I agree the best long range starter rifles made.
Very good video with nice information. Thank you for this!! Have you tried the Howa 1500?
I have two of the rifles you reviewed. A Savage Axis II Precision in 6.5 Creedmore and a Bergara B14 HMR in 308. The Bergara shoots as good as my five thousand dollar ground-up custom-built rifle. I get consistent 0.3-inch groups with Sierra Palma Match 155s and Barnes 130-grain TTSXs. It doe I did replace the trigger with a Trigger Tech because the factory trigger was a little creepy. The Savage shoots great, and the first load I came up with using 140-grain ELDMs shoots just about 0.7-inch groups. I found the trigger very nice and have no plans to change it out. I disagree with buying used rifles because you never know why they were sold. I know I personally sell any rifle I can't get to shoot to my standards with a reasonable effort. I know others do the same. It's always somewhat of a roll of the dice with a mass-produced off-the-shelf rifle as far as accuracy goes. Sometimes you get lucky sometimes you don't.
I run a howa 1500 heavy barrel in an XRS chass.. great barrelled action base for a build.. people who tell you howas don't shoot can't shoot themselves
lol! ive said my Howa couldn't shoot! ill be likely buying another one later on I the season
just a tip. You can always research what the rifle likes and than you dont have to spend a lot of money to try match ammo. You can short the list and save money
..thought the SAME thing. Ahead of the curve..
I picked up a Bergara wilderness HMR b14 for 850 American came with a 20 MOA Leupold rail with a vortec 6 x 18x 44 crossfire scope
I got a Savage 110 chambered in Creedmore 6.5. I added a front tripod/brace, a good day/night scope and a silencer/suppressor. Now if the SHTF I feel ready especially when they come at night. However, I have been totally unable to find any sub-sonic 6.5 Creedmore ammo - not even a place where I could custom order/prepay for any.
They mostly come at night.... Mostly.
Howa 1500 W/ quality ammo and damn good glass. Works for me
I would suggest looking at the Howa HCRA as an alternative as well.
Several years ago, I was tasked with building a sniper rifle for our Sheriff's Office. Limited budget so went with the Savage 110 and a Redfield scope. 308 caliber and it shot very good groups at 100 and 200 yards.
My .22 groups good 100 to 200 yards. Government wasting money yet again.
@@yoshisaidit725022 a lot less likely to penetrate soft cover.
@@stevebreedlove9760 556 is a 22
Nice range. Thanks!!
I just got a B14 HMR Wilderness in 6.5 CRD with a Sig Tango 4 6-24x50 on it. I was going between that, the X Bolt Max Long Range and the Tikka UPR and I felt like the HMR was the best value! I got it for $875!
where did you buy it??
@@JLPhoto246 I work at a gun shop in Florida!
@@brandonhonea4207 y’all have one in 6.5 prc for that price? The hmr that is? I’ll call and buy it asap
@@JLPhoto246 I think that we do, $875 was my employee discount haha! We sell them at like $999
Great stuff. Many thanks.
Watching the range performance of shooting the Bergara; the bolt action was anything BUT "smooth". Shooter actually had to fight with it to both eject AND chamber another round.
Noticed that too, lmao.
Tbf he was rushing it at first, but even going slow it seemed to hang up a bit.
😂 I own a bergara b-14 and the actions are butter. The issues is this guy has absolutely terrible form 😂. I actually laughed my entire way through his video personally. But to each their own. Putting a savage axis on this list was the first thing that got me dying. They are so inconsistent on build quality you don’t put them anywhere near precision. The bergara b-14 and the tikka t3x is where performance out of the box starts. Browning x bolts perform well with a $10 spring for the trigger to upgrade it. Bergara are a built up Remingtons 700 basically. They perform better out of the box but you can built 700’s to be honestly some if not the best rifles. Their is a reason they are a common sniper in the military with a couple parts thrown at them. Anything precision is going to have a heavy barrel on it. Light barrels are for hunting and mobility and low shot quantities. That’s why they suck after 3 shots. So much misinformation in this 😂. But he’s a Canadian so I wouldn’t expect much.
@@XxBigDAWG22xXBigDawg says it so it must be true! I love when people talk shit about someone that’s actually out creating content for people to watch and is literally on the video shooting every rifle that’s being discussed while the shit-talker is just repeating whatever their favorite fake-ass TactiCool TH-cam gun-guy said in their video about it. Having probably never fired anything more than whatever worn out bolt gun his cousin used to deer hunt with. You’re talking shit about the man’s form but we can’t see how your groups look. You mentioned him being Canadian as if it’s a disease. That just means he has to work five times harder to create gun content because of Canada’s insane Leftist firearms laws. It’s ignorant, xenophobic, nonsensical comments like that that contribute to the stereotype that gun guys are just stupid, hypermasculine idiots with a Napoleon complex. The same stereotype that’s currently being used to slowly but surely whittle away at our constitutional rights with the ultimate end-goal being an outright ban and confiscation of pretty much anything outside of a pump shotgun or a .22LR bolt gun. So, keep talking shit and making yourself sound more and more like the bully from high school that didn’t get enough attention at home. It’s super helpful and people definitely read it and think you’re really cool and tough. Moron.
I've got Begara b14 hmr and it's the smoothest action I've ever felt..tikka is close but not imo
@@rmac5530being a noobie at bolt action, if anyone should have a problem should be me, I’ve got a bergara HMR in 308 and seems buttery smooth, gonna get a more affordable 6.5 for fun comparison.
If you want a really smooth action you need to check out the Voere X4. Someone came up with the great idea to build ball bearings into the action.
I’ve always wanted a Tikka, and have had to own Savage 110’s because that’s my budget. The savage is a phenomenal rifle for the money. But after shooting a friends Bergara that will be the rifle I buy this year. Maybe Tikka will find it’s way into my safe someday.
You can get a T3X for about $800, it will shoot lights out even with a sportster barrel. Upgrade the barrel and stock when you have the $$$.
I just got the Bergara HMR Pro in 6.5 Creedmoor for $1075 tonight. A bunch of sites put it on sale for this price which really makes no sense because it is $725 below MSPR and only $125 above the regular HMR. Keep your eyes peeled for more great deals the closer we get to shot show and as companies clear inventory for new models being announced.
what websites did you find them on sale if you don't mind me asking?
the lowest price I have found was about $1300
@J Rideout It was from Family Firearms. They sold out within minutes of the sale going live. Keep an eye out though, there have been good deals on Tikkas and some Rugers the past couple of weeks too.
I have one with a left hand bolt. Super nice. Not the Pro though
I got the Bergara B14 HMR .300 PRC
My Savage 110BA in 338 LM was bought for $1900 at a time where the big name stores were charging $2100-$2400 .It was from the original pre-order that forced stores to buy at least 1unit of all 3 calibers it came in , nobody local to this small rural shop wanted to spend the cost of ammo for 338lm so this rifle was discounted to clear so their money wasn't tied up sitting on the wall for eternity The longer 26 " with the 1in 9 twist that only came in this caliber barrel makes this a tack hammer at conventional ranges and has been 1200m regularly using Kool aid filled water bottles . The brass clearing issue is easily remedied by any competent gunsmith for minimal charge and in my case only the Hornaday brass was sticky , the cheapo S&B and the Remington rounds that I tried had zero issues other than the S&B being kinda dirty and requiring a quick cleaning after every 10 or 15 rounds .
I owned a regular Savage 110 in .243 when it first was released. I very much regret selling it a few years later. I put a thumbhole stock that I customized on it with pillar bedding. I could shoot a group at 200 yards that would touch or fall into a quarter. Magnificent firearm. (sigh) A man does what he must in hard times. My plan was to shoot competitively. Sadly, I'm too damn old for that now.
I had a Savage 111 in 300 win mag. It was a tack driver. I sold it to a friend to finish paying for my CZ Shadow 2. Now I love my CZ but hindsight I think I would rather have my 300 win mag back.
I’m quickly finding my self in the same spot brother.
I agree. I bought a Savage Model 14 in .243 and it was amazing. I bought it for my son and he will take it to his grave. Even the stock seemed very high quality wood.
I shoot frequently but with AR10s and AR15s, lately often I’ve been thinking of getting a bolt gun. I use to hunt with a Sako so the Tikka is probably what I’d get. I never had a 6.5 so I guess I’d go with that. With a new rifle and new caliber plus reloading supplies and equipment I have a feeling this could get expensive fast.
Deep pockets for ammo if you are going to actually shoot it.
For Bergara b14 hmr, is it capable of prs match as a beginner?
Yes it is provided you find ammo that is capable at least of a 8-10 shot group that keeps within 1"
Bergara HMR in 6.5 PRC! Hard to beat the performance and function. Spend a couple hundred bucks on installing a better trigger, and you're off to the races!
I have the tac a1 with a leupold mark 5 pr2 mil reticle.atlas bipod along with other things on rifle.Sub half moa for sure!.
all of these are the shorter 308 style actions but what about 30 06 7mm rem mag 300 rem mag actions?
Looking for a tikka t3x ctr in .223 just for economy reasons, I like putting a lot of lead down range so the .223 is the option for me
Precisely why I went with 223 rem for my new T3X lite. No reason to spend over a buck fifty per shot if I’ve never tried long distance shooting before
I had 2 other bolt action rifles before I picked up my first Bergara B14 HMR. Hands down the best bolt action rifle I’ve ever shot, and for less than $1K. I can use it for precision long range shooting or hunting. It is a bit heavy, but I’m not an avid hunter that’s going to hike out miles with it. If I was an avid hunter, I’d lean towards the TIKA T3.
I have an older Savage 10 FCP-SR in 308 with a 24" barrel and threw a Viper HST on it. It's okay, but the bolt can get hung up sometimes... so it's nothing to write home about. Last month, I bought a Tikka T3X CTR in 308 with the smaller 20" barrel and slapped a KRG Bravo chassis, a YoDave trigger spring, and a Leupy Mark 5. This is the way.
This is the way.
I have a savage axis in 270 and i love it, super flat shooting for the price
I just bought a tikka ctr thanks to your other videos can you do the same type of video for optics
Yes sir! I have that in the works!
CTR shoots great, Try the Hornady 143Gr ELD-X in it ;) Had a Vortex Viper PSTII 25x on there for a while (low rings work), was a good starter. Upgraded to a NX8 32x and there is a noticeable difference in tracking, picture quality, and in field reliability . The Nightforce has yet to need re-zero after being dragged through the field and knocked around a bit. With the Viper it was a crapshoot to guess if it needed re-zero after a day or 2 of trekking around, out of 3 of them owned by my hunting buds this year 2 failed to hold zero before the season was half over and needed to go back for warrantee. Not sure if its the -26 temperatures doing it but that seemed to have a negative effect on how the tubes move inside the unit. With scopes you generally get what you pay for. General rule is you want to pay about as much or more for the optic than you did for the rifle itself to avoid it being your performance bottleneck.
I've learned to stick with the major manufacturers, there is a reason you don't see these "off brands" on any F-Class shooting lines. Buy once.. Cry once.
@@EpikArms As a suggestion, would you consider putting the optics in a freezer for half a day before adjusting them and testing how they perform? Basic test would be to see if the contraction from the cold impedes the movement of the tubes inside the scopes.
Thanks again for the great video!
Extremely informative and well-presented comparison. Honestly, I never even considered the Savage 110 Tactical until watching this video. I had been focusing in on the Bergara B14 HMR. Now I'm not sure if it's worth spending the extra $400-ish on the Bergara for rifle that will be used strictly at the range and probably not for competition. Or to put it differently, the Savage is 2/3's the price of the Bergara. The bolt throw angle difference has me considering scope clearance, preferring the 70-degree of the Savage. But the Bergara's stock features are far superior to the Savage's. Thoughts?
Have several long range precision rifles. My Savage 110 Elite Precision in 6.5 Creedmoor with my Vortex Razor is an unreal rifle. Sub MOA and 1000 yard monster
Thank you for your work on this. Helpful
Glad it was helpful!
I’ve had two extremely accurate rifles. One was a dead stock Remington 40XB-BR in 222 REM the othe was a real benchrest rifle assembled by a notable gunsmith on a Wichita 1375 in 22PPC. those two woul make single hole five shot groups. Other great rifles I had was a Rem 721 in 300 H&H that would make a group at 200 yards that could be covered with a quarter. Another notable gun was a stock FN Mauser made for Venezuelan 1954 PanAm games with open sights it would make MOA groups off a rest. That was the best finished and feeling military rifle I’d ever seen.
I have a savage 110 T in an MDT chassis, and I love it. Not as much as I love my Tikka TAC A1 chassis though….🤔🤔👍🏻👍🏻
Hey DemoDan, yeah the tac a1 is pretty tough to beat!
I have a .260 Rem Magpul with heavy barrel that was clearance brand new $899. It is a tack driver. Replaced x-mark pro trigger (which wasn't bad but couldn't get below 3#) with Timney. It is nicer than savage and better action. Only have taken it to 300 yds but it it is sub moa easily. My favorite gun I own with Vortex diamondback tactical scope. If I put better glass I'm sure it could ring steel to 1000 easily. Where I live we don't have much long range shooting ranges.
Awesome video man 😎; hope you’re doing well!!
hey its been a long while! thanks man, you going to make it out to shot show again?
@@EpikArms I hope to :), though probably not all week this time: maybe just Mon-Wed.
It would be very helpful to provide list of the various rifles and approx cost.
Thanks! This video helped my research.
Accurate Factory rifle I have ever owned is a 270 Winchester short mag Savage American classic 114 with the accutrigger at 200 yards the shots are right around one inch with my hand mode on a good day I can get it to about 3/4 of an inch. Leupold Boone and Crockett scope 4 by 16 by 56 mm Bell
Timma r3x ruger American and some of them savage arms rifles
Im so glad I bought my t3x tac 1 when I did. When I bought mine it was $1879. They are now $2250 but tbh, I would pay the $2250 for it if I didn’t own one
It's weird to me that nobody's taking the Browning X-Bolt in consideration. I got one with the GRS laminated stock and fluted medium/heavy 24 inches barrel. Shooting 100/105 grs 243. It's a half minute riffle at minimum...
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It's a great gun and so is the old standby 700
@ 6:20 you state caliber selection has less impact on accuracy than barrel cut (paraphrased) that isn't entirely correct and is very oversimplified. For example the 6.5 CM is significantly more accurate then the .308 Win (see the PRS Blog article on the topic for details and reference). Another cartridge/caliber that is inherently accurate is .223 Remington. Regarding barrel cut, it is obviously important, but blueprinting of the action is also key. I'll save the discussion about the button rifling vs cut rifling.
Hey Colling thanks for the feedback I'll have to read that article!
Bergara...Super smooth action and yet you show you fighting with it and smacking it
Thats a sweet collection you have...or had. Thanks for the video
Im happy you got that big ol thing shooting straight .
How accurate are the different barrels for the Barrett MRAD?